Given the nature of Mohammedanism and Sharia Law, why would any one want to be a tourist in any country that followed it's dictates even as a "secular" country? Just stay away from them and keep them out of your own countries, end all "aid" (a.k.a. Jizya) or "trade" and let them have their Islamic peace they seek by themselves.

Posted by: senor doeboy at November 9, 2008 8:31 AM

Given the nature of Mohammedanism and Sharia Law, why would any one want to be a tourist in any country that followed it's dictates even as a "secular" country? Just stay away from them and keep them out of your own countries, end all "aid" (a.k.a. Jizya) or "trade" and let them have their Islamic peace they seek by themselves.

Posted by: senor doeboy at November 9, 2008 8:32 AM

"Mr Ali Faukzi, head of the prison, sent a text message to relatives saying: 'They are with the Almighty."

LOL That's funny. These people are so self-deluded a centipede has greater cognition.

So, continue on with worshipping your Murder god that doesn't exist. You people are pitiful.

Posted by: darcy at November 9, 2008 9:26 AM

Western observers in both villages were verbally abused as 'infidels' and ordered to leave immediately.

And don't go back, even if they beg you to.

Western tourists in Indonesia - particularly those in Bali - have been warned to be on the highest alert.

Western tourists are still going to Bali?
Fool me once....

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 9:38 AM

a 500-strong crowd unleashed their fury
They cried for a holy war and threatened to avenge the deaths of 'our brothers'.
-from the article

500-strong. The "tiny minority of extremists" on full display.
Isn't that what we'll hear from the media?
"Only" 500 people in the world's most populous Muslim country. That's not so bad, is it?

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 9:44 AM

It's too bad there's likely no practical way to mass-arrest(or attack) a crowd of Jihadist-supporters like this. Every time I see a protest like this, whether in Pakistan or other places, I'm thinking "Hey, a whole bunch of criminals, all in one spot! Why not just take them all out now? Or at least cordon them off and arrest them?" It kills me to see these people rant and scream about the future killing they intend to do , and afterwards just walk away. Any intelligent country would find a better way to deal with this.

Posted by: robertkjjj at November 9, 2008 9:45 AM

I can kill you but Allah has not given you the right to kill me apparently.

Did these killers determine that all of the 202 people they murdered in the name of Allah were infidels?

Did they believe that it is okay to kill infidels?

Where the infidels given a chance to pay the jizya tax?

Where the infidels given an opportunity to convert to Islam?

Do they qualify for their 72 virgins?

Can we get clear and justified answers for these murders from Cleric Abu Bakar Bashir that are in keeping with the teachings in the Quran and hadith?

Posted by: Mackie at November 9, 2008 9:46 AM

"There are now fears that supporters of Amrozi, Mukhlas and Samudra, will carry out reprisal attacks."

reprisal attacks?...heck, they will just continue their attacks just as they have been doing for a long time....Muslims will use any excuse they can to justify an attack...Muslims are in love with the sight of flowing blood...especially Infidel blood...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 9, 2008 9:50 AM

I've known several non-Muslim Americans who wax eloquent about the great service, cheap luxury hotels, and beaches in Indonesia. That's all it takes to make them deaf and blind to the murderous, bigoted nature at the heart of Islamic Indonesia.

Posted by: Max Publius at November 9, 2008 9:50 AM

Obviously, this trouble is the responsibility of the West in general, and the US, in particular.

If we would crack down on our tourism policy, we could save precious lives among the faithful. Unbridled tourism is at fault, here.

The notion that anyone may, at any time, visit resorts and beaches in another country is balderdash! We need to adopt stronger, yes, even draconian measures against tourism, to see that innocent boys like these don't need to die for their crimes.

Now: Can someone answer a couple of questions for me? The first--Why is it okay to drape a dead body (najis, in the extreme) with a cloth bearing verses from the Qur'an, yet it's worth threats and lawsuits when a trademark design on cups of ice cream seem to vaguely resemble Arabic script for "Allah"?

