Or just maybe they get aroused by pre-teen children, just like their great inspiration Mohammed. (may his soul burn in hell)

Posted by: harlekein at October 18, 2008 7:14 PM

Experts warn that advances in encryption techniques are now outpacing the ability of police and the security services to crack them and monitor their use.

OK, you know England is screwed when jihadists out-tech them. The British actually used to be pretty good at intelligence. This is exactly why allowing in Hindu Indians (or Koreans, Japanese, many Latin Americans - more of them are doing tech support at HP these days) instead of Pakistani Muslims is a good idea. Not only would you not need to be investigating stuff like this, but you would always be way ahead of the game.

Posted by: jdamn at October 18, 2008 7:25 PM

Oh, so they get their little code messages and their "fix"?

That's just evidence that we shouldn't stop killing them until there's none left.

Posted by: Callidus at October 18, 2008 7:31 PM

Various studies have shown that the number of "hits" on pornographic websites from Islamic countries is vastly disproportionate to their population. And when it comes to sites featuring bestiality, the disproportion is even greater. There, nine of the top ten countries are Islamic.

Posted by: ebonystone at October 18, 2008 7:55 PM

One security services source said: “It’s surprising as terrorists are at the extreme end of Islamic beliefs where you’d expect them to be vehemently opposed to child pornography.

This guy needs to find another job. He clearly has no understanding of the criminal mind. People who believe drugs are for losers have no problem selling them. Why wouldn't Muslims, who have shown a unique ability to rationalize the most despicable acts, be capable of using dirty pictures to further their goal? They have no problem growing opium, regardless of what Islam says about drugs.
Raymond summed it up in the first sentence: the ends justify the means.

Posted by: PMK at October 18, 2008 8:41 PM

What it confirms is that each jihadi is a victim of child abuse -- sexual, physical, emotional, cognitive etc. It is how death cults operate, the submission cult is not unique (there have been uncovered so-called satanic cults in north america) although the strongest by far.

Posted by: kuchuklambat at October 18, 2008 9:18 PM

kuchuklambat

I think you're probably right - especially since I read the article at the link given by 'jewcat' ( in the first thread that dealt with this topic - jihadis as users of hardcore child porn)

http://primal-page.com/terrorld.htm

which described the all-pervasiveness of extreme intrafamilial cruelty and abuse of every kind, throughout the Islamosphere,

Phyllis Chesler, Wafa Sultan and Nonie Darwish have all touched on the subject, one way and another, as well: has Sultan's "When God is a Monster" been published yet?

John Roy Carlson, in 'From Cairo To Damascus' has quite a lot of incidental reference to the normality of violence - including violence against children and animals - in the Muslim societies which he observed.

After WWI the Australian Light Horsemen, who could not bring their horses back to Australia because of concerns about possibly importing diseases, chose to shoot them all rather than let them fall into the hands of the Arab Muslims whose horrifying cruelty to animals [and to humans!] the Australians had had plenty of opportunity to witness. (Sadly it doesn't seem to have occurred to the Aussies to give their beloved war-horses to the Jews in 'Palestine'...who would doubtless have treated them kindly and well, though putting them to work). There's a heartrending song about that decision, 'It's As If He Knows'.

Anyway, back to the topic of children, and the effects of abuse: I haven't read widely in the psychological literature, but I do remember coming across an article, once (can't give the reference, I'm afraid, it was a long time ago and I didn't make a note) arguing that very early and severe ritualised sexual abuse, inflicted on young children, is strongly correlated with what is called 'multiple personality disorder'; the person does not have, or can't develop, a stable 'centre'. Instead, they are fragmented, or split, into two or more distinct 'personalities' (this being, originally, a kind of protective mechanism - the abuse is endured by personality B, while personality A retreats and 'hides' [figuratively speaking]) - and each of those may be, or appear to be, quite unaware of what is done by the other/s.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 18, 2008 10:07 PM

I remember reading, some years ago, a book called "Voices of Morocco" or some such. While I cannot remember the title exactly, I do remember a scene the (Western) narrator witnesses, of a frothing Muslim beating and beating his overloaded and exhausted donkey, all to screams and curses and invocations of his little god Allah. Passersby, all Muslims, swan past as if it were not occurring.

I do believe the narrator, though entranced by the colors and smells and the "most beautiful sound" of the howled azhan, decided not to go native at that moment.

