Goose-stepping is more difficult when wearing a dress. Those guys are really talented!

Posted by: Miluimnik at December 29, 2008 8:08 AM

I see you missed the point yet again. They're hard-line clerics. That's the difference. Regular ol' run of the mill imans are peaceful.

Posted by: Seymour Paine at December 29, 2008 8:21 AM

What a bunch of morons.

Must be hard to fight when dressed like that; still, I suppose the turbans might protect the head, somewhat, and the robes are perfect for hiding bombs.

"Combatant Clergy Society". Sort of says it all, doesn't it? And here I was raised to believe the clergy are good, gentle folk, spreading the message of peace and love....

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at December 29, 2008 8:23 AM

Look at the Islamo-Nazis!

Man, these people are such Barbarians.

Posted by: darcy at December 29, 2008 8:28 AM

I noticed the goose stepping also. I wonder where they learned that dance step?

From Article: Iran will send its first ship carrying aid to the Gaza Strip on Monday, Foreign Ministry spokesman Hassan Qashqavi said.

Iran is trying to create and 'incident', so they can directly involve themselves. The order for All Mohammadans to fight against Israel came from Iran, so it would not surprise me if they present Israel with 'certain' challenges...

Posted by: duh_swami at December 29, 2008 8:44 AM

Is that Stars and Stripes they are tredding over? No doubt made in Iran..

Posted by: MusHuntCowboy at December 29, 2008 8:47 AM

Looks like these Muslim clergy are trying out for the Broadway musical "A Chorus Line".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106 at December 29, 2008 8:52 AM

"From Monday the Combatant Clergy Society has activated its website for a week to register volunteers to fight against the Zionist regime (Israel) in either the military, financial or propaganda fields," the semi-official Fars news agency said.

...............

I'm sure they opened up the financial and propaghanda fields when nobody was standing on the military line. No doubt too the financial and propaghanda fields are meant to raise money and support for Arabs to display Iranian "courage".

Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at December 29, 2008 9:04 AM

Seymour Paine:

Why are the "regular ol' run of the mill imams", who are supposed to be peaceful, so silent when hard-line imams take the lead in Islam?

Why are Islam's most important and loud voices not peaceful?

Why do Muslims allow those hardliners and sundry terrorists and assassins to effectively represent them without rising their voice making it clear that they ahve nothing to do with them?

Suppose that I live in a big family and one of my sisters goes out at night killing people and flaunts her murderous skills. If I don't speak out clearly and loudly against her, all my neighbours will assume that I am a supporter of her actions.

Therefore Islam is guilty and Muslims at large are guilty of the constant violence some of them use against other communities of the world who don't believe their weird and creepy religion.

Posted by: rocky at December 29, 2008 9:09 AM

Looks like these Muslim clergy are trying out for the Broadway musical "A Chorus Line". - bigcatgirl

"And hate, 2, 3, 4, rage, 6, 7, 8... Jazz hands! That means you too, Ruhollah!"

Posted by: MarisolJW at December 29, 2008 9:16 AM

"We're off to see the wizard;
the wonderful Wizard of Oz;
...follow the yellow brick road ..."

Posted by: witness at December 29, 2008 9:18 AM

Last night we watched "The Sound of Music" as it happened to be on TV and I hadn't seen it in a looooooong time.

Near the end of the film when the Anschluss has occurred, forcibly combining Germany and Austria, and the Von Trapp's are on the run, I noticed in several scenes citizens' disapproving, but reluctant to speak out against the Nazis. That's called "fear?" Well, the same thing is happening right now with the Mohammedans. People DO fear Mohammedans, and rightfully so. Remember Theo Van Gogh? He severely underestimated the Mohammedans' ability to murder him right out on a public street.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss

Anyone have any more comparisons with the Nazis of the 1930's and the Islamo-Nazis of the early 21st century?

Posted by: darcy at December 29, 2008 9:32 AM

People, here's their Barbarian website:

http://www.rohaniatmobarez.com/Portal/Home/

Why does it say "Monday 1387" on the left margin?

Posted by: darcy at December 29, 2008 9:41 AM

group of Iranian hard-line clerics is signing up volunteers to fight in the Gaza Strip in response to Israel's air strikes

Clerics are signing up others to do the killing, as usual muslilm clerics send others to do their bidding.. dont they want all those virgins after being killed.. or is that what they sell and promise stupid muslim men.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 29, 2008 9:58 AM

Go Israel!

After all the qasam rockets fired your way, after your children you vowed to protect, after all the muslims whom you hear chant 'Death to Israel', after all the photo-ops 'pictures' sent your way, after all the sucide-bombers sent your way...

Posted by: Infidel#1 at December 29, 2008 10:15 AM

Looks like these Muslim clergy are trying out for the Broadway musical "A Chorus Line".

Posted by: bigcatgirl13106

I was thinking of a Persian version of "Springtime for Hitler".

Posted by: ebonystone at December 29, 2008 10:17 AM

Monty Python had the "Ministry of Funny Walks" years ago.

Posted by: Charles Bogle at December 29, 2008 10:19 AM

"Iran has dispatched its first plane load of aid, including medicine, to Gaza on Sunday." Qashqavi told reporters on Monday.

No doubt they included a few hundred gallons of camel urine, the Moslem cure-all.

Posted by: ebonystone at December 29, 2008 10:27 AM

I think they are rehearsing their roles in the documentary "March of the Islamo-nazi Lemmings". The bit where they all fall off the cliff in a explosive frenzy isn't suitable viewing for children though.

Posted by: ausinfidel at December 29, 2008 10:30 AM

"...Iranian hard-line clerics..."

Not to be confused with all the wishy-washy Iranian clerics like Rowan Williams.

This is horrible journalism, implying there are Iranian clerics who wouldn't meet the western definition of "hard-line". It's lying.

Posted by: Beagle at December 29, 2008 10:32 AM

Darcy wrote:

Why does it say "Monday 1387" on the left margin?
..................

Because it is 1387--rather than 2008--in Islamo-land. 621 is the year of Mohammeds's birth--well, the estimated year, anyway. Dark ages bedouin Arabia wasn't exactly known for its stellar record keeping.

It has been posited by some historians that it is to be expected that the Islam world is at a less advanced state than Christianity, because it is a "younger" religion.

It is true--Europe in 1387 was in many ways a dirty and violent place. But the Renaissance had already begun, and there was a slow rediscovery of Aristotlian logic--which would give birth to the scientific method. Dante had already written The Divine Comedy and Boccaccio The Decameron. Art was flourishing in Italy, and the principles of the Renaissance were starting to spread to Northern Europe.

