I agree. People like Ayaan Hirsi Ali are absolute godsends in our society at this time. I'd prefer to have more people like her in our country - people who THOROUGHLY appreciate the meaning of freedom - as opposed to the idiots, as represented by the interviewer, who are clueless and can only babble about American militarism.

I'll never forget those soldiers who died fighting evil regimes so that we today could live in freedom.

Posted by: S Perry at November 11, 2008 4:42 AM

I was in the local shopping centre this morning with my mother-in-law; they piped 'The Last Post' over the muzak system and everyone...everyone...stood still while the whole place stopped.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 11, 2008 5:29 AM

If anyone believes that freedom of speech is sacrosanct in the US, just listen to Kerry, Schumer, et al, pontificate on the need for a "fairness doctrine" for broadcast radio. That is aimed at driving a spike through the heart of political speech in the U.S.

Posted by: spinoneone at November 11, 2008 6:18 AM

Would the Canadian tool say the Allied forces were just as dangerous as the Axis in 1942? They were militaristic, killed a lot of people, including civilians. Yes they were just as dangerous, otherwise the Nazis would have won the war.

But then it was understood to be a fight for our freedom. Worth every endeavour and sacrifice.
Now many have no idea what this war is about, other than against 'terror'. We appear to be the bullies, killing Muslims indiscriminately. We hand victory to the enemy in the propaganda war by default.

Until we publicly identify mainstream Islamic ideology with terror, slavery and cancellation of human rights, then tools such as this Canadian will continue to wonder what it's all about. Instead we label the enemy 'the religion of peace'. Cue confusion.

It's all about freedom, democracy and human rights, as ever. Worth fighting for in 2008 as much as in 1942. Let it be known.

Posted by: StephenA55 at November 11, 2008 6:32 AM

A picture from a Remembrance Day ceremony in Brisbane - the tawny-haired lady in black is the new Governor of Queensland.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2008/11/11/2416668.htm

I looked at two of the (World War One) place-names in the list running around the inside of the dome, and chills ran down my spine.

Here's another picture - again, note the place names.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/photos/2008/11/11/2416668.htm

By the way, the tawny-haired lady was Australia's ambassador to the United Nations when Australia was applying to lead the mission to East Timor. I will reproduce the story of the start of the East Timor mission, as she gave it to an interviewer this September: there is an important lesson in it that is worth repeating on Remembrance Day.

"In the very early hours of a New York morning in September 1999 15 hands went up around the famous horseshoe-shaped arc of the UN Security Council, signalling unanimous agreement for Australia to lead a combined UN peacekeeping force to East Timor.

"The people of this troubled state had just made a break for independence from Indonesia, igniting shocking violence on the island and prompting a global community into action.

"in the weeks leading up to and following the vote, Australia's Ambassador and Permanent Representative to the UN, Penelope Wensley, had been agitating - diplomatically - for Australia to be allowed to intervene in events rocking its neighbour.'

"We'd been working behind the scene to persuade the Security Council to agree to a peacekeeping force, and we wanted to secure the leadership of that military force for Australia,' Wensley recalls. This involved working on 120 direct representations to Jakarta, and briefing then Prime Minister John Howard and foreign minister Alexander Downer.

"We set up the Small East Timor Task Force in the Australian Mission in New York," says Wensley, "and we worked under 3 large clocks, telling us the time in Dili, Darwin and Canberra, so if we lost track of day or night, weekday o weekend, at least we knew the times in those countries.

"It was an exceedingly difficult negotiation, *made more so by the other thing we [the Australians] wanted, which was a Chapter Seven mandate for our force - the right to shoot to kill.*

"A Chapter Seven is a difficult thing to secure; people are very reluctant to issue it,

"but we had some terrible histories in the UN of forces going into places like Bosnia and Rwanda without it, and not being able to meet the challenge properly."

'Finally, at about 3 am, those 15 hands went up, the Australian-led Interfet (International Force for East Timor) personnel wre given the green light to enter East Timor with their Chapter Seven mandate, and if Wensley had been the sort of woman to give high-fives, she would have.'

(From QWeekend, Courier Mail, September 20-21, 'At Your Service', an interview with the newly-appointed Governor), p. 16

The point: sometimes one must use deadly force to save lives and preserve freedom; this sweet little lady understood that.

And even if Iraq, Somalia and Afghanistan were ultimately futile, the East Timor mission - to assist a Catholic-majority country just emerging from the hell of Jihad and Muslim domination - most certainly was worth doing.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 11, 2008 6:33 AM

A nice article for Armistice Day. The Problem, as always, is that most free people just don’t want to believe that encroaching Islam is something to be feared and that there are many Muslims, today with smiling faces, who do want to undermine from within our entire culture and our freedoms. It’s too hard for many to imagine that people would want to do that as a matter of religion. One has to make an effort to study this cult – and it does take effort, but why make an effort when one doesn’t want to believe ill of people or their intentions?

