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December 4, 2008

Egyptian cleric calls Obama to convert to Islam

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As you may have noticed, the site has been down for several hours -- but don't worry, we have not been hacked. I was told that there was a problem with a server in Atlanta, and that I'd just have to wait, and anyway, now the problem, whatever it was, seems to have been solved.

And while we were out comes this news of an Egyptian cleric telling Obama, "aslim taslam" (أسلم تسلم‎) -- "Embrace Islam and you will be safe." This phrase is derived from Muhammad's words:

Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)"

Note the clear implication that if the one to whom this call is issued does not become a Muslim, his life and property will not be safe.

There is also the question of what is to become of the person who declines the invitation to become a Muslim. Muhammad said this also:

When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. [...]

If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them.

"Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal Calls on President-Elect Obama to Convert to Islam, and Threatens: We Have People Who are Eager to Die," from MEMRITV, November 27 (just posted), with thanks to Paul:

Following are excerpts from an address delivered by Egyptian cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal, which aired on Al-Nas TV on November 27, 2008.

Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal: Let me take this opportunity to address the leader of Europe, and the leader of America, who is the leader of the world, the recently-elected Obama, who is the leader of the Byzantines – he is like the Byzantine leaders in the days of Prophet Muhammad.

My message to him is three-fold. First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh Obama – convert to Islam, and you will be saved. I hope that Allah will reward you twice: Once for converting to Islam, and another reward for all those who will convert in your footsteps. If you want glory – you will find it in Islam. If you want honor – you will find it in Islam. In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation, even if you are the president of the entire world.

[...]

You, Obama, are among those who have pledged before Allah – Allah who created you, sustained you, and brought you to this position – to be a Muslim who believes that Allah is the one God, especially since you have some kind of roots in Islam. Convert to Islam, and you will be saved. All glory and honor lie in following Allah and His messenger Muhammad. Know that the true religion is the religion of Islam, and all other religions are fabricated religions, which are null and void – religions that were abrogated by the shari’a of Muhammad.

If you refuse to return to your [Islamic] origins, to the way Allah created you, withdraw your huge armies and military bases from the lands of the Muslims. Know that all your predecessors have ended up in the garbage bin of history, and that America’s black and bleak history in the land of the Muslims and the Arabs constitutes an evil omen for you, your predecessors, and your successors. Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing. If you refuse, Obama, and insist on remaining in Muslim lands, know that Allah still plants in [Muslims] obedience to Him, and they are willing to wait for Paradise, which is closer than their own shoelaces.

Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death
, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

Posted by Robert at December 4, 2008 3:39 PM
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If Obama wants to appropriately answer that invitation, he should have his picture taken while standing with both of his feet on a copy of Mein Qurampf, much in the same way that William Ayers was photographed with his feet on an American Flag.

Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:01 PM

"Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death..."

Oh. I thought these guys were all happy that Obama got elected and that they were only willing to kill themselves because they hated George W. Bush.

Let's see Obama handle this one. Maybe their "poverty" and "desperate situation" causes them to be willing to die for Islam. Hmmmmmm............

Posted by: S Perry [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:06 PM

The prayer bump: the ultimate Islamic status symbol.
Includes brain damage at no extra cost.

Posted by: Silvester [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:08 PM

surely according to AM this hadith that orders to fight infidels is "unislamic"

Posted by: Péguy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:19 PM

All these guys are is extortionists.

'Join our Gang of Thugs, Bullies, Arab Supremacists and Bow to the Arabs, the Best of Peoples'.

'If you don't want to join the Gang, hand over the payola and maybe maybe maybe we'll allow you to live - but we reserve the right to treat you like sh*t any time we like.

'If you won't join the Gang, and you won't hand over the Jizya/ Payola/ Protection Money, then we is gonna KILL you'.

Nice 'religion'...NOT.

I don't see much difference between this 'cleric' and the head of an outlaw bikie gang.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:22 PM

"In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation".....from headline.

What! This cleric is such a liar, especially since Islam humiliates anything good and wholesome, and ebraces everything foul and evil.