Of course, there is nothing like this going on in Islam--instead, there is a rush back to the 7th-century. And, of course, this "theory" does not address any comparison of Islam to Judaism or any other world religion.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 29, 2008 10:35 AM

The ummah uniting!

All those separate sects and groups unite when they perceive a threat.

Meanwhile, the West is divided against itself.

Posted by: Always On Watch at December 29, 2008 10:39 AM

Notice the bottom of the shoes on the US flag, consistent with the Iraqi/Egyptian journalist's intent with President Bush.

I hope that whatever intelligence the IDF used to ascertain all these targets remains in place to take video of all the post-strike staging of dead/not dead children, moving of bodies to affected areas, etc. Nothing would be better in the war against the jihad of public opinion than that.

I wonder (cynical, I know) how many children dying for other reasons are being kept on ice now in case they're needed as stage props?

Posted by: winoceros at December 29, 2008 10:40 AM

darcy: I believe "1387" represents the years since Mohammed's flight from Mecca, the Hegira, which is the first year of the Muslim calendar. As for general comparisons between Nazis and Islamo-Nazis, I would direct anyone's attention to the fact that both single out groups of people for repressed status or death. The Nazis did it with ethnic groups and the Islamo-Nazis do it with kuffaars. Marxists do it with socio-economic groups. And that's why all three are embodiments of evil. Any ideology that singles out groups of human beings for second-class status or death is by that very fact evil. This is the chief reason I look upon Islam as wicked, though there are several other reasons, such as the disturbing personality of Islam's founder.

Oh, yeah, just had to comment on how ridiculous those marching mullahs look. I couldn't stop laughing when I first saw the photo. Looking at them also encouraged me because no way we're ever going to lose any kind of war to those turkeys.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 10:40 AM

"Time to go make the donuts"

Posted by: DCWatson at December 29, 2008 10:50 AM

The Iranian clerics are not goose-stepping. They're Doing The Lambeth Walk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHtEKSg-ycQ&feature=related

Posted by: Hugh at December 29, 2008 11:03 AM

Back in the days of the Shah I lived in Iran for awhile. These clerics were great figures of fun to more knowledgeable people - small-minded, hypocritical, greedy, vain and above all ignorant. Typical cartoons showed a drooling-idiot mullah waving his index finger importantly while an even more idiotic crowd of listeners hung on every word. When Khomeini came it was 'Revenge of the Nerds' big time. Notice how fat they are now! Its party time - drugs, boys, whores, kebabs.... the corruption and hypocrisy of the mullahs is staggering.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 29, 2008 11:24 AM

Life is good for Iran's hefty bag size clergy

Those Ayatollahs and Mullahs sure look well fed. No way are they ready for combat.

Posted by: dennisw at December 29, 2008 11:32 AM

In my mind, this has all the makings of a World War. What if it's just the first trickles of a much larger river? The West won't be able to stand back and let it happen...

Posted by: Infidelicious at December 29, 2008 11:38 AM

Obviously crack troops, honed to a razor edge. All they need are some snappy uniforms and they are good to go...and I do mean go.

Posted by: pismopal at December 29, 2008 11:42 AM

((moral equivalence time!!))

Come on, guys! I mean, it's just like the Knights of Columbus! They're military-minded humanitarians, right?

Posted by: winoceros at December 29, 2008 12:01 PM

Want a really putrid thought? Imagine those same guys marching naked.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 12:05 PM

Ew, Wellington! :-)

Posted by: champ at December 29, 2008 12:09 PM

Wellington wrote:

darcy: I believe "1387" represents the years since Mohammed's flight from Mecca, the Hegira, which is the first year of the Muslim calendar.
...................

Wellington, right you are. 621 AD marked the Hegira, not the year of Mohammed's birth. Really, I shouldn't post before I've had my coffee.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 29, 2008 12:16 PM

Keep on Truckin'

Posted by: PraiaFlamego at December 29, 2008 12:23 PM

I think it's important to get those placards out espescially by Hindus. Why Hindus? Because, this is not about whites out to get minorities (media believes that, unfortunaly). The muslim ideology is a racist so-called religion out against the non-believers. It's out to destroy anything and everything that isn't muslim.

So, the Hindus have to be out there together with Jews and Christans in solidarity against the muslims.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Infidel#1 at December 29, 2008 12:26 PM

These guys may look like jokers but I would never underestimate their willingness to kill in the name of God. Saddam Hussein underestimated them when he lauched a massive blitz against them in 1980. He was met by some of these guys in holy bloodlust. His well trained and disciplined soldiers, bristling with the latest French and Russian weaponry molled them down wave after wave after wave. they just kept coming with little keys attached to their necks which they of course use to open the gates of paradise where they'll meet their saint Ali and 72 virgins.

Fortunately Iran has no borders with Israel and I hear most of them are scared of flying..

BTW these guys are not completely mad. When US denied them spare parts for their F5 Phantoms and Abrams tanks, they secretly approached Israel and bought tons of spare parts.

Posted by: Gorgi at December 29, 2008 12:42 PM

"When US denied them spare parts for their F5 Phantoms and Abrams tanks, they secretly approached Israel and bought tons of spare parts."

If it was in "secret", how did you find out about it?

Posted by: DenverRodeo at December 29, 2008 1:12 PM

About the events related to hegira/Mohammad, etc. - Mohammad was born ~570 CE, died ~632 CE, so the Muslim calendar starts 11 years before his death.

Also, about this ridiculous story - these guys obviously can't tell left from right feet, and certainly can't keep step. One is taken by the smug determination on their faces as they march across Old Glory. I wonder, will this and "Death to America" chants stop on January 20th?

Posted by: Eastview at December 29, 2008 1:17 PM

There are several 'reputable' hadith that Muhammad himself was fat. Just picture a big fat hairy fiftyish camel urine drinking psychopath having sex with a nine year old girl and the first thought that comes to mind is 'perfect man'.

Posted by: poetcomic1 at December 29, 2008 1:38 PM

"A group of Iranian hard-line clerics is signing up volunteers to fight in the Gaza Strip in response to Israel's air strikes that have killed at least 300 Palestinians, a news agency reported on Monday."

It would be interesting to know How many of the children of the hardliners signed up?

It seems to me that the the organizers of Jidhad are always looking for someone elses kid to sign up. I would think that they would be happy to see their own children enjoying the fruits of martyrdom in Allah's paradise, rather than wasting their time in midical schools or universities pursuing worthless careers in this world.