This is why wake-up heroes like Robert Spencer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali and others are so important, and they are made possible by our freedom of speech. I only hope our new president knows the threat and will stand against any attempts at "hate speech" laws, encroaching sharia, and other tools of inner destruction.

Posted by: FM at November 11, 2008 7:13 AM

Here's the interview mentioned above:
On The Map with Avi Lewis: Ayaan Hirsi Ali & Islamophobia
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=08EYqwyns-k

Posted by: abolitionist at November 11, 2008 7:20 AM

I wish Ayaan Hirsi Ali could make this argument in Europe. Many of those we honor today are buried in fields across Europe. Countless more fought until Germany was defeated before returning home. We are in a fight that we cannot win without help. It's Europe's fight every bit as much as it is ours. It's Canada's, too.

Posted by: PMK at November 11, 2008 7:23 AM

We have just elected in the USA the biggest threat to our freedom and the world.

Posted by: TheOmegaMan at November 11, 2008 7:40 AM

To all who have served in the USA/Canada, a good Veterans Day/Remembernce Day, and to all who moderate and post at JW/DW a thanks for all that yous do. Here is the famous poem, "On Flanders Fields".

"In Flanders Fields

by John McCrae, May 1915

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep,
though poppies grow
In Flanders fields."

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 11, 2008 7:48 AM

Thanks to all who have served.

And thanks to those veterans who read and comment here.

Posted by: MarisolJW at November 11, 2008 7:52 AM

spinoneone,

Good post. There will be a fight for freedom of speech and talkradio over the next four years. Any UNFairness Doctrine comeback will not survive a court challenge. Plus way too much high tech to even make it possible.

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 11, 2008 7:52 AM

PS: Thank-you vets for your service to the USA and also to any who post here as well that have served!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 11, 2008 7:54 AM

I wish to express my undying gratitude for the service of all US veterans, past and present.

Posted by: awake at November 11, 2008 8:21 AM

The very first thing I read upon awaking this morning, and you make me cry, Robert.

And I thank you, Hugh, Marisol, Raymond, and all on here who are the foot soldiers in this assault on all I hold beloved.

Posted by: Vee at November 11, 2008 8:58 AM

To all the veterans I know and knew, I thank you for my freedom that I value so much. These folks include many family members, friends and clients.

My grandpa was sixteen years old when he fibbed about is age and joined the army back during WWI. My dad was an instructor pilot up in Michigan during WWII and was getting ready to go overseas and fight when the war ended in 1945. My brother flew combat missions during Vietnam and my brother in law went over as a nineteen year old grunt who became a Green Beret, never to be the same again. Today I'll even thank my ex-husband, whom I don't speak to but who was an Air Force flyer for twenty five years, whose squadron helped rescue the medical students on Grenada in 1983 and who saw action during Desert Storm.

You know, I've always known about what family members did but they never made a big deal about it; it was just part of being American, part of protecting what is rightfully ours. Today I say a prayer of thanks for all their sacrifices and their willingness to fight and I vow to continue that good fight, along with my youngest daughter who told me Saturday night that she wants to get involved with supporting the resistance.

And so it goes on.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 11, 2008 9:01 AM

Al Jiz's jester gets stomped by the ever gracious Ayaan Hirsi Ali at the 5:44 mark of this video clip.

A tribute to our Veterans. . .Military Tribute, Thank You Veterans

Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 11, 2008 9:03 AM

"Would the Canadian tool say the Allied forces were just as dangerous as the Axis in 1942? They were militaristic, killed a lot of people, including civilians. Yes they were just as dangerous, otherwise the Nazis would have won the war."

Posted by: StephenA55

Good point, Stephen. I certainly hope that our forces are dangerous -- to our enemies. There's not much point in having military forces that aren't dangerous.
As for American "imperialism", well, it never amounted to much. It lasted only about 40 years, 1890 -1930, and was the product of a desire to imitate Europe, which was in its imperialistic heyday. The idea seemed to be that great nations could manifest their greatness by having an empire. But the American empire never was much -- even Belgium and Portugal had empires many times the size of the American one. Ours was basically the remains of the Spanish Empire -- the Philippines and Puerto Rico -- plus some tiny Pacific islands, and the Canal Zone, and some temporary armed interventions in various Caribbean bandit-states. Enthusiasm for imperialism was never high: there was serious opposition to the acquisition of the Philippines from the start, and they were let go after less than 50 years. Puerto Rico is free to go any time it decides to. So much for the "American imperialist" threat to the world.

Posted by: ebonystone at November 11, 2008 9:06 AM

Thank you for posting this, Robert. I am going to send out a mass email that links directly to this post as a reminder of what we need to be focused on: Thanking those who have fought for us and democratic ideals/western civilization; those who lost their lives for the freedom of people they will never meet- one of the ultimate earthly sacrifices of love. Also as a reminder to restore our collective efforts here in America to stave off Islamic Opression and preserve the freedoms we so readily take for granted.

