Enough is enough.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at November 30, 2008 2:29 PM

Isn't it time to bomb the crap out of Pakistan?

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at November 30, 2008 2:33 PM

They say that seven of the bombers were from the UK. Therefore it gives India good reason to attack Islamist targets in the UK. If the British government isn't able to deal with the Islamists and terrorist threat here, then why doesn't someone else? It would certainly wake up the UK and possibly spur the beginning of clearing Muslims out of the UK in order to stop themselves from being the target of Indian revenge.

Posted by: Richard the Lionheart at November 30, 2008 3:03 PM

Victims groups and others should press for photos and autopsy photos. Put it on the net. Otherwise it will be said to be a myth. Authorities are not our friend. Victim families should take photos with them every time go to MSM or politicians and show them.

Posted by: Old Atlantic at November 30, 2008 3:16 PM

This needs wall-to-wall coverage in the mainstream media.

Fat chance of that!

Posted by: Always On Watch at November 30, 2008 3:23 PM

Second it, enough is enough!

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at November 30, 2008 3:27 PM

Even after all this, I heard some nutter al-BBC interviewer asking his "intelligence expert" (which in my opinion are ten a penny since the Iraq war)"but do we know who carried out these attacks?"

What?

The so called expert rattled out a few names. But who gives a f***?

What if it is not this islamist group but that, does it really matter that they have a different name? Aren't their deeds, those defined in their book of war, otherwise known as quran, are the same and hence they are all the same?

Posted by: Hermit at November 30, 2008 3:28 PM

the acceptance of the pakistani bomb will be understood to have been one of the great faults in world history. could this be the moment when india reverts pakistan to a pre-nuclear power?

i agree; it's not likely.

Posted by: StillBreathing at November 30, 2008 3:29 PM

Enough is enough.
Posted by: poetcomic1

-- Yes, enough is enough -- but only when enough people agree.

We're not there yet.

It'll probably take quite a few more Mumbais and 911s before we get there. For that I blame not the Muslims but the people ignoring or even defending the Muslims.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at November 30, 2008 3:33 PM

We should absolutely demand autopsy photos, just like Eisenhower demanded concentration camp photos during and after WWII. This just sickens me. I'm disgusted on so many levels and with just about everyone but you guys right now. I don't know which is worse: that those terrorists did these things to that couple right in front of their little boy, a toddler, or the way the media keeps blaming the victims of all this, as if, 'how dare Jews and Christians and Hindus exist and live their lives with dignity?'

Here's a tip for the jihadis: since the Jews control the media, as you continually claim, how about you blow up the New York Times, the Washigton Post, NBC News, MSNBC, CNN, and all the rest? Huh? We know you won't touch Reuters because they're in Hezbollah's pocket.

Posted by: jdamn at November 30, 2008 3:37 PM

Meanwhile, this report from the BBC.
Far from naming that Muslims carried out the attack, and they were motivated by the demands of the Koran, in the eyes of the BBC, they were people who wanted celebrity status.

The age of 'celebrity terrorism'

By Paul Cornish
Chairman, Chatham House's International Security Programme

Quite apart from the scores murdered and the hundreds injured, what the Mumbai terrorists really wanted was an exaggerated - and preferably extreme - reaction on the part of governments, the media and public opinion.

In these terms, the attackers received as much attention as they could possibly have hoped for, and the Mumbai outrage can only be described as a very significant terrorist success.

Unanswered questions

So the speculative - and often tendentious - questioning began.

What were the tactics of the terrorists? What weapons did they have and where could they have got them? How much planning and preparation would have been necessary for a military-style operation of this sort? Who were the terrorists - where were they from and what did they want?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7755684.stm

Ah yes, this was all a publicity stunt, and boy was it successful.

So this is the verdict from the Chairman of the Chatham House's International Security Programme, and broadcast by the BBC. The terrorists were NOT Muslims, they had nothing to do with Islam, or they really really misunderstood Islam, therefore there is nothing to report. The fact that the Islamic terrorists made specific demands, like the release of their fellow Islamic terrorists, is neither here nor there.

Read it all, if you can bear to put up with it.

Posted by: DP111 at November 30, 2008 3:38 PM

I say yes, post the photos.

