Has the President Elect arranged to negotiate with Zawahri "without preconditions" yet? I think Mr. Zawahri was offended by the promise to "capture and kill" Bin Laden. What if the soldiers forget to read Bin Laden his Miranda rights first?

Posted by: CTYankee at November 19, 2008 9:32 AM

How about an "interfaith dialogue" between Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Zawahri?

Posted by: CTYankee at November 19, 2008 9:34 AM

LOLOLOL, CTYankee! Wish I hadn't been drinking my coffee when I read that one. My poor keyboard...

Posted by: Vee at November 19, 2008 9:35 AM

Hmm, and I thought there was no racism in Islam...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at November 19, 2008 9:36 AM

Zawahiri certainly speaks for the overwhelming majority of Arab Muslims when he chooses his words to refer to Barack Obama, Colin Powell and Condi Rice.

Someone ought to show this kind of stuff, plus the interview transcript below to leftarded A-rab lovers/Muslim appeasers in general:

http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1906.htm

"Abd Al-Bari Atwan, Editor-in-Chief of Al-Quds Al-Arabi: 'In an Arab Country, Obama Would Be Called a Slave; Arabs Are the Epitome of Racism'"

I'd love to see what the A-rab-loving, Israel-hating folks Jesse Jackson would have to say about such stuff.

Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at November 19, 2008 9:39 AM

DO we actually have any definitive proof that Zawahiri's actually alive? That still shot makes me think he's dead and this is a message like that from Saddam in hiding, recorded weeks earlier, if it's even him, that is.

So now Obama has replaced Powell as the 'house negro,' huh? That hardly seems fair. They're about equal in their dhimmitude, but Powell at least has a legitimate career under his belt.

Posted by: jdamn at November 19, 2008 9:53 AM

Dr. Z is right about "the fact which you and your government and your country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see," that is, "a jihadi awakening" sweeping "the entire Islamic world."

A clock stopped for 1300 years IS right twice a day!

Posted by: John C at November 19, 2008 9:55 AM

l-Zawahri did not threaten specific attacks, but warned Obama that he was "facing a Jihadi (holy war) awakening and renaissance which is shaking the pillars of the entire Islamic world; and this is the fact which you and your government and country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see."

Ain't that a fact.

Well Prophet President Elect Obama (PBUH), may not be president if any or all the lawsuits demanding his birth records. It's not someones opinion about his eligibility, it is a constitutional question. It has to be satisfied.

If it is not satisfied, and the courts refuse to rule, or rule in favor of Obama, and he does not have to show any acceptable birth records, we are witnessing a coup.

It also paves the way for Arnold the Terminator, should he choose to run, he can claim he was born in Hollywood...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2008 10:04 AM

Some of the stories about, and especially caricatures of, Condolleeza Rice should be republished in the American press, as part of an inquiry into the savage racism that is taken for granted all over the Arab world. In fact, I have spoken with some students who came back shaken by some of the things they routinely heard about race, and blacks, when they went to study Arabic in programs in Cairo and other places in the Middle East. This -- along with the very late (and most unwilling) emancipation of (almost entirely) black slaves in Saudi Arabia, under Western pressure, and the continued enslavement of black Africnas wherever the Arabs have managed to get away with it -- in the Sudan, and in Mali and Mauritania, and perhaps still in Saudi Arabia today -- and the horrific treatment meted out to Sudanese refugees in Egypt -- should be given attention. If those at the top in the Pentagon and the State Department cannot figure out why this matter should be given attention, why that would be useful both in the conduct of foreign policy (another weapon in the propaganda war, for slavery is permanently legitimized in Islam, given that the Perfect Man, Muhammad, was a slave-owner), and in domestic policy (helping to make Islam, the vehicle for Arab supremacism, less attractive to one of the main groups targetted for Da'wa, black prisoners), then they need to be replaced for others, cleverer and more systematic in their attempts to check, abroad and here, the appeal of Islam, and thus the power of those engaged in Jihad.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2008 10:12 AM

So much misinformational fluff.

The muslim world has to be delighted with Barry.

His policies will be antithetical to the survival of Israel (the very antithesis of the projected policies of McCain).

63 mil voted for this malicious novice, many of whom will come to regret their choice.

There is no such a thing as a generous of spirit or contented Marxist.

(should one change one's name to Cassandra ?)

Posted by: dgene at November 19, 2008 10:21 AM

Where can I watch the video Zawahri video subtitled in English?

Posted by: johnsawyer at November 19, 2008 10:25 AM

He's half-mamluk, half-abed, all denial.

Duh_Swami, INN actually published a blurb about one of the many cases brought against Obama over the COLB thing. They talked about it on their radio channel too. It was in WND as well, a few times. It's almost in the MSM now. And you're right that a ruling in favor of him or to dismiss any of the cases brought against him would necessitate a coup. That's why we've got to do while Bush is still in office.

