It's par for the course.

Beslan:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/beslan-hostagetakers-were-on-drugs-535298.html

Posted by: Silvester at December 3, 2008 10:14 AM

Looks to me like another distraction.

"Oh, they're on drugs, that explains it."

We have drug wars right here in the US too.

Posted by: Abrog8 at December 3, 2008 10:15 AM

While I can understand the steroids and cocaine use to pump up the system in this attack, I am confused as to the histrical reference. I mean, hashish just makes you mellow, sort of laid back, relaxed....or at least that's what I've been told. Not that I would know from personal experience...uh, yeah, that's it, I read it in a medical journal, umm...
Later
Albert

Posted by: GamblersChoice at December 3, 2008 10:19 AM

A tragic and somewhat illuminateing though quite sensational story; if the Telegraph story is indeed true.

Brings up the point that many unstable people, who call themselve muslims, who are to a large degree products of islam, foolishly hasten death because the have no healthy concept of life or death.

Posted by: Kinky smith at December 3, 2008 10:22 AM

GamblersChoice, I think the point with the hashish was that the would-be killer would first be smoked so incredibly high that he didn't care much about anything.

Then the chief assassin would hand him a sword, ask him to go into that building and kill such-and-such person.

To which the stoned-out person would go "Sure, why not?" and plunge ahead.

I might be wrong, but evil has many ways.

In this case, since they're martyr wanna-be's anyway, it makes sense for them to pump up their bodies with every stimulant under the sun before going into action, in order to maximize the body count they create before going down themselves.

This is so disgusting. Now, where are the demontrations against this being committed in the name of Islam..?

Posted by: Henrik at December 3, 2008 10:33 AM

LSD, no way, too freaky

Coke, very unlikely, the effect is very short term

Speed, very likely, the effect is long term

Gerin Oil, definitely.

Posted by: InfidelK9 at December 3, 2008 10:33 AM

Traces of LSD? LSD is a mind warper...No one can function on LSD.

Ingesting cocaine and steroids may have some military benefit, but LSD is hardly a battlefield drug, seeing that it causes hallucinations, disorganization and confusion.

It would be easy to convince someone on LSD that they were talking to, and interacting with Allah.

These guys were trained to be efficient robotic killers...Brain washing with chemicals could very well be part of the training...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 3, 2008 10:37 AM

The "roid rage" is also a plus when you have the job of murdering masses of people.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-roid-rage.htm
There is just no end to the joy of islam, is there?
/

Oh, and allah damn Typepad!

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 3, 2008 10:41 AM

Yet another National Pastime sullied by steroid use.
...................

This is so horrible, but I was literally laughing out loud at this one. Sure makes baseball--juiced up or not--look pretty innocent.

I just wonder if they'll be able to-uh-take care of all those 72 "Dark-eyed Virgins"--steroids are known to cause problems with this sort of thing. Oh, well, Allah knows best.

Henrik wrote:

GamblersChoice, I think the point with the hashish was that the would-be killer would first be smoked so incredibly high that he didn't care much about anything.

Then the chief assassin would hand him a sword, ask him to go into that building and kill such-and-such person.

To which the stoned-out person would go "Sure, why not?" and plunge ahead.
..............

I think another point with the use of hashish is that it is a very effective pain killer. If the user were injured, he wouldn't feel it as much, and would keep fighting. This advantage might have been worth it, even if the hash otherwise "mellowed him out" a bit.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 3, 2008 10:45 AM

The last thing any human being under the influence of LSD would want to do is kill another person. It would undermine and dismantle the warped and evil mindset they are driven by, intensify a thousandfold the nightmarish world they already inhabit,and highlight the total absence of empathy in their consciousness, rendering them incapable of murder. It is not a substance that perpetuates and reinforces hate. Much research has been done on this in the last 50 years. So it would be surprising if these jihadists used it. However, mixed as a cocktail with 'power' drugs like cocaine and speed? Only a complete lunatic would contemplate that kind of idiocy, but then these people fit the bill.

Posted by: johndoe at December 3, 2008 10:50 AM

LSD is weird. These persons live in warped reality already, why add another layer? And how would LSD add to their already formidable killer arsenal?

Of course, the mega-combo might have some utterly insane composite effect that few people ever lived to survive...

