Platitudes!

Don’t laugh: UK government wants to get ‘real tough’ on hate-preachers

http://sheikyermami.com/2008/10/28/dont-laugh-uk-government-wants-to-get-real-tough-on-hate-preachers/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at October 29, 2008 12:39 AM

The British National Party “racists” want Britian as what it meant to be, what the British fought and died for, a nation to be proud of. The socialist/muslim axsis want a repressive socialist/islamic state with a facist majority. The the former are suppressed, and the latter welcomed To ask that Britian remains a British is a pernocuous idea.

It is time for the British to wake up and smell the sharia and get the traitors in parliament out, and the muslim invaders and their malignant offspring back to where-ever they came from.

GOD SAVE GREAT BRITAIN!

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more;
Or close the wall up with our English dead.
In peace there's nothing so becomes a man
As modest stillness and humility:
But when the blast of war blows in our ears,
Then imitate the action of the tiger;
Stiffen the sinews, summon up the blood,
Disguise fair nature with hard-favour'd rage;
Then lend the eye a terrible aspect;
Let pry through the portage of the head
Like the brass cannon; let the brow o'erwhelm it
As fearfully as doth a galled rock
O'erhang and jutty his confounded base,
Swill'd with the wild and wasteful ocean.
Now set the teeth and stretch the nostril wide,
Hold hard the breath and bend up every spirit
To his full height. On, on, you noblest English.
Whose blood is fet from fathers of war-proof!
Fathers that, like so many Alexanders,
Have in these parts from morn till even fought
And sheathed their swords for lack of argument:
Dishonour not your mothers; now attest
That those whom you call'd fathers did beget you.
Be copy now to men of grosser blood,
And teach them how to war. And you, good yeoman,
Whose limbs were made in England, show us here
The mettle of your pasture; let us swear
That you are worth your breeding; which I doubt not;
For there is none of you so mean and base,
That hath not noble lustre in your eyes.
I see you stand like greyhounds in the slips,
Straining upon the start. The game's afoot:
Follow your spirit, and upon this charge
Cry 'God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'

Posted by: InfidelK9 at October 29, 2008 1:29 AM

This article reminded me of something I once read on TheReligionofPeace.com:

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"Britain finally founds a Muslim it can deport. A GAY one."

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And the article under that headline was about an Azerbaijani artist who claimed his relatives would kill him if he were sent back to Azerbaijan, because they knew he was a homosexual. But, regardless of what he told the British authorities, there was nothing to stop his deportation.

Meanwhile, if hate-preachers such as Abu Qatada claim they might be harmed in any way if sent back to the "Sharia Paradises" that they're originally from, they're allowed to stay on in Britain so that their human rights will by no means be violated.

Such displays of dhimmitude go without saying.

Posted by: Proud_Kaffir7908 at October 29, 2008 1:46 AM

Golly, way off topic marisol/robert. You guys must have access to someone w/ the Khalidi tape. or Pipes. This has to be flushed.

delete me if need be just askin'- you guys are the fore front of the scene!

Save us and you'll save Britain. Obama will usher in the same thing that ails our allies.

Posted by: derak at October 29, 2008 1:47 AM

Tea and crumpets anyone? Spit-spot....nothing to see 'ere, wot?

Very sad. Still love 3 Para, SAS, Royal Grenadiers, et.al.

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at October 29, 2008 2:49 AM

Humm??!!
Same guys that populate the United Nations Security Council that we will soon be asking for validation and back up from on any move to address an International Crisis. The Security Council will be dictating our foreign policy to us, limiting our actions in one case and telling us how high to jump in another.

Had Obama have been President when Georgia was invaded by Russia, Russia would have retaken the whole Eastern block, by the time anyone would have come up with a carefully crafted letter of condemnation.

God help us, Obama isn't even President and he is getting bitch slapped by the French, of all people! The President of France called Obama's position of meeting with Iran without precondition and calling them a small country that doesn't constitute a threat, as naive and ridiculed it.

You know things are really bad when the French are calling you out and questioning your man card.

I am all in favor of change, for Iran, Korea, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Russia, etc. Those countries need change. We have the best Constitution in the world so we don't need to change our system of government. What we need is improvement. Manning up and stopping the whining could help too. Unfortunately, I feel a big steaming pile of Jimmy Carter about to be served up. Maybe I'll move to France, as long as my car doesn't get torched.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at October 29, 2008 4:52 AM

Grimreaper, Sarkozy is ten times the man, and ten times as respectable, as Obama is. It was Chirac - the mastermind of Eurabia - who led to the 'freedom fries' thing. Italy put Berlusconi back in power. Wilders' party keeps gaining seats. The British, the Swedes, and the Belgians are the suicidal dhimmis.