Second--Isn't it a bit heretical for anyone to say with certainty that a dead person's soul has gone to "Allah"? That's a Protestant Christian belief, isn't it? These men died ignoble deaths as criminals. A true believer in "Allah and his Messenger" shouldn't even think that these "men" have gone straight to "Allah", let alone say so for the record.

Posted by: Abscedere at November 9, 2008 9:53 AM

Hey, I thought being a martyr is supposed to be the highest honor, so what's everyone so mad about?

You just can't please some people.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 9, 2008 9:57 AM

Think about this

This whole execution affair is just one big set up.

Now figure that out.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at November 9, 2008 10:02 AM

Australia has been trying to covertly discourage people from going to Bali since the bombing. I am not entirely up to date but while visiting Oz over the last couple of years I did notice a push to stay in country on holiday. Not a direct peep about shunning Bali though... Not PC ya know... BTW this was in Western Australia (relatively close proximity to Bali) which is VERY conservative so one would think that the topic would come up in day to day discussion. Again not a peep from the people like you and me. People still go there in droves from all over Oz...

Lan astalem,

GoingThere

Posted by: GoingThere at November 9, 2008 10:33 AM

Ooops, "...not a peep from the people like you and me..." was meant to point towards regular people on the streets NOT "VERY conservative" people.

Lan astalem,

GoingThere

Posted by: GoingThere at November 9, 2008 10:36 AM

The real reason these jihadists were executed was because they created bad publicity for the Indonesian government, which is a very different reason from killing non-Muslims as Mohammad demanded and the Indonesian government supports, so long was it is done without negative economic reprecussions at home.

Posted by: Max Publius at November 9, 2008 10:36 AM

I've known several non-Muslim Americans who wax eloquent about the great service, cheap luxury hotels, and beaches in Indonesia. That's all it takes to make them deaf and blind to the murderous, bigoted nature at the heart of Islamic Indonesia.

by max publius

I wonder how many of these people were among the self-righteous who demanded we boycott South Africa during apartheid. What does every Muslim-ruled country engage in if not apartheid of one form or another?

They're deaf and blind...until a member of their family is killed, that is.
My answer to them would be: caveat emptor.
You think it's cheap but all that luxury at those low rates has a hidden sticker price and you just might be the one whose number comes up and is required to pay up - with your life. C'est la vie.

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 10:41 AM

Solution: Round up the protesters and lock 'em up.

I'm Draconian that way.

Posted by: Goob at November 9, 2008 10:41 AM

Leaving Australia to vacation in Indonesia is like leaving Hawaii to vacation in Somalia.

Posted by: Max Publius at November 9, 2008 10:42 AM

The cult of anger strikes again. As Mackie points out, they don't even adhere to their own warped sense of what is right.

As punishment, I hope some day they really do understand the depths of hatred and stupidity they have descended to. God is great, but not in the ways these people may think...

Posted by: blangwort at November 9, 2008 10:45 AM

This scenario has been played out so many times it is becoming fodder for jokes, murderer pays for crimes, is executed, the funeral becomes a recruitment drive for more murderers.

The usual canard is that Islam is an Abrahamic faith just like Christianity and Judaism, lets see in Judaism there is the sitting of shiva as part of the mourning, in Christianity there is the eulogy and the internment, in Islam there is the riot and the threats for more murder. Oh I see, they are all so similar.

When the ayatollah Khomeini died the crowds jostled his corpse out of his coffin and body surfed it through the crowd as they chanted murder and threats, proof that Islam thinks outside the box.

When Muslim group a hates muslim group b, funerals are good times to set off more bombs, proof that a muslim funeral can be a bigger blast than an irish wake.

The repetition of the use of funerals to whip up hatred and recruit more murderers for the cause of death would lead me to think the best policy to pursue would be to inter executed murderers from the death and murder cult in some remote parts, it could be done in accord with their official rites, but then the ritual would not become part of the recruiting drive for murder.