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:41 PM

Hitler's mistake, I suppose, was that he didn't tie in Nazism with religion. If he had, then the British, and all the rest of us, would not have been able to fight him, out of sensitivity and respect for his religion.

Or did people think differently in those days?

Posted by: PG [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:44 PM

If America withdrew its aid from Muslim lands, they'd all starve.

Posted by: jewcat [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 4:56 PM

"Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal" --

You're an idiot and an asshole.

I wish I could slap your Barbarian ugly bearded face.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:05 PM

This sartorially and vocally challenged simian exhibits that characteristic of all tyrants and fanatics who wish to impose their will on others...the dreaded finger wagging. It's so taxing on the digits he has to change hands quite frequently. Listening to this neanderthal is like being hammered over the head.

Posted by: johndoe [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:07 PM

now we need only wait to learn whether or not the Rev. Jeremiah Wright taught the young Obama enough to recognize the vomit spewed by this cleric. the "call" was to be expected, considering his past. now the pressure will be constant and immense for him to follow the path of his father.

Posted by: boakai ngombu [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:07 PM
Listening to this neanderthal is like being hammered over the head.

I think I would rather be hammered over my head than listen to any of these troglodytes.

(I have a 10 pound sledge in my tool box for just such occasions!)

Posted by: boneshack [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:17 PM

"Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life..."

Know this – I am eager to assist in you search for death, anytime anywhere!

Posted by: SwedishWiking [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:22 PM

Why doesn't this Egyptian clown pick up a rifle?

Posted by: MiamiInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 5:58 PM

[Your] predecessors have ended up in the garbage bin of history...

Uh, our predecessors devised the single greatest gift to all of humankind: Jeffersonian democracy. We're the greatest nation in the world. And your country, Mr. monkey man with the hairline all the way down to his nose (can that even happen?)? It's been at the bottom of the scrap heap of history ever since Perv Mo enslaved Mary the Copt. But don't worry. You might go 2nd-world any century now. Just kidding. That will never happen.

Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 6:01 PM

I so pity the female relatives of the above half-human. They're probably chained to the walls in his cave.

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 6:44 PM

This guy should be in a zoo.

With a sign that says "All of the animals, including the hippos, rhinos, and crocs, are more intelligent."

Posted by: darcy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 6:46 PM

“I don't see much difference between this 'cleric' and the head of an outlaw bikie gang.”
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy

HEY dumbledore, watch who you dissin’ girl! I resemble that remark!

Well maybe not the “head of” part or the “outlaw part” but certainly the “bikie” part.

And please refer to us as “bikER” in the future, so as not to slight the “macho” (and of course “macha”) image that we try to keep as carefully polished as our Harleys.


Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 6:48 PM

Well, this is certainly a change from the invitations that he gives to his young students to meet him in one of the madrassas' dark corners for a little one-on-one instruction.

Posted by: tanstaafl [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 6:56 PM

dave

No offence meant.

Indeed, someone like you on your Harley - zooming along, spreading far and wide your deadly little leaflets skewering Mohammed and warning of the dangers of Jihad and Sharia - might be visualised as the modern day equivalent of one of the Knights of St John, or one of Jan Sobieski's Winged Hussars.

Are your mates as clued up as you are? Or are you still working on them?

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 7:06 PM

I invite him to convert to Islam.

I don't pretend to speak for the President Elect, but I invite you to kiss my ass.

Know, Obama, that in the lands of Islam, there are people who seek death, and are eager for it, even more than you and your people are eager for life – any kind of life, even a life of humiliation.

Know, Oh Nitwit, that in the land of Freedom, there are still people who are willing to grant their wish.

Posted by: RalphInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 7:11 PM

Ok, I think I'm missing something. Where was the canned laugh track? This was a joke right? Ok, fess up, which one of you is still celebrating Halloween?

Posted by: Captain America [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 7:31 PM

I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing to have the honor of extending that prayer dent into a tunnel as a shortcut for the head lice on their daily commute.

I have just the tool for the job, if a 9-millimeter entrance is OK. The exit may be a little bigger...

RSI

PS: Typepad es un pedazo de mierda.