Posted by: jdamn at November 19, 2008 10:26 AM

Oh, this is good. A welcome splash of reality for Mr. Obama that will undoubtedly do more to help clarify his thinking than any amount of exhortations from us. Thank you Mr. al-Zawahiri!

Posted by: Eastview at November 19, 2008 10:28 AM

I agree with you Eastview. And for the general left as well who harbor the false comfort that angry Muslims are simply a by-product of American foreign policy.

I notice in the English translation that Zawahiri stops just short of accusing Obama of Apostasy. He notes that he (Obama) is of a Muslim father and yet has chosen to stand with the Jews et al:

"You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America."

Posted by: alexon at November 19, 2008 10:46 AM

I agree with Eastview too, nice that it happened so early ;o)

There should be no delusions now about the direction Obama should take. Well, in a perfect world....

Posted by: gymgal at November 19, 2008 10:53 AM

When words get out that Al-Zawahiri and other Arabs have been dissing Obama, it's going to be taken hard, especially in certain parts of Detroit and Chicago. And when the entire story of Arab racism is made clearer -- and it is this kind of talk by Al-Zawihir, that "snap-to-it-boy" attitude, directed at the President of the United States (an attitude that would not have been exhibited toward a white president), so cearly displaying Islam as the vehicle for Arab supremacism that, despite its universalist pretensions, it has always been -- that can only be good. Scales can fall from eyes, faster than they otherwise would. And black Africans, too, the Christians imperilled in West Africa and in East Africa, by the steady Muslim Arab advances, including the genocide in southern Sudan for the past 20 years, now accompanied by a lesser genocide in Darfur directed at killing, or expelling from their land, black African (i.e., non-Arab) Muslims, and the Muslim Arabs -- those Egyptian pilots -- who strafed helpless Ibo villagers during the Biafra War to keep Nigeria's Christians from breaking free of the Muslims waging Jihad (Col. Ojukwu's word) against them -- will be aroused, and heartened. And god knows they need a sign that the West will not forget them, after the Biafra War, after the slow-motion genocide in southern Sudan, after the encroachments of the Arabs and of Islam even in Uganda, where a handful of Muslims now threaten the Christian authorities.

Al-Zawahiri now offers the opportunity to remind everyone of the scope and duration of the Arab slave trade in Africa, and of the particularly deadly nature of it (see "The Insidious Trade"), for the main victims were young black boys, seized and castrated in the jungle, and then marched by slave coffle to the sea, to be transported to the slave markets of Islam. Only about 10% survived the trip.

It is not hard to imagine how much good a campaign, with the "Lost Boys" of the southern Sudan, or Nigerian Christians now living in this country telling the truth about Islam, and about the long history of murderous Arab mistreatment of black Africans (where, but among the Arabs, does black slavery still exist? Where, but among the Muslims, does the permanent justification for slavery exist as part of the faith?). Hammer, hammer, hammer away.

Posted by: Hugh at November 19, 2008 11:23 AM

Given Islam's long history of slavery and the fact that one meaning of the Arabic word for "slave" means "black" (African), a term Osama bin Laden actually used in one of his 9/11 videos, it should come as no surprise that al-Zawahiri should find it easy to insult Obama.

Islam's true colors are revealed by the fact there are even today "house slaves" in the Islamic state of the Sudan, as well as in Muslim areas of West Africa, let alone the calls of some Muslim clerics (Saudi Arabia) for slavery's reinstitution as it is sanctioned by the Koran.

Some Gulf States only did away with slavery in the 1980s (Saudi in 1960s), and only because of Western influence.

Yes, massa al-Zawahiri, you are a top "dog."

Posted by: eliasX at November 19, 2008 11:34 AM

Eastview

Correct. I thought the same thing too. There is something worse in this world than a ticked off conservative, it is a ticked off liberal.

Why?

The media will support what ever Obama does for at least the first two years. So if Obama decides to crush western Pakistan the media will say it is a wonderful idea.

Do I think Obama will do what needs to be done? No...but this is good first step. Instead of attacking Obama, maybe there is an opportunity here. Look at what Hugh wrote above and digest it. If people play the racism card in places like Sudan, for example, it might take pressure off Israel. After all one of the only supporters of the Southern Sudanese has been Israel over the years. Bring up places like Ethiopia, Mauritania, Nigeria and Southern Sudan to drive home the truth of Islamic cruelty in Africa.

I always thought the oil rich Southern Sudan region was a much better place to make a stand than in a place like Iraq. In Iraq we are dealing with an unhelpful Islamic population, but in Southern Sudan we are dealing with much more helpful Animist and Christian African population. Let us not forget about Ethiopia next door, who is also for the most part Christian. If we left Iraq, and focused our attention on the horn of Africa, using the ready made allies there, we could gain:

(1) A much needed secure oil supply

(2) A friendly non-Islamic ally fighting for their lives

(3) Cripple Chinese designs in the area

(4) End slavery in the area, talk about the great PR we would get from such a move

(5) End of piracy in the area

(6) Do something for Africa, which no one could complain about it being racist, and once again think how it play in the American public, especially the African-American community.

