The mullah probably had the most recent attack in mind, where the vast majority killed or injured were fellow Afghanis (8 killed, over 70 injured); one US soldier died.

That's one interesting feature of the suicide attacks: most of their victims are their co-religionists. In Iraq and Afghanistan, more Moslems have been victims of their fellow Moslems than of the Allies.

Posted by: ebonystone at November 14, 2008 11:14 AM

ebonystone - What group through the 1400 years of Islam is the largest killers of Moslems?

That's right! Moslems have killed more moslems that anyone else.

I wish I could give away a door prize.

Posted by: tanstaafl at November 14, 2008 11:18 AM

Justice Islamic style. Bunch of lowlife thugs. You see in Islamic countries to gain power you kill the ones in power. The same has been true throughout the Islamic caliphate from the Moguls in India to the present day. When they do not have any infidels to kill they will kill one another. Islamic societies will eventually implode. Mohammedans have bought into one of the biggest lie in human history-Islam.

Posted by: savsiv at November 14, 2008 11:22 AM

Did they ask the U.N. permission to execute him before they whacked him?

Prolly/probably not.

Posted by: leon at November 14, 2008 12:38 PM

Well, this is exactly why ISLAM is our enemy. Any anyone who could follow such a creep as mohammed has to be questioned. When a guy who thinks that killing their own is a problem and gets killed for thinking that - by the adherents of his own 'religion' then there is a big problem there.

The ones who killed him were more like mohammed than not. mohammed was just that sort of 'man' who would kill his own in order to kill just one of his imagined enemy.

The seeds of violence are in islam - the koran. Go blog it and see for yourselves.

When our own can't even define the enemy - then we are lost. They need to read #1. the Art of War, and then #2. the koran, and it would probably be useful to read such docs as Mein Kampf, Milestones, and other docs such as The Project. THEN they would start 'seeing' what the problem is!!!! geez, and don't think I haven't written to the Pentagon! Yes, I have - these yoyos are more into political correctness and multiculturalism than in winning and fighting the war. But should we be surprised? No, because everything has been micromanaged by our government who has an agenda. And it will get worse.

We have let the left run amok in our schools and now we are letting the likes of the MSA have their way with our children. And now we are surprised that we are in such a mess as we are in now.

Posted by: R_not at November 14, 2008 12:49 PM

Such blood thirsty thugs who murder their own!

Posted by: champ at November 14, 2008 12:53 PM

Such blood thirsty thugs who murder their own!

Posted by: champ

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May they do so with greater frequency.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at November 14, 2008 1:05 PM

Yet another example of how Islam insures intolerance and an enthrallment with death, be it the death of non-believers or believers who don't think or act correctly enough. It's interesting to see how again and again Islam mirrors the actions of other totalitarian ideologies. This forms part of the reason why no sensible person should look kindly upon the Islamic faith, just as no sensible person would ever look favorably upon Marxism or Nazism. What a monstrosity that overindulged, bloodthirsty seventh-century Arab merchant spawned. Damn him. Damn him for all time.

Posted by: Wellington at November 14, 2008 1:12 PM

Human life is worth nothing to those primitive beasts, isn't it? Well, given how they also treat animals, I guess no life is worth anything to them.

They probably don't mind killing their fellow co-religionists because, in the end, they assume that it's the best way get them on a fast-track to that non-existing paradise where they'd have 72 black-eyed virgins to rape for eternity.

Too bad for them that the Desert Pedophile's guarantee of a harem in the afterlife is just the biggest scam in the history of the world, as Amrozi (the grinning Bali bomber) must have found out by now.

Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at November 14, 2008 1:13 PM

It seems debating the validity of the Mullah's sermon was not an option. I thought dialog was supposed to settle these matters. The Chattering Class is always telling us dialog is the answer.

Posted by: flowerknife_us at November 14, 2008 1:37 PM

What's most interesting to me is that there was a mullah who actually spoke out against suicide bombings.

I wish the article offered us more specific information.

In my mind, this story has great significance on our ongoing discussions.

Did the mullah make his argument against these attacks by citing passages from the Qur'an? If so, which?

And did the taliban members also cite passages from the Qur'an? If so, which?

Intellectual honesty requires that we investigate this fairly.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at November 14, 2008 1:51 PM

As a follow up to my post above, in terms of waging jihad it is likely that the taliban may reference many of the passages from Robert's thread below: "Why do Muslims wage jihad?"

Specifically, what is their justification for murdering the mullah who spoke out against suicide bombing?

TIA

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at November 14, 2008 2:09 PM

Wait a minute! Didn't these guys get the word that they were supposed to lay off this sh#t? Apparently not, or maybe it's a case of an internal disciplinary action of one of their own, intended to frighten the other monkeys.