Posted by: RedStateInfidel [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 7:47 PM

No offence taken dumbledore, I was just being funny.

The good news is that most bikers “get it” pretty quickly, once it is explained, as their brains are not clouded much with multiculturalism. The bad news is that most have no clue about Islam, so there is a lot of work to do. Bikers are a fun group, but unfortunately most of them don’t read much so you have to “spoon feed” them a bit –all in a days work though.

Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 8:04 PM

We got no money, the Saudi's, the UAE, they got all the money, why don't they feed all the little muslim children? We can help out we can buy gas.

Posted by: maunalio [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 8:08 PM

"Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal should be begging for more money from his big rich brothers over in the land of saud. so far he has been groveling from the feet of infidels for his money, food and shelter. such are these poor beggars no
honour among muslims.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 8:35 PM

With his finger waving he reminded me of Bill Clinton, I almost expected him to say...'I did not have...anything to do with that woman, or any woman'.

From artricle: You, Obama, are among those who have pledged before Allah – Allah who created you, sustained you, and brought you to this position – to be a Muslim who believes that Allah is the one God, especially since you have some kind of roots in Islam.

Well, other than 'where's your birth certificate', the sixty four dollar question is, 'do you believe Allah is God'?

The ten dollar question is 'do you believe Moahmmad was the messenger of God'?

The five dollar question is, do you believe the Quran is Allahs word for all time?

The one dollar question, 'are you a muslim'?

The twenty five cent question, 'did Allah create typepad?

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 8:37 PM

Dave

in some ways the awful stories that have come out of Mumbai should make your task easier (and, indeed, the task of all of us who are trying to raise the alarm).

A. You've got the perfect excuse to raise the subject of Islam, and Jihad, in conversation, as American travellers who were on the scene, and who escaped the carnage, start telling their stories in newspapers and on TV and radio talkshows

B. You can refer people to chapter and verse for all the murder and mayhem and show them exactly where it was coming from: especially the killing of Jews and Hindus, because of Islam's virulent antisemitism.

C. You can tell people the real history of how the Muslims invaded India from the 8th century onward, and killed and enslaved people by the tens of millions, and stole or smashed everything they possibly could, even cutting down whole forests in order to get at - and murder - the desperate refugees who had taken shelter there; and that there really are Muslims today, especially in Pakistan, who want to revive the glory days when Islam dominated India and every Muslim had Hindu slaves who were treated like dirt.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 8:39 PM

Dear Imam,

I invite you to embrace Judaism, I invite you to embrace Christianity, help yourself, the choice is yours.

But first and foremost I invite you to embrace civilisation, what about some lessons about human rights, freedom of speech, women's rights etc.?

All over the civilised world there are a lot of qualified teachers willing to give you lessons about the above mentioned subjects without charge. That's how we are, pretty generous.

Unlike you we don't spend charity money for terrorism. Excuse me, I shouldn't have forgotten, terrorists are pretty often short of bombs. You have to help out, that's what your charity is about!

I always used to think that charity was for the people in need, the poor children.

Accept that offer by the civilised world, try to get civilised and you will open the gateway to a wonderful dialogue.

Posted by: epistemology [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 9:02 PM

You might think so dumbledore, but here in the California, S.F. Bay Area the Mumbai news was a small front page article for two days, way back in the back pages for a few days more. Gay marriage is a MUCH bigger deal than a few “gunmen” shooting people in a city most people have never heard of.

Unfortunately, unless it happens HERE, it didn’t really happen for most Americans – there aren’t many of us awake – yet.

I keep shaking shoulders and kicking boots though – occasionally I see an eyelid flutter.

How is progress Down Under?

Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 9:23 PM

"..that characteristic of all tyrants and fanatics who wish to impose their will on others...the dreaded finger wagging."
Posted by: johndoe

Ah, yes, the wagging finger. He and his fellow haranguers would be rendered mute if they couldn't wag that finger.

Well, my response also uses a finger, and it is simple, eloquent and conveys everything I have to say about this. (Execute, with gusto, middle finger salute).

Posted by: Eastview [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 9:28 PM

I have never executed a middle finger salute...I have however, on occasion, given them freely to deserving individuals...