(7) Take pressure off Israel

(8) And still kill a boat load of Jihadis in the region.

I call that a win, win, win….all the way around. Now someone just needs to point Obama in the right direction, and convince the better angels of his nature.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 19, 2008 11:51 AM

The story has been playing all over the MSM this morning and I'm still trying to grok the significance of this. Since nothing gets such high profile coverage in the news except as a result of a management decision, is it possible that someone in that power structure has had an epiphany, perhaps even a small one? One can hope.

Now I'm waiting with baited breath for comments from Jesse, Reverend Al, Calypso Louie, Djimmy, Powell, Condie, and, oh yes, The One Himself.

Posted by: Eastview at November 19, 2008 11:51 AM

So I guess Obama's threats to throw Israel to the wolves isn't enough for him? Gee, and here I thought the entire Middle East problem was caused by Israel. If Israel should one day cease to exist as a Jewish state, nothing will change, the Arabs will just go back to killing each other and blaming it on someone else.

Although, killing each other is a good thing.

Posted by: horselady at November 19, 2008 11:55 AM

I'm of the impression that this puffery on the part of Al Qaeda keeps the infidels in D.C., London, Paris, Bonn etc etc looking at violent jihad while the stealth jihad moves merrily along unchallenged. Otherwise, the here and now mentality of Western Government would be focusing on the obvious threat.

He's the magicians distraction that keeps the audience looking the wrong way.

Posted by: walterc at November 19, 2008 11:55 AM

"......but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed, and spirit which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism continue to be the same as always," the deputy of al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden said."

Projecting -- again!

Posted by: champ at November 19, 2008 12:00 PM

Come January, with the Democrats in charge across the board, the point will be driven home even more so, and with a clarity that only the most obtuse on the Left will continue to fail to see, that al-Qaeda and its ilk hate America and the West irrespective of political alignment.

Posted by: Wellington at November 19, 2008 12:08 PM

Looks like Al Qaeda is taking a page from the Obama play book by playing the race card. The irony is just too delicious.

Posted by: Roxane at November 19, 2008 12:43 PM

Just a few questions the President Elect might want to direct Al-Zawihir's way:

When was it the Saudi's finally "outlawed" slavery, 1962?
And wasn't that under pressure from the West, particularly the US?
And just how many Arabs died fighting against slavery?
During the centuries since Europeans settled in North America, what percentage of slaves came to the United States? Five percent? Ten percent?
Where did the other 90 to 95 percent of those sold into slavery go?

I think you're right Hugh; this bit of reality therapy can only be good.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 19, 2008 12:50 PM

It's nice to know that Dr. Zawahiri (is Zawahiri Arabic for Goebbels?) cares so much about blacks and Africans. Shame that he and his fellow savages have a strange way of showing their love for Africans in the southern Sudan and Darfur-like gang rapes, slitting throats, slitting the Achilles heel to prevent slaves from fleeing, and...slavery! Good point from a poster above. Will Jeremiah Jackal Wrong who's never right tell al-Zawahiri about how slavery is bad or is Darfur another clever Zionist plot to defame the umma?

Posted by: JIMBO at November 19, 2008 12:54 PM

Don't kid yourself folks, the Lefties are hardly about to abandon their "principles" and join the anti-Jihad over a few racist remarks.

And in the very unlikely event Obama is aggressive in his defense of US national security, the African-Americans may stay loyal on account of race, but the broader Left will turn their backs on him. In their world, race may trump gender, but anti-Americanism easily trumps race.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 12:59 PM

Does this come as a surprise to anyone but the liberal left who voted for Obama, hoping to appease the terrorists? Jeez, I wasn't surprised by this in the least bit. I've worked with many muslims, not for nothing, they make the KKK look like openminded, compassionate loving folks to all of mankind.
I am sure the liberal press (which I rarely, if ever, watch or read) will be completely astounded, shocked and hurt. Get over yourselves and wake up! The only thing that will appease those war-nicks, is the west completely rolling over and baring our bellies like submissive dogs. It was only a matter of time before those types of comments were going to come out.

'I know I am preaching to the choir here but we really do need to start taking these messages, that we all post, to the streets! Make it loud and make it clear! Remember the gay marches, "we're here, we're queer, get used to it"??? WEELLLLLLLL, IT's time for our own slogans and marches!'