Posted by: jdamn at October 29, 2008 5:26 AM

What would Enoch Powell say about "a new push designed to stop fanatics entering Britain"? Well, I suppose he would say nothing at all..,he saw it all and was mocked.

Posted by: PG at October 29, 2008 5:46 AM

Among those already banned are Muslim cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed ...

Yeah, right. They only banned him once he was out of the country. There's no way they would have had the balls to deport him if he was still on British soil, as is the case with Abu Qatada.

Perhaps the government should send Abu Qatada a return flight ticket to wherever he came from, on the pretext of allowing him to visit his relatives? You know, a sort of good will gesture. Then, once he is safely abroad, the government could ban him.

[Jacqui Smith said:] "Coming to the UK is a privilege and I refuse to extend that privilege to individuals who abuse our standards and values to undermine our way of life."

My, don't she talk tough? However we know that it's empty rhetoric and it goes against the EUSSR's divide and conquer plan, which the UK government is an avid supporter of. It seems to me that any Muslim has the potential to undermine our way of life so not one should be allowed in.

Posted by: watling at October 29, 2008 6:20 AM

GrimReaperxxx:

Maybe I'll move to France, as long as my car doesn't get torched.

Stay away from the main troublespots - i.e. the big cities - and you'll be ok. I don't think the cancer of Islam has spread much to the smaller towns or to rural areas. I recommend le département de l'Ain. It's big and has spectacular scenery. Avoid Oyonnax and Bourg-en-Bresse, though, as the cancer seems to have affected them a little. Keep away from Lyon, too, of course.

Posted by: watling at October 29, 2008 6:30 AM

Don't kid yourself. I would bet the French country side is, like here in the USA, littered with muslim encampments. These enemy camps are used to train jihadis in the art of killing school children and spreading islam through the destruction of souls.

Deport.

Posted by: mike trivisonno at October 29, 2008 6:53 AM

The British Labour gov't do not want to alienate their voters, thats why you have only one mulim sob hate monger deported. Labour politicians make good whores.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at October 29, 2008 7:33 AM

"a new push designed to stop fanatics entering Britain"

You can't stop everyone. Despite your best efforts some of them will make their way through the process. But why, in heaven's name, can't you REMOVE fanatics from Britain?
If they're afraid of persecution in their home country, tough luck! Why should they be allowed to persecute the people of Britain? That IS what they are doing: persecuting you. They have abused the hospitality of Britons who welcomed them and (why, I will never understand) pay for their upkeep.
If we want to "stop fanatics from entering" a Western country, there is one step we can take: STOP MUSLIMS from entering.
Yeah, yeah, fanatics come in all sizes but the danger being faced by the West is coming from Muslims. There's no denying that.

Posted by: PMK at October 29, 2008 7:53 AM

England, bound in with the triumphant sea
Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:
That England, that was wont to conquer others,
Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.

John of Gaunt in Shakespeare's Richard II

Posted by: norman at October 29, 2008 8:00 AM

In the article above a link is provided to a previous JW story, which in turn quotes from a Daily Mail article about Abu Qatada. To make it easier for visitors to take in the magnitude of what such people - multiply by tens of thousands of those Muslims fiddling the absurd British system -- read what is reproduced below:

"Firebrand cleric Abu Qatada, freed three weeks ago, strolls near his London home [picture omitted]. Circled is the electronic tag he wears as a bail condition.

Despite being under virtual house arrest, the cleric appeared relaxed as he walked to nearby shops occasionally stroking his bushy, greying beard.

At one stage, he shared a joke with a woman about his brown prayer beads, laughing and then beaming after her comments.
Later, they were replaced in his right hand by a six-pack of Diet Coke bottles while under his left arm he clutched a bumper-pack of toilet rolls.
The father of five has claimed incapacity benefit for a bad back but on Monday he was wearing a green rucksack in case he needed to carry extra goods.
Just above the battered white training shoe on his right foot, and partially concealed by a sock, is the electronic tag he must wear as part of his strict bail conditions imposed by the Special Immigration Appeals Tribunal.
Qatada is allowed to leave his rented four-bedroom semi for one hour a day after 10am and another hour from 2pm.
Other restrictions include not using a mobile telephone - although he can use a landline - not using a computer and not having any contact, directly or indirectly, with a list of terrorists including Osama Bin Laden.
Neighbours who came forward soon after Qatada was freed spoke of their outrage over having such a man in the area while British soldiers are being killed in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The decision to free Qatada has left Britain's anti-terror laws in tatters and the taxpayer facing a bill of tens of thousands of pounds to keep the preacher under surveillance by the security services.

