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The learned European essayist Fjordman here reviews Ali Sina's Understanding Muhammad. Since Fjordman has been accused of being a white supremacist and a neofascist, some people have also accused me of being a white supremacist and neofascist, because I publish his fine essays on jihad and the Islamization of Europe. So I thought I would take this opportunity to say that while white supremacism and neofascism are wrong and should everywhere be opposed, I do not believe Fjordman is a white supremacist or a neofascist. What many have taken as "white supremacism" is his interest in trying to stem the tide of immigration into Europe, which threatens to make Europeans into minorities in their own countries, and -- because the immigrants are overwhelmingly Muslim -- to create a series of Sharia states across Europe. In 2006, well before he began to be accused of race supremacism, Fjordman wrote this:
We shouldn’t idealize mass-immigration too much. When one group of people move into a territory where another group of people already live, this has usually throughout human history ended in war. Either the newcomers will be expelled, or they will subdue or wipe out the previous inhabitants, or the groups will divide the country between them.I see little reason to expect any different result where the indigenous population happens to be white. [...]
I do not see why I should have to choose between White Supremacy and White Worthlessness. It is one thing to reject the idea that your culture should be forced onto others, it is quite another thing to say that you shouldn’t be allowed to retain your culture even in your own country. The latter is simply a matter of self-preservation, the most basic instinct of all living things down to bacteria level.
I have a right to preserve my culture, too, even though I have blue eyes, and cannot see anything “racist” in not wanting my children to become a persecuted minority in their own country through mass immigration. That you are denounced as a White Supremacist for just stating the obvious shows how deeply entrenched and internalized this anti-white bias has become.
More recently (two weeks ago), the genuinely neofascist VNN Forum (an evil site to which I will provide no link) criticized one of Fjordman's articles about Europe for not blaming Jews for the problem. VNN Forum writers called Fjordman "a neocon jew-ass-kisser who is either oblivious of the fact that jews are responsible for what is happening or is aware but doesn't have the guts to name the jew." They also pointed out that "the Brussels Journal is never critical towards the Jew" and went on to complain that "multiculturalism stops when the Jew is down and out. Those Islamophobic 'nationalist' parties accomplish nothing....I would rather see anti-synagogue marches over anti-mosque ones. The mosques become a non-issue if you defeat the wretched sheeny."
I would rather stand with Israel, and Fjordman, than with those racist neofascists.
So without further ado, here is his review of Ali Sina's book:
If I make a shortlist of people who have significantly influenced my views on Islam, the Iranian ex-Muslim writing under the pseudonym Ali Sina has to be one of them. Now based in North America, he has founded the website Faith Freedom International (FFI), www.faithfreedom.org, to inform non-Muslims about the violent nature of Islam and help Muslims leave Islam. Sina has published the book Understanding Muhammad on the psychological nature of Islam's founder as he appears from Islamic sources.The book Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out from 2003, edited by Ibn Warraq, contains the personal stories of several former Muslims, among them Ali Sina. Ibn Warraq is the author of several books, among them the modern classic Why I Am Not a Muslim and his most recent Defending the West. I will start with a few quotes from Sina's testimony in Leaving Islam and continue with quotes from his own book. I will provide page references to make it easier for others to quote and use the material.
In Leaving Islam, Ali Sina describes how, growing up in Iran, he had illusions of a "real Islam" which was good and tolerant. He advocated the real Islam as he thought it should be and criticized the mullahs and their deviations from the "true" teachings of Islam. Page 138:
"I idealized an Islam conforming to my own humanistic values. Of course, my imaginary Islam was a beautiful religion. It was a religion of equality and of peace. It was a religion that encouraged its followers to go after knowledge and be inquisitive. It was a religion that was in harmony with science and reason. I thought science got its inspiration from this religion. The Islam that I believed in sowed the seeds of modern science, which eventually bore its fruits in the West and made modern discoveries and inventions possible. Islam, I used to believe, was the real cause of the modern civilization. The reason the Muslims were living in such miserable state of ignorance in comparison to the un-Islamic West was all the fault of the self-centered mullahs and the religious leaders who, for their own personal gain and dominance, had misinterpreted the real teachings of Islam. Muslims honestly believe that the great Western civilization has its roots in Islam. They recall great Middle Eastern scientific minds whose contributions to science have been crucial in the birth of Modern science."
He mentions some of these scholars, like the mathematician and astronomer Omar Khayyam, the physician and alchemist Rhazes (al-Razi) and the physician and philosopher Avicenna (Ibn Sina), all of them worthy of respect. I should mention that they were all Persians, not Arabs, and that Rhazes in particular didn't believe a word of Islamic teachings. He was a good scholar, but he wasn't a good Muslim.
Sina tells about his education abroad. His father didn't want him to go to an immoral Western country. Page 139:
"Pakistan, being an Islamic country, was safe. People were religious and therefore moral. This, of course, proved to be untrue. I found people there to be as immoral and corrupt as Iranians. Yes, they were very religious. Yes, they did not eat pork and I saw no one consuming alcohol in public, but I noticed they had dirty minds, they lied, they were hypocrites, and they were cruel to the women and, above all, filled with hated for the Indians. I did not find them better than Iranians in any way. They were religious, but not moral."
However, he was appalled by the general disdain Pakistanis had for non-Muslims:
"I learned about the reasons for the partition (of India) and for the first time about Muhammad Ali Jinnah. He was presented as a very intelligent man, the father of the nation, while Gandhi was spoken of in a derogatory way. Even then I could not but side with Gandhi and condemn Jinnah as an arrogant and ambitious man who was responsible for breaking up a mighty nation and causing millions of deaths. I did not see difference of religion enough reason to break up a country. The very word Pakistan seemed to be an insult to the Indians. They called themselves pak, or 'clean' to distinguish themselves from the Indians, who were najis ('unclean'). The irony is that I never saw a people dirtier than the Pakistanis, both physically and mentally. It was disappointing to see another Islamic nation in such intellectual and moral bankruptcy."
Personally, I have a slightly more critical view of Gandhi, whom I believe was extremely naïve. His non-violent methods might leave an impression on a civilized nation such as Britain but clearly wouldn't have had any impact on a Genghis Khan, nor did they have any value against Muslims. I have noticed that where Westerners have "Islamophobia," Indians have "communalism." That's what it's called when non-Muslims talk about one thousand years of Jihad, a war which continues to this day. Non-Muslim communities have been virtually decimated in Pakistan and are in serious decline in Bangladesh, yet the Muslim population in the Republic of India has actually grown since the partition, not just in actual numbers but as a percentage of the overall population. Whereas the few remaining non-Muslim communities in Pakistan face brutal discrimination, Muslims in India enjoy special rights, including limited use of sharia law. They have more political freedom and a higher average income than Muslims in neighboring countries, but they still attack non-Muslims.
Later, after his experiences in Iran and Pakistan, Ali Sina discovered that Western infidels were not as dirty and immoral as he had been told. Pages 139-140 of Leaving Islam:"I decided to go to Italy for my university studies. I concluded that there was nothing I could learn in an atmosphere filled with bigotry and stupidity. In Italy people drank wine and ate pork. But I found they were more hospitable, more friendly, and less hypocritical. I noticed people were willing to help without expecting something in return. I met an elderly couple who were very hospitable to me. They called me on Sundays to have dinner with them and not stay home alone. They did not want anything from me, they just wanted to have someone to give their love. I was almost a son to them. Only those who have come to a new country, who do not know anyone and cannot speak even the language, can appreciate how much the help and the hospitality of a local is worth. Their house was sparkling clean and the floor was marble and always shiny. This was quite in contrast with my idea of Westerners. Although my family was very open toward other people, my religion had taught me that the non-Muslims are najis (IX.28) and one should not take them as friends."