Posted by: duh_swami [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 10:02 PM

Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.
.......................

It's..it's all about the children! sarc/

Just ridiculous. And since the West will have no presence in Muslim countries, either militarily or via aid groups in this cleric's vision, we will just have to give Muslim nations ever more vast amounts of Jizya, in the vain hope that it will eventually reach every Muslim child (rather than the more likely scenario, where it will line corrupt rulers' pockets, or fund Da'wa and Jihad).

Note, also, the lightly-veiled idea that--somehow!--it is the fault of the West that Muslim children might want for anything.

The fact is, even now, that it is mostly Western governments and charities that are trying to aid Muslim children, rather than any oil-wealthy lands in Dar-al-Islam.

Could you imagine anyone in the world making such demands of Muslim countries?

Jdamn wrote:

[Your] predecessors have ended up in the garbage bin of history...

Uh, our predecessors devised the single greatest gift to all of humankind: Jeffersonian democracy. We're the greatest nation in the world.
.....................

Ha--Jdamn, you beat me to it. This sort of pontification from a third-world nation is ridiculous. It brings to mind Kruschev's "We will bury you" speech--except that it is even more ludicrous.


Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 10:15 PM

Dave

Mumbai got pretty good coverage here in Australia, from the moment the story broke, on both our national news (ABC - Australian Broadcasting Commission) and in state newspapers e.g. the Melbourne Age. There were about three different stories, all of them quite interesting, in a freebie newspaper aimed at the young, hip city workers, which gets distributed on the buses and trains: my husband picked up a copy.

I don't watch the TV news very often, but the ABC website lists their audio/ video news clips as well as running verbal accounts and they had a ton of stuff: partly because an Aussie guy spent most of the siege of one of the hotels trapped in his room texting messages to the outside world. We're a small enough country that even one Aussie bailed up by jihadists in a hotel is News.

Part of it may also be because India is a fellow Commonwealth country and we have a substantial Indian community, some of whom have been here since the 19th century.

Most of my day-to-day social contacts are with other mums at the school my kids go to, or people at church: I do what I can as opportunity arises.

My parish priest is starting to realize the danger - the story of the Muslim abduction and 'conversion' of those two little Catholic girls, Anila and Saba in Pakistan, which I conveyed to him by giving the links to this site and the original sources, woke him up, I think.

I put a review of Andrew Bostom's 'The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism' in my church's parish paper; the congregation is between 100 and 200 people, and each person represents a social network, so if some of those people get a clue, it may make a difference. (So far, since last year, I've been able to put in the parish mag the following: a boiled-down simplified version of Islam 101; a review of Mark Durie's book that points out the total contradictions between Christianity and Islam; and a big piece on Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, the guy who warned the Brits about 'no go' zones and the dangers of sharia creep, after he visited Australia to give some lectures).

My Christmas-card list runs to about sixty people. The family Christmas letter which will be inserted in each card, will contain - in the paragraph that describes what I've been up to this year - an ad for Mr Spencer's books and this forum. Certain people on the list will also be directed to Bostom's book on Islamic antisemitism.

We all have to keep on chip, chip, chipping away.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 10:31 PM

Embrace Islam and you will be safe.

The obverse of this pompous, self-congratulatory, obtrusive call is don't embrace Islam and you're at risk.

Been like that for nearly 1,400 yrs now...

Posted by: 33:21 [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 10:47 PM

What really scares me is that Al-Nas TV is piped all over Europe.

http://www.lyngsat-address.com/ab/Al-Nas-TV.html

To call this guy a Neanderthal is an insult to pre-humans.

Posted by: skevin [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 11:01 PM

We read this about what obama says

I Never Practiced Is lam - NOT EXACTLY, you practiced it daily at
> school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for
> 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run for
> office. 4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam's.
> http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559
>
> My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY, you were
> registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for
> making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from
> the New York Times a year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of
> the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In
> a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama
> voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one
> of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example
> of what P amela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is
> being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.'