Then there are the handouts - he receives an estimated £150 a week in incapacity benefit while his 45-year-old wife is said to be entitled to child benefits, income support, housing and council tax credits which exceed £800 each week.
According to experts, the benefits are broken down into £499.62 in housing and £81.55 for four of the family's children who are under 18.
The family is also said to pick up around £210 in income support - a slightly lower figure than usual because of Qatada's incapacity benefit payment.

Of the five children, only those aged 17,14, nine and six are eligible for the child benefit payments. Their oldest, who is 19, is not entitled to a handout.

The couple are exempt from paying the £2,283 yearly council tax bill on their home - it is picked up by the authorities. Currently, similar properties in the same road as Qatada are being leased for £620 a week."

Now it is the duty of British citizens, and those who claim to protect and instruct them, to figure out exaclty what laws permit this kind of thing to happen, and what laws or customs prevent this kind of thing from being stopped, and change, and then to work quickly to change or eliminate both kinds of laws, and the attitudes that permitted their passage in the first place.

No time to waste.

Posted by: Hugh at October 29, 2008 9:09 AM

I think the best situation regarding stopping the hatred of Islam is to really start clamping down on Islam.
The biggest problem we in the UK are currently facing is from our government who on one side are waging wars in Muslim countries trying to find Osama and yet on the other are becoming more and more involved in Saudi Arabian Sharia Finance, which of course is meaning more and more appeasement for Islam in the UK. Let us also not forget that the War on Terror is enabling the government to remove our civil liberties on a daily basis.
So, my plan really is quite simple. Knock down the Mosques, do not allow religious freedom amongst Muslims, no Halal meat or Muslims selling beer/pork, No Muslim faith schools or Islamic studies in University. It's really that simple.
As regards to radical preachers well that's really simple as well. If they preach hatred then lock them up and send their home country the bill for their incarceration or else remove them from the UK pronto, to their own country and let them deal with them. Of course we would need to remove ourselves from Europe and the EU Human Rights doctrines.
There's lots of things we can do, but really the people aren't interested. They'd rather listen to Jonathon Ross and Russell Brand, verbally abuse people as it's their idea of entertainment. The UK is becoming full of Chavs unfortunately and really isn't worth saving that much. Maybe Islamisation may be a good thing for the UK because then the chavs may start realising what a great place Britain was along with British Culture. It would educate them for once in their lives, that's for sure.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 9:20 AM

It really boils down to the incredible fact that UK has routinely given asylum to Muslims who are TOO RADICAL even for MUSLIM countries because they might be tortured if they went home (Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for instance).

Posted by: poetcomic1 at October 29, 2008 9:56 AM

InfidelK9,

I have to say that although there are people on here who will certainly find the works of Shakespeare uplifting, the majority of inner city school children and younger generations, when asked who Henry V was would probably say, a French football player from North London.

Shakespeare is part of British Culture that would disappear under Islam. How on earth are we supposed to educate our young into being wary of Islam, hopefully to rid it from the West, when our Education system is completely controlled by the left wing, intent on promoting multiculturalism and of course Islam? How can we warn our younger generations of the danger that is Islam when it's a criminal offence to 'hate' another religion?

The problem is, we can look at the situation being grave, through our own eyes, who seriously know what's going on, but ultimately, it's the younger generation who are the politicians of tomorrow and if they're brought up to embrace Islam and multiculturalism, then they will endorse that further more into British Culture(ironic as it may seem).

The Left are winning Infidel. They've been winning since the 60's. They will continue to destroy everything that is British until there is nothing left of it whatsoever.
The government is certainly seeing the BNP as a threat, especially when they get their lackey Trevor Phillips, to speak out on the problem of creating an extreme far right, anti immigrant white youth, because of the recession and the governments favouritism to immigrant labour.
However, do you really feel that the BNP can make substantial gains in the UK to actually be a voice? I used to think that the Tories(not that I'd vote for them) have got the next election sewn up, but now I'm beginning to think that NuLabour may very well win for a third term.

I just think that the BNP will never be able to remove its bad press and stigmas. I think it's about time they addresses many things within their party, racism being one, as although I'm not saying that the BNP is not a racist party, there are many within the party who are. This is of course what stops the large majority of whites in the UK from voting for them, regardless of how disgruntled they are with the main 3.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 10:04 AM

poetcomic1 wrote: "UK has routinely given asylum to Muslims who are TOO RADICAL even for MUSLIM countries"

This as you know is a problem that the government got itself into. By effectively allowing the EU to control our borders then it means we have no power at all over how many asylum seekers we have to take and worse still, where from.