Certainly rumors would fly that the murderers were buried in pigskins or some other thing that an evil imagination would imagine, but nobody should be responsible for the evil imaginations of others.

Posted by: stickman at November 9, 2008 10:46 AM

A true believer in "Allah and his Messenger" shouldn't even think that these "men" have gone straight to "Allah", let alone say so for the record.

Posted by: Abscedere

But doesn't the Koran say "happy are those who kill and are killed for Allah"?

This would suggest that their execution by the state is almost an act of martyrdom. After all, they were killed for practicing their religion.

It's a vicious circle.

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 10:46 AM

Muslims who protest the executions of convicted Muslim mass murderers must in fact, endorse the Murders and the Islamic teachings that allow it...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 9, 2008 10:47 AM

Truth in Indonesian tourist advertising:

"We've still got a few unpolluted beaches, and the odds are pretty good we won't kill you."

Posted by: Max Publius at November 9, 2008 10:55 AM

Truth in Indonesian tourist advertising:

"We've still got a few unpolluted beaches, and the odds are pretty good we won't kill you."

max publius,

That's one heck of an advertising slogan!

I'll settle for: New Jersey and you: perfect together.

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 10:58 AM

They should have been imprisoned for life. Executing people who think they are going to heaven doesn't really seem like a punishment to me.

Jail them until they repent, or until they die of old age.

The death penalty is stupid and barbaric and only serves the recruitment campaigns of the Islamists.

Posted by: NeverAMuslim at November 9, 2008 11:00 AM

Abscedere and PMK,
I was thinking along the same lines. These guys are supposed to now be in Paradise, enjoying the 72 virgins and/or boys-like-pearls. One would think this would be an occasion for rejoicing and celebration, not violence and threats.

Posted by: ebonystone at November 9, 2008 11:17 AM

Islamic Love for ALLAH...ha!

youtube.com/watch?v=qm02UAgEJFs

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 9, 2008 11:18 AM

And I get accused of insulting all Muslims by quoting Mohammed.

Posted by: Amillennialist at November 9, 2008 11:19 AM

"Jail them until they repent, or until they die of old age." -- NeverAMuslim

What makes you think they would ever repent? They are heroes in their own eyes, and in the eyes of their peers. Their ideology only reinforces that.

They would have the rest of their lives to recruit hundreds of followers, all of whom could then be killers.

In other words, they would be living on the dole, recruiting at will, and multiplying their evil impact many times.

"The death penalty is stupid and barbaric and only serves the recruitment campaigns of the Islamists." -- NeverAMuslim

What else would you do with them? Kill them immediately on their capture? I could go with that.

RSI

Posted by: RedStateInfidel at November 9, 2008 11:26 AM

I don't understand why so many people are so gaga over Islam. In Indonesia, it's wrecking the tourist industry. And what do you get for hating Infidels? There's no jizya in it, I tell you.
Remember, the lack of perceived benefits ultimately doomed Communism. It will do the same for Islam.

Posted by: jewdog at November 9, 2008 11:29 AM

Death is too good for them. Sure, they'll never do it again and if you're a 'God botherer' you'll be of the opinion that there will be some sort of penance to endure on 'the other side' or perhaps the atheist will satisfy themselves with the idea that there will be a quick black oblivion after the gunshots, either way the end comes to us all eventually.
Personally I'd have them chained to a wall by the ear, nose and throat until their time comes to shuffle off the mortal coil at which point, after years of misery, the truth of the 'afterlife' would be revealed to them either way.
I'd have this fate for any murderer or molester, just in case I'm mistaken for an Islamophobe type.

Posted by: Jihadtobejoking at November 9, 2008 11:36 AM

"Remember, the lack of perceived benefits ultimately doomed Communism. It will do the same for Islam.

Posted by: jewdog

Communists perceived benefits while living...Muslims perceive benefits upon dying...Which makes Muslims much more dangerous than Communists...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 9, 2008 11:38 AM

"Only 500 demonstrators"...