Posted by: Henrik at December 3, 2008 10:55 AM

Drugs and jihad training are covered in the enlightening book, The Last Night of a Damned Soul. The book is a manual on how to turn a depressed muslim into a jihadi and is fascinating.

Sorry I don't know how to make a live link:
http://www.amazon.com/Last-Night-Damned-Soul-Novel/dp/0802117805/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228319503&sr=1-1

Posted by: the poetess at December 3, 2008 10:55 AM

The last thing any human being under the influence of LSD would want to do is kill another person.

I have to disagree with you there, John Doe.
In my experience, I had a person on LSD tell me I was "the Devil" and I should be killed.
It is all about what is inside the user's soul.
Evil user = evil acts.
No, I was never a doper.
Just that in my former job, I have been around every kind of illegal activity.
Also, some people get mean on weed.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 3, 2008 11:06 AM

This has a venerable history. Read John Roy Carlson's 'Cairo to Damascus' where he 'embedded' with the Egyptian holy warriors of 1948 getting all hashed up to go butcher Jews.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 3, 2008 11:07 AM

Henrik

The use of hashish by Hassan-i Sabbāh "the old man of the mountain"

A future assassin was subjected to rites very similar to those of other mystery cults in which the subject was made to believe that he was in imminent danger of death. But the twist of the assassins was that they drugged the person with hashish to simulate a "dying" to later have them awaken in a garden flowing with wine and served a sumptuous feast by virgins.

The supplicant was then convinced he was in Heaven and that Sabbah was a representative of the divinity At a certain point (when their initiation could be said to have begun) the drug was withdrawn from them, and they were removed from the gardens and flung into a dungeon. There they were informed that, if they wished to return to the paradise they had so recently enjoyed it would be at Sabbah's discretion, and that they must therefore follow his directions exactly, up to and including murder and self-sacrifice.

As for Mumbai and Beslans the drugs that where used where amphetamines

Some form of the drug such as dextroamphetamine, or Dexedrine, are being used by the USAF. The United States has increasingly relied on air power to extend its military might across the globe since the end of the Cold War, forcing pilots to fly more and longer missions. And the military argues that the stimulants are necessary for the ''performance maintenance'' of its pilots.

The practice of issuing pills to pilots harken back at least to World War II, when the Germans and British gave amphetamines to their aviators. The US Air Force's Strategic Air Command first started dispensing amphetamines in 1960, followed two years later by the Tactical Air Command.

The Mumbai Kilers where more than likely on a deadly cocktail of Crystal Meth and an extreme overdose of Gerin Oil

# 1 Crystal Meth
is a drug that strongly reacts with the brain, and is more potent than other stimulants such as cocaine.

The effects are increased alertness and physical activity, decreased appetite and increased respiration. (Incredibly, small doses have previously been used as treatment for conditions such as obesity.) People often begin to use crystal meth simply as a means to stay awake.

The drug can be taken in many ways: oral, nasal, injection or smoking. And it has many different names; the most common are speed, meth, ice and glass. Others include blade, chalk, crystal glass, hot ice, L.A. glass, L.A. ice, shards, stove top, super ice and Tina.

The long-term effects are terrifying. Those who become fully addicted exhibit violent behavior, anxiety, confusion, insomnia, among many other psychological problems. Brain and heart damage can occur. In a very short time, users become paranoid, disturbed, delusional and often experience hallucinations.

“Chronic methamphetamine abuse can lead to psychotic behavior including intense paranoia, visual and auditory hallucinations, and out-of-control rages that can result in violent episodes.

Oftentimes, users lose all control: “Some users, while refraining from eating and sleeping, will binge, also known as a ‘run’ on methamphetamine. During these binges, users will inject as much as a gram of methamphetamine every 2 to 3 hours over several days until they run out of the drug or are too dazed to continue use”

This drug can trap the user in a death-grip.

# 2 Gerin Oil
(or Geriniol to give it its scientific name) is a powerful drug which acts directly on the central nervous system to produce a range of symptoms, often of an anti-social or self-damaging nature. It can permanently modify the child brain to produce adult disorders, including dangerous delusions which are hard to treat. The four doomed flights of September 11th 2001 were Gerin Oil trips: all nineteen of the hijackers were high on the drug at the time. Historically, Geriniolism was responsible for atrocities such as the Salem Witch Hunts and the massacres of Native South Americans by Conquistadores. Gerin Oil fuelled most of the wars of the European Middle Ages and, in more recent times, the carnage that attended the partitioning of the Indian subcontinent and of Ireland.