Posted by: Heidi J at November 11, 2008 9:08 AM

"Fallen comrades."

Posted by: undaunted at November 11, 2008 9:11 AM

"My grandpa was sixteen years old when he fibbed about is age and joined the army back during WWI."

Isabella,

Imagine that! Kids fibbing to get into a position wherein they could help defend their country. It's just not the same country, is it?

But, for those serving, and those who have served in our Armed Forces, thank you! Thank you, for giving me something to believe in. Thank you, for defending me, so that I can sleep at night. Thank you for all you have done, all you are doing, and all you may yet do.

God bless you!

Posted by: Abscedere at November 11, 2008 9:28 AM

I want to thank all vets, and active duty, for protecting me, and mine, and ours.

I would especially like to thank my uncle Calvin Stevens Ist lieutenant US Army, long gone, for his service. Uncle Cal spent 162 days on the Guadalcanal front, leading patrols in the jungle every night, engaging the enemy. He was shot by a Japanese sniper...missed his heart by half an inch.

By the time he recovered the war was over...but they called him back for Korea...On 'Heartbreak Ridge' he and a Sgt were coming out of a bunker when a mortar landed on them, killing the Sgt and blowing my uncles legs off. He survived as a double amputee.

There are lots of guys like uncle Cal...I thank you all...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 11, 2008 9:32 AM

Anybody know what happened to the Article on "Taqiyah" by Raymond Ibrahim yesterday?

All the links appear to have quit working.

Thanks!

Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at November 11, 2008 9:34 AM

http://www.typicallyspanish.com/news/publish/article_16133.shtml

Enlarge the picture with this article. Its Spain's very pregnant and very pacifist "Minister of Defense". She speaks long and passionately about a 'gentler, kinder military for Spain'. Perhaps she'd like a top rate military band to welcome N. African immigrants and a splendid color guard for Socialist coronations.

It seems I heard that some of our own West Point instructors are now speaking of a 'new military' that has a 'positive' role to play. They call them 'peace-makers'. They can invade in little Shriner cars and throw candy.

Talk to your elders, grandfathers, fathers, uncles and understand what war is in all its terribleness and why they fought. Their fight, the very meaning of what they once did is being trashed, warped and 'deconstructed' by weasels and whining scum who believe themselves or new 'gods'.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 11, 2008 9:39 AM

Our soldiers, our fighters, the US marines, are the parties to whom we owe gratitude.

Many thanks, which can barely adequately reflect what we owe you.

Bless the West.

Posted by: dgene at November 11, 2008 9:40 AM

Great article Robert. As members of a culture of life, we must never underestimate the extraordinary sacrifice of those who put their lives on the line, both on the military front (America's soldiers), and on the cultural front (Hirsi Ali).

In his most recent book "The Suicide of Reason," Lee Harris cautions against the hubris of those (on both the left and the right) who believe that progress in inevitable:

"If liberty of thought and conscience triumphed in America, once again, this was not because of some inevitable march of reason and freedom. It was due to exceptional circumstances found only in North America…There human beings were not locked in the brutal struggle for survival and supremacy that had long dominated the Old World (page 175)"

In this other passage, Harris uses the term "Cosmic Process" to describe the "law of the jungle" that has dominated much of human history. He also exposes the extreme fragility of the society that so many of us take for granted:

"We have allowed the Ethical Process to dominate over the Cosmic Process, created societies peopled with rational actors, rather than tribal actors. Yet fanaticism remains a powerful weapon in the Cosmic Process, so that human beings who are most fanatically committed to retaining their cultural traditions will inevitably be the ones most successful in passing them on to future generations. Thus, ultimately, the root cause of fanaticism is none of the things that we in the West have imagined –the root cause of fanaticism is the Cosmic Process itself, and as long as humans remain as they have always been, those who are able to use fanaticism as a struggle for survival will always have a good and reliable one (pages 260-261)."

To our soldiers and our cultural warriors: Thank you for defending us from the Cosmic Process. If only more of us really understood the enormity of your undertaking.

Posted by: Pavlov's dog at November 11, 2008 10:24 AM

"Its Spain's very pregnant and very pacifist "Minister of Defense". She speaks long and passionately about a 'gentler, kinder military for Spain'."

Speaking as a lifelong, dyed-in-the-wool, take-no-prisoners equal-justice feminist, I cannot imagine many things more willfully insane than appointing a pregnant female as Minister of Defense.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at November 11, 2008 10:29 AM

Posted by StephenA55:
Would the Canadian tool say the Allied forces were just as dangerous as the Axis in 1942? They were militaristic, killed a lot of people, including civilians. Yes they were just as dangerous, otherwise the Nazis would have won the war.