Islam teaches that anything not a violent Muslim male is an object to be used, broken, discarded, and replaced by another (preferably stolen). All women, all children, and animals all qualify. Whether infidel males are in this set depends, well, on them.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at October 18, 2008 11:21 PM

It seems that the most unlikely of scenarios to credit or even imagine is that any human being could be a member of al-Qaeda (or similar organizations) and be a normal, loving, caring, stable individual. Membership in any Islamic radical organization must, by that very fact, be evidence that the person is a deeply screwed up human being. I know this will strike many as self-evident but I wanted to write this out nonetheless to make clear to myself and others in a few words that it is impossible to be a three-dimensional and complete person and an Islamic radical. The two are mutually exclusive. All Islamic radicals are deficient humans. And yet all draw their inspiration from Mohammed, the Koran, the Hadith, Sharia and Islamic custom. Nothing seems beneath these people, whether it be murder, oppression of others, massive intolerance, exploitation of children, etc. Sick. Sad. Makes me think that the only course of action is to destroy Islam, lest it corrupt all of mankind eventually. In short, how can a sane and sensible person not look upon Islam as profoundly disturbing since it spawns so many malevolent human beings?

Posted by: Wellington at October 18, 2008 11:43 PM

This is nothing new. transmitting messages through jokes, or sexual oriented stuff was already done way before sept 11.

Radical islamists have been fooling the FBI for a long time and just wait until Obama gets elected and put some of his Muslim friends in office..... let the fun start..

Posted by: Tartine at October 19, 2008 12:30 AM

From my own understanding and observations, and those of many people I know, sexual abuse of children in Islamic societies is endemic. The level of child sexual abuse in Islamic religious schools and in some organisations associated with the mosque, would make the incidence of such abuse as reported in the Catholic church seem like a children's tea-party.

Yet the reporting of Islamic sexual predation of children in the mainstream media appears almost non-existent.

My wife (as a minority Christian in Indonesia) suffers to this day as a result of a brutal sexual assault when she was 8 by a Muslim neighbour. She dared not reveal what had happened to her family - in the knowledge that the neighbour had threatened retribution from the surrounding Muslim community. She knew implicitly that even as an 8-year-old girl, the blame and punishment would fall upon her alone.

She knows and I know from our own experiences, that sexual predation of children is rife in Islam - and is not just confined to countries where Islam is the prevailing culture. Here in Australia, a close family friend (a Muslim) is in the process of removing her two daughters from a state-sponsored Islamic college as a result of suspected sexual abuse.

It is also worth noting that this same 'college' has been teaching fundamentalist Islam as a priority over other educational curriculi. Go figure.

Posted by: The Pundit at October 19, 2008 1:06 AM

Remember Mohammed Bouyeri, the Muslim who murdered Theo Van Gogh in Holland?

From a Frontpage article dated July 28, 2005:

In a shocking set of revelations, the Netherlands’ daily, De Telegraaf, has reported that Mohammed Bouyeri and his associates in the Hofstadgroep used radical Islamism to hide the fact that their group was actually a “sexual cult.” In a report titled “Preaching and Porno,” the paper went on to recount the story of the Islamist “lover boys” who clothed their lurid sexual preferences in the garb of religious extremism.

The group was inclined to a vast array of depraved activities, not the least disturbing of which was the sexual abuse of young women. The group also reportedly had a penchant for marrying young women, most of whom were native Dutch and had converted to Islam. Bouyeri and his co-religionists would use them as “porn princesses,” before abandoning them after two weeks.

...

And then there was Mohammed Bouyeri. Of Bouyeri, the Telegraaf writes that he “has a sickening sexual interest. Together with his ‘brothers’, he enjoyed CD-ROMs where one can see how to amputate male genitals. On his laptop he also had illegal images of a man having sex with a dead woman.” According to the paper, “Mohammed B. was aroused by gruesome amputations and sex with a dead woman.”

The revelations offer a striking contrast to the man who claimed to have renounced the culture of Dutch society for the purity of the Islamic faith. Even as he indulged his most gruesome fantasies in secret, Bouyeri put on a show of strict religious asceticism, abstaining from alcohol and refusing to take part in activities involving both men and women.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=7F4F2137-CC91-4D65-8B18-A8DC34FDC74D

Posted by: DenverRodeo at October 19, 2008 2:55 AM

I have a friend from Thailand who has told me countless times of the horrors brought down on his family and relatives by the peace loving muslims that lived near where he lived. It was NOT unusual or out of the ordinary for the muslims to target the women and children. The YOUNGER, the better as far as these scums of humanity were concerned. My friend watched from hiding as many of his family were killed on the spot or subjected to rape and torture. He was very fortunate to have escaped to the United States many years ago and was also able to get much of his family out of Thailand, to the States.

When you have a culture that is based on the Quran, sharia law, the hadith, murder and mayhem go hand in hand as this is what these people are taught from a very early age. One has only to look to the palestinians or Saudi Arabia to see what is taught to their kids in "school."; Jews, Christains and all other infidels are to killed as most of us WILL NOT convert to this cult still stuck in the 7th century. My friend from Thailand avoids any muslims as much as possible and will not work next to them(poor hygiene is rampant),
or have ANYTHING to do with muslims. Who can blame him after what he witnessed and had to live through. They do not need to a majority in any given area to cause major problems, break our laws, then claim discrimination or worse.
There is no negotiating or living with islam! It needs to be destroyed and stopped, by whatever means will do the job.