I believe that Ahmenajad had 11 children, and I'll bet none of them was ever handed a registration form to sign up for Jihad, but then, why should they?, there's plenty of fodder out there, courtesy of Muslim parents too stupid to see how they're being duped.

Posted by: rational at December 29, 2008 1:38 PM

Gorgi: I don't underestimate these mullahs' willingness to kill but I do doubt very much their ablility to kill. Big difference. As for your assertion that Saddam Hussein's military was well trained and disciplined, I must respectfully disagree. It wasn't very good at all, as proved by the Americans, who did in a few weeks what Iran couldn't do in eight years. Muslims have a terrrible track record of efficiency and precision in modern warfare (probably attributable to Islam, which seems to produce a lack of excellence in any category of human activity). And respecting efficiency, I would add that the deadliest animal on earth is the American soldier (with due regard here noted for a few other nations' ability to produce first rate military personnel------Israel, Australia and the UK come foremost to mind, though I have to wonder if modern Western liberalism hasn't begun debasing the sterling qualities of the British soldier). Fortunately, this deadliest animal fights for the right side of history rather than its wrong side, as Muslims do time and time again.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 1:55 PM

Denver

It was a secret at the time. It came out later. Most secrets do.

Posted by: Gorgi at December 29, 2008 1:55 PM

Infidel#1:
"I think it's important to get those placards out espescially by Hindus. Why Hindus? Because, this is not about whites out to get minorities (media believes that, unfortunaly)."

Great idea. Anything to help explode this ridiculous Clash of Civilisations, Islam vs. the West myth.

Posted by: truthbetold at December 29, 2008 1:57 PM

poetcomic1
According to Ibn Warraq, that is why he wouldn't allow any representations of himself. Down to nothing but vanity.

Posted by: Silvester at December 29, 2008 2:13 PM

The good 'ol peace loving, shoe throwing muslims are at it again. Only this time, Israel hit back. Now, of course, we hear all the wailing and gnashing of teeth about how innocent civilians are being killed and how the level of bombing by Israel is uncalled for. Hey, Muhammed, when are you going to learn? If you keep stoking the fire, you're gonna get burned. Are you tired of losing your loved ones to military retaliation? Then stop glorifying martyr style suicide bombings and the notion that you will be successful in wiping Israel off the map and learn to live together. Wow, talk about boneheads!

Posted by: Vince LaRocco at December 29, 2008 2:14 PM

He probably looked like an Arabic version of Henry Vlll.

Posted by: Silvester at December 29, 2008 2:14 PM

Hitler's Mullah brigade goose-stepping to war. What a despiccable sight.

Posted by: epistemology at December 29, 2008 2:25 PM

Hitler's Mullah brigade goose-stepping to war. What a despiccable sight.

Posted by: epistemology at December 29, 2008 2:29 PM

Wellington

Its all relative isnt it? The Iraqi army was no match for American forces but it was a far superior force to the baseejs of Iran who were basically a people's army - untrained and armed with the most rudimentary weapons. Yet the almost defated the Iraqis through sheer fervent, god-inspired madness.

As for who are the `deadliest killers' in the world I will leave that to you and others interested in these things.

Posted by: Gorgi at December 29, 2008 2:49 PM

Can we just send the salvation army to kick their butts? Also if you put on the dark side of the moon it sycns up!.

Posted by: Mike at December 29, 2008 2:50 PM

Actually Hugh, they are going in their Do-Mi-Do Duds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcwAymlCB1k&NR=1

Posted by: Isabellathecrusader at December 29, 2008 2:53 PM

I say let them go to Gaza... the more the better, they can help catch the bombs.

Posted by: Jerry Joe at December 29, 2008 2:58 PM

Gorgi: I am very interested in who is most efficient in terminating a designated enemy, just as I am very keen on who is in possession of the deadliest weapons. All sensible people should be. Let us always hope that the forces of freedom and true democracy have the finest soldiers and the most lethal weapons. To be indifferent here would be the height of foolhardiness. Yes, I am very "interested in these things."

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 3:03 PM

Gorgi:

It is F-4 not F-5 and why not get rid of old junk. It beats not making any money off of it. The newer planes they have used the F-4 for targets.

Posted by: Mike at December 29, 2008 3:11 PM

Are they being Paid? Is it a kind of Job? Who is funding?.... insted of taking blame for killing innocent civilians ; go after the sources of fund providers. Problem will be solved.

Posted by: Venki at December 29, 2008 3:57 PM

Imagine the chaos that would erupt if someone threw a handful of sausage links into that crowd.

Posted by: Captain America at December 29, 2008 4:04 PM

All of you guys are a bunch of hypocrites, mind controlled, oppressors. Do you not see Isrealis killing innocent civilians in Gaza? Or are those children just terrorist and their life doesnt matter?
I pity all of you.
I pray that God opens up your heart from this narrow minded idealogy.

Posted by: Syed at December 29, 2008 4:10 PM

At this juncture it is worth revisiting Winston Churchill's remarks from 'The Malakand Field Force', re. the contrast between Christianity, and Islam. For present purposes, one must remember that Christianity's founding figure is Jewish; that Christianity rests upon a Jewish foundation.


"
It is, thank heaven, difficult if not impossible for the modern European to fully appreciate the force which fanaticism exercises among an ignorant, warlike and Oriental population.

‘Several generations have elapsed since the nations of the West have drawn the sword in religious controversy, and the evil memories of the gloomy past have soon faded in the strong, clear light of Rationalism and human sympathy.

‘Indeed it is evident that Christianity, however degraded and distorted by cruelty and intolerance, must always exert a modifying influence on men's passions,and protect them from the more violent forms of fanatical fever, as we are protected from smallpox by vaccination.

‘But the Mahommedan religion increases, instead of lessening, the fury of intolerance.

'It was originally propagated by the sword, and ever since, its votaries have been subject, above the people of all other creeds, to this form of madness.

‘In a moment the fruits of patient toil, the prospects of material prosperity, the fear of death itself, are flung aside.

‘The more emotional Pathans are powerless to resist. All rational considerations are forgotten. Seizing their weapons, they become Ghazis--as dangerous and as sensible as mad dogs: fit only to be treated as such.

‘While the more generous spirits among the tribesmen become convulsed in an ecstasy of religious bloodthirstiness,

'poorer and more material souls derive additional impulses from the influence of others, the hopes of plunder
 and the joy of fighting.