Gerin Oil intoxication can drive previously sane individuals to run away from a normally fulfilled human life and retreat to closed communities of confirmed addicts. These communities are usually limited to one sex only.

“Here we have the archetypal mainliner, doped up with hard, unrefined, unadulterated, high-octane Gerin oil.”

http://indahnesia.com/Images/News/20080721_amrozi_still_smiling.jpg

Posted by: InfidelK9 at December 3, 2008 11:10 AM

interestinconundrum: "In my experience, I had a person on LSD tell me I was "the Devil" and I should be killed."

That sounds rough and not a little scary. I hope you managed to put him straight...so to speak. I take your point about evil users committing evil deeds. When a person crosses the line into the realm of absolute evil, as Islamic jihadists have done, then whatever they ingest would nourish their malevolence.

Posted by: johndoe at December 3, 2008 11:24 AM

InfidelK9, you bastard! That was a good one :)

Anyway, I'm pondering what these prospective 'martyrs' will experience when they wake up in the afterlife.

Possibly intense heat, flames and explosions all around them, molten lead being pourn down their throats and their skin being ripped off repeatedly just for the sake of pain. Forced injections with sense-stimulating drugs, probably too. Then, looking around, they identify Allah - sitting on a thrown of glowing iron, enjoying the fate of those around.

Then, in a pause from the torment, they get up and ask, for they thought the book had promised them a somewhat, ehm, different fate. Allah replies: "No way, this is the fate of those who fall for deception to commit hineous acts of violence. You've come to the right place. Better get used to it, you'll be here for a while."

The somewhat disspirited non-martyrs then mount their last defense: "Sure, this looks quite vividly like the Quran describes Hell, including you being here to stoke the fires with the bodies of the infidels. But we're not infidels, we're Muslims. This cannot be!"

Putting up an evil grin, Allah continues: "The Quran, the book given by Muhammad? He did a few editing mistakes in that book. Hell is the place for people with no faith in Christ the Saviour and who thus fall from grace into barbary. Sorry, he created a mock religion with bad results. If you want to avoid this, you need to stay clear of deception and avoid committing acts of evil."

___ End hypothetical fate ____

I'm hoping the 'martyrs' will stay there until there is no more 'Islam' on the face of the earth. And I'm wishing that time to be as short as possible.

Posted by: Henrik at December 3, 2008 11:32 AM

How can they say they "killed for Allah" if they were too stoned to know what they were doing?

So much for the virgins! Sorry guys! For you, hell awaits!

Posted by: PMK at December 3, 2008 11:51 AM

Gerin oil...Haha...I wish I had thought of that...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 3, 2008 12:09 PM

Henrik

As islam does not permit cremation the only vigins that await them can be seen here

http://www.thebutterwormstore.com/catalog/images/worm.jpg

Posted by: InfidelK9 at December 3, 2008 12:23 PM

Gerin oil.... Funny, sounds like Geritol. Leave it to a militant atheist like Dawkins to concoct it.

Though I prefer to substitute "hooked on Islam".

That said, the steriods and cocaine make a lot of sense. Back during the 1920's and '30's. American gangsters/hitmen were big users of cocaine, which they used before doing a hit.

Steriods are good for making you strong, recover much faster from training and injuries, not to mention making the user aggressive and violent as hell. Guys who use it for any length of time also tend to get hair trigger tempers that if tripped sets off a violent emotional outburst.

Good combo for killers.

Posted by: waltc at December 3, 2008 1:43 PM

Apart from 'Coke' and LSD(Acid) , they must have used Methedrine/Dexedrine ( Amphetamines -Speed). It keeps them awake , full of energy , practically aversion to food , full of over confidence , no regrets of losing personal life (suicidal tendencies), and carry on without sleep for 6-7 days. They are Psychotropic drugs , mind - altering drugs. They use opium also . The investigators must factor in this angle too . Terrorism and Drugs go hand in hand. These guys ordered lot of food but eat nothing ( aversion !to food but desire yes !).