When the people were being beheaded by the jihadi's a while back, I made it a point of watching the videos. People were consternated and wanted to know why in the world would I want to watch that, saying it as a kind of put-down. My answer: I WANT TO SEE THE FACE OF MY ENEMY. And I told them, they need to see it too. After you see something like that, it changes how you think.

Posted by: nichtdhimmi at November 30, 2008 3:44 PM

lets compare the pictures of the tortured Israeli to the say the pictures of those tortured at "Gimtmo or the ones tortured by the US forces in Iraq, you the know the ones with underwear on men's head. You know the underwear on the heads how that was soooo mean for those poor muslim men, l mean how low can you go!! YEAH lets compare those pictures to those killed in Bombay!!! Yeah those pictures made the internet and the NYT!! yeah lets compare pictures!!!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 30, 2008 3:58 PM

if anyone has heard of the country western song "Have We forgotten"? you know the MSM does not want pictures of those poor souls that jumped out of window from the burning twin towers from 9-11, well it seems after this past election, yes all has been forgotten!

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at November 30, 2008 4:01 PM

"The doctors who conducted the post mortem said the bodies of the terrorists were beyond recognition. "Their faces were beyond recognition"".

Gives a whole new meaning to "take no prisoners".

Posted by: Hermit at November 30, 2008 4:01 PM

Generally, Muslims don't take prisoners...just victims...

Posted by: pulsar182 at November 30, 2008 4:03 PM

Mr Narendra Modi, the Chief Minister of Gujarat is one, just one, Indian politician who "gets it" about islam and its ways and is not afraid to say so, is banned from entering the US and I guess also from many European countries.

Posted by: Hermit at November 30, 2008 4:14 PM

Indeed, things are getting from bad to worse and it becomes hard to watch ordinary news, though apparently news channels don't seem to get overly excited.

They evidently stupidly feel that they are facing a marginal gangster activity totally unrelated to the true religion of peace. Little do they realize that we are facing the most hateful diabolical ideology the world has ever known holding grip on a billion souls. It seems that someone heard Zardari's advice after all, not to get too carried away for such an insignificant incident.

I think hindus are on to something with Karma, and I wonder how much bad karma has islam accumulated in 14 centuries. When islam reaps what it sowed it should make a lot of noise. I can't wait....

Posted by: maxilo at November 30, 2008 4:54 PM

I could not agree more with Pamela's proposals for repealing firearms restrictions.

Whenever there is an attack, be it from terrorists or crazies, with mass casualties, the common factor is always the same: No-one else had a gun, and the gunmen knew that when they attacked.

Hundreds of lives could be saved, if guns were available to responsible and trained members of the public.

Posted by: Monty at November 30, 2008 4:57 PM

Strike back India, don't wait.

Posted by: LazarOfSerbia at November 30, 2008 5:15 PM

The torture reminded me immediately of the bodies of Indian soldiers in the Kargil war, the most famous of them being Capt. Kalia. They were mutilated and tortured, purely against the Geneva convention, but Pakistan has always had immunity because it was an "American ally".

It is time for America to wake up and realise that Pakistan can never be America's ally because to Pakistan America is the great Satan.

Pakistan has a long history of torturing its "Non-muslim" captives but has always been immune to international criticism.

Indians have faced Pakistani sponsored terrorism for way too long and their cries always fell on deaf unsympathetic ears.

Perhaps now the world will listen.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at November 30, 2008 5:53 PM

Hundreds of lives could be saved, if guns were available to responsible and trained members of the public.

Posted by: Monty

Valid point, Monty. One of the key defining differences in personal liberties between us and the Brits ... and also one of the reasons I hold out hope that the US can withstand the Islamic assault.

Posted by: Paleologus at November 30, 2008 6:33 PM

I'm with Pamela...

This attack model was successful.

Next time fifty jihadi's, or 500. Next time???

Remember the 'Boy Scout' motto...'Be prepared'...

Posted by: duh_swami at November 30, 2008 6:54 PM

When the world realizes that the fight is not against terrorism but is instead against Fundamental Islam then the world will have a better chance of defeating this enemy.

Posted by: John at November 30, 2008 8:00 PM

The photos would never be published as the indian agencies dont even know how false identities of these so called Mujahideen can be established.
Unlike the americans did in 9/11. But keeping in mind the closeness of the American Zionist and the Indians, surely the later would learn soon.

But atleast what the editor can post on this blog are the photos of torture victims from Palestine.
Ordinary civilians killed in cold blood by Israeli soldiers. Ofcourse everybody remembers how fond they are in shooting young children throwing stones back at them.