Posted by: PatriotUSA at October 19, 2008 3:07 AM

>>>

After WWI the Australian Light Horsemen, who could not bring their horses back to Australia because of concerns about possibly importing diseases, chose to shoot them all rather than let them fall into the hands of the Arab Muslims whose horrifying cruelty to animals [and to humans!] the Australians had had plenty of opportunity to witness. (Sadly it doesn't seem to have occurred to the Aussies to give their beloved war-horses to the Jews in 'Palestine'...who would doubtless have treated them kindly and well, though putting them to work). There's a heartrending song about that decision, 'It's As If He Knows'

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy

>>

Dumbledoresarmy,, you have touched on another of the reasons,, we have to DEFEAT the medieval barbarians.

If our advanced WESTERN civilization falls to this evil ideology,, all the other 300 million species on this planet, will one by one be destroyed.

The muslims will overbreed this small planet's resources, then they will consume species after species. There will be extinctions happening on a global scale, until all that is left are these maniacs.

The human species will never attain the stars and other galazies. It will devolve into the barbarity of 7th century arabia,, forever.

Your post made me search out the words to that song,, and reading them, made my resolve even HARDER and SHARPER,, than ever before,,

here are the words,, to "As If He Knows",,

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AS IF HE KNOWS
Eric Bogle

It's as if he knows
He's standing close to me
His breath warm on my sleeve
His head hung low
It's as if he knows
What the dawn will bring
The end of everything
For my old Banjo
And all along the picket lines beneath the desert sky
The light horsemen move amongst their mates to say one last goodbye
And the horses stand so quietly
Row on silent row
It's as if they know

Time after time
We rode through shot and shell
We rode in and out of Hell
On their strong backs
Time after time
They brought us safely through
By their swift sure hooves
And their brave hearts
Tomorrow we will form up ranks and march down to the quay
And sail back to our loved ones in that dear land across the sea
While our loyal and true companions
Who asked so little and gave so much
Will lie dead in the dust

For the orders came
No horses to return
We were to abandon them
To be slaves
After all we'd shared
And all that we'd been through
A nation's gratitude
Was a dusty grave
For we can't leave them to the people here, we'd rather see them dead
So each man will take his best mate's horse with a bullet through the head
For the people here are like their land
Wild and cruel and hard
So Banjo, here's your reward

It's as if he knows
He's standing close to me
His breath warm upon my sleeve
His head hung low
It's as if he knows.

these are Eric's notes from the cd Colur of Dreams:

During WWI, Australia shipped about 53,000 horses overseas to serve in the various theatres of that war. Of that number, only one returned to Australia at the end of the war, and it was, of course, a General's favourite mount. The rest, or at least the survivors of that original 53,000, were not allowed to return home mainly because of quarantine restrictions, it was feared they could spread anthreax and similar diseases throughout Australia's cattle industry. So the ANZACS were ordered to get rid of what horses they had left. In the European theatre of war many of the horses were sold or given to French and Belgian farmers and peasants and such like. But in Palestine the Light Horsemen refused to either give or sell their horses to the local Arab population, as they thought that the Arabs in general treated their animals with dreadful cruelty. Mind you, I can't think of anything more cruel than subjecting innocent horses to the horrors of modern warfare, but i guess those were the prevailing attitudes of the times. So, rather than leave their horses to a lifetime of slavery, as they saw it, the Light Horsemen shot them. Each man shot his best mate's horse, and that was that. I wrote this song after reading an Anzac Day newspaper artivle about an old veteran Light Horsemen called Elijah Conn, who was talking about his horse, Banjo, and how his best mate shot Banjo just before they marched off to the ship that was waiting to take them home to Australia. Even after 70 years, Elijah's eyes filled with tears when talking about it. This song is for Elijah and Banjo. Sorry to take up so much of your time with this little story, but it's one that deserves to be heard I think.

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Respect, Love and Light

solsticewitch13
"goddess help us"

with tears in her eyes

Posted by: solsticewitch13 at October 19, 2008 9:55 AM

In short, how can a sane and sensible person not look upon Islam as profoundly disturbing since it spawns so many malevolent human beings?

Posted by: Wellington

The person who doesn't fear Islam will point, as Colin Powell did this morning, to the Muslim who died for his country after it was attacked on 9/11.
He will point to the Democratic candidate for president. How can someone who spent several years attending Muslim madrassas come out okay if Islam is that evil?
There is no winning this argument. Those who manage to navigate between Islam and modernity without turning to jihad are exceptions. The exceptions prove the rule but the person who believes Islam is something to be admired will insist that the exceptions ARE the rule.