People, in 2006 Obama went to campaign with his cousin Odenga in Kenya to turn kenya into a "safe-haven" for terriorist to turn Kenya into a SHARIA LAW state. Had they won the elections it would have meant it would be impossible to try prosecute "any" terriorist anytime/anywhere for their illegal crimes. The terriorst would have to be shipped off to Kenya where they would have been "safe havened". Since they lost the elections there was a pre-planned ensuing blood bath. How many don't know that in USA 2 days before election the press too issued a statement of a pre-planned blood bath had obama not been elected??

Couple days ago, the news announced that Pakistan is now a SHARIA LAW state.

Found out days ago that SHARIA LAW is attempting to force the US banking system to operate under SHARIA RELIGION LAWS which means "anyone" would be punishable by death whom claims that islam/muslim/sharia law murders, and criminal activites. This is blatantly unconstitutional, but it's what at present news said they are trying to do.

The UN days ago has just been stated that they want to accept the SHARIA LAWS where "anyone" is punishable by death for claiming that the murders and criminal activities of islam/muslim/sharia law are bad.

We all know that "fairness" thing is simply a blatant attempt to stifle free speech. It's simply a blatant attempt at giving carte blanche to kill people whom don't subscribe to the murderous and criminal activities these groups commit.

In 2000 ?rememba? seattle WASH it was CLINTON and the DEMS whom attempted to claim that we should accept "globalist' government. This would strip the USA of all of its Sovereignty and it's rights and relagate every US citizen to being servants in their own Nation to someone else. Instead of being governed by WE THE PEOPLE. Well, a few protestors secured our Nations freedom by excersizing their constitutional rights and told the "globalist" to forget it.

What the globalism would do would be to make it possible for 'any" terriorist anytime/anywhere to apprehend "any" US civilian and US military and thru trumped up charges slam the US citizen into the UN international court and thrown in jail to rot without due process, without protection from double jeopardy and without fair trial and no one but no one would be able to do anything about it. The terriorist would not be able to be tried or prosecuted for these criminal actions.

As we see, how many people don't know that the UN also thinks our constitution is FLAWED-- because:

1. It actually "works" and provides us with the ability to protect ourselves and govern oursleves and to fairly, justly and legally protect others.

2. Because our constitution grants us freedom to govern ourselves and our finances instead of being relegated to the status of "servants" to a group of people whom don't care for our people, our flag our freedom or our seal.

The REPUBLICANS seeing the danger that globalism holds for our Nation; the REPUBLICANS have said it more than once this nations SOVEREIGNTY belongs to WE THE PEOPLE and it's not open for debate. However, how many Americans are still sitting around wondering what happened in Seattle yet?

However, how many people "still" don't know that globalism still looms as a threat to our Nation as a result of our refusal to tie our exit to political progress.

Now we just found out the bailout whom the DEMOCRATS so heartedly support will allow company's to engage in irresponsible business activities knowing that when the company funds dry up WE THE PEOPLE would be forced to pick up the tab. this will derail the economy and bankrupt this Nation and we would wind up like cuba.

How many Americans don't know that the ACLU thinks Americans are so 'stupid" that Norman Thomas one of the founders of the ACLU said this Quote American's will never "knowingly accept Socialism, however, under "liberalism" American's would accept every fragment of Socialism; and one day wake up in a Socialist nation and "wonder' how this all happened. Unquote.

What we need to wonder is how the DEMS AND ACLU can think they can continue to count on Americans being as "stupid" as the DEMS AND ACLU think Americans are?

Go see for yourselves how you can help the American Center for Law and Justice work to protect WE THE PEOPLE freedom. They need signature support to handle this topic and there's a time frame on it. Go see for yourselves the truth of what this so-called "fairness" thing is all about it's simply to rob people of free speech.

Quite frankly, the Dems and ACLU disdain and condescension towards all things decent democracy and freedom is quite appalling.

Whom was it that once said-Tolerance becomes wrong and EVIL when given and applied to criminals.

What great orator, president, or author said--All that is needed for tyranny to reign is for good men to do nothing.

