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"Sources also refuse to believe that the Pakistani army did not have knowledge of the Mumbai operation given that ISI is controlled by it." It has gotten very hot in here all of a sudden.
"US, India: We've proof of ISI role in Mumbai attacks," from ExpressIndia, December 4 (thanks to Mackie):
New Delhi: India has proof that ISI was involved in planning the Mumbai terror attacks and training the terrorists who killed 183 people during a 60-hour siege of the country's financial capital, sources said.The names of trainers and the places where meticulous training took place are also known to the government, the sources said.
The United States is believed to have even more evidence some of which it has shared with India, they said.
Chairman of US Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mike Mullen, who was in Pakistan on Wednesday, is believed to have told his Pakistani interlocutors that Washington had enough evidence to show a Pakistani hand in the attack, the sources said.
Sources also refuse to believe that the Pakistani army did not have knowledge of the Mumbai operation given that ISI is controlled by it.
At the same time, sources do not believe that the civilian government in Pakistan is involved in the attack. In fact, one view is that the civilian government itself may be a target of the strike which may be used by the army to heighten tensions with India to return to power.
Washington has asked Pakistan to crackdown on Lashkar-e-Toiba, which now goes under the name of Jamaat-ud-Dawa, and to arrest its chief Hafeez Mohd Saeed because it has evidence of their involvement in the attack, the sources said.
The attack was planned, equipped and organised in Pakistan where the terrorists were trained and provided logistical support.
Contrary to the version that the terrorists used a hijacked Indian fishing boat to reach Mumbai after sailing from Karachi, the view is that much more sophisticated means were used.
The sources spoke of a clear disconnect between the Pakistani civilian government and the all-powerful military establishment, which is causing difficulties for India in dealing with the situation....
Posted by Robert at December 4, 2008 10:54 AM
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via Atlas Shrugs & Anatreptic. . .
No Third World Guns
This picture, taken in the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks, is disturbing on a number of levels.Posted by: miira
These aren't AK-47s, the cheap and ubiquitous automatic weapons favored in the third world because, while crude, will shoot under almost any circumstance. No, these are Heckler & Koch MP5s, the standard submachine gun of security services throughout the world, including our own special forces in all branches of the military.
This isn't a black market gun. While people living in caves in Afghanistan can and do manufacture Kalashnikovs by hand, the MP5 is a sophisticated weapon requiring high tech metallurgy and other technologies for their production.
Pakistan Ordinance Factories manufactures these weapons under license from HK, and they are under the control of the Pakistani Ministry of Defense.
Its hard to escape the implications.
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at December 4, 2008 3:45 PM
Somewhat OT
as I sit here (7 am FRiday 5 December Aussie time) I am listening to the ABC news. I just heard something about some terrorists (jihadists, of course) being dealt with at New Delhi airport.
I checked the news website but it's so new it hasn't been posted there yet. Will check again a bit later on and google round and see what I can find.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 4, 2008 4:07 PM
Here's a preliminary link on the news from New Delhi.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 4, 2008 4:11 PM
Now India is getting warmer...much warmer. There is nothing wrong with the I.S.I that 100..scratch that.. 500 lbs of high explosives wouldn't help and that isn't a joke. They are the cat sh.t in the floor heater.
Posted by: pismopal at December 4, 2008 5:03 PM
War between two nuclear armed neighbors is very dangerous for planet earth...almost, but not quite, as dangerous as turning a blind eye to the state facilitators of indiscriminate mass murder.
Posted by: Cornelius at December 4, 2008 5:11 PM
Huh. Maybe Obama was right about invading pakistan. Imagine that...
Posted by: Archonix at December 4, 2008 5:41 PM
oops
The ISI cats are out of the bag. Will Pakistan try to continue to try and play the double game? Will the idiots in charge of Chaos with a Parliament start making smart decisions or will it just be jihad as usual?
Posted by: tanstaafl at December 4, 2008 7:04 PM
more pressuce on the paks, and stop all money from the west, let them go begging to the sowdis.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 4, 2008 8:37 PM
I've so far only seen this 'proof of ISI involvement' story in Indian media. I'll distrust it until I get more than anonymous sources in Indian papers. After all, seven of the attachers "were British" until this was flatly denied by the authorities.
Incidentally the New Dehli airport was a false alarm http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/12/05/2438502.htm
and six shots heard became six gunmen killed in some media.
at December 4, 2008 9:32 PM
Talking to the Pakistani government is a waste of time. It is not really a government at all, but rather the administrative and enforcement arm of the criminal Jihadist forces that are the real power in Pakistan, i.e., the military/ISI. India, with whatever logistical and reconnaissance support the U.S. can provide, should strike directly at the training facilities of the LeT, or whatever it calls itself, with a massive and lethal blow that would put an end to the cross border raids.
The Bombay (I mean, Mumbai) incident should be occasion for at least a petit mal epiphany for Obama about the true nature of Dar-al-Islam and the fight it keeps spoiling for with the Dar-al-Harb. He has shown promise of being educable. I hope he is using his time before 20 January to begin laying some serious groundwork for the conflict with Pakistan that seems increasingly inevitable.
Posted by: Eastview at December 4, 2008 9:58 PM
What will the U.S. do if war erupts?
We see Pakistan as a partner, will the U.S. stay out of it? Fight against India? Fight with India against our "friend", Pakistan?
Knots, lots of knots.
Posted by: Islofob IS-1 at December 5, 2008 3:24 PM
ISI is Pakistan's second government.
You can't read news about Pakistan without knowing that.
Posted by: joeblough at December 6, 2008 6:49 PM
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