In Understanding Muhammad, Sina tries to show how the religion of Islam has been shaped to this day by the psychological of its founder, and why Islam can appropriately by labeled "Mohammedanism." For Muslims, all actions of Muhammad constitute law. Page 166:
"He was entitled to marry or have sex out of marriage with as many women as he wished. He could raid civilians, kill unarmed men, loot their properties and take their women and children as slaves and even rape them. He could assassinate his critics and torture them to make them reveal where they hid their treasures. He could have sex with children. He could lie and deceive his opponents. He could massacre his prisoners of war coldbloodedly. None of that bothers his followers. At first they deny all of the above charges vehemently, accusing you of maligning their prophet, but once the evidence is presented, they suddenly change tactics and defend him, justifying the very evil deeds they had outrageously denied. For Muslims, Muhammad's actions are not measured by what we humans know as right and wrong. Rather he is the standard, the measure of right and wrong. As the result, if a crime was committed by Muhammad, that crime becomes a holy deed and is emulated by his followers unquestioningly. Muslims are capable of committing the most atrocious acts of indecency and savagery with a clear conscience, because it is sunnah (performed by Muhammad)."
Islam became a ruthless and violent creed because of the ruthlessness and violence of its founder and his followers. The concepts of what others would consider good and evil do not exist in Islam. Instead, we have the concepts halal and haraam, permitted and forbidden, categories which very often do not correspond to what non-Muslims would consider to be moral or immoral. For instance, drinking a glass of wine is bad, but killing somebody because they say something critical of Muhammad is good. Sina again, page 167:
"In Islam, the ends always justify the means. For example, killing is wrong, but if it is done to promote Islam, it is good. Suicide is prohibited, but suicide bombing that will cause the death of non-Muslims is a holy act. Stealing from fellow Muslims is prohibited and the thief's hand will be chopped off, but looting non-believers was practiced by Muhammad. So stealing from non-Muslims is considered acceptable by Muslims. Sexual intercourse out of marriage is taboo, but rape of unbelieving women is okay. The goal, which is the establishment of the reign of Allah on Earth, is regarded to be so lofty that everything else becomes secondary. In the history of Islam, we read that people murdered their own fathers or waged war against them. Such actions are praised as the sign of faith and devotion of the believer. Lying in Islam is prohibited, except when it is done to deceive non-Muslims and advance the interests of Islam."
Even Islamic sources reveal the brutality of Muhammad's behavior. The esteemed biographer Ibn Ishaq narrates in Sirat Rasul Allah p. 515 the conquest of Khaibar. Sina explains, page 38:
"He reports that Muhammad, without warning, attacked this fortress town, inhabited by Jews and killed many unarmed people as they were fleeing. Among those captured was Kinana. Ibn Ishaq states: 'Kinana al-Rabi, who had the custody of the treasure of Banu Nadir, was brought to the apostle who asked him about it. He denied that he knew where it was. A Jew came (Tabari says 'was brought') to the apostle and said that he had seen Kinana going to a certain ruin every morning early. When the apostle said to Kinana, 'Do you know that if we find you have it (the treasure) I shall kill you?' He said, 'Yes.' The apostle gave orders that the ruin was to be excavated and some of the treasure was found. When he asked him about the rest (of the treasure) he refused to produce it, so the apostle gave orders to al-Zubayr Al-Awwam, 'Torture him until you extract what he has.' So he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead. Then the apostle delivered him to Muhammad b. Maslama and he struck off his head, in revenge for his brother Mahmud.'"
As Ali Sina states: "On the same day that Muhammad tortured to death the youthful Kinana, he took his seventeen year old wife Safiya to a tent for sexual intercourse. Two years earlier, the Prophet had beheaded Safiya's father along with all the males (except those who had not yet begun pubescence) of the Jewish tribe Bani Quraiza."
This kind of behavior is unparalleled among the founders of any major religion on Earth. The Buddha or Jesus certainly never did anything comparable to this. Why were Muhammad and his followers so ruthless? Was it in response to persecution? No, says Sina. After thirteen years of preaching, Muhammad still had no more than seventy or eighty followers. Page 17-18:
"Muhammad's call in Mecca was received with indifference. The Meccans, like most non-Muslims of today, were tolerant of all religions. Religious persecution in those lands was unheard of. Polytheistic societies are generally tolerant by nature. They were offended when Muhammad insulted their gods. Despite that, they did not harm him. Muhammad encouraged his followers to leave Mecca. Naturally the Meccans did not like that idea. The Muslim families were upset, as were the masters of slaves who had converted to Islam. Some of the slaves were caught while trying to escape and were beaten. That was not, of course, religious persecution. The Meccans were simply trying to protect what they considered to be their property. For example, when Bilal was caught, his master, Umaiyah, beat him and put him in chains. Abu Bakr paid his price and he was set free. He was being punished for trying to escape, causing a financial loss to his owner and not for his beliefs."
Sina mentions a few other incidents claimed by Muslims to represent "persecution," but in his view, "These stories can hardly be classified as religious persecution. In the Middle East individualism is an alien concept. Women in particular cannot make their own decisions. Even today, Muslim women can be honor-killed if they decide to marry a man of their choice without the consent of their families."
The truth is that Muslims were unsuccessful in attracting many converts in Mecca, yet they were allowed to stay there and preach for more than a decade. They did not attract many followers until after the move to Medina when they started looting caravans, which tells us plenty about the real motivations of Muhammad's followers. Page 19:
"There is no evidence of any persecution against Muhammad and Muslims in Mecca. Nonetheless, Muslims make such claims because Muhammad has made that claim. Muslims will not doubt anything Muhammad has said. Astonishingly, even some non-Muslim historians who are not sympathetic to Islam have fallen into that trap and have echoed this untruth. Muhammad claimed victimhood, when in reality he was the victimizer. Muslims do the same. Everywhere it is Muslims who are killing, oppressing and persecuting, and yet they are the ones who cry loudest claiming to be victims and oppressed."
In the Medina period, Muslims became much more violent and arrogant and launched a series of assassinations to cast terror in the hearts of their opponents. As the Koran says (8,12): "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." Several individuals who had done nothing wrong other than mocking Muhammad's teachings verbally were killed. Understanding Muhammad, page 43-44:
"He wanted to send the message that any opposition or criticism of him could mean death. That is exactly the same modus operandi Muslims employ today, where the threat often only need be implied. They follow the model and example set by their prophet, who they regard as their greatest strategist. They want to create a boundary of fear so they may establish their supremacy through terror. There is no doubt in the mind of the Muslim terrorists that this strategy works. To them, the Qur'anic injunction of 'casting terror in the heart of the unbelievers' seems a sure way to victory. It worked for Muhammad. He bragged, 'I have been made victorious with terror.' It worked in Spain when the terrorists killed two hundred people by blowing up commuter trains on March 11, 2004, and in response, the Spaniards voted a socialist for government who immediately adopted a policy of appeasement vis-à-vis the Muslims. Because of the successful precedents set by Muhammad and his ideological heirs, terrorists conclude that a terror strategy will work everywhere and every time. They will not stop unless the world falls or they are proven wrong by facing a much greater force."