By immediately breaking away from EU control can we end this stupidity from continuing to happen. However, NuLabour won't and Conservatives certainly won't and in all reality, it will be one of those two who are elected next election, with NuLabour, winning back voters all the time.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 10:33 AM

The British Labour gov't do not want to alienate their voters, thats why you have only one mulim sob hate monger deported. Labour politicians make good whores.
by Zena

Are Muslims the majority of Labour supporters? If the majority of Labour supporters are upset at this policy why can't they vote for someone else? Vote for the Liberal Democrats or the Conservatives, at least once. Shake up Labour. Shake the other two parties out of their doldrums. Let the others know why you are voting for them and inform them that they cannot count on your support forever. If Labour is the best you can do then how can things change? If you can't vote for anyone else and Labour won't change its policies then why protest?
Something has to change. If not Labour then it has to be the voters.

Posted by: PMK at October 29, 2008 11:37 AM

PMK wrote "Are Muslims the majority of Labour supporters? If the majority of Labour supporters are upset at this policy why can't they vote for someone else?"

PMK, the problem we have in the UK is that people HATE the Conservatives, especially under Thatcher. Fifteen years of Conservatism and the problems they created meant that people ended up totally loathing them. This then of course passed on to their young. No doubt there is the same in the USA where there are die hard Republicans along with Democrats and white people in America would rather vote for a Racist Black man who was a Democrat than ever voting for a non racist Republican.

NuLabour attained power in '97. They didn't so much 'win' the Election but more importantly Conservatives 'lost' it and badly. It was nothing more than a landslide victory for Labour.
People in the UK, especially in the North will never forget how the Conservatives destroyed the mining industry, that left hundreds of thousands out of work, believing that it was cheaper to import foreign coal and put our miners on Welfare. The same also happened with other industries too PMK. In a nutshell, Thatcher destroyed the UK and NuLabour continued where she left off.
Liverpool(Merseyside) is staunchly a Labour part of the country. It was also the home of Ken Bigley, whom you may remember as the British worker beheaded by Al Qaeda in Iraq. Even though NuLabour went along with illegally invading Iraq and the subsequent situation that caused Bigley to be executed, the people of Merseyside will always vote NuLabour. Hell, if NuLabour organised an Al Qaeda march through the centre of Liverpool, to dishonour the death of Ken Bigley, praising his executioners, they'd still vote for NuLabour over Conservative.

People in the UK are saying that a vote for NuLabour is a vote for Islam, but then at the moment, the situation with Jonathon Ross and Russell Brand, two radio presenters who left an insulting message on an actors answering machine, is far more important to the people of the UK(and it seems the Prime Minister too) than politics and Islamisation of their country.

People are not interested in politics. They are not interested in who runs the country. Oh don't get me wrong, when the sh*t hits the fan, they have no jobs, are being evicted from their homes and the flag of Islam is waving outside no 10, not forgetting Sharia Law in complete control of the UK, will they then maybe show an interest in politics, but it will be too late by then as every civil liberty that they had will have been removed by NuLabour.

Our country is now practically run by a left wing ideology. Our schools are left wing. Our police are left wing and no doubt the armed forces soon, if not already. They have successfully indoctrinated the public into believing that any discussion on Immigration, Islam, the destruction of the UK and our sovereignty, is racist. The people of the UK have been part of one big social engineering experiment and it's worked rather well. In fact exceptionally well. NuLabour has successfully managed to make people see what isn't there - i.e. The Emperor's New Clothes, something I always bring up in my discussion.

NuLabour may very possibly win the next election as even though they were dead ducks in the Water, the Conservatives are just not what they used to be and an exceptionally weak party. They are much of the same of what NuLabour is as well as the Liberal Democrats. People know that they are all the same.
They won't vote for the BNP, Veritas, United Kingdom independence Party or the English Democrats, because they know these are minority fringe parties. Therefore many don't vote as they know their vote won't elect a fringe party and overturn the main three parties from power. This is the apathy that is running through Britain. The people whom I mentioned previously who don't vote, are casting their 'protest' vote at abstaining. Then there are a lot of people who simply are not interested in Politics and more interested in X-Factor, Big Brother or some other reality TV show, where the general public are portrayed as celebrities, although most definitely not.

This is the problem we face in the UK, PMK.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 12:02 PM

Richard the Lionheart:

I'm beginning to think that NuLabour may very well win for a third term.

Fourth term, actually. They won in 1997, 2001 and 2005.

I just think that the BNP will never be able to remove its bad press and stigmas.

I'm not sure if it's true (anecdotal evidence suggests that it is) but I've read that the National Union of Journalists has a commitment to never report favourably about the BNP. In practice this means that the press only prints negative articles about the BNP.

Here is a link to an article by the Libertarian Alliance which explains further the state's persecution of the BNP.