Posted by: Kash225 at December 3, 2008 1:48 PM

Related, the Taleban are mostly heroin addicts.

Posted by: Henrik at December 3, 2008 2:42 PM

from above: Amphetamines -Speed). It keeps them awake , full of energy , practically aversion to food , full of over confidence , no regrets of losing personal life (suicidal tendencies), and carry on without sleep for 6-7 days.

That's the upside...The downside is that the drugs are tricking the body...At some point...probably sooner than 6/7 days, the body can't keep up with the demand even with drugs, and total collapse can occur. This could mean death for the terrorist without being shot...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 3, 2008 2:50 PM

..."The downside is that the drugs are tricking the body...This could mean death for the terrorist without being shot..."

How is that a downside???

..."Related, the Taleban are mostly heroin addicts."...

You can't just throw out a statement like that without some documentable proof. We have to be better than our enemy. An undocumented, blanket acusation is common for an immam or apologist, but not acceptable here.
Unless, of course it was meant as a joke....
Later
Albert

Posted by: GamblersChoice at December 3, 2008 3:49 PM

GamblersChoice, you are right. I saw that documentation in a documentary on Danish television, where they followed our boys doing their job in the dusty mountains of Afghanistan. They entered a Taliban stronghold they had just taken, and commented, as a matter of cause, on the debris they found:

"Drug pharanelia. We always find that left behind by the Taleban."

Unfortunately, the documentary is in Danish, it was a few months ago, and I do not have a link at hand for it.

That's what I have on this subject. More should be out there.

Posted by: Henrik at December 3, 2008 4:00 PM

Thanks for that. I can't speak Danish, so a link wouldn't help me much, but at least this indicates that there is something to substantiate(sp?) the statement, good enough for me
Later
Albert

Posted by: GamblersChoice at December 3, 2008 4:23 PM

This is what a Muslim in Indonesia told V S Naipaul, in 1979 or 1980:

"Islam can become a cocaine.

It [Islam] makes you high.

"You go to that mosque and you get high, and when you get high, everything that happens becomes Allah's will."

(Among the Believers, 1981; 2001 revised edition, paperback, p. 356.)

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 3, 2008 4:31 PM

I may add that in Jackie Pullinger's 'Chasing the Dragon' (story of an English charismatic Christian missionary who walked right into the notorious Walled City precinct of Hong Kong, and started in to drag people out of prostitution, drug addiction and organised crime) she notes that many of the 'foot soldiers' of the Triad gangs, were addicted to heroin. If they got too messed up, they would be dumped; but they were useful for the gang bosses, while they lasted.

(The gang bosses couldn't believe their eyes when Jackie started picking up and de-drugging their hopeless discards and turning them into sane and productive human beings... So they mostly left her alone, out of sheer fascinated curiosity).

The parallel between the triad bosses making use of drug users, and the jihad bosses filling their troops full of drugs, is interesting.

I wonder how many captured jihadists end up with the screaming heeby-jeebies not because their Infidel captors are deliberately torturing them, but simply because circumstances are forcing them to go Cold Turkey?

There's probably a connection between what Islam does to the mind, and the all-pervasiveness of soft and hard drug use in Muslim societies - just look at qat in Somalia and Yemen.

Looks as though the much-hyped and sneeringly self-righteous Muslim ban on alcohol is yet another case of denial, projection and scapegoating.

They forbid wine, condemn and attack wine-drinkers...while permitting all kinds of things that are much, much worse than wine.

Lie about chewing qat all day, hash up, fill yourself with a poisonous cocktail of mind-altering substances both ancient and modern before going on Jihad to murder lots and lots of innocent civilians...and then rage furiously against the immorality of those wicked Christians partaking of a sip of communion wine, or Jews at the Passover seder, or a bunch of happy nonreligious Englishmen or Aussies in a pub.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 3, 2008 4:56 PM

I defer to all the expert advice here on individual hard drugs. While I agree that Islam is most assuredly, in itself, a "high" as Dumbledore has said, the maximum body count can be achieved by a drugged up suicide soldier. Remember that even the kamakasi pilots drank liquor before their final journey. I am sure this is a well tested phenomena.

Posted by: Spot on at December 3, 2008 5:00 PM

..."The downside is that the drugs are tricking the body...This could mean death for the terrorist without being shot..."