As Sina points out, this strategy of harassing or murdering opponents and critics has been a feature of Islam from its inception. This line of thinking is very much alive today since it's encoded into the personal example of Muhammad, his sunna. Page 196-197:
"If you live in an Islamic country, you could be put to death for criticizing Islam, Muhammad or his companions. If you live in a non-Muslim country, you could be assassinated even if you are not a Muslim. Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh learned that lesson too late when he rolled in his own blood after he was shot and stabbed by a Muslim for assisting the Muslim dissident Ayaan Hirsi Ali in making a movie on women in Islam. In July 1991 Ettore Caprioli, the Italian translator of The Satanic Verses, was grievously injured, and Hitoshi Igarishi – professor of literature and an admirer of Islamic civilization, who had translated the book into Japanese – was assassinated in Tokyo. William Nygaard, the Norwegian translator, was later knifed. The idea is to instill so much terror that no one dares to speak against Islam."
I have to correct an error here. The principle of killing "blasphemers" who criticize Islam is indeed still valid. The Japanese translator Hitoshi Igarashi was killed in 1991, following the death sentence against author Salman Rushdie by the Iranian Islamic leader the Ayatollah Khomeini from 1989. The Italian translator Ettore Capriolo was attacked the same year, but survived. However, William Nygaard was the publisher of the Norwegian edition of The Satanic Verses, not the translator, and he wasn't knifed, he was shot several times outside his home in Oslo. Fortunately, he survived and recovered and has continued working in the publishing business after the incident. This is just a minor factual mistake, but it is an unnecessary one which takes only a couple of seconds to check and correct on the Internet.
What's most important to notice about these assassinations or attempted assassinations is that Muslims made up a very small percentage of the population in both Italy and Norway, not to mention in Japan, at the time, but even a tiny Muslim minority can be enough to kill freedom of speech, literally and metaphorically. Muslims cannot tolerate any criticism of their doctrines, a trait they have inherited from their Prophet. Ali Sina again, page 250:
"Megalomania, bullishness, the sense of entitlement and all other narcissistic traits of Muhammad are present in each and every Muslim, to the extent that they emulate their prophet. From king to pauper, from president to janitor, Muslims consider themselves to be superior to the rest of humanity. They are convinced that one day Islam will dominate, mankind will submit to them, and they will be the masters of the world. This feeling of self importance was expressed eloquently by Dr. Mahatir, the outgoing Prime Minister of Malaysia during an OIC (Organization of Islamic Conference) summit in 2003. He acknowledged that the early Muslims built their 'civilization' by studying the works of the Greeks and other scholars before Islam and then boastfully added that the 'Europeans had to kneel at the feet of Muslim scholars in order to access their own scholastic heritage.' In his speech he invited the Muslims to amass 'guns and rockets, bombs and warplanes, tanks and warships' to subdue that non-Muslim detractors and again rule over them."
Mr. Mahatir also called for a "final victory" over the Jews, who conspire to keep Muslims divided and humiliated.
If Islam is so bad, why has it survived for so long? One of the reasons is that it provides a religious excuse for conquest and looting. Another is that it can be a useful tool for authoritarian rulers who want to shore up their power. Page 66:
"Islam was an instrument of domination. After Muhammad, others used his cult for the very same purpose. Muslims become like putty in the hands of those leaders who invoke Islam. Mirza Malkam Khan (1831-1908), an Armenian who converted to Islam and together with Jamaleddin Afghani launched the idea of an 'Islamic Renaissance' (An-Nahda), had a slogan of unrivaled cynicism: 'Tell the Muslims something is in the Qur'an, and they will die for you.' On his deathbed, Muhammad urged his followers not to remain idle, and exhorted them to push on and continue their jihad to conquest. Genghis Khan gave a similar command to his sons on his deathbed. He told them he desired to conquer the world, but that since he could no longer do it, they should fulfill his dream. The Mongols, like Muslims, were terrorizors. For the narcissist, all that matters is to win. They have no conscience. For them, lives of other humans are cheap."
According to his architect Albert Speer, Adolf Hitler was fond of saying things such as: "You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
Nazism was essentially a new religion of Jihadism, which had much more in common with Islam than with Christianity. The admiration was mutual. As late as in 2005, Hitler's autobiography Mein Kampf was among the top bestsellers in Turkey, as it is in a number of Arab and Muslim countries, behind a book about a Turkish national hero detonating a nuclear bomb in Washington D.C. At the same time, Turkish PM Tayyip Erdogan has stressed that Islamophobia must be treated as "a crime against humanity."
Another concept Islam and Nazism have in common is the Big Lie. Understanding Muhammad, page 179:
"Adolf Hitler, in his Mein Kampf, (1925) wrote: 'The broad mass of a nation will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.' If anyone should have known the power of the big lie and that the bigger the lie the more believable it sounds, it was Hitler. Another good statement is that of George Orwell, author of Politics and the English Language. He wrote: 'Political language … is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.' Why big lies are so convincing? It's because an ordinary person generally does not dare to tell a big lie. He fears that it would not be believed and that he would be derided. And, since everyone has heard or has said a few white lies, most people generally recognize them when they hear one. The big lies are so outlandish that they often startle the listener. Most people are not equipped to process them adequately."
Ali Sina believes that the big lie "offsets the scale of our common sense. This is not unlike loading a scale that is made to weigh kilos with tons. It stops showing the correct weight. The indicator may even stop at zero. Hence, Hitler was right. The big lie is often believed more than a small lie."
Perhaps the simplest explanation for why Islam is so big is that people believe in big lies, and Islam is the biggest lie ever told in human history. Never has a more appalling human being than Muhammad ibn Abdullah had a greater and more lasting influence on so many people.
Although Ali Sina is critical of Islam he is also critical of the West, especially its belief in Multiculturalism and the ideological censorship regime known as Political Correctness, which he has called the "white man's disease." To demonstrate what's wrong with the West, he uses the example of John Walker Lindh, the "American Taliban" who converted to Islam, trained with Jihadist groups and fought in Afghanistan against his own country. Page 220:
"John Walker Lindh is one victim of the sickness of Western society called political correctness. Wasn't it Ronald Reagan who called the Islamic terrorists in Afghanistan 'freedom fighters'? John went on to become a freedom fighter. What is wrong with that? Didn't President George W. Bush and Tony Blair repeatedly announce, 'Islam is a religion of peace?' Why jail a follower of the religion of peace who has simply followed the instructions of his religion of peace? The West is guilty – guilty of complicity, of appeasement and of self deception. As required summer reading for first-year students, Prof. Michael Sells of the University of North Carolina compiled a book called Approaching the Qur'an where only the 'nice' teachings of the Qur'an pertaining to the early Meccan verses were handpicked and the violent, bloody verses that call for killing, looting and raping unbelievers, those that churn the stomach of any sane person that were written later in Medina were deliberately left out. This is nothing but playing the game of deception. The same deception is found in the books of Karen Armstrong and John Esposito in their definition of Islam."