Yep, and I'm glad they were. Despite numerous demands to surrender, the Axis powers were so determined to subdue the world or see it in flames that they ultimately had to be destroyed so completely that their defeat was finally, if painfully, obvious them.

Posted by Robert:
Not too long ago Ayaan Hirsi Ali was being interviewed by a Canadian tool (who ultimately went to work for Al-Jazeera), and he kept asking her why she didn't seem to think that American militarism and imperialism and such were just as dangerous as the threat of Islamic jihad and Islamic supremacism. Finally, after several go-rounds about this, she told him that since he had grown up with freedom, he didn't value it, or understand how seriously it was being threatened.

Would he be talking about the same “militarism and imperialism” that allows his questions to be asked, and in a public forum, without being killed or imprisoned? At the risk of repeating the obvious; the Canadian tool should grow up.

Thanks to all the veterans and active duty members who make our freedoms possible.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 11, 2008 10:43 AM

The only people more amazing than those who have died for this country are the founders of the country. Could anyone today even pull off using the phrase "sacred honor"?

God Bless the United States.

Posted by: JSobieski at November 11, 2008 10:45 AM

Thank you Robert.

Posted by: Eastview at November 11, 2008 10:56 AM

Dale in Atlanta,

I noticed the taquiyya article is gone too. Was it some kind of copyright issue (he did say it was originally published in a subscription-only journal.

Please explain!

Posted by: Mo Foe at November 11, 2008 10:59 AM

VETERANS DAY

While my three children where growing up I made it a point several times to take them to the veterans cemeteries in Westwood ,California near the UCLA campus, and over looking the bay in San Diego on this day. I Always reminded them on how so many of these young men died in defending this nation from the tyranny of Nazism, Japanese Imperialism. WWI,Korea, and Vietnam. Those lessons remain firmly understood in their minds today as they raise their own children.

It was clear when two years ago next month we buried my father in a moving military funeral who was part of the greatest generation and my children all decided to eulogize him and what veterans like him stood for in America. My dad was 88 and he had struggled with old war injuries from the Pacific theatre for 61 years, though he had been in many battles on a destroyer, including the battle of Midway. His almost fatal injuries occurred on the Island of Borneo at Balapankan where a bombed out wall of a building collapsed on him. He always seemed to be at peace with that war against the Japanese though my mother found it hard to forgive that war for decades.

Today we are losing thousands of those young men and women from the greatest generation and the question is? will we to stand and defend the values that this nation stands for?

Our greatest challenge in this war is to recognize the enemy within for he does not wear a uniform,he is not lead by a military officer,he is driven by a religious ideology that may not represent any specific country,and he is doggedly determined to undermine our laws in favor of the archaic practices of Sharia law.

We cannot afford to be a country divided on this issue, we must continue to educate the American people on what this threat represents. It is people like Robert Spencer who are working hard to make us understand this threat that is so difficult to grasp unless you make an effort to read up on the Islamic culture of what is jihad.

GOD BLESS all the generations of men and women who have fought and are still fighting to defend this nation on this Veterans Day..

AND BE SURE TO PUT YOUR AMERICAN FLAG OUT!

Posted by: Mackie at November 11, 2008 11:08 AM

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Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 11, 2008 11:26 AM

"Would the Canadian tool say the Allied forces were just as dangerous as the Axis in 1942?" --a poster above.

Canada entered WWII in 1939.

The tool in question, Avi Lewis, does not represent Canada. He is a radical socialist leftist with soft Islamist connections (e.g., works for Al-Jazeera). He is not only ideologically aligned to protect Islam from criticism, but failing to do so now would probably hurt him financially. After Hirsi Ali graciously and easily demolished him in the CBC interview, Lewis wrote vicious ad hominem attacks against her, failing to address her arguments.

Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar at November 11, 2008 11:36 AM

Kinana of Khaybar:

I think somwhere inthe Jihadwatch archives we had a story and possibly a video clip on this Avi Lewis character as I recall.

I'll try and locate it.

Posted by: Mackie at November 11, 2008 11:41 AM

Was unable to pull up the video on the Hirsi Ally interview by Avi Lewis of July 2007, but I believe Robert drew his comments from it in any case.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/017367.php

Posted by: Mackie at November 11, 2008 11:54 AM

I honor the fallen of our nation.
They gave everything to keep our nation free.
I pray that we haven't given that freedom up in this generation by electing a "Red Communist".
Forgive us.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 11, 2008 11:57 AM

This Hirsi Ali interview reminded me of Daoud Hari's account of his trial in Sudan, along with a network correspondent who was accused of spying. When he saw the faces and expressions of the US military officers sitting in the back of the court, he said he felt a sense of relief knowing that justice was at least now POSSIBLE knowing that the "good America" had entered the room.