Posted by: Saoirse at November 19, 2008 1:05 PM

Cornelius: We are in overall agreement here. The anti-Americanism of the Left should never be underestimated. I just have to wonder, though, what the percentage will be of those on the Left who will still not get it after the radical Islamic world leaves no doubt that it hates all of us. I guess it comes down to a determination of what percentage of liberals are Left versus Far Left. The former can still be awakened from its slumber. The latter is destined to remain permanently ignorant.

Posted by: Wellington at November 19, 2008 1:11 PM

I agree with Cornelius. Democrats and liberalism are inherently racist. The socialist monopoly on schooling, affirmative action, the high taxes and regulations that keep the Ol' Boy Network in place, plus the fact that they were founded by Confederates and absorbed every Nazi they could find all point to their inherent racism. Furthermore, blacks are not, by and large socially liberal. That's why they repealed gay marriage with the biggest minority voter turnout in CA history. Democrats are racists who only use blacks to opportunistically further their policies, and blacks only opportunistically vote Democrat because they think they will give them something for free and because they have been brainwashed into thinking that the Right is against them, mostly by socialist schools. Katrina didn't help matters. They will willfully ignore this just like they have been willfully ignoring the truth for decades, and they hardly have the monopoly on willful blindness, either. It's a skill they picked up from the Islamists, along with projection, narcissism, and victim rhetoric. Again, this explains their hatred for Lieberman, the only one among them with any principles.

Posted by: jdamn at November 19, 2008 1:22 PM

All,

Interesting discussion...

My sense is that many on the far left will attempt to attribute any/all future attacks from the hands of muslim terrorists as "retaliation" on the US for the George Bush era. The "If only we hadn't gone into Iraq" crowd...

Most of the far left will simply never be able to be deprogrammed.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at November 19, 2008 1:34 PM

WELLINGTON: "The former can still be awakened from its slumber."

RESPONSE: Would that it were true, old buddy.

My experience - and I'm talking about mainstream Liberals here - is that they have moments where they'll concede an issue, for example that stoning adulteresses is barbarous. They may even concede that Islam is - on the whole - intolerant.

But then, it's right back to their over-riding agendas, i.e., abortion-rights, more social programs, avoidance of foreign entanglements (particularly where American vital interests are at stake), etc.

It reminds me a bit of the difference between men and women. There are facets of the female mind that simply operate on an entirely different level, a level that is sometimes incredibly attractive and to be reveled in, and other times, profoundly consternating.

So it appears that in the Liberal DNA, national security issues are an unmistakable blind-spot, whether in reference to the Soviet threat 30 years ago or the Islamic threat today. It's not that they root for our enemies the way the far Left does, it's just that they can't really "feel" the threat...it's as if they have an Attention Deficit Disorder on this issue that precludes them from grasping it for longer than a conversation.

I'm sure there are exceptions.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 1:47 PM

Zawahri's words were calculated to imply Obama would do the bidding of white infidels, and were an attempt to provoke Obama to show his independence by adopting policies that would be pro-Islam, anti-Israel, and perhaps even anti-Western civilization. Until Obama actually starts directing policy, it will be impossible to know whether this deliberate provocation from Zawahri works, backfires, or is inconsequential.

Posted by: Karl2 at November 19, 2008 1:58 PM

JIMBO, aren't comments like Zawahiri's the likely reason why Sudan's BLACK president has committed genocide against his fellow countrymen of darker complexion? Maybe he thinks that by killing other blacks, his fellow racist Arab co-religionists are going to regard him as one of their own.

It's just too bad for all those he has had murdered that he didn't try the "Michael Jackson skin-bleaching method" instead. It could have spared dozens of thousands of lives.

Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at November 19, 2008 2:01 PM

Sorry, guys. The Amercian Democratic Party won't learn a thing from Dr. Z's screed. It is far more motivated by a hatred of President Bush and "understanding" of the "poor misguided misunderstanders" who killed 3,000 of their countrymen and American wannabes (immigrants: no bashing intended) on 9/11/01.

Something tells me that the American Civil Rights movement and Democratic Party won't wake up until one of President-elect Obama's daughters is kidnapped and sold into concubinage to some Saudi scumbag (and may this never be!). Their willful blindness to Islamic evil and Bush derangement syndrome is just that strong. Further, recognizing the racism implicit in Dr. Z's tirade will threaten the sacrosanct place of Malcolm X in modern American hagiography. We can't have that, can we?

Posted by: Kepha at November 19, 2008 2:21 PM

Cornelius: I hope you're wrong. I fear you're right. It's almost as though a part of the liberal mind doesn't work. You proposed a kind of political version of ADD. Could be. I'm reminded here of an old joke George Will told years ago: What does a liberal mind and the lost continent of Atlantis have in commmon? Well, both have been rumored to exist but there's really no hard evidence for either.