Sina believes that a false image of Islam is being portrayed for infidel consumption by Western academics, for various reasons of ideological and financial corruption. The problem is, when young Westerners believe the lies they are fed about Islam, we disapprove of their actions as they embrace Islamic teachings. Sina considers this to be a form of hypocrisy. Page 220 continued:
"These children are not guilty. They are the products of our sick ethos called political correctness. How many newspapers, television or radio stations have the guts to call a spade a spade when it comes to Islam? Which one of our politicians has the mettle to stand in front of a camera and tell the nation that Islam is not a religion of peace? Watch your kids. If anyone dares to tell the truth, he is immediately branded as a racist and a hate-monger, and his head will roll. Meanwhile, Islamic propagandists are given freedom to twist the truth and promote their lies, knowing they will never be challenged on anything they say. CAIR, Council of American-Islamic Relations, (or better said 'Conning Americans with Islamic Ruse') furnishes thousands of libraries across the country with Islamic books, hoping to find more John Walker Lindhs. Mosques are being built in every city and town throughout the country to instill the hatred of America amongst the American kids. The situation is worse in Europe, Australia, Canada and other non-Muslim countries."
Ali Sina certainly isn't politically correct. On page 248 he states that "Islam is not just a false belief but also a mental disorder. It is a disorder that reduces sane people into insane people."
On pages 256-257 he attacks the doctrines of Multiculturalism and the idea that all cultures are equally worth preserving:
"If any culture needs to be preserved, it is the Western, Helleno-Christian culture. It is this culture that is facing extinction. It is to this culture alone that we owe the Enlightenment, Renaissance, and democracy. These are the foundations of our modern world. It would be a terrible mistake not to preserve this culture. If we do nothing, we face a future where democracy and tolerance will fade and Islam's more primitive instincts will subjugate humanity. All cultures are not made equal. A doctrine that advocates subjugation of women and minorities is not equal to a culture that promotes equality of all people irrespective of their beliefs, gender and race. Islam is not a culture. It is the antithesis of culture. It is barbarity, savagery and incivility. Islamic civilization is an oxymoron, while Islamic terrorism is redundancy. We owe our freedom and modern civilization to Western culture. It is this culture that is now under attack and needs protection. I wrote this book with two goals in my mind: to help Muslims see the truth and leave Islam, and to unmask the real face of Islam and warn of its threat, so the world can stand up and protect itself."
This echoes the ideas of another former Muslim, Ibn Warraq, who believes that berating and blaming the West, which has been fashionable since the 1960s and 1970s, has had the result that many Westerners now seem unwilling or incapable of defending their own civilization against outside attacks. In his book Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism, Warraq highlights the destructive impact of Said's influential book Orientalism from 1978. Said was influenced by Foucault, Marx and the French intellectual tradition and refused to acknowledge evidence contrary to his claims about "Western bigotry." Page 246:
"In cultures already immune to self-criticism, Said helped Muslims, and particularly Arabs, perfect their already well-developed sense of self-pity. There is a kind of comfort and absolution in being told that none of your problems are of your making, that you do not have to accept any responsibility for the ills besetting your society. It is all the fault of the West, of infidels….Orientalism came at the precise time when anti-Western rhetoric was at its most shrill and was already being taught at Western universities, and when third-worldism was at its most popular. Jean-Paul Sartre preached that all white men were complicit in the exploitation of the third world, and that violence against Westerners was a legitimate means for colonized men to re-acquire their manhood. Said went further: 'It is therefore correct that every European, in what he could say about the Orient, was consequently a racist, an imperialist, and almost totally ethnocentric.' Not only, for Said, is every European a racist, but he must necessarily be so. As I have argued, Western civilization has been more willing to criticize itself than any other major culture."
It is interesting to notice that individuals such as Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan and others who were not born into Western civilization are at the forefront of defending Western freedoms, while many white Marxists willingly collaborate with Muslims and cry "Islamophobia!" whenever somebody points out the violence inherent in Islamic doctrines. We are thus faced with the highly unusual situation – perhaps unique in world history – where a major civilization is attacked by insiders and defended by people who were not born into it.
In Understanding Muhammad, Ali Sina takes the traditional Islamic sources at face value and uses them to reconstruct an image of the person Muhammad as he appears in these sources. There exists a revisionist school of thought which has even questioned whether Muhammad existed at all. Personally, I tend to believe that he was an historical person, some form of Arab national leader, although there is much about the early history of Islam which we do not know and I am willing to consider all possibilities. The advantage of relying on the traditional sources is that according to the texts Muslims themselves use, Muhammad comes off as a highly immoral person. In a way, this strengthens the case of those who believe that Islamic texts were at least inspired by an historical person: If Muhammad ibn Abdullah of Mecca is a later invention, wouldn't those who invented him have made him appear to be more noble? Ironically, it is possible to argue that the very appalling personality that is portrayed in the hadith and Sira literature is an argument in favor of viewing him as an historical person.
I agree 100% with Ali Sina's view that Islam cannot be reformed. Indeed, he partly taught me that. I find his book Understanding Muhammad to be very valuable. However, his idea of spending many pages on detailed discussions of what kind of mental or physical illnesses Muhammad did or did not suffer from was sometimes too technical for my taste. Sina's understanding of the nature of Islam is impeccable, and his writings should be considered required reading for those dealing with Islam in their everyday life. My advice would be: Do buy Sina's book, but read it in combination with one or several other books. A very accessible title on the subject would be The Truth About Muhammad: Founder of the World's Most Intolerant Religion by Robert Spencer, but there are also other titles available.
Posted by Robert at October 25, 2008 7:55 AM
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– where a major civilization is attacked by insiders and defended by people who were not born into it.
its depressing...
Posted by: theygottago
at October 25, 2008 8:40 AM
Robert - Thank you for publishing Fjordman. I always find his writing to be lucid, reasoned and clear. I see no evidence of him being a racist.
Bravo, Fjordman! And, of course, bravo, Spencer!
Posted by: tanstaafl
at October 25, 2008 10:00 AM
Exhale. As an observer, I found it unbearable to suffer the painful and unjustifiable criticism of Fjordman's powerful and inspiring essays.
Robert Spencer's clarification is a welcome breath of fresh air.
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a few quotes from Sina's testimony in Leaving Islam and continue with quotes from his own book. I will provide page references to make it easier for others to quote and use the material.
The effort to provide the source references is much appreciated. Thank you.
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From Sina's book page 139:
". . .and, above all,[Pakistani's were] filled with hated for the Indians.
Forgive my ignorance, but weren't all Pakistani's Indian at some point? Is there a genetic difference? Did he mean Hindu or Buddhist instead of Muslim?
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OT but this quote from above reminds me:
"If you live in an Islamic country, you could be put to death for criticizing Islam, Muhammad or his companions. If you live in a non-Muslim country. .."Posted by: heroyalwhynessIRAN arrests American Women's Rights Activist
updated 5:31 a.m. ET, Fri., Oct. 24, 2008 CAIRO, Egypt - An American university student in Iran to visit family and research women's rights has been arrested and held in prison for more than a week, rights group Amnesty International said.Esha Momeni, a student at California State University, Northridge, was driving on a highway in Tehran when she was stopped by authorities who said they were traffic police, the London-based Amnesty said.