The "good America" is our ideals that we try to practice, fight to maintain, teach our kids. A small group of thoughtful, committed people created America and I DO NOT DOUBT the influence a small, thoughtful, committed group can have now in its preservation.

Posted by: PraiaFlamego at November 11, 2008 11:59 AM

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Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 11, 2008 11:26 AM

Thank you, tried to find that, and couldn't!

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Posted by: heroyalwhyness at November 11, 2008 11:26 AM

Thank you, tried to find that, and couldn't!

Posted by: Dale in Atlanta at November 11, 2008 12:04 PM

"All along we tried to have faith and confidence that America would liberate us,
YOU DON'T REALIZE WHAT FREEDOM IS UNTIL IT'S GONE AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT.
With all of its faults, there's still no place like America."

--Mario "Motts" Tonelli, survivor of the Bataan Death March

http://www.irishlegends.com/Pages/herbs/herbsarticle8.html

Posted by: sophia1453 at November 11, 2008 12:05 PM

The minstrel boy to the war is gone,
In the ranks of death you'll find him;
His father's sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him;
"Land of Song!" cried the warrior bard,
"Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy right shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"
The Minstrel fell! But the foeman's chain
Could not bring that proud soul under;
The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again,
For he tore its chords asunder;
And said "No chains shall sully thee,
Thou soul of love and brav'ry!
Thy songs were made for the pure and free
They shall never sound in slavery!

To all the the men and women who ever made the decision to stand between their beloved homes, and wars desolation: Thank you.

Posted by: give me doughnuts at November 11, 2008 12:08 PM

On this Veterans Day, this terrific and very moving short video by Anheuser Busch says it all in a very moving tribute to our military, though I am sure we have all seen it before.

Watch it here on the Bare Naked Islam Site:

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Mackie at November 11, 2008 12:17 PM

As dark as the last hundred years of mankind has been, it would have been far darker but for the existence of the American military. Imagine the past century with everything the same except no American soldier, sailor or aviator. This is why I prize the American military above all other institutions on the face of the earth. And if you see a veteran today, or any day, thank him for your freedom because freedom isn't free and it's those in the military who are responsible for preserving freedom, sustaining freedom, sacrificing for freedom, above all others.

Posted by: Wellington at November 11, 2008 12:20 PM

Thank you for this post, Robert. It was an excellent way to start my day. I also love that you said 'tool.' I personally would classify Avi Lewis as a 'douchebag dhimmi whore,' but that's just me.

Thank you from the bottom of my heart to any veterans who have helped to defend freedom in the Free World, and to any soldiers who are currently serving. You are my heroes.

Dale in Atlanta, I found Raymond's article on 6th Column. I hope it comes back home, though. Here it is: http://sixthcolumn.typepad.com/duckwalls/2008/11/raymond-ibrahim.html

Posted by: jdamn at November 11, 2008 12:24 PM

I think Raymond's excellent Taqiyya piece must have been pulled for copyright reasons,and I just hope he's not in too much trouble over it!

Fortunately (for me) I had already copied the article, but would like to reassure Raymond that I will not be reproducing it anywhere else. I'm sure anyone else in my position would be equally reluctant to cause problems for Raymond by splurging it around the internet.

It would be welcome, however, if some indication could be given about whether this embargo is likely to be temporary or permanent.

Posted by: Nokingofmine at November 11, 2008 12:29 PM

And don't forget the heroines, battlefield nurses who received the real casualties of war, Rosie The Riveter, who built ships, Betty Grable and Mae West who kept the troops morale up...And then there are other American hero's like Bob Hope, and other entertainers like The Andrew Sisters, who endlessly entertained the troops...often in battle zones...

The list of American hero's is endless...lets not break the chain...never give up, and you have maintained your link...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 11, 2008 12:31 PM

"I personally would classify Avi Lewis as a 'douchebag dhimmi whore,' but that's just me."

OH-MY-GOSH, JDamn, here I was crying my eyes out after watching Mackie's Anheuser Bush commercial (which I do every time I see it) and then read your post and laughed myself silly. I hope I don't rupture something downshifting that fast!

Today is a good day to watch Band of Brothers. If you really want to get an idea about the sacrifices so many have made for us, watch disc 3, side 6, Bastogne. Incredible.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 11, 2008 12:47 PM

Nokingofmine...Other's probably know more about copyright infringement than I, but I think that the owner of the copyright has to be aware that the infringement was made, and has to file a lawsuit for any damages that happened.
Damages may be hard to prove...Possibly the copy right holder may only request a removal of the material and that's good enough...

The government does not investigate or take independent action on copyright infringements.
It is up to the copyright holder to do that.

An intellectual property is considered 'Copy written' as soon as it is published.
Publishing can be something as simple as typing a page and leaving it on the kitchen counter...It has now been published and copy written...

I am publishing as I write...But most likely JW owns the copy right of everything posted here.
Unless by accident, or acknowledgment.