How is that a downside???

It's a downside for military use. Complete physical collapse is not desirable during a mission. The human body can only go so far, drugs or no drugs...That's the downside of amphetamines...You notice, speed is not a regular army issue...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 3, 2008 5:46 PM

I cannot get over the LSD thing. I tried to ride a bike on mushrooms once. Don't do that. You can't do hallucinagens without music and movies. There's nothing in it for Muslims. Anything in their own subconsciouses would be so dark that I can't imagine they would do it twice. It could be some residue from speed. Meth has hallucinatory properties. It also causes sever paranoi and can trigger violence in people who are predisposed to it.

Amphetamines can be useful in the short-term for missions like these. They obviously weren't hardcore speed users, since they looked pretty chunky. Even with steroids, speed turns people into ghosts. The Nazis rolled over Northern Africa and Eastern Europe lickety-split because of benzadrine. It wasn't just the Panzer tanks that got the job done. But the long-term effects are horrible. Hitler was a cokehead. He was a shaky, scrawny ghost who could barely stand up by the end.

As for the virgins, I always pictured them more like these ladies.

Posted by: jdamn at December 3, 2008 6:45 PM

".Amphetamines can be useful in the short-term for missions like these. They obviously weren't hardcore speed users, since they looked pretty chunky. Even with steroids, speed turns people into ghosts.."..

Forgot to mention combination of Amphetamine ( Meth) with Barbiturate ( Luminol etc.). One is a strong stimulant giving strong 'euphoria' and the other is a potent 'sedative' causing sleep. This combination used to be called "Purple Hearts". The combination is bizzare effect.

The idea is that with little training one can control 'the downsides' and 'the upsides'. If someone dies so what. These terrorists are in any case " Temporaries " in life like the 'moth fies' that are attracted to light to die. No one of these 'soldiers of Islam' are permanent. Permanents are those who are in control in Pakistan and its 'allies'.

This is 'Intellectual Stink'/ Islam. Unfortunate.

Posted by: Kash225 at December 4, 2008 12:31 AM

Stoned on Islam? Just say No!

Posted by: champ at December 4, 2008 1:15 AM

The last thing any human being under the influence of LSD would want to do is kill another person. It would undermine and dismantle the warped and evil mindset they are driven by, intensify a thousandfold the nightmarish world they already inhabit,and highlight the total absence of empathy in their consciousness, rendering them incapable of murder. It is not a substance that perpetuates and reinforces hate. Much research has been done on this in the last 50 years.

If that's true, that might be a way to manage this problem of Islam: send out a few thousand crop-dusters to spray LSD on north Africa, the Middle East (give the Israelis heads up so they can wear special masks), Pakistan and other Stans, Malaysia, Indonesia and South Phililppines.

Posted by: DenverRodeo at December 4, 2008 2:56 AM

Posted by: DenverRodeo at December 4, 2008 2:56 AM

"(give the Israelis heads up so they can wear special masks), "

Denver, you bone head, LSD intoxicates on contact ...any contact....if it so much as touches your skin it will cause intoxication.

Man, I'd hate to see you try survie the gas chamber in training...I imagine you are the one they had in mind when they wrote on the claymore:

"This Side Towards Enemy"

: )

Abdullah Mikail

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at December 4, 2008 5:55 PM

Furthermore,

I suspect the LSD story is just a plant to demonize.

I seriously doubt that the Indian Goverment did spinal taps on the attackers and tested the cerebrospinal fluid... in less than a few hours after the event ended.

They decided to test their spinal fluid specifically looking for LSD?

Sounds far fetched...

Truth? Not sure...

Adbullah Mikail

Posted by: Abdullah Mikail at December 4, 2008 6:01 PM

Only AM would smile while calling someone a bonehead (which is one word, not two).

AM, I thought that smiley-faces were against your lame religion. How anti-Islamic of you. How's it feel being stoned on Islam? Enjoy the trip!

Posted by: champ at December 4, 2008 6:35 PM

One can detect LSD in somone's system if they are still high on it or were when they were killed, like most stimulants. That actually happened to a friend of mine when I was in high school. His parents tricked him into going to rehab. They didn't use one of those $200 CIA drug tests, either, just the regular one that use on high school athletes.

Posted by: jdamn at December 5, 2008 9:29 AM