Iranian officials said Momeni was arrested Oct. 15 for a traffic offense. But Amnesty said in a statement Tuesday she was taken to her family's home where her computer and other materials related to her research on the Iranian women's movement were confiscated Momeni, who is a member of the California branch of Change for Equality — an Iranian women's rights group — was later taken to Evin prison, the Tehran facility notorious for holding political prisoners, Amnesty said.
Her family was told by an Iranian court on Monday that her case was still being investigated, and no details would be released until after the probe was completed, Amnesty said.
Iranian judicial officials have not commented on the case and no other details were immediately available in Iran.
'Concerned'
The university is calling for her release."Anyone who values knowledge and the role of academic inquiry in shedding light on the human condition should be concerned," said the university's president Jolene Koester.
In Washington, the State Department said it was aware of reports of Momeni's arrest and was seeking more information.
"We stand with all those in Iran who are working for universal human rights and justice in their countries," deputy spokesman Robert Wood told reporters Wednesday.
Momeni was aware of the risks of her work, said Melissa Wall, her thesis adviser and director of the university's mass communications graduate program.
"We talked about the dangers," Wall said. "But in the end, it was her decision to go. She was interested in communicating to Americans a broader image of Iranian women. She has a lovely presence, she smiled a lot."
at October 25, 2008 10:11 AM
"I would rather see anti-synagogue marches over anti-mosque ones. The mosques become a non-issue if you defeat the wretched sheeny." --From the VNN site RS referenced as "evil."
Good God. Nazis live. And not only are they evil, but also as stupid as the day is long.
at October 25, 2008 10:23 AM
Many thanks to Robert for his defense of Fjordman, and many thanks to heroyalwhyness for the story on Esha Momeni.
Posted by: Papa Whiskey
at October 25, 2008 10:46 AM
In the end, calm amd rational thinking win the day. I see Robert's posting of Fjordman's review as just a logical step in the right direction. Kudos.
Posted by: kgs59
at October 25, 2008 12:52 PM
In Christian doctrine there is a verse that says "we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual forces of wickedness"
Ali Sina mentions the italian couple who treated him so well as being eye opening to him, yet if that couple had lived in an age where they had been educated to the doctrines and tenets of Islam would they have opened their home and hearts to him?
Many in our culture have little idea of the doctrines and tenets that have created our culture for instance our understanding of representative democracy came from a protestant understanding of "in Christ you are all kings and priests" the orthodox understanding of those things had been generally that since the Bible spoke often of the coming Kingdom of God, it became widely accepted that a kingdom was a better form of government than a democracy. In america, where public education was first founded partly as a means to avoid the priestcraft of the old country, so that the people could read with understanding and not be dependant on a class of people to make up their minds for them.
In Islam, there is a sort of the same dichotomy, they have their ulema and their umma which roughly corresponds to a clergy and a laity. The invention of the printing press broke the power of the clergy as the Bible was translated and printed in the vernacular. Many upsets occurred cities were racked with violence as new understandings upset the established order.
Posted by: stickman
at October 25, 2008 1:11 PM
That's a great line by Fjordman about not wanting to choose between the stark choices of White Supremacy and White Worthlessness. In a few words he brilliantly dismisses both racism and multiculturalism.
Posted by: Wellington
at October 25, 2008 1:20 PM
After reading such a review, I'll have to get the book itself. My thanks to Jihad Watch for posting this article and the many others like it.
Posted by: CJK
at October 25, 2008 1:39 PM
I have the 2005/06 edition of this book. Is there a significant difference between this and that?
Posted by: dag
at October 25, 2008 3:20 PM
Jews rock. Just watch the number of Nobel prizes they take. Also, they manage to have a pretty good economy in Israel in spite of being short on natural resources.
I have a 'Buy Israeli' editorial pinned to my fridge. It will remain there until anti-Semitism (anti-Jewish sentiment) is eradicated from Denmark.
(Sorry, couldn't resist :)
Posted by: Henrik
at October 25, 2008 3:38 PM
I read Fjordman's comments all the time. Not just his long essays, but his casual comments on other people's blogs.
I have never seen the slightest evidence to suggest that Fjordman is a white supremacist or a fascist, neo or otherwise.
Quite on the contrary, Fjordman's writings consistently suggest a well informed, well read, civililized and entirely humanitarian view of life and people.
Fjordman is a valuable asset to the resistance.
Fjordman is a good-guy.
Posted by: joeblough
at October 25, 2008 3:45 PM
Fjordman has one huge advantage over WS'ers, multi-cultis, Jihadis and even the EU elite:
He knows what he's talking about :)
Posted by: Henrik
at October 25, 2008 4:34 PM
"...our understanding of representative democracy came from a protestant understanding of "in Christ you are all kings and priests..."
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but wasn't democracy a Greek invention. Didn't it disappear as a result of religious power and not return until the "founding fathers" saw the need for secularism.
Posted by: Mick_n_NYC
at October 25, 2008 4:37 PM
Mick, democracy was actually invented several times through history. The Greek city-states were the first in Europe to come up with it in a formal way, but the Roman Empire (before it went 'empire') was a Republic as well.
The modern democracy has roots in the city-states of the High Middle Ages. In particular in Italy, the Netherlands, England and the Hansa. Magna Carta is from this time. Interestingly, it stems from Catholic times, not Protestant - somewhere around AD 1200. A good time in many respects, as we also had rapid progress in technology, business and philosophy.
I recommend reading Rodney Stark's little book The Victory of Reason. He traces these fine developments much further back than the Age of Reason / Age of Enlightenment. There's a treasure chest of European philosophy and identity hidden in Those Terrible Middle Ages.
Posted by: Henrik
at October 25, 2008 4:46 PM
Fjordman wrote:
"It is interesting to notice that individuals such as Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Wafa Sultan and others who were not born into Western civilization are at the forefront of defending Western freedoms, while many white Marxists willingly collaborate with Muslims and cry "Islamophobia!" whenever somebody points out the violence inherent in Islamic doctrines. We are thus faced with the highly unusual situation – perhaps unique in world history – where a major civilization is attacked by insiders and defended by people who were not born into it."
Like an above poster said "How depressing is that"?
When speaking with a German a while back he told me that never before had he known a people so quick to destroy their own culture than the British. I was saddened by his realisation if our sad, decadent society.
One of the few people to speak out against Islam in positions of authority is the Bishop Nazir Ali. He too is an apostate of Islam and has spoken of Islamic Ghetto-isation of the UK, places where Non Muslims fear to go. As usual, the slanderers came out to silence him and his interaction with the media of late has been very sparse indeed. However, like the Fjordman wrote above, it is those who do not have the luxury of growing up in our western culture who are always its greatest defenders. There is that age old saying "Familiarity breeds contempt" and I just wish that Islam started experiencing this problem as we seem to be doing so in the West - Political Correctness.
If the West continues down the road it's going then it will certainly lead to its demise, there's no doubt about that.
Posted by: Richard the Lionheart
at October 25, 2008 5:51 PM
Thank you for this, Robert. Fjordman has long been one of my favorite essayists.
Slightly OT - I tracked down and perused the material on the VNN website. What vile, antisemitic trash! Mostly the material consists of commentary based on writings from historical (and some recent) figures who felt free to wallow in widespread anti-Jewish bigotry of the day without recrimination. Much of this attitude seems to have been drawn from the historical enmity the Church had for the Jews as "Christ killers" and, sadly and shamefully, was shared by otherwise revered figures (including Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Churchill, ...). I've often thought it curious that the Church never seems to have considered to be significant the rather obvious fact that without the role played by the Jews in the crucifixion there would never have even been a Christianity. Jesus would likely have died forgotten as another in a long list of desert prophets. Any comments about this from Christians?