Out of them how many would be willing to either plant a bomb or strap one on & do the same as their "fallen" brethren?

Say only 1/5 of them?

Another 100 more would be Bali bombers in waiting.

The problem is probably worse than even us alarmists are decrying concerning Islam.

Posted by: revparadigm at November 9, 2008 11:47 AM

Right Pulsar. But how long can afterlife benefits alone motivate people?

Posted by: jewdog at November 9, 2008 11:53 AM

Posted by: robertkjjj

It's too bad there's likely no practical way to mass-arrest(or attack) a crowd of Jihadist-supporters like this.

There is a way, but there is no will

Firstly.
In November 2000 the Laskar Jihad militia announced, "We intend during this Ramadan to . . . carry out various activities paving the way for full shari'a at least in places that have now become exclusively Islam, such as the islands of Ternate, Tidore and Bacan." This implies religious cleansing of Christians from those regions.

The town of Poso in Central Sulawesi once had a population of 40,000, mostly Christians. By the end of 2002, its reduced population of 5000 was exclusively Muslim, and all of its churches were destroyed. Reports of the Laskar Jihad's operations in Ambon and Sulawesi describe systematic progress through villages and towns using bulldozers, petrol tankers, rocket launchers and other military hardware. Villages are looted, burnt out and razed to the ground.

The Laskar Jihad has fighters from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the Philippines.

Indonesia Presidet Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, in 2002 while acting as Indonesia's top political and security minister, said of them "They also play a role in defending truth and justice that is expected by Muslims in Indonesia. For me, as far as what they are doing is legal and not violating the law, then this is OK."

Secondly
Should the police really clamp down on these loonies, then there would be such an uproar from human rights groups and governments globally, that the police risk loosing their golden calve.
One must not forget the Bali bombing is big bucks for the Indonesian police. Indonesia's police are doing very nicely, thank you very much, out of the war on terror. They now have all the latest equipment, courtesy of the millions of dollars pouring in from the West.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at November 9, 2008 12:04 PM

How do we explain the behavior of these people?

While I am not a psychiatrist, I am coming to believe that many islamic practioners are necrophiles. Belief in islam seems to lead to a perverse sexual attraction to death and corpses, which is expressed for jihadi by self destruction seeking sex or corpses or their heavenly substitutes.

Rosman and Resnick (1989) theorized that either of the following situations could be antecedents to necrophilia:

1. The necrophile develops poor self-esteem, perhaps due in part to a significant loss (or in islam's case and my opinion a significant social stigma to birth and death and the perverse demands made by allah on the living according to Mohammed and the hadith;
(a) He/she is very fearful of rejection by women/men to be arranged for he/she and he/she seeks instead a sexual partner (or in my opinion and in islam's case the dead or to be dead infidel) who is incapable of rejecting him/her; and/or
(b) He/she is fearful of the dead, and transforms his/her fear — by means of reaction formation — into a desire.

2. The necrophile develops an exciting fantasy of sex with a corpse, sometimes after exposure to a corpse (or in my opinion in anticipation of the corpse or corpses).

The authors reported that, of their sample of 'necrophiliacs,':

- 68 percent were motivated by a desire for an unresisting and unrejecting partner;
-21 percent by a want for reunion with a lost partner (perhaps fantasy partener);
-15 percent by sexual attraction to dead people;
-15 percent by a desire for comfort or to overcome feelings of isolation; and
-11 percent by a desire to remedy low self-esteem by expressing power over a corpse (pp. 159).

At the end of their own report, Rosman and Resnick wrote that their study should only be used as spring-board for further research.

Islamic culture may lend itself as a laboratory location to study necrophiliacs.

According to Herodutus, a practice originated among ancient Egyptians to discourage men who perform the funerary customs to have sex with their charges. Herodotus wrote in his Histories that, left deceased beautiful women to decay for "three or four days" before giving them to the embalmers.