The old liberals like Truamn and Attlee got it. They knew barbarians should not be coddled but rather treated with contempt, replete with preparations of all kinds to deal with the bastards. From the Sixties onwards, though, this kind of liberalism started dying. As "jdamn" indicated above, Lieberman is about the last of this type. And as "The Cool Ghoul" mentioned in his 1:34 P.M. post, something I am in complete agreement with, the Far Left will just continue to blame Bush et al. for any harm that comes to us in the future, never comprehending who the real culprits are. Perhaps, though, many liberals will finally "get it," but then, if they do, that would, in effect, make them neo-cons------you know, a liberal mugged by reality and all that. I would add, though, that possibly what will put the fire under the collective butt of liberals, again minus the Far Left, is the prospect of losing elections if they aren't more aggressive in dealing with Islamic extremists (please excuse the redundancy here). There's nothing like the thought of no longer having a political sinecure that will make many politicians do what is expedient rather than what they believe in. In other words, numerous liberals in power may, just may, stumble into the truth in an effort to preserve their hides.

Oh, that was very brave of you venturing upon the perplexing workings of the female mind. My compliments. Think I'll decline going there for now. Enough on the plate already. Take care, pal.

Posted by: Wellington at November 19, 2008 2:23 PM

Cornelius:

Your analysis appears to overlook a couple of important facts in the relatively recent past:

1. It was a democratic (left of center) administration (FDR) that not only took the US into World War II and saw it through to its conclusion, but had argued warned of the Japanese threat and called for U.S. preparations for war for years prior to Pearl Harbor.

2. It was a subsequent Democratic administration (Truman) that began the postwar policies of rearmament and containment of the Soviet/Communist threat.

I agree with the readers above who expect the far left to maintain its perverse defiance of reality. But these idiots can simply be, marginalized, imprisoned when and if necesary, and otherwise managed. The centre left and moderate left wing groups are flexible enough to get their heads around it. Perhaps this latest bit of bluster from Zawahiri will be the occasion that prompts them to wake up and smell the coffee, rather than an event on the order of Pearl Harbor or 9/11.

Posted by: templar at November 19, 2008 2:26 PM

This seems unfair. I insult Obama almost daily, yet get no articles written about it. There oughta be a law.

Posted by: Goob at November 19, 2008 2:39 PM

It reminds me a bit of the difference between men and women. There are facets of the female mind that simply operate on an entirely different level, a level that is sometimes incredibly attractive and to be reveled in, and other times, profoundly consternating.

You may have a point, Cornelius. Whether the Left's irrationality is a feminine trait or just a sign of selfish immaturity is difficult to say. I still reject the Left's redefinition of Leftist collectivism and the concentration of power in government as liberalism, it's anything but liberal. It's interesting how it keeps reappearing though, a suicidal obsession that humanity can't be rid of, no matter how many wars and how much death it brings. With the combination of fundamentalist Islam's ascendancy, collectivist politics, the end of journalism, the corruption of education, and politicization of science and the new global warming religion; it appears that the world could be gearing up for another self-inflicted, mass die-off.

If, as Marx said, religion is the opiate of the masses, then collectivism has surely proven to be their arsenic.

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 19, 2008 2:56 PM

Uh oh, now he's gone and done it.
He is a RACIST.
He will be caught for sure now.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at November 19, 2008 2:57 PM

...Al-Zawahri also called Obama—along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice—"house negroes."

Yup, now they've up and done it alright!

Should we expect every left-wing-whack-job in the US and EU to conduct suicide missions against Al-Q inc?

Blissful thinking I'm afraid, but we CAN hope!

If Al-Q had just gone about beheading Christians and Jews -- everything would have been fine!

But now?

NOW?

NOW, they're using phrases like "house negro" to refer to a president-elect of color for one instance?

That's crossing the line and THAT --- will be delt with post-haste!

The lefties will have to pen some legislation to legalize gay-marriage; mandate partial birth abortion; and RENEW THE DRAFT!

We'll show Al-Q inc a thing or two!

They might even wet in their pants if this happens again!

Posted by: witness at November 19, 2008 3:19 PM

WELLINGTON: "I hope you're wrong."

RESPONSE: You and me both amigo.

WELLINGTON: "Oh, that was very brave of you venturing upon the perplexing workings of the female mind. My compliments."

RESPONSE: I had second thoughts after posting...(isn't that always the case?)

------------------------------------------------

Templar,

You're right about Truman, but as Wellington pointed out, HIS brand of liberalism disappeared over the 60s and 70s.

TEMPLAR: "Perhaps this latest bit of bluster from Zawahiri will be the occasion that prompts them to wake up and smell the coffee, rather than an event on the order of Pearl Harbor or 9/11."

RESPONSE: Far from becoming a tell-tale moment in the annuls of the anti-Jihad, I don't believe that this little utterance of Zawahiri's will even survive a 48-hour news cycle.

-------------------------------------------------

RALPH: "Whether the Left's irrationality is a feminine trait or just a sign of selfish immaturity is difficult to say."