Posted by: Eastview
at October 25, 2008 6:28 PM
"[I conclude after visiting a website run of, by and for antisemites]sadly and shamefully [hostility to Jews] was shared by otherwise revered figures (including Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Churchill..."
-- from a posting above
No. I am familiar with the made-up quotes in the case of Franklin, and I suspect the same fabrications with the others. Jefferson made some very mild remarks; Churchill was not perfect, but he was hardly an antisemite, and he was firmly convinced that Zionism was a good thing, and that the Jews were certainly entitled not to be betrayed -- as they were in so many ways -- by the British antisemites who constituted (there were exceptions: Wyndham Deedes, Col. Meinertzhagen, Orde Wingate) so large a part of those entrusted with overseeing the government of Mandatory Palestine. You can check these quotations -- start with the Franklin one -- online to see that forgery, or deliberate context-less misreading that is misleading, are clearly involved.
Caveat lector.
Posted by: Hugh
at October 25, 2008 7:12 PM
Um... Churchill never called jews christ-killers. Look up the history of it. It's true that he had what could be broadly classed as anti-semtic views early in his life, but then he grew wise. I know it's a cliché but some of his best friends, or at least closest supporters, were jewish.
Posted by: Archonix
at October 25, 2008 7:17 PM
"Caveat lector."
Posted by: Hugh
Noted. Also, I should have been more careful in the phrasing concerning who did and who did not explicitly charge the Jews with being "Christ killers" (what a despicable phrase). The Church did, however, and this attitude played a large role in the persecution of the Jews for a very long time, extending even to today. I heard the phrase used when I was a boy growing up in the Midwest.
Posted by: Eastview
at October 25, 2008 8:56 PM
Eastview
antisemitism within Christendom has been a tragedy both for the church and for the Jews.
Mr Fitzgerald recommends - to all 'western' gentiles, but I think especially to Christians - Malcolm Hay's 'Europe and the Jews', also known as 'The Foot of Pride'.
Another classic study is James Parkes' "The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue".
For those who can read French, I would also commend, by Jacques Ellul, sociologist, lay theologian and Righteous Gentile, the following: his magnificent little book in defence of Israel, 'Un Chretien Pour Israel' (1986), his essay 'Les trois piliers du conformisme' which - in the course of addressing and demolishing the specious arguments that Muslim interfaith snake-oil salesmen usually put forward to claim kinship with Jews and with Christians - at the same time exposes the depth and continuity of Christianity's debt to Hebrew/ Jewish theology and anthropology; and 'Ce Dieu Injuste? - theologie chretienne pour le peuple d'Israel' (1991).
What emerges from Ellul's writing is his conviction that it is possible to be a completely convinced Christian and at the same time to love and respect the Jews, the House of Israel; and one does not, in fact, have to distort or ignore the Christian scriptures in order to do this, one just needs to think much more carefully about what is being said. (He produces masterly re-readings of some of the passages that have been traditionally used to attack Jews).
James Parkes was like Ellul in that he combined an intelligent and convinced Christian faith, with a deep love and respect for the Jewish people. Here is one account of his journey.
http://covenant.idc.ac.il/en/vol2/issue2/final-reckoning.html
If budding Christian seminarians were required to emulate Parkes and sign up for a course of study at a good yeshiva, they would be much less likely to perpetuate misconceptions about Judaism when preaching to their flocks later in life.
Christianity must - and can - purge itself of the hatred and rejection of Jews that has poisoned much of its history and (I suspect) crippled its own spirituality.
For in the last analysis - as Franz Rosenzweig saw, for example - the Jew and the Christian stand together as witnesses to a divine being who is conceived of as both personal and infinite, who loves and who makes and keeps covenant, and who confers upon human life both dignity and sanctity.
Curiously enough, Islam perceives that central point of contact, that deep commonalty - even as it zeroes in on it with implacable hostility and contempt. Quran Surah 5: 17 begins by telling Muslims "The Jews and the Christians say, 'We are the children of Allah and his loved ones'". The verse goes on to tell the Muslims how they are to attack that proposition (by the way, any serious Jew or Christian will find the proposed refutations completely ridiculous and utterly unconvincing); but this recognition, by Islam, that Jews and Christians both confess a conviction that God is their loving Father, is still interesting.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy
at October 25, 2008 10:13 PM
I agree with the general thrust and goals of Sina’s work via his website. However, he has a tendency to exaggerate in writing about the problems in Islam. There is really no need to exaggerate; the problems are bad enough as is. At times, he can be overly hostile with those with whom he disagrees—Muslims and non-Muslims alike. If Sina could work on these aspects of his presentation, I think he’d improve his persuasiveness and reach a broader audience.
Some examples of Sina’s overstatements (bolding mine):
Sina, quoted by Fjordman:
"There is no evidence of any persecution against Muhammad and Muslims in Mecca.”
Even a novice apologist of Islam would be able to come back with some pre-packaged responses here. If Sina is going to rely on sources such as the Hadith and Sira in his criticisms, then he’ll have to deal more thoroughly with the bases for Muslims’ claims of persecution. I’ve read some detailed Muslim apologetics on this issue, and these apologists have more of a case than Sina appears to acknowledge.
Sina, quoted by Fjordman (bolding mine):
“Megalomania, bullishness, the sense of entitlement and all other narcissistic traits of Muhammad are present in each and every Muslim, to the extent that they emulate their prophet. From king to pauper, from president to janitor, Muslims consider themselves to be superior to the rest of humanity. They are convinced that one day Islam will dominate, mankind will submit to them, and they will be the masters of the world.”
Once again, we see unnecessary exaggeration and oversimplification. Does anyone seriously believe that this is true of “each and every Muslim” to the extent they emulate their prophet? I think most Islam critics (including Sina) realize that the situation is much more complex than that.
Fjordman says:
“Perhaps the simplest explanation for why Islam is so big is that people believe in big lies, and Islam is the biggest lie ever told in human history.”
I don’t think that’s a credible explanation. I suggest that Islam has been successful as a memeplex because it contains instructions such as these:
1. a) Have large families. b) Teach children Islam and to identify themselves as Muslims first and foremost.
2. Non-Muslims are the enemy, unless they can be used to advance or defend Islam.
3. Spread Islam (gain converts and implement Islamic standards) through da’wa and social, cultural, economic, legal, political Islamization.
4. Spread Islamic rule and culture by force, until the Last Day or until whole world is under Islamic rule.
5. Defend Islam by force, e.g., harsh penalties threatened and carried out against those who would (a) criticize Islam, (b) leave Islam, (c) innovate Islam.
6. Greater power, status, and rewards are given to those who struggle more in defending and spreading Islam.
7. Islam is the right way and must always be made to prevail over non-Islamic systems.
These are just some of the main features of mainstream Islam that help explain its “success.”
at October 26, 2008 2:44 AM
There is no evidence of any persecution against Muhammad and Muslims in Mecca.
I agree that this is an oversimplification. There was, according to the Sirat, a boycott against Muslims. The reason was simple: Muhammad and the Muslims were mocking the religion of the town.