We need more research into the psychosis of necrophia in the muslim world. It seems to be a systemic problem.

Posted by: David England at November 9, 2008 12:15 PM

Randy Newman once said:

No one likes us i don't know why
We may not be perfect but heaven knows we try

But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money but are they grateful ?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful

They don't respect us so lets suprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europes too old
Africa is far too hot and Canada's too cold (myth)
and South America stole our name

Let's drop the big one, there will be no one left to blame

We'll save Australia don't wanna hurt no Kangaroo
We'll build an all American amusement park there they got surfin too

Boom goes London and boom Paree (Bali)
More room for you and more room for me

And every city the whole world round
Will be just another American town

Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free

You'll wear a Japanese kimono and there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow, so lets drop the big one now!

Posted by: haramfidel at November 9, 2008 12:21 PM

Then, seconds before bullets struck, they cried out 'Allahu Akbar' - God is Great.

Well, they are 'up there' with Allah now, shaking hands, getting pats on the back for a job well done.
Allah himself will take them by the hand, and escort them to their own personal massage parlor, with 72 message therapists anxious to sooth away all pressing desires.

Allah thinks of everything, 'boys pure as pearls', fruit, lakes wine that won't get you drunk, dope that won't get you doped, A wonderful Paradise that lasts forever...

There is only one thing wrong.

The couch is lumpy and has a spring sticking out in just the wrong place.

None of the virgins will lay down on it...

And they said Allah has no sense of humor...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 9, 2008 12:30 PM

"They should have been imprisoned for life."

Posted by: NeverAMuslim

That would be o.k. by me if it truly was for life. But considering the situation in Indonesia, it likely would not be. A new regime, anxious to curry favor with the Islamists, might parole or even pardon them after only a few years. Just remember what Slick Willie did in the last days of his administration. Or an "escape" might be arranged, with corrupt or sympathetic officials looking the other way.

Posted by: ebonystone at November 9, 2008 12:33 PM

I was glad to see it reported on last night's news as "three jihadi's were executed".

Calling a spade a spade.

Posted by: gymgal at November 9, 2008 1:28 PM

Right Pulsar. But how long can afterlife benefits alone motivate people?

Posted by: jewdog

If they perceive this life as hopeless or without merit, it would seem forever. Who will prove them wrong? They won't know the truth until it's too late (if then).
The failures of Soviet Communism were on display for all to see but it still took decades for the process of implosion to be realized.
The failures of Islam are blamed on the enemies of Allah. Islam's success (as in conquest) is Allah's will. Muslims' successes are their own. Their failures are our fault. They turn failure into success through jihad.
It probably will not change unless they give up Islam or the non-Muslim world crushes them completely. You almost need a Stalin, someone totally ruthless and not impressed in the least by Islam and not giving a fig what Muslims think or what anybody else thinks.

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 1:42 PM

"Western tourists are still going to Bali?
Fool me once...."

Posted by: PMK

Actually, that would be "fool me twice" -- since Bali was attacked two times by terrorists.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at November 9, 2008 2:39 PM

" Right Pulsar. But how long can afterlife benefits alone motivate people?"

Posted by: jewdog

1400 years, and still going strong -- in fact, only getting worse now.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at November 9, 2008 2:44 PM

"" Right Pulsar. But how long can afterlife benefits alone motivate people?"

Posted by: jewdog

1400 years, and still going strong -- in fact, only getting worse now."

Religious types have been suckering the gullible for a lot longer than 1400 with promises of "a better place."

Posted by: give me doughnuts at November 9, 2008 3:09 PM

DenverRodeo,

Bali was attacked twice (I only remember the one in 2002) and people continue to go there? Crazy!

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 3:47 PM

DenverRodeo,
I did a search and found the 2005 bombings. Totally forgotten them.
It had to be only a partial list but the article also had links to stories about bombings in 2000. Before Bush took office. Clinton was so popular, wasn't he?

Al Qaeda and JI bombed the Jakarta Stock Exchange in September and about a dozen churches around Christmas. They target Christian tourists, in places other than Bali.