Posted by: Eastview at November 14, 2008 3:17 PM

just seconding savsiv, ebonystone and tanstaafl.

A few specific examples.

Darfur is the most obvious and appalling, at the moment: Arabised 'superior' North Sudanese Muslims mass-murdering the deemed-insufficiently-Islamic inferior-because-non-Arab-black Muslims of Darfur.

Then there was the Iran-Iraq war (for one perspective on that, see Marjane Satrapi, 'Persepolis'; also V S Naipaul, the section on Iran in 'Among the Believers').

The war between Pakistan and Bangladesh disposed of hundreds of thousands of people. Hindus and Christians in Bangladesh were, as a matter of course, killed by both sides; but the Pakistani Muslims also killed enormous numbers of Bangladeshi Muslims, and gang-raped the women.

On a smaller scale, there is of course Somalia, and the gang warfare that took place between Hamas and Fatah in Gaza, with torturings and lynchings and defenestrations. Or, going a little further back, the so-called 'Arab Revolt' in Mandatory Palestine in the 1930s: by the time it was over, more Arab Muslims in that region had been killed by their own fellow Muslims, in all-out clan/ gang warfare between the Mufti's clan and the others, than had been killed either by the British (attempting to impose order) or by the Jews (defending themselves against Arab attacks).

Jihad as 'internal struggle' can in fact be - jihad as civil war.

Some wise words from sociologist Jacques Ellul's foreword on Jihad, written for Bat Yeor's The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam:

"Since the jihad is not solely an external war, it can break out within the Muslim world itself - and wars among Muslims have been numerous, but always with the same features".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 14, 2008 4:27 PM

And this should be a key to fighting them. Seal them off from the civilize world and let them kill each other.

Of course we must first make ourselves energy independent, so we have no need for them.

I'm actually convinced that even if we confine them to a section a a city here in the U.S. (Dearbornistan for example) the results would be the same. and no amount of education would change it. Try holding the muslim students at say Columbia University to a certain section of the campus and they will soon turn on each other.

Posted by: walterc at November 14, 2008 5:38 PM

Being a mullah doesn't get you the same respect it used to!

Freedom of speech in Islam means freedom for the jihadist with the biggest bomb in his turban!

Kurt Westergaard was right after all!

So...in other words...

"If you say Islam is violent, we'll kill you."

But, the good mullah said "Islam ISN'T violent" and they still murdered him!!! Hmm. Go figure.

How long before the lot of them get a bad case of Salafi Burnout from all this murder and mayhem?

Not much conscience if they would even kill a mullah!

Posted by: Stillfree at November 14, 2008 6:42 PM

Behold the true face of Islam.

Posted by: song_and_dance_man at November 14, 2008 7:17 PM

Actually, suicide is forbidden in Islam. A particular way of interpreting the Koran allows for an exception, although it is a rather thin argument.

One of the fundamental problems with Islam is that the penalty for being an Apostate is death. This is probabaly the justification for the murder of that mullah. He was seen as having left Islam. Fighting Apostates qualifies as jihad.

Posted by: joe-six-pack at November 14, 2008 7:21 PM

I just got back from Little Green Footballs. I still follow this website because it has good stories. And up to now Charles has been displaying what seems to be compelling evidence about the fascist nature of Vlaams Belang.

But based on the most recent post, Charles has really gone off the deep end: He has just posted a totally gratuitous list about the nature of fascism and using it to smear the anti-jihadis who fail to denounce groups like Vlaams Belang. There is absolutely NOTHING on this list that describes people who Charles has banned.

What happened to this guy?

Posted by: Pavlov's dog at November 14, 2008 8:06 PM

Pavlov's dog

He's insane.

Posted by: song_and_dance_man at November 14, 2008 8:14 PM

Sheik, you know about this?
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/194969.php
Aussies to Block 10,000 Websites

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 14, 2008 10:50 PM

Hmmm, I wonder if Shamsudin Agha would have raised any objections if the Taliban didn't kill so many fellow muslims.

*Cough*

Posted by: heatsketch at November 14, 2008 11:21 PM

Pavlov's dog here ya go.

revparadigm 11/14/08 10:02:50 pm reply quote

re: #84 Killgore Trout

The only reason he's supporting the book is to defend his fascist buddies in Vlaams Belang.

Spencer has "buddies" in VB? Or is this just more of the usual unfounded slander?

Hahaha, now they will finally ban me.

Posted by: revparadigm at November 15, 2008 1:04 AM

THE family of two Islamist extremists executed this week for the 2002 Bali bombings criticised an Indonesian website for publishing close-up photos of them in funeral shrouds, a report said today.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,24654971-401,00.html?from=public_rss

Pictures of the faces of brothers Amrozi and Mukhlas as well as ringleader Imam Samudra after they were executed by firing squad on November 9 appeared today on the Islamist Ar Rahmah website.