Two weeks ago Al-Beeb's Question Time programme came from Stoke-on-Trent, where the BNP has nine councillors. A Muslim member of the audience asked a question in which he expressed his alarm about the rise of the BNP in Stoke. It was of course in Stoke that a Muslim man murdered his BNP activist neighbour last year.

The producers of the programme must have known that such a question would arise yet no representative of the BNP was invited to defend the party. Consequently there was no debate as such, just a succession of PC/multiculti politicians and audience members condemning the BNP.

One member of the audience actually praised the BNP's councillors but his comment was ignored by the ranks of the self-righteous, as they collectively patted themselves on their backs in multicultural unity. That witch Clare Short said something along the lines of "we must remove the BNP from Stoke", thereby forgetting that the BNP is only in Stoke as a result of the democratic process.

Posted by: watling at October 29, 2008 12:03 PM

Hey, Grimreaperxxx! Good point concerning Jimmy Carter as I share your concern, and with good reason. Voting for Carter was a Dumb move, but voting for Obama will be even Dumber.

You'll like this one: Carter and Obama: Carbama! Ka-Boom! Yeah, that's what we're in for, an explosion of Change we really don't want - No thank you!

And I'm still laughing over your "Santa and his Elves" story last December, that was hilarious!!

Take care.

Posted by: champ at October 29, 2008 1:17 PM

Richard the Lionheart,

We have diehard Republicans and diehard Democrats. We have people who revere FDR and others who revere Ronald Reagan.
We also know that sometimes change is required.
It might be bad change but it's change.
Since 1856 (the first year Republicans ran against Democrats in presidential elections) we have had eras, for lack of a better term. In the course of forty years, the same party won seven elections. In almost every case the president brought his party into control of Congress. Even within those eras, we changed parties for one or two presidents. If you're not willing to vote for SOMEONE ELSE then there is no point in voting and no point in protesting your condition. Abstaining is not voting. It is not taking a stand. Refusing to vote means your voice won't be heard by ANYONE. It's counterproductive.
The Conservatives might have destroyed the economy but so did Democrats, here. We had double digit interest rates and double digit inflation under Jimmy Carter. Democrats weren't permanently damaged. They came back.
Wasn't Labour in the political wilderness for a long time after Thatcher and the Conservatives took power? They still came back. If Labour is the only party that can win a majority then you are doomed to a one-party state. That's not good.

Posted by: PMK at October 29, 2008 1:28 PM

NuLabour may very possibly win the next election as even though they were dead ducks in the Water, the Conservatives are just not what they used to be and an exceptionally weak party. They are much of the same of what NuLabour is as well as the Liberal Democrats. People know that they are all the same.
They won't vote for the BNP, Veritas, United Kingdom independence Party or the English Democrats, because they know these are minority fringe parties. Therefore many don't vote as they know their vote won't elect a fringe party and overturn the main three parties from power.

Richard,
NuLabour is weak. The conservatives are weak. The Liberal Democrats are weak. The fringe parties are weak. Everyone's weak or bad. You still have to make a choice.

Fringe parties can become majority parties. Too many people say there's no point in voting since their guy won't win. I call a vote for a fringe party or for the opposition party a protest, and it's far more effective than staying home. The three main parties are there because people vote for them. If more people were willing to vote for someone else, just take a chance, you might get real change. It doesn't mean the fringe candidate has to win but it might be enough to shake up the major parties. You never know unless you try.
I intend to vote for one of the "fringe" parties next week. I know it very likely won't change the results of this election. That's not the point. My vote is not being wasted. It is my voice in the election. It might be drowned out but it's no less valid than any other.
If I refuse to vote or if I vote for McCain or Obama just because one of them is likely to win, I am giving them a mandate that has not been earned.

Posted by: PMK at October 29, 2008 1:41 PM

Richard the Lionheart-

With regard to your assessment of the voting habits of the people of Liverpool, this Scouser begs to differ.

Since 1998, Liverpool City Council has been under the control of the Liberal Democrats. Since 1974, the control of the council has swung between Labour and 'no overall control'. You're right in that it will be a huge leap for us (as a city) to vote Conservative, but you're flat wrong about us being die hard Labourites. You may remember the Militant Tendency bunch between '83 and '87? They may have led the opposition to Thatcher then, but they also screwed our city and its economy and reputation by being hated by both Labour and Conservative alike. The people of Liverpool got screwed by way of being caught between the hammer and the anvil.

In 1998, we got fed up with being run by a bunch of incompetent Labour councillors and opted instead for the Lib Dems. Not a party you'd want running the country, but they do run our city a lot better than it was before. This does put a few holes in your assertion that we will vote Labour each and every time.