Talk about being a sacred cow !!
As for Mumbai incident and Indian attitude,As they say, People living in glass houses should not throw stones at others houses.
Everybody knows they are funding militancy in the Balochistan province. So its about time they got a medicine of their own liking. As resentful of indian policies my thoughts may be, but still my religion doesnt approve of killing innocent helpless victims like the one's killed in Mumbai.
and therefore i hope the families can bear the tough moments, though it should open the eyes of all that their own govt can kill their own people just to get some anti-Islamic propoganda a lift.

Posted by: Muhammad Usman Aslam at November 30, 2008 8:37 PM

Muhammad Usman Aslam

"but still my religion doesnt approve of killing innocent helpless victims like the one's killed in Mumbai."

Yes Islam does approve...

Afterall there are no innocent helpless victims in Mumbai, except for those Muslims who got gunned down as well. You know this I suspect, that is why you invent these stupid stories to ease what little humanity you still have left.

Posted by: greatcometof1577 at November 30, 2008 8:54 PM

muhammad wrote:
"Ofcourse everybody remembers how fond they are in shooting young children throwing stones back at them."

And many of those "young children" are teenagers armed with slings. You can kill someone with a slung stone. And others are simply human shields.

"but still my religion doesnt approve of killing innocent helpless victims like the one's killed in Mumbai."

Like the Muslim definitions of "peace" and "tolerance", the Muslim definition of "innocent" is amazingly plastic. By Muslim standards, we posters here are not "innocent" because, even peacefully, we are resisting the spread of Islam.

Posted by: jay at November 30, 2008 9:14 PM

Ladies and gentlemen of the Resistance to Jihad and Sharia

this event, terrible as it is, should become a Teaching Moment. It should bring many, many more visitors and lurkers here, to read, and learn.

I have no doubt that it is being discussed in living rooms, around dinner tables, in office coffee rooms and around the water coolers, especially in those countries who have had citizens assassinated or whose citizens escaped though wounded.

Tell people about Qur'an Surah 9 - have your translation of the Qur'an ready and bookmarked.

Tell people that you were not in the least surprised by the wholesale butchery of innocent Hindu civilians by the cold-hearted Muslim jihadists: cite Bostom's 'Legacy of Jihad' and K S Lal's books online, and V S Naipaul's "India, a Wounded Civilisation".

Explain that although Islam pretends to 'tolerate' Jews and Christians (if only as despised and exploited dhimmis) it is supposed to offer 'polytheists' or 'idolators', such as Hindus, only a choice between conversion and extermination...and that Muslim rulers only chose to grudgingly permit some Hindus to remain alive, because they were needed as slaves for exploitation.

Refer casually to the sixty to eighty million Hindus estimated to have been butchered in the course of 500 years of Muslim domination in one portion of India (ca 1000-1500); note that this is not the total number, since Islam first invaded India, murderously, in the 8th century, and Muslim rule was not ended until the 18th. Tell people that the 'Kush' in the placename 'Hindu Kush' means 'slaughter' - i.e. the slaughter of vast numbers of defenceless Hindus, by Muslim murderers.

Tell people, also, that you were not in the least surprised to discover that the Chabad centre was specifically targeted, and that the abominable torturing-unto-death of the Jewish captives was more cruel than the tortures inflicted on any of the other people murdered; and explain that this is because you have read Andrew Bostom's 'Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism' and Bostom's various articles on Muslim hatred of, and abuse of, Jews, that may be handily read online.

Quote the Muslim Sufi Sirhinidi, 'Every time a Jew is killed it is a benefit for Islam'.

Final thought - yes, as has been pointed out above, Jews - Israeli or not - do not permit publishing of images of mutilation and death.

However: perhaps detailed and clinical verbal descriptions, case by case, should be provided instead. Along the lines of: 'Mr X: genitals cut off while victim still alive, and stuffed in mouth; throat slit...".

Here, as an example of how one might do this, and as testimony of another occasion on which jihadists tortured and murdered Jews, is an excerpt from the notebooks of the journalist Martha Gellhorn, written when she visited Israel just after the Six Day War (I found it in Moorhead's biography of Gellhorn):

“Atrocities:

"7 Israeli pilots hung, 1 thrown to crowd, killed with spades,

"2 pilots decapitated in Smyrna, heads shown on TV,

"girl teletypist, breasts cut off, etc. Made me sick.”