Go see for yourselves how at the American Center for Law and Justice they work to protect USA. Also, UN watch and the Oliver North Freedom Alliance and see for yourselves how hard they work to keep WE THE PEOPLE free. But guess what?? if they don't get funding (not talking money here ie meaning signature support) there won't be anyone to protect WE THE PEOPLE anymore.

So, lastly, we put it to you WE THE PEOPLE, is our Society gotten so warped that we need to be reminded of how this applies to our Society??


Posted by: SassyFrassy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 4, 2008 11:22 PM

We don't know what exactly the long legged McDaddy is standing for , but one thing is sure , According to his resume , he is the most educated president about Islam.In a few months we are going to know more about his real feelings about the religion of Mahomet.

Posted by: Tartine [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:01 AM

Who is "Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal" and how relevant or revered is he?

Is he also known as Sheikh Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal Al-Zuhayri?

The Salafist who published a booklet defending FGM in 1996?


Posted by: XRDC [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:04 AM

Davegreybeard wrote:

You might think so dumbledore, but here in the California, S.F. Bay Area the Mumbai news was a small front page article for two days, way back in the back pages for a few days more. Gay marriage is a MUCH bigger deal than a few “gunmen” shooting people in a city most people have never heard of.
...................

Dave, looks like you and I are from the same neck of the woods.

I can vouch for what Dave says. There was more coverage about idiots lined up overnight at the malls to take advantage of the after-Thanksgiving "Black Friday" sales than there was on the Jihad attacks on Mumbai.

I mostly had to turn to cable news for coverage--there was almost nothing locally. I have talked to a number of quite intelligent people who were only vaguely aware of this event, and even those few didn't see that it had any real meaning for their own lives. It was regarded in much the same manner as, say, news of a drought in the Gobi desert would be regarded--a bit sad, but not really about them.

Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:15 AM

I just read STEALTH JIHAD! Words fail me - it is superb! outstanding! It carried me on and on like a favorite book! I couldn't put it down! It should be required reading in every high school, college, Congress and Senate Office! I hope Obama reads it.

Posted by: angryamerican [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:46 AM

I was a "victim" of aggressive Dave - he saw my Fight Jihad sticker on the back of my car (with a few others) and pulled me over (on his Harley) for handouts and discussion! We finally realized we were both involved with JW. Dave is a fighter and a Vietnam vet! And he is carrying on the good fight one dhimmi at a time.

I just read that Obama wants to make a speech from some Muslim city in the first 100 days. Whether he came up with this or some of his anti-Israel staff, it is ill-advised and will accomplish nothing. The British pols are contributing quite enough dhimmi pronouncements; we do not need to add to their mindless gibberish.

If Obama really wanted to make a splash for peace he would go to Jerusalem and give a speech to tell the world that America will move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. That would have the equivalent electriification effect as Kennedy's "…ask what you can do for your country" inaugural speech.

Posted by: Jimmy Bones [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 3:23 AM

"If Obama really wanted to make a splash for peace he would go to Jerusalem and give a speech to tell the world that America will move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem."
Posted by: Jimmy Bones

Yes!!

Posted by: Eastview [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 4:51 AM

Truely a religion of retards created by a phedophile, rapist, bandit for retards. This retarded pig is shouting on top of his voice dont know if Obama should run scared.

Posted by: greaticon [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 5:19 AM

Truely a religion of retards created by a phedophile, rapist, bandit for retards. This retarded pig is shouting on top of his voice dont know if Obama should run scared.

Posted by: greaticon [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 5:22 AM

Dumbledore,

Thank you so much for the latest from your part of the world.

Sometimes it seems that I am speaking to the wind, yet word of your efforts does give much heart and comfort.

You set quite an example to follow, brave girl – I shall press the fight the more for it.

Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 5:41 AM

Dave

you flatter me. I think you have done - and are doing - much, much more than I.

And Jimmy - great story about meeting up with 'Dave'!

This comments floor is a great place to meet and swap ideas and news and knowledge and learn and encourage each other, and we will all keep on meeting here, since those of us who are 'regulars' can, each in our small way, assist Mr Spencer and Mr Fitzgerald in the educating of the new visitors; but in each of our home countries, we *have* to start connecting up, face to face: Aussie resisters, American resisters, UK resisters, European resisters, Indians and Israelis and Filipinos....