The photos were captioned with text in Arabic and Indonesian praising the murderers as the "martyrs of the battle of Bali".

Amrozi's and Mukhlas's eyes were open but Samudra's were shut.

"The family has been trying to anticipate this as best as we can but in the end the photos were stolen," Mohammad Chozin, the elder brother of Amrozi and Mukhlas, told Detikcom news website.

"The family hasn't had the chance yet to ask Ar Rahman about this," he said.

Lawyer Fahmi Bachmid said the images were published against the will of the dead bombers.

"I haven't been called by the family, but it's true that in the will given to the family it is not permitted to take photos of the bodies," Mr Bachmid was quoted as saying.

WELL SKREW THEM

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/2526/arrahmahwillcome081117ge8.jpg

Posted by: InfidelK9 at November 15, 2008 2:52 AM

"And this should be a key to fighting them. Seal them off from the civilize world and let them kill each other.

walterc,

From your keyboard to God's monitor!

Posted by: Abscedere at November 15, 2008 9:02 AM

Muslim version of :

If you are not for us, you are against us...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 15, 2008 11:08 AM

True if your are not for Islam (or even if you are just not muslim), you are against Islam.

Hoever I dont agree with people who said, let them kill each other...Who empowwered Talibans their in the begining?
It would be a very big mistake to leave and let Taliban killing civilians and wining power .
Because if Taliban win they will make alliances arround...and will chase current governments, after making alliance with the fondamentalist opposition in Pakistan... and islamise all the region and install a huge islamic khalifa from Afganistant to Morocco.
Then they will start attacking Europe as the Spanish coast is only about 10 miles from Morocco...
In that case it will be the begining of many small wares or one very big ware? Not only because Europe will have to protect itself...but also because powerfull countries will find them self in confrontation.

Posted by: Johanna.Adams at November 15, 2008 7:22 PM

Taliban murders mullah critical of suicide operations
.............

It's important to remember this next time someone notes that suicide attacks are "un-Islamic", since suicide is condemned in the Qur'an.

As far as I have seen, this refers only to the actions of the despondent who take their own lives.

Suicide attacks, though, are regarded in an entirely different light--this is "killing and being killed in the way of Allah", and, far from being condemned, this is lauded in Islam.

The Cool Ghoul wrote:

What's most interesting to me is that there was a mullah who actually spoke out against suicide bombings.

I wish the article offered us more specific information.

In my mind, this story has great significance on our ongoing discussions.

Did the mullah make his argument against these attacks by citing passages from the Qur'an? If so, which?

And did the taliban members also cite passages from the Qur'an? If so, which?
...........

Ghoul, I think Raymond was spot on in his introduction to the above article:

The mullah probably had the most recent attack in mind, where the vast majority killed or injured were fellow Afghanis (8 killed, over 70 injured); one US soldier died.
...........

Some Muslims oppose suicide attacks when they largely kill other Muslims. Very few seem to oppose attacks that mostly kill Infidels.

Some Jihadists don't even like this small restriction, though. They believe that any stray Muslim victims of these attacks goes straight to paradise as a "Martyr".

In addition, many Jihadists feel that most Muslims that are killed in these attacks somehow are not to be counted as "real Muslims"--this is a process known as "Takfir". For instance, they might not consider Muslim victims to be real Muslims because they were applying for positions with the Afghan government or the police.

In both cases, though, there is little concern over operations--like 9/11 or 7/7, that largely kill Infidels. I'm afraid I do not consider this ultimately very significant for us vis-a-vis Jihadi terror.

Posted by: gravenimage at November 15, 2008 7:41 PM

From post above:...Who empowwered Talibans their in the begining?

In the beginning there was God, Allah was with God, but Allah was not God...

Allah really had his heart set on being God,
he was jealous of his father, and challenged him for the Heavenly throne.

God, not putting up with any nonsense, threw Allah out of Heaven, and onto the Earth...

This made Allah very bitter, he could not be the God of Heaven but he could be the god of Earth,
The Lord of Matter, and mess up his fathers plans.

So he began gathering an army. He wrote a Manual of Arms that he called the Quran. He hired a local thug named Mohammad to manage the place.
He named his organization Islam, his believers 'muslims', and his Paradise Guard force 'Taliban'. Meaning 'one who protects virgins'. In modern times they take on a larger role as jihadists and terrorists.

And now you know who empowered the Taliban in the beginning...Allah...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 15, 2008 9:49 PM

Thanks for the clarification gravenimage...

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at November 15, 2008 9:56 PM