Now, the Meccans were worshipping Allah and other ancient Arabic idols. By implication, Muhammad must have been talking against Allah...
Islam is self-incriminating.
Posted by: Henrik
at October 26, 2008 3:07 AM
BTW, a good idea _not_ to provide a link to VNN. Doing so would improve their ranking at Google and other search engines, which is not exactly useful.
Posted by: Henrik
at October 26, 2008 4:44 AM
I agree with Fjordman on Gandhi, and once sent a mail to FFI telling them that Sina's endorsement of Gandhi was not only naive, but unwittingly siding with the enemy. All I got back was an invitation to join their forums where apparently others agree with me, but that wasn't what I was looking for.
Gandhi, after all, was a champion in pandering to Mohammedan interests - from his support to the 'Khilafat' movement in 1919 - aimed at restoring the Ottoman Sultan as Caliph of the Ummah - to his insistence that even if Pakistan be cleansed of Hindus and Sikhs, India should retain its Mohammedans. I have in the past noted here how he did everything to strenghten not only the Mohammedans, but Pakistan as well, such as insisting that India pay Pakistan Rs 55 million for resettling Muslim refugees from India, even though India had a much larger burden settling Hindu and Sikh refugees from Pakistan.
Posted by: Infidel Pride
at October 26, 2008 5:32 AM
I love Fjordman. I love Jihad Watch. I love Ali Sina probably the most. I wrote a glowing review of his book on Amazon, as I had awaited it for so long. I probably wouldn't know anything about Islam if it weren't for FaithFreedom. Reading Sina's Challenge back when I was a useful idiot (albeit, not your typical America/West-hating, unpatriotic useful idiot) was probably the biggest eye-opener of my life. It's so well-researched, so clear, so succinct, and so irrefutable that once I had read just the 'Misogynist' section I knew that I had to learn more and that I would never look at Islam or Muslims the same way. I have also exchanged a few nice emails with Ali Sina, and he is a very kind individual. I was shocked that he wrote me back. I can't imagine the kinds of stuff he finds when he goes to his inbox, including death threats and terrible stories from apostates who only leave Islam after haing been horribly victimized by it.
Having read 'Understanding Muhammad' and 'The Truth About Muhammad' I can honestly say that I understand more about Muhammad and Muslims than Muslims themsleves understand. That's not saying much since they have no gift for introspection or self-criticism, and have an up paralleled gift for denial and gullibly eating up miseducation, but understanding the 'what' is more useful when you understand the 'how' and the 'why.'
Also, if any of you are interested in learning about whether or not Muhammad was a real guy or whatever, 'The Quest for the Historical Muhammad' by Ibn Warraq is great book, although, after reading it, I'm still just as certain that it really doesn't matter if he was real or not, just what Muslims think to be the case.
Finally, it occurred to me that the more Judeophoic a society is the more likely it is to tank. England and France will go under long before Denmark, Italy, the US, India, or Australia. And as a Jew I have to say that I have never experienced Christian persecution, only persecution by Muslims and those who side with Muslims, ignoring Judeo-Christian, Golden Rule dogma. The Christian concensus is the anti-jihad movement's best hope, as well as the best hope for the standing of Israel in the Free World. The persistence of Christianity in America and Australia is largely the reason why we haven't lost our identities, which are if anything far less salient than those of any European nation. It's not a coincidence that the most Judeophobic nations are the most self-defeating, self-critical, and have all but lost their sense of identity and nationalism. It's a question of right vs. wrong. Those who hate Jews and hate their wonderful Free-World nations but who defend Islam and Muslims have no moral compasses and are very easily duped. They will fail in the long run. They are the Labor/Obama voters who hope that our societies are destroyed and who want it to be 9/11 and Beslan here every day.
Posted by: jdamn
at October 26, 2008 3:00 PM
How Can I be a white supremacist? I love Jooos!!!! I only hate N***ers and non-whit..oups...non-western folks.
The proof VNN hate Joos, therefore I am no racist!!!.
I am bright don't ya think?
You priced yourself too low by associating with lilly euro-fascists, paranoid far-right groups and Serbian individuals with links to the late Milosovic...You're already discredited Mr "Spencer".
at October 26, 2008 7:25 PM
by the way, I invite all the sheerleaders here to read about the dangerous connections of your guru.-->
http://kejda.net/2008/08/08/robert-spencers-connections-the-james-jatras-file/
at October 26, 2008 7:29 PM
Vicent Fuster:
Sockpuppetry notice: "Vicent Fuster" above is the same person as "Albert Lorenzo," who showed up here awhile ago attempting to defame me with guilt-by-association attacks.
And speaking of lies, here is the author of the tissue of smears he links above, Kejda Gjermani, being caught lying outright:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31237_Spencer_on_Cologne_Anti-Islamisation_Meeting
Read down in the comments field, and you will see it.
Sure, Kejda Gjermani knows a great deal about Nazis: she emulates them in their practice of the Big Lie. Caveat emptor.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 26, 2008 9:11 PM
Robert, I checked out Kejda Gjermani's web site. I agree that her take on you is wrong. But without getting into a debate over the merits of her views on this or any of the many other topics she discusses on her site, it is obvious this 22 year old Canadian student (but a native of Albania) possesses a rather formidable intellect. (I wonder how she can devote quality time both to her studies and to maintaining her web site. It's hard to do both well.) For a 22 year old she seems to be remarkably conservative compared to her contemporaries, her comments about you notwithstanding. Perhaps her relatively conservative natural tendencies will only strengthen in the future and she will become an ally in our cause.
Posted by: Eastview
at October 26, 2008 11:02 PM
Eastview:
Perhaps her relatively conservative natural tendencies will only strengthen in the future and she will become an ally in our cause.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that if I were you.
...it is obvious this 22 year old Canadian student (but a native of Albania) possesses a rather formidable intellect.
That may be, but she uses it only for evil. Her lies in that report are manifold, intricate, and subtle. For example, she claims that Jatras objected to Dukakis because Dukakis had a Jewish wife, and links to an earlier hit piece claiming the same thing, when in reality, Jatras objected to Dukakis because Dukakis claimed to be a member in good standing of the Orthodox Church, while departing from that Church's stands on many issues. It was simply an honesty issue.
The rest of her piece is in the same vein: half-truth, distortion, outright lie, all wrapped up in a plausible enough presentation. I wonder how she can devote what you term "quality time" to fashioning such an elaborate web of deceptions. It is an interesting insight into just how low some people will stoop.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 27, 2008 7:26 AM
Here is another example that was just sent to me. Michael Hussey, who posts at Little Green Footballs under the name MPH, posted this on October 1:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/196/5966857
196 MPH 10/01/2008 8:11:45 pm PDTGlenn Reynolds and Eric Scheie are asking reader of Dean Esmay's blog to lend him a hand while he works through some hard breaks. I am donating -- perhaps you might too.
Link: http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/025150.php
Link: http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/09/donations_reque.html
Meanwhile, Robert Spencer calls Dean a "frothing psychopath."
Link: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022904.php
Dean's crime? Telling Spencer to lay off our muslim allies fighting side-by-side with our troops in Iraq.
It sounds plausible until you actually read back in the Jihad Watch link and see what really happened, which of course few people will do.