The more such connections are made - as between you, Dave, and Jimmy - the better placed we will be, each in our home countries, to keep on keeping on if, heaven forbid, this website were attacked and shut down.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 6:16 AM

dumbledoresarmy said:
I don't see much difference between this 'cleric' and the head of an outlaw bikie gang.

Well at least some 'outlaw bikie gangs' are against child abuse. The same can't be said for members of a 'religion' who marry little girls off at 6 so they can be raped -- I mean, have their marriage consummated -- by the time they reach puberty, or who mutilate their genitals.

Posted by: Lori B. [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 8:47 AM

Know, Obama, that America, with all its size and might, will know no peace, as long as a single Muslim child lacks food, drink, medicine, or housing.

Think of how much "food, drink, medicine, or housing" they could buy for these children with the $60 million bounty on Father Boutros' head. I wonder what the price is on Obama's head, and how much is earmarked for these children, to whom, by the way, Islam actually forbids giving charity.

Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 9:35 AM

This is no big deal. They "invited" Bush, too. Islam is a club anyone can join, except for those of whom Allah has deliberately led astray, which is an odd thing for a god to do...

But surely Allah knows best.

PS: Swami, I'll take TypePad for twenty five...

Posted by: Stormwarning [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:13 PM

I just read STEALTH JIHAD! Words fail me - it is superb! outstanding! It carried me on and on like a favorite book! I couldn't put it down! It should be required reading in every high school, college, Congress and Senate Office! I hope Obama reads it.

Posted by: angryamerican

You sold me, angryamerican! I have got to make time to read Robert's new book. What with Christmas coming, I am up to my eyeballs in decorating/baking/cards/shopping/etc, so I do not have the time to devote to such reading pleasures (once I get started on a good book, I cannot put it down until it is finished, because I get immersed in it). I could give up my leisurely JW posting time, but that is asking too much, LOL.

Anyway, I will make a NYR here and now to read it come January, I promise!

Posted by: champ [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 12:36 PM

Jdamn wrote:

Mr. monkey man with the hairline all the way down to his nose (can that even happen?)?
........................

Jdamn, that isn't hair--it's actually something worse. It's his "zebiba" (raisin), an actual dent in his forehead caused by repeatedly banging his head on the ground during five-times-a-day prostration to Allah.

Here's a link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prayer_bump

Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 2:09 PM

dumbledore,

click on my “TypeKey Profile Page” icon and see what it does. I have been fiddling with our new “TypePad” a bit.

Posted by: Davegreybeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 2:34 PM

I think it's his hairline. Zebibas don't extend all the way back to under one's male-veil. And they're reddish and raised. He must be one of those guys who goes bald on top except for a little patch up front, which in his case goes all the way down to his nose.

Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 3:09 PM

Muslims will always be discontent,no matter how much you give them.The more you give them,the more they ask for,which leads to the ultimate question-"what's the best that i can give to MUSLIMS?"...to satisfy them.And the answer is-"DEATH".

Posted by: sandeep [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 3:11 PM

The one, Obama, has a statement out that he will give a speach about islam within 100 days, ( of him taking "official" office) from inside a islamic country.

Egypt perhaps?

Posted by: Islofob IS-1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 3:13 PM

If does this, Biden will truly earn the nickname bestowed upon him by Ann Coulter: Assassination Insurance.

Posted by: jdamn [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 3:36 PM

Correction re STEALTH JIHAD!! I hope Obama reads it (LOL) before he converts!!

Posted by: angryamerican [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 4:23 PM

Hey y'all who have trouble with TypePad, I have had none so I suggest that you do not click on (sign out), do not type your URL in space, and leave "NO" blue. Ignore the darn thing and mayhaps it'll leave you alone!

Posted by: angryamerican [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 4:27 PM

Check this out:

http://www.obamacrimes.com/attachments/065_Obama%20Crimes%20Ad%20-%20Wash%20Times%2020081117.pdf

Posted by: CGW [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 6:00 PM

Why should Obama follow this guy? He's already got a preacher who hates America.