One must remember that Gellhorn had witnessed the Spanish civil war at first hand, and had also visited the newly liberated concentration camp of Dachau, just after the end of WWII.

So when she writes something like 'made me sick', her standard of what qualifies as 'sickening' is rather higher than yours or mine.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at November 30, 2008 10:12 PM

I'm sure the Jews reading this will understand the folly of befriending so-called Westernised Muslims. Mention Jews anywhere in SEAsia among educated Muslims and you'll notice that they have to try hard to avoid their loathing. The effort that the Left and the Saudis have put in demonising the Jews have borne the bitter fruits. The only course left for the Jews is to be prepared and watchful. I hope that the remaining kapos among the AJC and the ACLU die off before claiming any more victims.

Posted by: ivan at November 30, 2008 10:31 PM

It was a sad incident to watch those images. Personally it affected me in many ways being stayed at the Oberoi multiple times in past business trips. Also, this reminded me of horrific events of the Indian riots when Hindu extremists burned and killed scores of Muslims in the state of Gujarat. Atleast in this instance the perpetrators were killed as rightly so, but during the Hindu riots in Gujarat the Hindu extremists are still roaming the streets of India freely. This madness will only stop when people of all faiths will respect each other and stand up against violence regardless whether it is Israeli terrorism against Palestenians or Jihadi terrorism in India or Hindu terrorism against minority Christians and Muslims in India.

Posted by: anothersadincident at December 1, 2008 12:10 AM

There is no reasoning with the radical muslims. They just want everybody who is not one of them dead---period. The liberals and bleeding hearts of the world need to wake up--There can never be any peace as long as these nuts are allowed to suck air.

Posted by: sistersister at December 1, 2008 12:42 AM

Muhammad Usman Aslam

"but still my religion doesnt approve of killing innocent helpless victims like the one's killed in Mumbai."

I love when a "peaceful" muslim tries to tell a bunch of people who are sick of violent attacks from muslims, that islam is not a violent religion. I never see any of these "peaceful" muslims protesting publicly against their less peaceful brothers. I don't ever hear of peaceful protests in Afghanistan against the taliban or al qaeda...oh wait, those that spoke out against the taliban had their tongues cut out. Yes Mr. Aslam your religion is quite peaceful. I'm done with my post now, I think I'll go bury my teenage daughter ALIVE because she wants to pick her own husband then I'll come back and tell people on yahoo news it's ok.

Posted by: Matt at December 1, 2008 1:28 AM

"One of the terrorists was shot through either eye."...

Way to go India!

But why only one of the Jihadist slime?

Posted by: FirePig at December 1, 2008 1:37 AM

does the koran really encourage such violence. I hope in the long run we defeat these twisted demons. in ages past christians and jews lived under muslim rule much peacefully while the old christian system was extremly persecutive. violence in the name of religion is the stupidest thing. I have a question. some say islam is a peacefull religion but when it first appeared it was spread across by violence. western powers have a part of the blame for islamic militism and radicalism. western policies were rather exploiting those countries when they had direct rule over them. not to mention how our america helped set up military training camps to train those who'd become terrorist during the soviet afghan war. we just wanted to see the soviets defeated at all cost irregardless of who was fighting them withought looking into the long run. a minor blunder turn big. i will read the k0oran to understand it better. Best to read it for myself than make judgment in ignorance

Posted by: Michael at December 1, 2008 3:04 AM

According to the news this morning there are still at least five terrorists at large. This was based on findings in the boat of items belonging to 15 men.

Posted by: Tommo at December 1, 2008 4:54 AM

To the "palestinian" whiner.
http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Leave the Israelis alone and I guarantee you they will leave you alone.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 1, 2008 10:01 AM

@ anothersadincident

It is truly convenient for you to leave out the fact of why the Gujarat riots even took place.

Everyone knows that the muslims burned a train full of Hindu women and Children. They were cokked alive while the muslims attacked anyone trying to save them.

This sparked off a riot in vengence.

I guess you would expect Hindus to simply sit back and watch our people be exterminated as they were in Pakistan and Afghnistan? I guess you would expect us to turn a blind eye to the gnocide of Hindus in Kashmir and the Ethnic cleanisng that has already taken place with 400,000 Hindus, as well as Christians, Jews and Sikhs being displaced in their own country.