In the first place, the two things are entirely unrelated. I didn't know Dean Esmay needed money, and didn't call him a "frothing psychopath" on the occasion of his request for money. Nor did I call him a "frothing psychopath" because of a disagreement over Iraq, although I think recent revelations about Pakistan's double game under Musharraf illustrate the need for the caution I have advised in counting on such "allies."
In any case, I called Dean Esmay a "frothing psychopath" because, as you can see at the Jihad Watch link above, he damned me to hell and predicted I would die lonely and alone -- and this violently unhinged, straitjacket-worthy rhetoric came only as one in a series of attacks on my character and integrity (attacks which continue whenever he mentions me, to this day). They also came after he gave focus to numerous light-on-fact, heavy-on-defamation hit pieces on my work. I think the man has some very serious personal demons -- that he is, in short, a "frothing psychopath" -- but that has nothing to do with his naive and pollyannish views of Iraq, or his need for money (although no doubt it is tangentially related to the latter).
But MPH didn't tell you any of that, and instead presented his case in a way designed to portray me in the worst possible light. His wife's hit piece on Jatras and me is a series of distortions in the same vein. As I said above, caveat emptor.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 27, 2008 8:16 AM
Yes you're right, I am "Albert Lorenzo", but because of unknown reasons, I
can't log in with my old account...but that's not the real issue here, is it?
The real issue is, how can one be a Fascist if he loves "Jooos"? I mean, I
really love'em, Jews rock!!! So stop calling me things like "Racist" and "
Neo-Fascist"!!! As long as you declare your eternal love for "Joos", you're immuned from
those bad things The Left loves to call political-incorrect western warriors!
Jared Taylor is no White supremacist, because he loves "joos" and even work with
some of them !!! Vlaams Belang is not Fascist, because they support Israel and
court the Jewish vote of Antwerp!!! Heck, even some neo-nazis are no longer
racists, they now love "Joos", like the brave and respected "Neo-Nazis For Israel" (we
should take them as allies now, don't ya think "Spencer"?).--->
http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/dog_bites_man_neo_nazis_support_israel_20080605/
Well, what more can I say? Your true face has been known for quite a while.
Keep discrediting yourself, smart people will realize whom they're dealing with.
by the way, I encourage all people here to read the exchange of words between
Kejda and Spencer at the comment section of the LGF link posted by "Robert".
------------------------------------------------------------------
PS: Once again, Spencer banned me from posting.
.What he's afraid of?
at October 27, 2008 9:45 AM
"Banned Twice (albert Lorenzo aka Vicent Fuster)":
Afraid of you? Sorry. I just don't like liars and smear artists, which you manifestly are.
Banned again, good sir.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 27, 2008 10:02 AM
Yes you're right, I am "Albert Lorenzo", but because of unknown reasons, I
can't log in with my old account...but that's not the real issue here, is it?
The real issue is, how can one be a Fascist if he loves "Jooos"? I mean, I
really love'em, Jews rock!!! So stop calling me things like "Racist" and "
Neo-Fascist"!!! As long as you declare your eternal love for "Joos", you're immuned from
those bad things The Left loves to call political-incorrect western warriors!
Jared Taylor is no White supremacist, because he loves "joos" and even work with
some of them !!! Vlaams Belang is not Fascist, because they support Israel and
court the Jewish vote of Antwerp!!! Heck, even some neo-nazis are no longer
racists, they now love "Joos", like the brave and respected "Neo-Nazis For Israel" (we
should take them as allies now, don't ya think "Spencer"?).--->
http://www.jewishjournal.com/thegodblog/item/dog_bites_man_neo_nazis_support_israel_20080605/
Well, what more can I say? Your true face has been known for quite a while.
Keep discrediting yourself, smart people will realize whom they're dealing with.
by the way, I encourage all people here to read the exchange of words between
Kejda and Spencer at the comment section of the LGF link posted by "Robert".
------------------------------------------------------------------
PS: Once again, Spencer banned me from posting.
.What he's afraid of?
Posted by: Banned Twice (albert Lorenzo aka Vicent Fuster) at October 27, 2008 9:45 AM
Robert -
I could even make a case for banning him because of incoherent posting.........
Tanstaafl
Posted by: tanstaafl
at October 27, 2008 10:37 AM
Tanstaafl:
I could even make a case for banning him because of incoherent posting.........
Yeah, I especially like the quotes around my name. I wonder what he thinks my name really is. Unfortunately for him, "Robert Spencer" is the only name I've ever had in my life, but his quotation marks around my name highlight the fictional character of all of the charges he and Kejda Gjermani, and Michael Hussey, continue to make.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 27, 2008 10:40 AM
I went back and took a look at Kejda Gjermani's libelous "expose."
Much of her case hinges upon this assertion:
"The deceptively named American Council for Kosovo is in fact a front group for the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija, whose president Milan Ivanovic was arrested by the UN administration (he took his sweet time to turn himself in after initially going into hiding) on charges of attempted murder (later dropped) and of leading a violent demonstration, during which at least one hand-grenade was thrown at the police (Ivanovic has been personally accused of this act but evidence was inconclusive for a conviction, hence the dropped charge of attempted murder), and 22 mainly Polish peacekeepers were injured. [...]Mr. Ivanovic is a hard-line nationalist by anyone’s definition, a staunch supporter of the neo-fascist Serbian Radical Party— an ultra-nationalists‘ melting crackpot of greater scale and proportion than even its name suggests. For starters, the Party organized the recent rallies in Serbia to protest Radovan Karadzic’s arrest, in which the same Ivanovic was visibly involved...
The only problem with this is that her basic assertion, that the American Council for Kosovo is a front group for Ivanovic's group, is false, and she provides no evidence to establish it. ACK spokesman James Jatras says this:
With respect to the Serbian National Council of Kosovo and Metohija as identified in the American Council for Kosovo's disclaimer, and the suggested relationship with Dr. Milan Ivanovic: in Kosovo today there is more than one organization operating under the name "Serbian National Council," or some variant of that name. These groups, some of them quite small, have differing political perspectives -- though all categorically reject separation of the province from Serbia -- and accordingly may align themselves with different Serbian political parties. As already noted, the American Council for Kosovo reflects the views of the Kosovo Serbian community as voiced by Bishop Artemije. I am unaware of Dr. Ivanovic's affiliation with any organization connected with the Bishop. If the implication of the comment is that the American Council for Kosovo is somehow controlled or directed by Dr. Ivanovic, that absolutely is not the case. However, I have met Dr. Ivanovic in the course of my visits to Kosovo and believe the aspersions cast against him are unwarranted. There is nothing "radical" or "anti-American," much less "supremacist," about him as far as I am aware, unless one regards opposition to Washington's illegal, pro-jihad anti-Serbian policy as being anti-American.
Kejda Gjermani is an accomplished liar, but in the final analysis that is all that she is: a liar.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 27, 2008 11:01 AM
Regarding Balkans, I recommend reading Al-qaida's Jihad in Europe and other good documentary works. And to check up the clearly neo-fascist Ustasha regime of Croatia during the war, or the Croatian rock 'musician' by the name of Fred Thompson, whose fans openly use the right-hand salute.
Fascism exists in the Balkans. In Croatia.
I used to believe the anti-Serbian line from Western media and governments, and got somewhat upset when a good friend of mine took an opposing view of events there. Since then, I read several books and watched documentaries. That changed my mind, extensively.
Posted by: Henrik
at October 27, 2008 3:18 PM


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