RESPONSE: The analogy drawn was not necessarily to imply a "feminine trait" to Liberal myopia, just that there is something in the Liberal mindset - particularly as it pertains to national security - that seems utterly perplexing to a conservative like myself.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 3:30 PM

Cornelius

Is Bush a liberal? Once again you are throwing around that term again as if it is set in stone.

Obama don't need Muslims anymore, what does a Chicago politician do with people who don't shut up, and that he don't need anymore?

They take a boat ride, and get close and personal with the fishies.

Obama is not going to be good for America or our freedoms, but people who keep acting like he is Jimmy Carter need to change that way of thinking. This is not a pacifist Christian and peanut farmer. This is a machine politician from Chicago...

Big difference...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 19, 2008 3:42 PM

Comet,

In many respects, Bush is indeed a Liberal.

As for Obama, it remains to be seen whether or not he's another Jimmy Carter. I'm rooting for him to do well...(with very low expectations).

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 3:47 PM

Templar,

Your points are well taken. But, frankly speaking, I don't think that today's left has the same moxie.

Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at November 19, 2008 3:51 PM

Cornelius

These are the same people who picked a fight with Genghis Khan.

They just screw up a good thing....it is in their nature. This is reason why Islam will never win in the end...

One day they will just pick on the wrong egomaniac...

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 19, 2008 4:31 PM

Proud Kafir. You're right. That's probably why General Bashir is a hero in the Arab world and why (as far as I know) the vaunted OIC has not said a word about Darfur, much less about southern Sudan where the victims are kafir and Christians. However, this should come as no surprise. I remember in 2002 memri published a speech by ZawaGoebbels in which he detailed the usual "grievances" against the West-sanctions against Iraq, troops in Saudi Arabia, aiding the wicked Zionists against the Putridstinians. One caught my eye. He complained about Western criticism of the regime in Sudan i.e. he thought that enslaving black animists and Christians in southern Sudan was OK and that kafir criticisms of this were a wicked plot against Islam. Of course, he was thinking like a true Islamist-enslaving kafir and taking their booty is totally justifiable. Frankly, my problem isn't with ZawaGoebbels. He's acting according to his ideology and we should not expect a wolf to become a vegatarian. My problem would be with any lefties who would become born again anti-jihadists. They didn't get upset because of what happened to Danny Pearl, bombs at Passover seders, bombs on trains in Madrid, bombs on subway trains in London, murders of Buddhist monks in Thailand, stabbed stewardesses on Flight 11, etc. It took a non-PC racist comment by Zawahiri to make them change. Sick though not so surprising.

Posted by: JIMBO at November 19, 2008 4:35 PM

So far, I have yet to hear NPR mention the racial slur.

When and if they do, "hope and change" may actually mean something.

If the far left refuse to discuss an issue, does it mean there isn't one?

Posted by: flowerknife_us at November 19, 2008 4:51 PM

Hey guys, go easy on the 'feminine irrationality" remarks. Negative female animus operates in both sexes -- women become mannish and men become womanish -- and another thing, how dare they insult Obama!

Posted by: jewcat at November 19, 2008 5:01 PM

Quote:
It reminds me a bit of the difference between men and women. There are facets of the female mind that simply operate on an entirely different level, a level that is sometimes incredibly attractive and to be reveled in, and other times, profoundly consternating.

You may have a point, Cornelius. Whether the Left's irrationality is a feminine trait or just a sign of selfish immaturity is difficult to say.

What is so feminine about such irrationality that it constitutes a 'feminine trait,' pray tell? And why is this trait predominantly manifested by liberal males, then? I actually take exception to that as a woman. The difference being, of course, that I'm neither litigious nor violent when offended, unlike the sorts of fellows the Government would do well not to appease any further.

Posted by: Infidelicious at November 19, 2008 5:40 PM

Jewcat, Infidelicious,

If you read my original post, all I was suggesting was that men and women think on different levels, and that those differences can seem inexplicable to the other. I wasn't suggesting at all that women think like Liberals; that inference came on a later post by someone else, and I attempted to shoot it down by clarification.

For the record, the fairer sex has always been my favorite, and not just because of the obvious. Women are intuitive and emotionally accessible in ways that MOST men aren't....(now watch the male chauvinists come down on me!).

Me and my big mouth.

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 5:52 PM

Proudkafir: From what I can gather, President Bashir doesn't see hinself as "black". Northern Sudanese are in denial about the colour of their skin, or where this colour came from.
I had a conversation with someone who turned out to be Bashir's nephew; he told me how completely without morals the southern Sudanese were - he saw them as wild savages - and said therefore they had to be "eliminated". Although the absence of Islam seemed to be the main source of his contempt for them, the adoption of Islam has ultimately helped those who have been persuaded or forced to adopt it but little, if at all: see Darfur and Abyei, and the ongoing enslavement of black Muslims, when it is possible.
I do not think Bashir is a hero in the Arab world, Jimbo, but I could be wrong. He is certainly not a hero to the Sudanese people.