‘Thus whole nations are roused to arms. Thus the Turks repel their enemies, the Arabs of the Soudan break the British
 squares, and the rising on the Indian frontier spreads far and wide.

'In each case civilisation is confronted with militant Mahommedanism. The forces of progress clash with those of reaction.

‘The religion of blood and war is face to face with that of peace.

' Luckily the religion of peace is usually the better armed."

Those final two sentences are as apposite today, as a description of what is happening in Gaza, between the Jewish Israelis and the bloodthirsty hate-drunken Hamas jihad gangsters, as they were when Churchill used them to describe those occasions on which the Christianised British came up against Muslim jihadists.

Which one of us will be game to use those two sentences, of Churchill, slightly modified, in letters to the editor, regarding Gaza?

"The religion of blood and war {i.e. Islam} is face to face with that of peace.

"Luckily, the religion of peace is the better armed".

The Jews of Israel have bigger and better bombs than the Muslim assassins of Hamas, and can fire them with much greater accuracy; and I am perfectly content that this should be so.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at December 29, 2008 4:13 PM

Syed, are you familiar with the concept of cause and effect? It is simple really, if Hamas would not have started, for the umpteenth time, launching rockets with explosive warheads into the Israeli civilian population, then Israel would have had to act.

You can argue all you want about the root cause of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, but the bottom line is that Hamas provoked this round.

Hamas should consider the welfare of its people (children in particular) rather than idiotic jihadist martyrdom campaigns. BTW they should also stop the Islamist brainwashing of their children.

Posted by: Captain America at December 29, 2008 4:17 PM

Syed, are you familiar with the concept of cause and effect? It is simple really, if Hamas would not have started, for the umpteenth time, launching rockets with explosive warheads into the Israeli civilian population, then Israel would not have acted.

You can argue all you want about the root cause of the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians, but the bottom line is that Hamas provoked this round.

Hamas should consider the welfare of its people (children in particular) rather than idiotic jihadist martyrdom campaigns. BTW they should also stop the Islamist brainwashing of their children.

Posted by: Captain America at December 29, 2008 4:18 PM

What happens to the " We love death " mantra when they actually start dying?

Posted by: pismopal at December 29, 2008 4:24 PM

Why does it say "Monday 1387" on the left margin?

That's when the Islamic calendar began. But the Iranian history started way before that date. Unlike some the postings here claim, Persian Empire was very advanced when Europeans were true barbarians so do some research before posting these hate comments.

I am very much against all this ignorance and violence on all sides. One part of the ignorance is people don't realize Iranian people are great people who are living under a terrible government which they mostly hate and want to overthrow. US government has never been interested in democracy there. If it was, it would not overthrow democratically elected "Mosadegh" (a great man) and keep supporting dictators such as Shah, Sadam and countless others. US wants a puppet who they can control, everything else is BS and if you disagree you still have not figured out how the world turns. The other ignorance is the blind support for Israel and its actions. Criminal organization such as Hamas and Hezbollah are created and grown mostly because of US/Israel's terrible actions and unfortunately will get stronger as a result of these latest Israel’s criminal activities. It seems like God fearing good people of the west want 300 eyes for every 1 eye.

Too many people including kids and women are dead. Until all these religions (and I MEAN ALL) go away and stupid human beings who follow these blood suckers realize they are just being used for the profits of a few this will continue. All you who support murdering the innocent ARE responsible, should be ashamed of yourselves & are heartless savages and barbarians. Just look at good you and your postings...

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 4:32 PM

"It seems like God fearing good people of the west want 300 eyes for every 1 eye."

Assuming your position arguendo, then the simple solution is for the peace loving jihadists to cease their wanton acts of murder and try to resolve things through diplomacy. If this formula is followed you won't have to worry about your 1 eye.

Posted by: Captain America at December 29, 2008 4:38 PM

Mardekan,

I think you forget that your hero Mosadegh was sympathetic to the USSR and if he gave a foothold to the Communists in the Middle East it just would have prolonged the Cold War. In no way would supporting Mosadegh have aided democracy in the Middle East. If anything, the Western world should regret not supporting the USSR's prescence in Afghanistan and Iran because they would have crushed Islamic fundamentalism for the world before Communism sank. But that's just hindsight bias.

As for Israel's "criminal" actions,they came after repeated calls for the Palestinian government to cease attacks on Israel. The Arabs virtually taunted the Israelis into fighting them in front of the world to see so there's no blind support. It's simply a matter of recognizing another nation's right of self-defense which is a moral position to take. And if you think jihadi organizations like Hamas and Hizbollah are new to the world you are clearly ignorant of your own religion's history.

Finally, let me say this, just because you think Islam sucks doesn't mean anything when it comes to other religions.

Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at December 29, 2008 5:08 PM

It never made any sense to me how anyone rational person could point at civilian casualties in a country that allows people to fire rockets over their borders.

That is the same as declaring war on someone openly. Of course they fired back, how stupid can you be? That would be like letting you hit me repeatedly, or course I got tired of it after a while. And yes your people died when you were counter attacked. If I punch back it will hurt. If you do not want to hurt then keep your fists from hitting me.

That means arresting the people who are attacking Israel and actively patrolling your borders. This war will never end if once peace is declared hostile actions are not quelled on both sides by proper forceful leaders who can act as proper self control for their people on both sides.

Peace is not free but War has a far greater cost.

I would also have to agree that a lot of religions use their followers in order to benefit a few. I think if a lot of these people took a long hard look they would see the truth in that statement. The Catholic church used to run entire countries. The Muslim faith has the same problem Catholicism had 500 years ago; They are letting their religion run their country. This has always led to wars - ALWAYS(Regardless of what religion).

Because when you let one man tell you how to get to God there will always be a price and you as an individual will always be told to pay it while those in charge of the religion reap the benefits.(Kings, Imams, Sultans, Popes). Doesn't matter what you call them they will always be better off than you and will always use fear of what cannot be known to motivate.

Posted by: kgman at December 29, 2008 5:09 PM

Islam can only be described as the most wicked religion on the face of the planet. Any religion who has to spread their word through the maiming, murdering & mutilation of non believers is a reprehensibly offensive religion. They say that it is in the name of the Koran. Well let me tell you, if that is what it says, then I think it is time to rewrite that stuff to adhere to 21 century social standards of respect for human rights & tolerance of those who may be different than ourselves, including their religious beliefs. Millions around the world including women & children, have suffered , and lost their lives for nothing more than a difference in religious opinion or their desire for education and Independence. All in the name of Mohammad. A good majority of these people don't even know who the heck Mohammad is.