You may also wish to consider that, with the regeneration in Liverpool bringing in more and more wealth and opportunities, the people here are a lot more conservative (in their outlook) than you think. The reticence we have for voting Conservative harks back to Thatcher using a sledgehammer to crack a nut when dealing with Derek Hatton and his bunch of Trotskyite loons; as I said, everybody felt the hammer blow and that sort of equates to screwing us all to get at the Trots. We also have long memories for that sort of thing and don't forgive readily. The same goes for the idiot Trots on the other side of the fence; Labour isn't getting off the hook for that one either.

Your theory on Ken Bigley leaves much to be desired, so let me set you very straight on that right now: The general consensus on Ken Bigley was one of "What the hell was he doing there, in a war zone filled with every kind of extremist nutter you could imagine, in the first place?"

Be that as it may, the support we showed here was not so much for Ken Bigley as it was for his family who still lived here. You may have noticed that we're rather clannish? That manifested itself as sympathy for a Liverpool family who had had to endure not only the violent death of one of their own, but also had to fend off the media attention turned on them in the aftermath of his death. I literally live a stones theow away from his family home and remember well the snarling that would be reporters were subjected to if they so much as looked like they were going to impose themselves on their grief.

I don't know if you just have a penchant for tarting up your rhetoric mate, but if 'anyone' so much as suggested that march you were alluding to there would be, as we say here, "A F***in' riot" and whomsoever suggested it would be best advised to stay out of Liverpool for all time thereafter. As I said: Long memories and we can hold grudges for centuries.

To finish, you may also wish to consider that Labour has suffered some unprecedented losses in recent by-elections, notably Glasgow East which was 'THE' Labour stronghold.

Posted by: Wishbone at October 29, 2008 2:50 PM

Watling,

I stand corrected, yes, it was a slip of the thought process, I forgot that we were in the 3rd term of NuLabour.
Incidentally I have read the article by Dr Gabb on the Libertarian Alliance and I agreed with it very much. The BNP is a legitimate Political Party who's manifesto without a doubt favours the W.A.S.P.s of society certainly, but can never be called a Racist Party as it's manifesto is most certainly not.
I was very much disgusted when Mr Cobain infiltrated their party, gained their trust and then acted as a spy, worse still on a mission to destroy people who had done nothing wrong in their lives, except vote for a political party he disagreed with.
I am more and more become inclined to vote for the BNP, out of a matter of principle. If a party/'s decide to try and run another party out of town and demonise its supporters, then I would, for the sake of liberty, stand by and support them. The more I read of the BNP the more I agree with their policies, but I am still anticipating alternatives.
I was also apalled at the murder of Keith Brown at the hands of Habib Khan and stared in bewilderment at his pathetic sentence of 8 years(probably will be released after serving 5 years or less).

I have given up on the BBC and especially Question Time. We know it's always going to be full of PC, multiculturalism, luvvies, as to not be would be a serious breach of Political Correctness. We also know as well that politicians will never answer the questions, so what really is the point in QT, apart from, that is, painting the true picture of what politicians really are? I only watch the BBC for Casualty and Holby City, as everything else is really quite pathetic. It was previously "Blair's Bullsh*t Corporation" and that has now changed to "Brown's Bullsh*t Corporation".

However, I do feel that all this bad publicity will actually play into the BNP's hands and all I'm hoping for is that come election time the BNP do make considerable gains, then those parties in power will realise that they'd better stop ignoring the White Elephants in the centre of the room or else their political careers will be on a one way ticket to Oblivion.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 3:59 PM

Wishbone,

Liberal, NuLabour....what's the difference apart from name?
I stand corrected to my earlier post on Liverpool being a die hard Labour stronghold, but in all due respect, as above, what really is the difference to Labour and Liberal Democrats? What really will Liberal Dems do to stop the massive flow of immigration, growth of Islam and destruction of Britain's sovereignty?(not saying Tory would do much either).
I made the point about Labour and a march through the centre for Al Qaeda as some sarcasm and nothing more.
I always new of Liverpool to be anti Tory and a battle between Labour and Liberal Democrats. However, as I previously said, with Left Wing ideology and indoctrination within the Education system, it won't be long before Liverpool is yet again voting Labour, that is if they can be bothered voting at all.
Last but not least, I don't think you have noticed, but SNP are losing their lead back to NuLabour again. I don't know if it's because Scottish people see that the SNP will completely ruin Scotland and that Labour will stop the breakup of the Union or that they can see Brown's economic strategy favours them more, but one thing's for sure, like Liverpool, Scotland will never vote Tory.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 4:23 PM

PMK,

I forgot to mention in my last post that although you stated that Labour were in the Wilderness, for a while during the Thatcher Years, what people have forgotten is that NuLabour changed themselves or should I say, they changed the name, fooled people into believing that they'd got rid of their Socialist/Communist element and not forgetting, promoting their new Whiter than White promises and to remove sleaze from Politics. It was of course nothing more lies and a case of "We're in power, let's start shafting the country, destroy the concept of Britishness, create a Multicultural love in and show as much contempt for the British people as we can."
Yet still people continue to vote for Labour.