Posted by: PG at November 19, 2008 6:04 PM

Jewcat,
Hey guys, go easy on the 'feminine irrationality" remarks.

Uh, Cornelius was just noting that the complexity of the feminine mind is, at times, perplexing to us mere, simple, men. (Finger stuck in my shirt collar, pulling it, and twisting my neck uncomfortably.) Yeah, that's the ticket.

And I plead innocent on the technicality that I didn't actually use the phrase "feminine irrationality". Yeah... what I must have meant to say was how fortunate men are, yeah, how lucky we are that women are uh, complicated. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. :)

Posted by: RalphInfidel at November 19, 2008 6:17 PM

There are lots of black Muslims (not "Black Muslims") who are wannabe Arabs. Then there are all those Egyptians who self-identify as "African" in order to not be associated with Saudis, but that's only among infidels. They're pretty smug about that 50% rate of consanguinity, history of slavery, and Friday-afternoon Copt-killing (i.e., genocide of the real Africans in Egypt) among their own kind and in their own minds. Obama's father would be one of those "Arab-Africans." He was black as midnight. But I would imagine I would be the same way if I were born into an ideology that would have me killed for leaving and which called me "raisinhead," one of "Allah's dumbest creatures," compared me to feces, only had one word to refer to my kind which also meant "slave," and told me I was going to hell. Either that or I would be a hardened criminal, since there's no point in leading a moral life if you're just going to go to hell in the end anyway.

Posted by: jdamn at November 19, 2008 6:17 PM

Cornelius and Cool Ghoul:

You're both correct, of course, that the anti-totalitarian Left that held sway in earlier times is moribund these days, but as in religion, so in politics - the dead can be raised to life again - or evolve into something new but of equal importance. It takes only a leader (I'm not necesarily referring to Obama here) with the inclination to do it and some influence over a significant sector of the public. That kind of liberalism doesn't have to end with Lieberman or anyone else.

The Left has always had its share of naive pacifist nuts, and the cultural revolution in the West post-1968, heavily influenced as it was by the mass broadcasting of gruesome and disturbing televised images directly from the battlefields of Vietnam - a first in history, and something that military and political leaders had not yet learned to manage as they have much more so today - traumatized society enough to give that group the upper hand in the perception of social realities, especially where conflict - and violence - lurk in the background. But society is changing again today and there are signs that it is moving back toward the center.

I'm not saying that I place any great hopes on the Obama crowd. In fact, if I'd been able to vote (I'm Canadian, so I have no say in the matter) I'd have voted for McCain. I'm just suggesting that it might be good to keep an open mind at this time. As I've often said when commenting on this site, the Counter-Jihad needs every ally it can get, including as many constituencies from the Left that can be gotten on board and, as in previous times, their time might come as well.

That said, any left wing thinkers who take up this cause have some soul searching to do. I quote from JIMBO above:

"They didn't get upset because of what happened to Danny Pearl, bombs at Passover seders, bombs on trains in Madrid, bombs on subway trains in London, murders of Buddhist monks in Thailand, stabbed stewardesses on Flight 11, etc. It took a non-PC racist comment by Zawahiri to make them change. Sick though not so surprising."

I couldn't agree more. This has to prompt honest and conscientious Leftists to begin a process of revising and renewing their philosophy and policies from the ground up or their contribution to the struggle will be negligible at best. So far we haven't seen anything like this - only a further, and corrupt, rehashing of stale Socialist and multicultural policies that boost the momentum of monstrosities like the transformation of the EU into Eurabia.

Posted by: templar at November 19, 2008 6:35 PM

You're right, ralphinfidel

Humans of every sex(!) have their moments...

Posted by: jewcat at November 19, 2008 6:53 PM

and Cornelius, we love your big mouth!

Posted by: jewcat at November 19, 2008 6:55 PM

TEMPLAR QUOTING JIMBO:

"It took a non-PC racist comment by Zawahiri to make them change. Sick though not so surprising."

The implication is that the Liberal world is different today than it was yesterday. This remark of Zawahiri will be ancient history in no time...and NOTHING will have changed. Let's get a grip.

Jewcat,

Thanks...(I think).

Posted by: Cornelius at November 19, 2008 7:19 PM

Not surprising really. Just pathetically sad. View video link below:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Posted by: Aiken Bryce at November 19, 2008 7:31 PM

How about an "interfaith dialogue" between Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Zawahri?
Posted by: CTYankee

--

Which should sound something like this:

KILL WHITEYYY....!!!

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at November 19, 2008 7:52 PM

I prefer the company of women...The Magickal path cautions, 'avoid the conversations of men'.

It does not say 'avoid the conversations of woman'.