It seems to me that if you can get a million men to march on Washington in the name of Brotherhood and take an oath to stand up and be the kind of men that take responsibility and work for a Dream. Why in the name of God can't you get a million Muslims to march in the name of peace & tolerance?

May God bless us all.

Posted by: Thom Morin at December 29, 2008 5:20 PM

The cult of mohammed is NOT about peace. It is a theological fascist movement that is doctrinally mandated to destroy ALL other religion. Should that occur, then the sects will battle among themselves until only one perverse religious ideology survives. Mohammedism is fundamentally flawed and the sooner it is eradicated the better.

Posted by: Dienekes at December 29, 2008 5:25 PM

Let's see. The Christian were just celebrating Christmas last week. The Jews have been celebrating Chanuka. The Islamic New Year begins on December 29, 2008. The rest of us will wait until December 31, 2008. OK nobody is on the same page here.

The Christians don't have any quarrels on either side. The probable points of contention are between Islam and Judaism. Chanuka commemorates redidication of the Temple in Jerusalem after a revolt against Syria around 200 BCE. Islamic extremists oppose a Jewish state nestled among Islamic regimes that have controlled the region for over 1400 years.

Could there be tension to press for another rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem and is the USA going pick a side in this conflict, for political gain; an advantage in future US elections?

It's the extremist that provokes the violent chain reaction. The Winter Solstice passed serenely. Not so many people are familiar with Newgrange, a beautiful megalithic site in Ireland. This huge circular stone structure is estimated to be 5,000 years old, older by centuries than Stonehenge, older than the Egyptian pyramids, older than Judaism, Christianity and Islam!

http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/06/0620_Stonecircles.html

Christmas attempts to unite Heaven and Earth. This distinguishes it from the other celebrations. The Solstice arrives every year on schedule, and Christmas is connected to the Winter Solstice. Perhaps Jews may be converted to Christianity, making plans for a redidication of the Temple in Jerusalem, undesirable and unnecessary.

Posted by: Thunderbolt at December 29, 2008 5:31 PM

Desperate people do what is happing in gaza.If you starve people,Treat them unjustly and inhumanly,control their lives than people will act like the way palestinians are acting right now.
Israelis are worst than nazis even they weren,t treated as badly by nazis as they are treating Palestinians.
Even if they were treated badly by nazis than they should take a lesson from that and not repeat or try to out do them.
If someone takesover your house and treat you inhumanly and control your life,i bet you will try to do what ever in your power to fight back regardless of consequences.
Leave their lands and don't act like gods than every thing will be allright and don't try to give example of when israelis left gaza few years back and palesinians supposidly massedup things because even israelis retreated back,they were still incharge of palestinians lives and keeping palestinian soceity in mass prison.
Why all these people are so mad about muslims its a peaceful religon.
If you mistreat people,take advantage of them and support their enemy unjustly then any one wether muslim or not will try to fight back any way they can and that is what has happend in the past i.e 911 so don't go around and make enemies mind your own business and people will leave you alone.
Look where this meddling has gotten you,billions of needed dollar wasted,thousands killed and things are getting worst at home and it will get even worst believe me.
You don't want to endup like russia do you?
God has put a curse on U.S.A and teaching you a lesson for attacking muslims.Go ask for his forgivness he is merciful.
Doesn't this tell you that Islam is the true religion.
Just be objective for a second and don't get mad thik about it and do some research on your own about Islam and not to believe these lies and vile fabricated information posted here instead of being irrational please think that is all i ask.
Most of these people who are posting here are paid by jewish organizations to spread these lies for their benefit.

Posted by: muslim at December 29, 2008 6:05 PM

What a buncha scumbag hypocrits...they prod Hamas into firing rockets at Israel then come back and act like they are the saviors...Iran is the most evil country since Nazi Germany. Hamas knows they will get their asses kicked but is obliged to listen to the orders from Tehran because that is their "sugardaddy"....Iran will always stir up the pot cuz it needs to divert attention from it's evil nuclear program.

Posted by: Randy Johnson at December 29, 2008 6:06 PM

muslim, you are in the wrong place. You are not going to sell your crap here. Nobody will buy it.

Islam is the true religion?

Islam is the religion for mindless fanatics who are under the curse of brainlessness.

Israel is doing right fighting Hamas, same like Spain did right fighting back the Muslim fanatical fighters. The Spaniards were back then in the frontline, now it is the Israelis in the frontline.

The war against the curse of Islam is a war to the bitter end. What else can we do against those who don't care about their lives (including the quality of their lives) as long as they kill you.

muslim, put that in your head: We don't want Islam, and are ready to fight.

Posted by: rocky at December 29, 2008 6:16 PM

Hey "Muslim" - quit being stupid and try to make it look like the Palestinians are angels...first off they sold most of the land that Israel has now to the Israelis back in the 30s, as far as Islam goes- the most divided, dishonest, violent, hatred filled people are the Arabs....and I mean to EACH other...do you think Israel would have lasted this long if the Arabs were united?? Islam has done nothing for the Arabs but divide them...so if I were you I wouldn't brag so much about being a Muslim.

Posted by: Randy Johnson at December 29, 2008 6:19 PM

Muslim what would your religion require of you to do to me if I declined your invitation to the religion of peace?

I await your answer with baited breath!

Posted by: Captain America at December 29, 2008 6:19 PM

muslim wrote (in a piece so good he had to post it four times):

Israelis are worst than nazis even they weren,t treated as badly by nazis as they are treating Palestinians.
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Yes--because the Nazis were famous for offering Jews great medical care, even though the Jews were trying to wipe Germany off the map--uh, wait...

yet more:

Most of these people who are posting here are paid by jewish organizations to spread these lies for their benefit.
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Well, I know *I am*. Boy, that fat check from the Jewish organizations sure came in handy, since my husband's company wasn't in a position to hand out Christmas bonuses this year.

Posted by: gravenimage at December 29, 2008 6:51 PM

Captain America ,I have no hatred or anger towards you or any one posting here and responding only because you ask other wise i was finished posting.
By God,i respect your choice.
It is only an invitation to religion.
Ofcouse if you incline and accept than i will be rewarded in heaven and that is the only good i am after if i could put only one on the right path.
Islam does not tell one to force any one on any issues how illogical and absurd would that be and not to mention unattainable in realiy.It is a free choice and that is not the Islam i know its the most tolerable religion.
Do you know that God said all your past sins will be forgiven as if the day you are born if you convert to Islam.
Most of us muslims take it for granted but converts follow islam to the true sense.
God bless all of us.