The problem we have with Conservative is that they are no longer a Conservative Party. They have re-invented themselves as a Socialist Democratic Party as their policies are certainly not Conservative, that's for sure.
The Conservatives(in name only) are weak. Their leader, David Cameron, is weak. They have realised(badly) that in order to get power they have taken the motto - "If you can't beat 'em join 'em."

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 29, 2008 6:34 PM

Richard the Lionheart-

The difference, at least at city council level, is that our city is run better and that's what counts in local and regional voting.

At national level, I basically agree with a lot of what you say. There's not a lot of difference between the parties, insofar as a willingness to face important issues such as you mention head on is concerned. Melanie Phillips wrote an article a little while back, don't have a link, but her basic premise was essentially that the position of the mystical holy grail that is the 'middle ground', on the left to right scale of British politics, had itself shifted significantly to the left as a result of ten years of Labour's meddling policies. The Tories, in the process of getting their political act back together again, have themselves gone down that road of putting a smarmy salesman up front to sell their vision of this middle ground to the electorate. The problem being that the middle ground they're fighting for is now actually on the left and the fact seems to have disastrously escaped the lot of them. This leaves the electorate with two choices (forget the LibDems): Labour lefties, or Conservatives who've swung so far left of their usual position on that scale that you have to wonder that they have the right to call themselves 'conservatives' at all. Her assessment was pretty much spot on.

We're enjoying a pretty decent time of it in Liverpool, with the massive regeneration and development work that's still ongoing, coupled with the capital of culture celebrations. A lot of good work (and the odd bloody great cock-up) has gone into the planning and the council is doing well from that. What you say may be one day, but for now we're more or less happy with the way things are under the LibDems.

The SNP is slipping as all that nationalistic rhetoric is wearing thin with the Jockinese electorate. That and the current economic uncertanties have ensured that, should Scotland go independant, they'd be bankrupt before you could boil an egg. Just as you say, they won't vote Tory; the novelty will be over with the SNP and it will be back to voting for Labour again, just like Dad did and forty-nine generations before him.

Bollocks, isn't it? Don't rely on politics to change the established merry-go-round. Events will do that, not politics.

As per your following post: When Labour sold themselves to the electorate with Tony Blair at the helm, they managed the absolutely impossible: They actually succeeded in polishing a turd; then rode into government over the bloody corpses of a beaten Tory party. Not only did they polish a turd, but with Blair it was gold plated.

So what did we have?.... A leader who was popular enough with the electorate so as to become immune to a lot of the backstabbing politics within the party and act as he wished in many respects. They got to him in the end though, so off he went. Now that the gold plating is gone, what's left? Just a turd and Labour know it.

Posted by: Wishbone at October 29, 2008 7:28 PM

hey champ
thanks for the kind word, and the joke

Carter and Obama: Carbama! Ka-Boom! Yeah, that's what we're in for, an explosion of Change we really don't want - No thank you!

Here in Ca. I am predicting a margin of victory for Obama of at least 60% Obama 39 % Mc Cain with 1 or 2% for Nader, Paul and the others.

when you go out trick or treating tommorrow, dont take any ICD's (improvised candy cane devices) as they are almost 11 months old.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx at October 30, 2008 1:59 AM

Wishbone,

What I've been trying to state in many of my posts on JW, on the British Political/Education system is that our society has been seriously damaged by the Left Wing.
Islam, until they have their own party, will vote Labour or, down in London, the Respect Party. Immigrants will vote for NuLabour, as they allowed them into the Country. The children of immigrants will vote NuLabour along with their children. In fact, it really wouldn't make any difference if they voted for Conservative or Liberal as they're all the same really, all socialism swayed politicians eager to get their snouts in the trough, especially when news out yesterday tells us that Blair has made 12 million since leaving office.
Melanie Phillips is one of the few Journalists I care to read, along with Peter Hitchens, both of the Mail. I tend to body swerve that newspaper, not just for the fact that it's trapped in Celebrity Gossip Hell but also because of it's sensationalism approach to many articles. It also 'pretends' to be a newspaper for the British people, yet it's all hypocrisy. It will publish articles on immigration and Islam, but any comments on stories that criticise immigrants/Islam or bite too deep they won't publish. They won't allow the British people to truthfully speak, without heavy censorship.
You are correct, that the SNP will lose and Labour will take back the helm in Scotland, for the simple reason as you state that Scotland under the SNP will collapse and that Scottish people are now beginning to realise that it cannot survive, especially without England's finance. The SNP may be introducing 'free this and that' but that's only because it's being subsidised by the English taxpayer.