Posted by: duh_swami at November 11, 2008 12:51 PM

Thank You to all the brave men and women who have served this great country, and especially to those who have given their lives to ensure our freedoms; and I would like to thank their families as well.

Quote from OBL:

"To kill Americans and their allies, civilians, and military is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it." -- Osama bin Laden, Feb. 23, 1998

This quote reminds me that the military are not the only freedom fighters engaged in this war. All who love freedom and human rights are involved in this fight, whether we like it or not, so it's important that we do what we can by spreading the word, and by supporting those on the front line fighting against Sharia & Islam.

Posted by: champ at November 11, 2008 1:00 PM

As dark as the last hundred years of mankind has been, it would have been far darker but for the existence of the American military. Imagine the past century with everything the same except no American soldier, sailor or aviator

WELLINGTON I CAN THE USA DID NOT ENTER WW1 UNTILL 13 MONTHS BEFOR THE END ON 11/11/1918
AND WHEN WW2 WAS HALF OVER ON 12/08/1942
NOW THE USA DID SUPPLY MOST OF THE NEEDED SUPLIES
BUT IF THE USA HAD NOT SENT TROOPS IT JUST WOULD HAVE TAKEN A BIT LONGER
CANADIAN BLOOD CANADIAN VALOR
THE CALL WENT OUT IN 1913 THE EMPIRE WENT TO WAR THE PEOPLE AND THE COLONY OF CANADA ANSWERED THE MOTHER LANDS CALL
650000 STRONG ONE IN TEN 66000 NOW SLEEP IN SOIL NOT OF THEIR NATIVE LAND THEIR BODIES NOW LIE IN GRAVES ON BATTLE FIELDS OF LONG AGO CARED FOR BY LANDS AND PEAPLE NOT THEIR OWN
THEIR SACRIFICE ALMOST A CENTURY OLD BUT NOT FORGOTTEN FROM THEIR FAILING HANDS THEY THREW THE TORCH OF FREEDOM FOR
US TO HOLD HIGH BUT THEIR SLEEP IS RESTLESS UNDER THE CROSSES AND POPPIES OF FLANDERS VIMY RIDGE AND THE MUD OF PASSIONDALE AS WARS FIRES STILL BURN
THEIR BLOOD SHED IN THE CAUSE OF FREEDOM STILL REMEMBERED BY A GENERATION
THEN UNBORN ON THE ELEVENTH MONTH ON THE 11 DAY AT THE ELEVENTH HOUR ON THE ELEVENTH MINUTE OF EACH YEAR ACRROSS THE COMMONWEALTH COMEMORATTING THE DAY THE GUNS FELL SILENT
AND THE KILLING STOPED AND THE WAR TO END WARS WAS OVER, BUT WARS FIRE FLARED 21 SHORT YEARS LATER FROM THE ASHES OF THE WAR TO END ALL WARS AND HAVE FLARED AROUND THE WORLD EVER SINCE IN THE HILLS OF KOREA IN SERBIA AND BOSNIA AND THE MOUNTAINS OF AFGANISTAN ON THE APPOINTED DAY CANADA REMEMBERS CANADIAN BLOOD SHED AND CANADIAN VALOR AND ASKS WHEN WILL THE FIRES OF WAR BURN TO BLACK ASHES AND THE KILLING STOP AND NO MORE CANADIAN BLOOD BE SHED ?

Posted by: crusader stonghold at November 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Posted by: crusader stonghold at November 11, 2008 1:03 PM

Somebody please delete that cap-ridden travesty.

Posted by: awake at November 11, 2008 1:11 PM

Yeah...What awake said...it hurts my eye's to look at it...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 11, 2008 1:34 PM

Just for the record, in case any of our kids who went to public school read this, America entered the war in December 1941.

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at November 11, 2008 2:04 PM

Great lead by Robert...and great comments by the rest of you. We may be a small community but at least here, eyes are opened, priorities or ordered, and - in spite of recent setbacks (the election) - the fighting spirit prevails.

When we get reports in from Iraq and Afghanistan, one of the things that continues to amaze me is - no matter how fickle the general public may seem back home, our men and women in uniform remain highly motivated and steadfastly professional.

When I think of these brave souls and those who fought before them in past wars to protect our freedoms, I'm filled with gratitude.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 11, 2008 2:06 PM

crusader stronghold: First of all, let me extend deep praise to the Canadian military's accomplishments and valor in numerous past wars. No sensible and fair person could do otherwise.

Second, all caps actually dilute one's message. Perhaps you will consider this next time you post.