Posted by: muslim at December 29, 2008 7:11 PM

well muslim the offer is tempting but I would hate to stop posting here and give up all those fat checks from Jewish organizations so I have to pass.

Posted by: PraiaFlamego at December 29, 2008 7:18 PM

"thank_god_im_an_infidel"

Your analysis is one sided and laughable. So CIA was right to overthrow Mosadegh and Iranian people did not have a right to choose their own leader at the time since that would not comply with your ideology? So the only kind of democracy you support is the kind that is in line with your beliefs!!!??? I can't expect much more from you I suppose...

Also in other posting equating Iran and Nazi Germany is fear mongering and joke at the best. Iran is a third world country with very little military power when compared to the western powers and Israel. If you know anything about Iran you would know Aadenejad is an idiot front man and real power rests in the hands of the real leader Khamenaii. They brought Ahmadinejad to counter the western idiot Bush. As a matter of fact Iranian people call Ahmadinejad "Iranian Bush"

Israel has become the opresser and jailer of the Palestinians who none of you care about. It's not self defense to kick people out of their homes, humiliate and kill them because you think God gave you the right to the land! The problem is the path Israel is on has and will bring more destruction to Israelis as well so all you people are pushing for this insane lose-lose situation are just pushing for more destruction of everyone.

As I mentioned ALL of these supposedly Godly religions and the people who believe in them are to blame. Your minds are full of savagery and your hearts empty of love of God (who is the only force I believe in). You believe only the teachings of your religions will take you to God and heaven and all others will end up in hell. I really think you are devil worshippers and already living in your own hell when I look your pitiful postings.

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 7:20 PM

It is amazing how we are blinded from the reality and focus more on recent event than the root cause.The occupation of Palestinian's land is something so open and glaring to everyone and no one will sit and look for his people, from generation to generation, to be restricted and deprived continuously of their right to existence.It is wrong for us to continuously back a nation that is not ready to give up other people's land and ready to expand and occupied more land that result into firing of useless rocket 'Kasam' from Gaza.In the beginning, the holocaust ship that landed in Britain after the second world war was rejected and turned back.It was the little land shared by the Palestinian and the Israelite that welcomed the people of the holocaust that year.That is the beginning of the modern conflicts in the region after the two have lived together for generations. The question is...was there any War among these people before the second world war;what was the nature of their relationship then and how come the situation degenerated into the state it is today.The Israelite/Palestinian land has become a bargaining chip among the people of Arab and the Western world.It is so unfortunate that many never wanted the problem to be resolved.A very simple matter, this is my demand and that is your demand and let us make a compromise over it. That is all,but from generation to generation that compromise has never been achieved by the two parties. But why ? Why Ishak Rabin was assassinated? Why Arafat died without seeing the Palestinian freedom and why a 6 months truce will ended up in a disastrous war fare ? What a ridiculous a TRUCE can be. The man kind is the worse among the animal kingdom.Despite of our wisdom and knowledge we can never sit together and resolve a simple problem without resulting into war that we ended fighting from generation to generation.We define security of our existence based on the fire power we possessed.We never think of becoming one people one world.We keep on waging war on one another for no good reason than for our personal gain at the mercy of many innocent souls.The moral of the lesson is that man kind still remain barbarian as long as we wage war to settle a dispute among ourselves. Why not BAN WAR, why not BAN production of any forms of MUNITIONS. The day we feel with no fear of invasion of one another is the day we become CIVILIZED. As long as one group is till ready to invade another then we are all barbarian,less worth than the roaming animal in the bush.
MANKIND, MANKIND, THE WORST OF ALL CREATURES

Posted by: oye at December 29, 2008 7:43 PM

The Mohammedans are the best at kicking people out of their homes, oppressing people all over the world. Not only that but they are the cowardly thugs who rape, kidnap young girls like their monster prophet Mohammad. Islam is a perverted religion of carnage, chaos and ultimately oppression. These cowardly Mohammedans mutilate women's genitals, they go about bombing and stealing others land. They deserve the pounding that Israel is handing to them after all is not that these moronic Mohammedans say it is Allah's will. So let Israel pound them because it is the will of that blood thirst god Allah. HAHAHA!

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 8:10 PM

When will the human race come to realize that ALL RELIGIONS are evil cults developed to divide us all.

As for the Israeli/Pali conflict,how can anyone support Israel??I have studied both sides,and Israel is the aggressor.I know if a certain people would shut down all exits and entrances in MY COUNTRY I too would take up in arms, I mean imagine being prisoner in your OWN COUNTRY!!With limited food, medicine, fuel ect.. all because a small minority with superior weapons GIVEN to them by bigger countries are controlling you.How are people gonna ignore a missile that kills civilians but yet create an uproar over a suicide bombing? ITS THE SAME THING EXCEPT ONE IS A "MISSILE" and the other is a human being who CANT AFFORD A MISSILE BUT IS JUST AS DETERMINED AS THE OTHER SIDE.Just imagine people,being controlled by Jews or any other type of people??Imagine telling your sons and daughters their lives are hopeless because a few people who are evil and greedy deny you your freedom(Even though they preach freedom for all)

Pretend Hati and its residents the Haitians a small minority came in the US and took over the country using superior weapons provided by,lets say, Russia??You know being cowardly and using missles instead of ground troops?? Who would you hate? Not only the Haitinas and Haiti but Russia as well for supporting the genocide,because thats whats going on in PALESTINE, GENOCIDE.

I am not Arab, I am not White I am a 23 yr old educated Hispanic male.I hate all religions.I believe in one God.So please give me an intelligent argument.

Posted by: JayTheSmart1 at December 29, 2008 8:40 PM

oye: "...becoming one people one world"? Oh, please, just go away.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 8:43 PM

"So the only kind of democracy you support is the kind that is in line with your beliefs!!!???"

No, I don't think the US was wrong in being anti-Mosadegh. He was pro-Soviet Union and that made him a threat to the free world, moreso than an Islamic Republic that would for obvious reasons reject the USSR.

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"Also in other posting equating Iran and Nazi Germany is fear mongering and joke at the best."

I never mentioned Nazi Germany.

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"Israel has become the opresser and jailer of the Palestinians who none of you care about. It's not self defense to kick people out of their homes, humiliate and kill them because you think God gave you the right to the land!"