Posted by: PMK at October 19, 2008 10:42 AM

I guess I am still banned, and I will not post with a psedu.

Posted by: have_mercy at October 19, 2008 2:54 PM

What.... You let me post!

Posted by: have_mercy at October 19, 2008 2:55 PM

As much as I read and respect your articals, the Sun newspaper commanly known as 'The Scum' most people would only believe the football results.

Posted by: foxyman at October 19, 2008 8:10 PM

Some words of advice for Britannica...

"CATCH UP, catch up...
...
don't get left behind, get left behind, get left behind, get left behi-i-i-ind!"

Or you screwed.

PS:$5 and bragging rights (Actually, no, just bragging rights) to the person who can name to quoted song and the anti-dhimmi songwriters. I nominate him/her for Anti-Dhimmi '08!

Non te bastardes carborundum.

Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at October 19, 2008 8:23 PM

Is ANYONE surprised???

No? Okay.

No te bastardes carborundum.

Posted by: LucyintheSkywithCubicZircons at October 19, 2008 8:26 PM

What can we expect of men from the desert that seriously has nothing in their brains other than having sex with under aged girls.

Nothing new under the sun.

Posted by: SwedishWiking at October 20, 2008 2:55 AM

solsticewitch -

what really got me was Bogle's own repeated attempts, in the interview where he was talking about the song, to imply that the Aussie Light Horsemen were 'prejudiced' in their assessment of what the Arab Muslims would do to their horses if they got their claws on them.

Look at what he says:
"the Light Horsemen refused to either give or sell their horses to the local Arab population, AS THEY THOUGHT that the Arabs in general treated their animals with dreadful cruelty."

- see that? Not 'THEY KNEW' but 'THEY THOUGHT'. Bogle is hinting broadly that the Aussie perception of Arab Muslim behaviour was..wrong, false.

"Mind you, I can't think of anything more cruel than subjecting innocent horses to the horrors of modern warfare"

- Note the moral equivalence and tu quoque - Bogle is implying that anything Arab Muslims did do to their horses, donkeys, etc, could surely be no worse than the Aussies' taking them to war.

"but I guess *those [that is: the proposition that 'Arab Muslims are horrifically cruel to animals'] were the *prevailing attitudes of the times*

- See? - again, Bogle is arguing that the Australian Lighthorsemen acted out of prejudice, out of a false belief about Arab Muslims, rather than because of their four-year-long on-the-ground observations of hard cold FACTS. He's attributing their decision - to kill their horses rather than leave them to Arab Muslims - to 'attitudes' (which, he's implying, were incorrect).

He just. won't. trust. the soldiers' own judgement and capacity for observation of fact; even when he has the evidence right in front of him - the fact that these men who *loved* their horses, actually went so far as to shoot them dead rather than abandon them to rot in the living hell of Muslim cruelty.

"So, rather than leave their horses to a lifetime of slavery, *as they saw it* "

- see that? - "as they saw it" - again, he's hinting that the Aussies got it wrong, they couldn't possibly have seen anything to make them think this, they must have misinterpreted whatever they did see, they were stupid and prejudiced and acting on a totally false perception of how Arab Muslims would treat the horses, as opposed to how, for example, French peasants would treat the horses

"the Light Horsemen shot them. "

I find it just totally weird.

The song itself is great, very powerful; but it's clear from his little spiel that Bogle thinks he knows more about how Arab Muslims normally treat animals, such as horses and donkeys, than the Australian soldiers who had spent four years in the Middle East, quite a bit of it not on the battlefield but doing training and kicking their heels in places like Egypt where they had plenty of opportunity to observe the normal behaviour of the locals toward animals as well as toward vulnerable humans.

He seems to think that the Aussies' view of what Arab Muslims would do to their horses, was totally false, a tragic delusion leading them to kill the beasts unnecessarily.

One corrective to that, is to be found in Ion L Idriess's "The Desert Column" where one will discover, for example, descriptions of what the Arab Beduin Muslims routinely did to wounded soldiers, whether they were Turkish Muslims or English and Australian non-Muslims. They would slit the helpless man's throat, or strangle him with wire, and rob him of everything. They also robbed the bodies of dead soldiers - even digging up those who had been buried. The Aussie soldiers , seeing this kind of behaviour over and over, called them "the ghouls of the battlefield", and totally despised them, for good reason!

The other corrective is jewcat's link that I referenced.

And every pre-PC-age traveller's tale from the Islamosphere that I have ever read, remarks upon the persistent, extreme cruelty to animals that pervaded daily life.

Bogle gives those long ago Aussie soldiers no credit whatever for commonsense - for believing the evidence of their own eyes and then, horrified by everything they had seen, acting accordingly.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at October 20, 2008 8:28 PM