The US long ago issued a travel alert, warning against unnecessary travel to Indonesia. Stay away!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Bali_bombings

Posted by: PMK at November 9, 2008 4:08 PM

It's too bad there's likely no practical way to mass-arrest(or attack) a crowd of Jihadist-supporters like this. Every time I see a protest like this, whether in Pakistan or other places, I'm thinking "Hey, a whole bunch of criminals, all in one spot! Why not just take them all out now? Or at least cordon them off and arrest them?" It kills me to see these people rant and scream about the future killing they intend to do , and afterwards just walk away. Any intelligent country would find a better way to deal with this.

There is. It's called bioweapons and homemade missiles to carry such munitions. Technological trends point to the advent of desktop manufacturing and guess what, Indonesia is extrememly vulnerable to such an attack, more so than the West (the West has good sanitation systems). The portent for this was the sending of faux anthrax powder to the Indonesian embassy in Australia after Indonesia showed leniency to some of the Bali bombers while jailing an Australian nearly for life for having a tiny bag of pot. Richard Fernandez on the belmont club blog went into detail on this, calling the phenomenon "the Fourth Conjecture". Look it up on the web, it's an eye opener. The jihadists are in for a surprise.

Posted by: R.A.W. at November 9, 2008 5:01 PM

The death penalty is stupid and barbaric and only serves the recruitment campaigns of the Islamists.

Posted by: NeverAMuslim at November 9, 2008 11:00 AM

No, the DP is perfectly legitimate for those who kill other people.

It's Mohammedans who are "stupid and barbaric."

Posted by: darcy at November 9, 2008 5:25 PM

David England

re. necrophilia - have you ever read M Scott Peck's book 'People of the Lie', which focuses on individual and group evil from a psychologist/s perspective?

I've mentioned it on various occasions in this forum, but it is well worth posting again in connection with your remarks on necrophilia.

Here is the passage in which Peck offers a tentative description of 'evil' and what he calls, following Fromm, the 'necrophiliac' (evil) personality. It makes for eerie reading for anyone who has started to get a handle on the full ugliness of the teachings and practice of Islam...the more so because Peck formulated it in complete unawareness of Islamic teachings or history.

- M Scott Peck: People of the Lie – the Hope for Healing Human Evil (1983; Arrow Paperback 1990).

From the chapter entitled ‘Toward a Psychology of Evil’, pp. 46-47:

"Evil is in opposition to life. It is that which opposes the life force. It has, in short, to do with killing. Specifically, it has to do with murder – namely, unnecessary killing, killing that is not required for biological survival…

"When I say that evil has to do with killing, I do not mean to/ restrict myself to corporeal murder.

"Evil is also that which kills spirit. There are various essential attributes of life – particularly human life – such as sentience, mobility, awareness, growth, autonomy, will.

" It is possible to kill or attempt to kill one of these attributes without actually destroying the body. Thus we may ‘break’ a horse or even a child without harming a hair on its head.

"Erich Fromm was acutely sensitive to this fact when he broadened the definition of necrophilia to include the desire of certain people to control others – to make them controllable, to foster their dependence, to discourage their capacity to think for themselves, to diminish the unpredictability and originality, to keep them in line.

"Distinguishing it from the ‘biophilic’ person, one who appreciates and fosters the variety of life forms and the uniqueness of the individual,

"he [Fromm] demonstrated a ‘necrophilic character type’, whose aim it is to avoid the inconvenience of life by transforming others into obedient automatons, robbing them of their humanity [Erich Fromm, The Heart of Man (Harper & Rose, 1964)].

"Evil, then, for the moment, is that force, residing either inside or outside of human beings, that seeks to kill life or liveliness. And goodness is its opposite.

" Goodness is that which promotes life and liveliness.”