Posted by: Goob [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 7:26 PM

This Egyptian cleric's detailed "invitation" looks like it comes straight out of the hadith. Here is part of the translation of his quote:

"...the recently-elected Obama, who is the leader of the Byzantines – he is like the Byzantine leaders in the days of Prophet Muhammad. My message to him is three-fold. First, I invite him to convert to Islam. This is the call of the Prophet and of Allah. Oh Obama – convert to Islam, and you will be saved. I hope that Allah will reward you twice: Once for converting to Islam, and another reward for all those who will convert in your footsteps. If you want glory – you will find it in Islam. If you want honor – you will find it in Islam. In religions other than Islam there is utter humiliation, even if you are the president of the entire world."

Here is another relevant hadith from Bukhari which apparently inspired the cleric:

Sahih Bukhari, Book 1, Number 6 (also see Book 52, Number 191) "[...]Heraclius then asked for the letter addressed by Allah's Apostle which was delivered by Dihya to the Governor of Busra, who forwarded it to Heraclius to read. The contents of the letter were as follows: "In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammad the slave of Allah and His Apostle to Heraclius the ruler of Byzantine. Peace be upon him, who follows the right path. Furthermore I invite you to Islam, and if you become a Muslim you will be safe, and Allah will double your reward, and if you reject this invitation of Islam you will be committing a sin by misguiding your Arisiyin (peasants).[...]""

Another version of the above, in Sahih Muslim, has
"[...] Embrace Islam and you will be safe [...]" --From Muhammad’s Letter to Caesar (Hiraql), Book 19, Number 4380.

Sahih Bukhari Book #53, Hadith #392)
Narrated Abu Huraira: While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari (Book #59, Hadith #362)
Narrated Ibn Umar: Bani An-Nadir and Bani Quraiza fought (against the Prophet violating their peace treaty), so the Prophet exiled Bani An-Nadir and allowed Bani Quraiza to remain at their places (in Medina) taking nothing from them till they fought against the Prophet again). He then killed their men and distributed their women, children and property among the Muslims, but some of them came to the Prophet and he granted them safety, and they embraced Islam. He exiled all the Jews from Medina. They were the Jews of Bani Qainuqa', the tribe of 'Abdullah bin Salam and the Jews of Bani Haritha and all the other Jews of Medina.

Muhammad, quoted in Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Number 65
"[...] A Muslim is he from whose hand and tongue the Muslims are safe [...]"

Posted by: Kinana of Khaybar [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 5, 2008 9:50 PM

HEY DUMBLESDORESARMY and DAVEYGREYBEARD... you two are entertaining and educational to read! Wish I could sit with you two and discuss discuss discuss... no doubt would be a great time!


So that is one of the Faces of Extortionists!!!!! Jeez they make gangbangers and organized crime look like schoolyard bullies!! Join the club, pay up or die! Those are your choices. Ya know, I hear grumblings constantly about how OBH won't see the end of his first year in office... I don't think for on minute, that if that is true, it will be any AMERICAN will be the one to make that prophecy come true. IT will be some islamic fanatic that will do it because OBH didnt "join the club or pay up"!!!

Posted by: Saoirse [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2008 10:22 AM

Obama is a Muslim apostate of some kind, so how can he "convert"?

The Cairo kook means "revert", in either case.

The best thing Islam could do to wake the West is to target Obama.

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2008 8:12 PM

Goob wrote:

Why should Obama follow this guy? He's already got a preacher who hates America.
......................

Oh, Goob, that's great!

Posted by: gravenimage [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 6, 2008 11:10 PM

Well for those of you who don't like to download "necessary" programs, here is a youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj29Df-fy5M

And the only thing I have of noteworthy interest is this: Why has he shaved his moustache? Because if he didn't then his followers wouldn't know his arsehole from his piehole when he was bent over with his butt in the air praying and groveling...

Since this caricature of a walking penis is such a clown, I will provide a suitable quote for his depraved insanity: In the words of the great Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon!"

Posted by: lorfalcon [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 7, 2008 2:20 PM
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