What humilation are you speaking of? You mean because they are subjected to checkpoints? I've waited at checkpoints here in America when the police are looking for a particular criminal or checking for intoxicated drivers. I don't find it humiliating. Maybe because I don't view the police as the descendents of monkeys and pigs. Any humiliation you claim the Arabs suffer at the hands of Israelis pales in comparrison to the humiliations non-Muslims have suffered at the hands of the "true believers" for centuries. Sorry, you won't get my sympathy on that point.

As for your other claims about the origins of the conflict, I find it pointless to debate a Muslim. We had one here named "fancy" who claimed the Israelis stole her home. I looked up the city where she claimed to have lived on Wikipedia and it listed the name of the Jewish organization who bought the land there, the year of purchase and the exact amound of land that was sold. Sorry but if you sell something, you can't turn around later and claim it was stolen. That's called fraud and that word perfectly describes the Palestinian cause.

Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at December 29, 2008 8:50 PM

JayTheSmart1,

You are an educated Hispanic and what is that you are educated in? Or are you maybe one of those Muslims sympathizers or even one of those Mohammedans disguised as a spy?

Yes give us an intelligent argument?

Israel go ahead and pound these oppressive demons called Palestinians who follow the most oppressive ideology that is both political and social called Islam. That is right all peoples should fight the oppressive Mohammedans the aggressors and Mass Murdering genocidal cult of Islam.

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 9:01 PM

muslim -

Save your "invitation". I want nothing to do with your intolerant, bloodthirsty ideology.

And neither does any sane person who cherishes ideals like freedom and justice and LIFE itself!

Posted by: Mo at December 29, 2008 9:03 PM

"Pretend Hati and its residents the Haitians a small minority came in the US and took over the country using superior weapons provided by,lets say, Russia??You know being cowardly and using missles instead of ground troops?? Who would you hate? Not only the Haitinas and Haiti but Russia as well for supporting the genocide,because thats whats going on in PALESTINE, GENOCIDE."

Let's say a group of Hatians immigrate to the US, they buy homes and support their families. Then a group of white supremacists cry that these immigrants represent a threat to the pure whiteness of their area and begin violently attacking the Hatians in their neighborhoods. The Hatians fight back, sending the white supremacists fleeing into other towns. Now let's suppose the Hatian neighborhood prospers and the white trash want to come back except the Hatians never want to see their racist faces again.

That's more like what happened. By the way, JaytheSmart1, Czech weaponry was used in the 1948 war and not American. So much for your "studies". Go look up genocide as well, it doesn't apply.

Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at December 29, 2008 9:14 PM

Jackasses. Can't even get the number of stars on Ol' Glory right. No wonder there won't be an Iran in 5 years...

Posted by: Callidus at December 29, 2008 9:17 PM

Was just watching Fox and saw a clip of several concerned Palestinians hauling one of their seriously wounded brothers to awaiting help. Three or four on each side, they carried him at a crisp gait... toward a very sturdily planted pole, like for telephone wires or a street light.

The two groups of "first responders" carrying the poor guy each headed for different sides of the pole... at the same time.

Next thing I see is the poor, fading victim pull his right leg up and in, away from the idiots on his right side.

Looks like he was the only one paying attention. Wonder how that happened with him being so messed up he needed at least 8 people to help him an' all.

Posted by: undaunted at December 29, 2008 9:18 PM

JayTheSmart1: Unfortunately, you're not smart at all-----or informed. Look, pal, I write as an agnostic, but your assertion that all religions are evil cults is ridiculous on its face. Please tell me why Buddhism is an evil cult? Go ahead, I dare you, make my day. And how exactly is Christianity an evil cult? Be specific. This I want to read.

As for your assertion that so-called Palestinian Arabs are a prisoner in their own country, are you aware that so-called Palestinian Arabs NEVER had a country to begin with? Really, you reveal far more about yourself than you realize. You're embarrassing yourself by your dearth of knowledge and your resorting to emotionalism. Give it up until you become far more knowledgeable. Most folks here at JW are way above the average in knowledge and understanding. Sadly, you're below average in both regards. You're strictly JV and not even a starter at that.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 9:22 PM

"Pretend Hati and its residents the Haitians a small minority came in the US and took over the country using superior weapons provided by,lets say, Russia??" posted by JaytheSmart1

HAHAHA!!! Oh my God! That's priceless! First of all, Haiti's good for nothing except illegal immigrants and rum.

Second, since when is Russia ANYWHERE near America in military, industrial, commercial, or recreational technology?

Good God, man! I gotta better name for you: JAYTHEJACKASS

Posted by: Callidus at December 29, 2008 9:22 PM

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/what-really-happened/
Israel was created out of the former ottoman Empire.
One sixth of one percent of the Middle East is too much land for the Jews according to Arabs.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 29, 2008 9:23 PM

"thank_god_im_an_infidel"

You just keep repeating your blind accusations about Mosadeg and act like America supporting dictators like shah has been good for the world. Obviously that kind of policy has had disastrous results and if you can't figure that out on your own I can't help you!!

"Also in other posting equating Iran and Nazi Germany is fear mongering and joke at the best.

I never mentioned Nazi Germany."

I was not talking about your posting but OTHER people's postings here.

Also your other nonsense about comparing the humiliations and Israeli checks points to the check points here shows how out of touch you are with reality man. how can you even compare the lack of access to basic human rights, medicine and everything else that with a DUI or whatever check points here!!! You are out of your mind!!!

Last thing, as far as the origin of the conflict you seem to lack the brain power to understand my postings to call me a Muslim. I am neither Muslim, Christian, Jew nor believe in any of these fairy tail based religions. I only believe in God and know that people like you are really devil worshippers since all you are advocating is cruelty and murder based on your selfish understanding of the world. I feel very sorry for you and your kind since you are living in a self made hell of a world based on lack of knowledge, ruthless heart and twisted beliefs. You are living a pointless life and will never be happy. You are a representative a religious personality and THAT is exactly why I oppose all religions.

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 9:38 PM

"Most of us muslims take it for granted but converts follow islam to the true sense.
God bless all of us. "
muslim, you can take your cult with you to hell, you are ignorant of your own cult and your clerics want you to kill others and your reward are virgins, what kind of sick god would allow that to happen. islam began with the perfect man who raped women and girls and killed and stole. yeah the perfect man! seems you muslims try to keep up with him. your cult will die like the aztecs and mayans blood death cults.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at December 29, 2008 9:39 PM

If You Separate money from religion, there would be nothing to fight about.

Posted by: Steve at December 29, 2008 9:39 PM

YOU ALL BUNCH OF ANIMAL....NO WAIT... ANIMALS ARE FAR FAR BETTER THAN YOU. YOU GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU MOTHER FUCKERS. ISLAM IS THE BEST ALL JEWISH MOTHER FUCKERS DIE DIE DIE WITH THE REST!!!