So we magicians are on safe ground guys...

So mote it be...that's similar to Allah willing...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2008 7:56 PM

Catholic jihadwatchers might like to start spreading abroad amongst their acquaintance - especially amongst any Afro-American Catholics that they know, and beyond - the story of Africa's newest saint, Josephine Bakhita, ca. 1869-1947.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine_Bakhita

Her story is amazing, and incredibly moving: where is the Afro-American movie director who will pick up her memoirs, and the other records concerning her life, and make an epic biopic?

I've mentioned this before: a full-scale film, maybe even a four-part TV series that did the job properly could, through the telling of her story, lift the lid on the entire 1200 year horror of Islam's depredations in Africa.

Or maybe someone can put together a sort of black rock/ gospel/ jazz opera/ musical about her - move over Porgy and Bess.

Sister Josephine Bakhita was born in Darfur in the mid 19th century (I think to an animist family); then kidnapped and enslaved and cruelly abused by Muslims of various sorts, 'Arab' and 'Turk', she only escaped Hell when she was bought by an Italian dignitary and taken to Italy, There she was, eventually, freed; she converted to Catholicism and lived out her life in an order of Catholic nuns, universally beloved, known as 'little brown mother'.

Here is just part of her story:
"In 1896 she joined the sisters permanently, and, in 1902, she was assigned to a house in Schio [3] in the northern Italian province of Vicenza, where she spent the rest of her life.

" Her only extended time away from Schio was between 1935 and 1938, a period she spent in helping prepare young sisters for work in Africa.

"During her 45 years in Schio, Josephine was usually employed as portress (door keeper) of her house, and so was in frequent contact with the local community.

"Her gentleness, calming voice, and ever-present smile became well known and Vicenzans still refer to her as la nostra madre moretta ("our little brown mother").

"Her special charisma and reputation for sanctity were noticed by her order, and she was instructed to publish her memoirs and to give talks about her experiences; these made her famous throughout Italy."

Light some candles! Get hold of her memoirs! All Afro-American Catholics should know her story.

Think about it. There is Darfur today, full of 'black Muslims' who are being raped and robbed and mass murdered by their ever-lovin' 'Arab' supremacist Muslim brethren...and there is the Saint of Darfur,, who I am sure is crying out from under the altar of the LORD, on behalf of her suffering people and on behalf of all the Christians of Africa.

Indeed: "she is venerated as a modern African saint, and *as a saint with a special relevance to slavery and oppression*.

"She has been adopted as the patron saint of Sudan."

If her memoirs have been translated into English, someone hurry up and give Obama a copy! (Or perhaps, give a copy to his wife!).

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 19, 2008 8:04 PM

Hurry hurry, give a Osama a curry.
Filled with rat poison.

Sorry couldn't resist.

Posted by: Ummah Gummah at November 19, 2008 8:35 PM

#2 said, "...facing a Jihadi (holy war) awakening and renaissance which is shaking the pillars of the entire Islamic world; and this is the fact which you and your government and country refuse to recognize and pretend not to see."
Well duh! Not Bush, nor any other Western politician can even say the "J" word...we are in deep denial, and deeper trouble.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at November 19, 2008 9:04 PM

I love the irony...

#1 is Bin Laden (piss)
#2 is Zawhri (turd)

My apologies for the crassness, but i simply could not resist.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at November 19, 2008 9:06 PM

dumbledoresarmy

Miss Fragazi said that when angels come to Earth, they hide their wings, it is possible to mistake an angel for a saint.

I have known several people who qualify as a 'saint'.

A few may have crossed the line to angelic.

I know them because I can see their sparkles.

I bet Josephine sparkles...

I'm really good at spotting sparklers...

That's why I'm duh_swami and others are not... :)

Posted by: duh_swami at November 19, 2008 9:09 PM

Muslims promoting racial hate and violence is nothing new...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 20, 2008 6:46 AM

"Whether the Left's irrationality is a feminine trait or just a sign of selfish immaturity..."

Ouch! Not worth hijacking a thread, but it registered, fellas.

Poor Obama! He hasn't yet been inaugurated, and already he's a failure with those who loved him best, while he was campaigning.

I guess his non-voting supporters in dry, foreign lands don't understand our political system. Maybe they think the "lame duck" President is immediately and permanently disposed of, and the the new Prez jumps into the chair, before it (or the incumbent's body) gets cold.

That's pretty much the way it works in the morally superior Islamic countries...

Posted by: Abscedere at November 20, 2008 9:56 AM

...Al-Zawahri also called Obama—along with secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice—"house negroes."

Lots of American blacks have done the same, at least in the cases of Powell and Rice. And of course the Congressional Black Caucus has not admitted the two black Republican Congressmen to its ranks. Apparently they're not black enough.

Posted by: ebonystone at November 20, 2008 1:34 PM