Third, faulting America for its timing for coming into both world wars does not take into consideration that deep isolationist sentiments have existed in America since colonial times, that America started neither of these wars, that neither Wilson for FDR had anywhere near enough political capital to take his country into war without sufficient provocation to the American nation itself, and that in both conflicts if America had never entered the fray, victory would have gone to the other side. The German General Staff credited America's entrance into the Great War as the decisive factor in victory for the Allies in the latter half of 1918. And Britain, Canada and the Soviet Union alone would have almost certainly not won in the European theatre during WWII, but for America's participation, in light of the fact that even with America it was still a close call. As for the Pacific Theater operations in WWII, the Australians and others fought valiantly against the Japanese, but would you seriously entertain the notion that victory over Imperial Japan could have come without American participation? In the Pacific, America was the determining factor again. And the same could be said about the Cold War, where only because of the American military establishment's existence were Communist poltities first checked and then checkmated.

Fourth, like you I want all war to end and I have concluded that the best shot mankind has at this is to spread democracy. Democracies, even when they don't like one another at all, have an overwhelming tendency to work out their problems without resorting to war. No two fully democratic political entities have gone to war with one another over the past century. In every conflict at least one of the two sides has not been a fully free and democratic state. There are no guarantees here, but man's best chance at making war no more is to insure that all societies are free and democratic. Obstacles stand in the way, principally totalitarian systems of thought like fascism, Marxism and Islam, also control freaks on a national scale (usually referred to as dictators or tyrants), but I remain optimistic that as mankind goes into an uncertain future fraught with dangers, it can partially redeem itself by implementing in every country that great gift the ancient Greeks gave mankind-------democracy.

Fifth, I still fully stand by my statement that man's history over the past century would have been almost infinitely darker if no American military had existed, irrespective of the timing of America's entrance into certain wars. Everywhere people are free, whether it be Britain, Taiwan, Norway, South Korea, Australia, Poland and, yes, even Canada, but for the American military freedom in these nations and all other free nations would almost certainly not exist. The American military is the sine qua non of liberty throughout all corners of the earth. No one has ever been able to even remotely dissuade me of this conviction. You certainly haven't. Done here.

Posted by: Wellington at November 11, 2008 2:25 PM

Do not stand at my grave and weep
I am not there; I do not sleep.

I am a thousand winds that blow,
I am the diamond glints on snow,
I am the sun on ripened grain,
I am the gentle autumn rain.

When you awaken in the morning's hush
I am the swift uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight.

I am the stars that shine at night.
Do not stand at my grave and cry,
I am not there; I did not die.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at November 11, 2008 2:32 PM

crusader stonghold:

No one here would ever deny, or slight in anyway the sacrifices and contributions of the Canadians,British,Australians or all the others who worked to defeat the Germans in WW I and WWII.

No one here is defining the specific efforts made during that war.

Though many countries celebrate Armistice Day, they may choose to do so in recognizing their own specific efforts and sacrifices.

Veterans day in the US was officially formed to represent "all veterans from all wars" in theUS thanks to the initiating efforts of a shoe salesman from Emporia,Kansas in 1953. President Eisenhower made if official on May 26 1954.

Posted by: Mackie at November 11, 2008 2:38 PM

Robert:

What happened to that great article Raymond wrote about "doctrines of deception?"

I was going to send it to some people to read. I thought this article was a great way to introduce many of the concepts that are discussed and documented here regularly, but non-JW folks have trouble believing.

Is there a technical problem? Are you editing the article and planning to repost?

Even by the high standards of Jihad Watch, the "doctrines of deception" essay was a masterpiece. It should be read by everyone.

Thanks in advance for the info...

-4infidels

Posted by: 4infidels at November 11, 2008 3:21 PM

Thanks to all who have served including the folks who comment and defend against the spam which sometimes creeps here. Thanks to Robert and the great team.

Cowboy

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 11, 2008 3:52 PM

4infidels

I think there was some kind of problem with the copyright - it was the full-length unedited version of an article that Mr Ibrahim had written for the 'Jane's Information Group' (note that ''The books and trade magazines published by Jane's [est. 1898] are often considered the de facto public source of information on warfare and transportation systems').

Raymond introduced the jihadwatch posting with these words:" I was recently asked by Jane's Intelligence Group to write an essay devoted to taqiyya for Jane's Islamic Affairs Analyst, which appeared late September".

Presumably this means that in the September issue of one of the magazines issued by 'Jane's Information Group', there should be an article on taqiyya, by Raymond Ibrahim. Try emailing Mr Ibrahim and asking him for the details of that particular mag., and where to get it.

Then you buy yourself a copy of 'Jane's [whatever]', September 2008, and put it on your coffee table and, as occasion arises, open it to Ibrahim's article.

I don't know what Jane's 'reach' is - I suspect it's huge, both among the professional military and those members of the general public who are enthusiasts for things military; they have a pretty impressive reputation. The fact that an article on 'taqiyya' by Mr Ibrahim got published in some form by Jane's, is heartening.

Here's their website:

http://www.janes.com/

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 11, 2008 4:17 PM

dumbledoresarmy,

Thanks for the help.