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 9, 2008 6:49 PM

David -

It strikes me that the explicit preference for pedophilia in Islamic societies, and the prevalence of bestiality and rape, and the absorption and perpetuation of FGM by Muslims in Africa, are all of a piece with the prevalence of necrophilia. The common thread is the exaltation of Power, or of the Will to Power.

The woman whose clitoris has been cut out by the roots, the child-bride, the unfortunate goat or sheep, the rape victim and the corpse, all ensure that the Muslim male's exercise of Total Domination, in the area of sex, is as perfect as possible. Corpses and animals don't talk back; the rape victim or the child can be hurt and humiliated and terrorised into silence; the mutilated woman can't make demands her husband might not be able to fulfil. It's all about 'stacking the decks' in order to ensure the maximum inequality between the Muslim male and the one upon whom he asserts his will.

It's a reflection, in the bedroom, of the Islamic principle that 'allah' has no partner.

To understand how radically different are the assumptions that underlie 'the West', just watch the following four films: Kieslowski's black comedy 'Three Colours: White'; Peter Weir's 'Fearless', in which two fierce, smart, gutsy and sharp-tongued women gradually drag the 'undead' and dangerously deluded male protagonist back to planet earth; Luc Besson's space opera 'The Fifth Element'; and a fantasy epic, 'Stardust'.

At the climactic (in every sense) moments of 'White', 'Fifth Element' and 'Stardust' a woman's pleasure (not simply physical pleasure, but pure joy) literally lights up the screen; indeed in 5th Element and Stardust, the subliminal message is 'Hey guys, make your woman *really* *really* happy and ... you might save the world!". The men are on a mission to serve, release - and rejoice in! - female energy. In 5th Element, very early on, the female heroine tells the male: 'Never without my permission' - and it's clear that he accepts that.

In the final sequence of 'Fearless' the wife, played by Isabella Rosselini, resuscitates her husband in a scene that re-enacts Genesis 2: 7; it's no coincidence her name is 'Laura', l'aura, breath, a breeze, breath of life...ruach Adonai. At the beginning of the film, in a 'living death' state of total alienation, the man who has survived a plane crash speaks to his reflection: 'you're not dead'. Throughout the film it's implied that, since the crash, he has not been to bed with his wife and that this is making her more and more frustrated, bewildered and angry. At the end, after his wife has breathed life back into him, he shouts, 'I'm alive!!' and they embrace, hugging, laughing, crying; the clear implication is that, beyond the final frame, they will celebrate their restored marriage by making love.

In these portrayals of passionate, life-affirming partnerships between men and women in which, far from being threatened by female energy and trying to suppress or destroy it, the males accept and revel in it, one could not be further from the violence and perversity that saturate the Islamosphere.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 9, 2008 7:44 PM

This could have been prevented simply.
The bodies of these murderer's should have been thrown in a hole in the woods were they were shot, covered over and left there to rot.
This would have deprived the opportunity for this mass hysteria by their supporters.
In the UK all those executed were similarly buried in unmarked graves within prison grounds. I am guessing that this was the same in the USA.
However it is well known that the Indonesian government are fanatical Muslims with an open support of Jihadi expansionism.
The Aussies are watching them closely and I bet will give them a damn good whacking should they threaten Australia.

Posted by: Defender of The Realm at November 10, 2008 7:23 AM

However it is well known that the Indonesian government are fanatical Muslims with an open support of Jihadi expansionism.

Defender of The Realm,

So why do Australians go to Bali? Every vacationer supports the Indonesian government.

Posted by: PMK at November 10, 2008 9:13 AM

Pulsar is right on the mark. As Golda Mier once said,"there can be no peace until they {islamists} love life more than death" {or something close}.
I'm personally quite happy to see as many of them go to their non-existant brothel in the sky...heck, I'll do what I can to assist.
It's when they take humans with them that I get a bit ansy.

Posted by: fightback at November 11, 2008 9:26 PM

>^..^

Posted by: champ at November 14, 2008 10:07 PM

>^..^<

Posted by: champ at November 14, 2008 10:08 PM