It is very clear to me that you are a muslim who just wants to ad in some anti-Hindu statements to mislead the people.

The violence between the Hindus and Christians was a very isolated incident, sadly it happened, but very isolated which left many of us wondering why the tensions rose to such heights. Yet, the leader of the ruling party of India, the Congress party, is an Italian Born Catholic, and Christians have held very powerful posts in the past of Indian's government. However, contrast thi with Porkistan, the plight of Christians in Pakiland is horrible, they are being exterminated, they are being targetted. Since you bastards have wiped out the Hindu population of Pakistan (a genocide to which the West turned a blind eye), the only infidels left in fair numbers are the Christians who are now being marked for death.

So instead of trying to make the Hindus look bad, bring the whole picture or don't mention anything at all.

And stop tryng to be so clever, you're a muslim and use typical tactics.

Posted by: Gorkhali at December 1, 2008 10:30 AM

Michael,

You also need to wade through the hadiths. And practically every thread here points to part of a recommended reading list.

You wrote " in ages past christians and jews lived under muslim rule much peacefully "

Yes, as long as they accepted second class citizenship (dhimmitude), they lived sort of peacefully.

And "western policies were rather exploiting those countries when they had direct rule over them"

The problem predates "western policies". The problem predates the creation of the United States.

Posted by: jay at December 1, 2008 10:33 AM

Christians are being methodically exterminated in Iraq right now.
Everywhere moslems rule, people die.
Moslems are the original dividers of people, when I hear of Israel being an apatheid state, I laugh.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 1, 2008 10:38 AM

Muhammad Usman Aslam wrote:

Everybody knows they are funding militancy in the Balochistan province. So its about time they got a medicine of their own liking. As resentful of indian policies my thoughts may be, but still my religion doesnt approve of killing innocent helpless victims like the one's killed in Mumbai.
and therefore i hope the families can bear the tough moments, though it should open the eyes of all that their own govt can kill their own people just to get some anti-Islamic propoganda a lift.
.....................

Muhammed seems to be claiming in this paragraph both that the Mumbai terror attacks were just revenge by Muslims, and then--at the end of the passage--implies that the attacks were actually carried out by the Indian government to make Muslims look bad.

We should not be surprised--we have seen this cognitive dissonance before, in Muslims who celebrated 9/11 as a great victory, while at the same time claiming that the attacks had been ordered by George Bush and executed by Mossad to start a false war on terror.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 1, 2008 11:34 PM

What staggers me at time in my tracks is how common Jews and Hindus are never able to even sense any ills committed from their government sides.

Everybody knows how the Israelis have killed 20in revenge for 1 killed. Their hold on world media strongly portrays the 1jew that was killed, not the 20 children r women slayed. As per independent sources, the ratio of palestinians and israelis killed since the conflict began is 80-20. While it speaks volumes about more sophisticated weapons and better intelligence on the israelis part, it also signifies their thirst for muslim blood. Less said the better.

India is the so called new emerging superpower. Well perhaps the so called writers fail to see the 37% living bewow the poverty line in slums, drinking from drains.
Amazingly while they claim to be the most secular of all democracies, the ratio of minorities living below the poverty line is alarmingly higher than normal hindus. As per the recent report submitted by an ex Indian SC judge, Muslims are at 45% and christians at 40% of communities not having access to basic necessasities of life.
So much is being said about the MUmbai carnage, ofcourse its deplorable. but where was every peace loving activist from this site when christians were being forces to convert to hinduism and muslims were being burnt alive in Gujrat.

As for Mr. jusitifying gujrat riots just coz a train was burnt, well there you have it.
You have just justified how your religion would allow butchering and burning alive more than 2,000 muslim men and women for the 70odd hindus burnt. I think its about time you stop this discussion about Islam or christianity being violent religions.

Moreover, I've met dozens of india's neighbours.. they are all sick n tired of their involvment in their country's affairs....from Srilankan Tamil tigers conflict to Nepal's maoist resistance.Nobody is happy with India, not even the 253 districts of India where seperatist movements are still going on.

As a Christian, i can see why ISLAM is being so much criticized but i wonder, Why is still against all this negative projection of this religion, it still stands as the fastest growing religion of the world... go on scratch ur heads or bal*s if any !!

Posted by: Abraham Levine at December 3, 2008 3:48 AM