This year, my vote will be for either the EDP, Veritas, UKIP or the BNP. I've had enough of the lies and the spin from Tory and NuLabour and Liberal would be no different. You are correct that NuLabour were a gold plated turd and now are merely a polished one, but it's still helped Blair, a man responsible for the destruction of the UK, its reputation abroad and of course the deaths of thousands of Iraqis and hundreds of British Servicemen and women. I'm sick to the stomach thinking this man's living the 'life if Larry' while he's made the lives of millions unbearable, at home and abroad.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 30, 2008 2:27 AM

Richard,
The Thatcher years made Labour morph into NuLabour?
We had pretty much the same thing here. The Reagan/Bush years made Democrats look for a way to elect presidents. Bill Clinton and others formed the Democratic Leadership Conference (DLC). They called themselves new Democrats. Americans wanted leaders who would defend the country and control spending. The DLC Democrats stopped blaming America for the wrongs of the world and they promised to control spending and defend the US against its enemies.
Bill Clinton and Al Gore, two DLC veterans, were elected in 1992 (with an assist from Ross Perot). One of the first things they came up with was a massive tax increase and they followed it up with a national health care plan - vintage Democrat. They lost Congress in 1994 but Clinton remained in the WH. They managed to turn GOP spending cuts into a lack of caring for the poor. After 2000, the liberals came out of hiding and have been pretty much running the Democratic Party. The DLC is all but irrelevant.

Posted by: PMK at October 30, 2008 1:41 PM

PMK,

I'm reading up in American Politics and finding it somewhat interesting to say the least so I am still quite new to the whole thing. I am digging deeper to find out the alternatives to Republican and Democrat as here in the UK, the media only talks of two. Most people in the UK would believe there are only two Political Parties in the USA.
Yes, Labour metamorphosed into NuLabour. The success of NuLabour with them being looked upon as the party that was going to 'save' the UK, was also shared by the Conservatives, when they replaced Labour, who had destroyed the country in the 70's under Callaghan. They were welcomed into power and change certainly did start. There was a period of boom in the UK but then along came the bust. Thatcher and the Conservatives were responsible for Privatisation, the selling off of British Institutions, rising debt and house costs etc etc. They all started it. The people in the UK were fed up. Unemployment was high, people wanted a change and they looked to Labour who, during the Thatcher Years under Michael Foot and Neil Kinnock, never had any chance of ever winning. However, along came John Smith, another Scotsman who really started to change the Labour Party and bring it into the light. He started to pose a real threat and a challenge to the Conservatives, he was hailed as becoming the next Prime Minister, but unfortunately due to an untimely death, that was never meant to be. Queue Tony Blair and an election within Labour and voila, in he came, with his spin and rhetoric all neatly covered over with his excellent ability of oratory. They won the election in '97, in fact, they completely destroyed the Conservatives and they suffered, I think their heaviest defeat. So what happened was that in the 70's Labour destroyed the UK. In the 80's Thatcher took over and started sorting out the country again but inevitably the party started in fighting, people weren't happy with the Conservative views on Europe and it split into two camps, those for and those against Europe. They then of course got rid of Thatcher and brought in John Major, who lost the election in '97 and then resigned. From a Labour Party that had no chance of getting in with its high Socialist/Communist Element, it changed into a more Liberal Labour party, although everyone can see that it's full of socialists, especially from many of the policies they make. NuLabour started enjoying the same success that Conservative had when Thatcher won the election in '79, ironically taking over from a then pathetic Labour party.

It all moves in circles and no one's cottoned on to this yet, which is a pity.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at October 30, 2008 2:18 PM

when you go out trick or treating tommorrow, dont take any ICD's (improvised candy cane devices) as they are almost 11 months old.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx

LOL!! Good one!

Posted by: champ at October 30, 2008 4:06 PM

Here in Ca. I am predicting a margin of victory for Obama of at least 60% Obama 39 % Mc Cain with 1 or 2% for Nader, Paul and the others.

Posted by: GrimReaperxxx

I am a CA resident too, so my McCain bumper sticker stands out like a sore thumb. Last month I saw a CA license plate that read: OBAMA 08 - a LICENSE PLATE mind you, along with a collection of bumper stickers, so some people are total whacks. Hey, we get it, you're pro-O! Sheesh.

Posted by: champ at October 30, 2008 4:37 PM