-4infidels

Posted by: 4infidels at November 11, 2008 5:06 PM

Wow Wellington that was like watching a dragonfly splat against the windshield of a C-130 gunship.

Posted by: kafir world at November 11, 2008 6:39 PM

Here are the words of a sweet Australian country song by one Brendon Walmsley - I'm sorry there doesn't seem to be an online recording to be found, as the music is quite lovely - that honours the World War I fallen.

The Bottle Trees mentioned in the song line Heroes’ Lane in Brendon's home town, Roma, in western Queensland; each of the 140 trees represents one of the 140 men who died, out of 1200 World War One enlistees from the Roma district.

"Bottle trees lining the lane where she met him
The place where her dreams had finally come true
Flickering sunlight the dance of the branches
They walked beneath each afternoon.
In a world going crazy, skies couldn’t be clearer
‘Til war was declared and her eyes filled with tears
The boy enlisted, she cried when he kissed her
And he whispered these words in her ear

(REFRAIN)
“Remember the good things the good Lord has given
Remember that love will remain.
Here’s to the wonderful life that we’re living -
We owe it to Bottle Tree Lane
Don’t forget Bottle Tree Lane”.

Once more they walked through the trees in the evening
The only one smiling, the man in the moon
They promised each other forever
The sun came up too soon.
The whole town turned out for their boys at the station
Waving their flags as they boarded the train
He heard her voice as she ran down the platform
“Come back to Bottle Tree Lane”.

REPEAT CHORUS

Time marches on; she became an old lady;
The ANZAC parade made its way down the lane.
The diggers passed by recalling the fallen
˜Cause each bottle tree bears a name.
Everyone knew why she stood where she did
Beside the same tree on that day every year;

And her grandchildren don’t take for granted the reason
They’re able to play without fear."

REPEAT CHORUS x 2

"Lest we forget - Bottle Tree Lane".

IN 2002, on either Remembrance Day or Anzac Day, in that town, during the ceremony, beside each tree stood a school-child from the town and at the proper moment each child stepped forward and laid a poppy beside the name of the person represented by that tree.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 11, 2008 7:02 PM

THE CAPS WERE BECAUSE I AM HAVING A PROBLBLEM WITH SMALL PRINT TO DAY I AM LEGALY BLIND BUT CAN SEE OK PART OF THE TIME

Posted by: crusader stonghold at November 11, 2008 9:02 PM

Jeepers, InfidelK9; such a simple poem you posted there, but I got the shivers & shakes when reading it.

Fitting way to end my day, I guess, since it started with crying over what Robert posted.

Posted by: Vee at November 11, 2008 9:47 PM

"Live as brave men, and, if fortune be adverse, front its blows with brave hearts." - Cicero.

(Cut down for valiantly resisting the anti-Republican dictators of Rome.)

Posted by: profitsbeard at November 11, 2008 10:21 PM

Let us never shrink from the task before us: the great struggle to defend human rights, human dignity, and freedom from oppression and injustice -- particularly the oppression and injustice, and assaults to human dignity that are enshrined in the Sharia that is coming, step-by-step, steadily and apparently inexorably, to a willfully ignorant and indifferent West.

Happy Veterans' Day.
...................

God bless you, Robert, and God bless Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and all those who have fought for freedom.

I just now saw a documentary on Turner Classic Movies called "Warner at War" about the efforts by the Warner Brother's studio against fascism.

The background of the Warner brothers was Polish Jewish, and they understood the threat better than many. Today, Warner's is famous for its war-time films, but it wasn't so easy in the beginning.

In the late 1930s they were considered propagandists and war mongers (for warning about *others'* aggression--this may sound familiar). Many of their early anti-Nazi films were censored out of all recognition.

One of their most hard-hitting pre-war films, "Confessions of a Nazi Spy" (from a best-selling book) got them death threats, a formal protest lodged by Hitler, and sued by the German-American Bund, who lost their case.

Later they made such classic films as "Casablanca".

They persevered through it all, making their case against the fascist menace.

Even the cartoon characters got in on the act, and one of the joys of classic animation is seeing that great American, Bugs Bunny, take on Hitler and the Nazis.

Posted by: gravenimage at November 11, 2008 10:48 PM

Gravenimage - may I say just how much I appreciated your posting above, on Warner Bros' alarm-raising efforts prior to WWII, and also your posting in an earlier thread, about Eisner and his experiences in Turkey?

I hadn't known about either. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 12, 2008 2:44 AM

'Cartoons Go To War' is a fantastic documentary about how the Warner Brothers' cartoon end did a great deal of work for the Allies' propaganda. You can find it in just about any library and many movie rental places will let you borrow it for free because it's educational. It's probably in publicdomaintorrents too.

Posted by: jdamn at November 12, 2008 6:39 AM