For all those who posted any thing against Islam...go fuck yourself..mother fucker bitches

Posted by: shamshoon at December 29, 2008 9:56 PM

Mardekan: I would pose to you what Benjamin Franklin observed more than two centuries ago (and it should be noted that Old Ben was not a conventionally religious guy by any standard). He said that if man is bad with religion, imagine what he would be without it. Care to dispute this assessment by one of the wisest human beings who ever lived? Don't you think that the last century of mankind proves his point in spades? No? Why not? Waiting.

Steve: Are you really as dense as your post would seemingly indicate? Do you really believe, but for money, that those who are religious and believe fervently in the correctness of their faith, would desist from all conflict? Really? I suspect you're college educated and thus you help prove the point of Dennis Prager that the two greatest phenomena contributing to the stupidity of the modern age are television and college education.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 9:57 PM

Mardekan: I would pose to you what Benjamin Franklin observed more than two centuries ago (and it should be noted that Old Ben was not a conventionally religious guy by any standard). He said that if man is bad with religion, imagine what he would be without it. Care to dispute this assessment by one of the wisest human beings who ever lived? Don't you think that the last century of mankind proves his point in spades? No? Why not? Waiting.

Steve: Are you really as dense as your post would seemingly indicate? Do you really believe, but for money, that those who are religious and believe fervently in the correctness of their faith, would desist from all conflict? Really? I suspect you're college educated and thus you help prove the point of Dennis Prager that the two greatest phenomena contributing to the stupidity of the modern age are television and college education.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 9:57 PM

Mardekan: I would pose to you what Benjamin Franklin observed more than two centuries ago (and it should be noted that Old Ben was not a conventionally religious guy by any standard). He said that if man is bad with religion, imagine what he would be without it. Care to dispute this assessment by one of the wisest human beings who ever lived? Don't you think that the last century of mankind proves his point in spades? No? Why not? Waiting.

Steve: Are you really as dense as your post would seemingly indicate? Do you really believe, but for money, that those who are religious and believe fervently in the correctness of their faith, would desist from all conflict? Really? I suspect you're college educated and thus you help prove the point of Dennis Prager that the two greatest phenomena contributing to the stupidity of the modern age are television and college education.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 9:57 PM

These Mohammedans and their stupid foolish "God" Allah are posting here with their deceptive and taquiya that is all to prevalent in their culture. The sickness that is in them is vile and that what is happening to them to because of their Allah who wills it upon them that the Zionists the Jews the Israelis pound them. Yes Allah knows best that is the Mohammedans are running they are being pounded by the will of Allah. Ha ha ha ha!

The true God sees the evil in the Mohammedans who have worship the sick and revolting Mohammedan the devil. Yes Islam is not a religion it is a political and social system that the evil Mohammedans and their sympathizers follow. The devil is in their hearts and minds. They are about stealing, raping, murdering, kidnapping young girls, beating women, lying, mass murdering, destroying, having young children as slaves all this is ordained in their political doctrine of Islam.

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 9:59 PM

Mardekan: I would pose to you what Benjamin Franklin observed more than two centuries ago (and it should be noted that Old Ben was not a conventionally religious guy by any standard). He said that if man is bad with religion, imagine what he would be without it. Care to dispute this assessment by one of the wisest human beings who ever lived? Don't you think that the last century of mankind proves his point in spades? No? Why not? Waiting.

Steve: Are you really as dense as your post would seemingly indicate? Do you really believe, but for money, that those who are religious and believe fervently in the correctness of their faith, would desist from all conflict? Really? I suspect you're college educated and thus you help prove the point of Dennis Prager that the two greatest phenomena contributing to the stupidity of the modern age are television and college education.

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 10:01 PM

Shamshoon:

Okey-dokey. Bye, now.

Posted by: MarisolJW at December 29, 2008 10:02 PM

shamshoon,

WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Islam the dirtiest and lowest and idiotic ideology ever in the world. It is vile and pathetic, and retarded. No wonder the Islamic world is sorry and look at what is happening now. The Mohammedans are running.

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 10:04 PM

Sorry for the multiple posts but something, I know not what, went awry (please notice the not so subtle attempt at exculpation; were I anyone else but me I would be skeptical).

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 10:08 PM

"Also your other nonsense about comparing the humiliations and Israeli checks points to the check points here shows how out of touch you are with reality man. how can you even compare the lack of access to basic human rights, medicine and everything else that with a DUI or whatever check points here!!! You are out of your mind!!!"

To me the checkpoints used by the police to check for drunk drivers are the same as check points meant to check for bombs. It's to save human lives not to harrass other people. It's also no different than all of the checkpoint used by government throughout the Middle East to check for gunman looking to assasinate the local despots.

Mardekan you are a Muslim. If you were an Iranian Jew, Christian or Zoroastrian defending the Arabs you would say so. Do you think saying you believe in God but hate religion is anything new by crypto-Muslims on the internet? It's not. By the way saying you regard religions as fairy tales but maintaining a belief in God (Allah in your case)is absurd. You would never have believed in God without those fairy tales.

I don't blame you for being embarrassed of being a Muslim when you have to call someone like shamshoon and the "Death to All Juice" guy your brothers.

Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at December 29, 2008 10:36 PM

Wellington,

We are beyond these one liners by a wise man describing human with or without religion at this point. It is true and was probably Benjamin Franklin's core point that human's selfish behavior could and would turn anything good to something not so good. BUT religions terrible affect on humanity over the history can not be disputed when you look at all the wars and miseries they have brought us.

I agree that people would probably divide under some kind of lines if religions did not exist but my argument is these religions with their rigid and divisive rules and directives have had the worst influence on the human culture over the history.

We will never be free unless we can shake religious mentality, just believe in God and realize we don't need prophets, books claim to be words of God or any kind of third party to communicate and know God. When human beings collectively realize this fact that I feel in my heart and mind every single day then there could be a chance for peace and unity but until then we have the hate mongers such as the mullahs in Iran, Hamas , Hezbollah, Israeli and western right wingers messing up this world.

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 10:36 PM

You know the problem here is religion period. There is no god get over it stop killing in the name of something that is no more real than the freaking easter bunny.
Now as far as the recruiting goes i think they should arm themselves to the teeth. The west has for to long supported the Israeli governments terrorist campaign against the muslim world, and all because we feel sorry about the whole holocaust thing.
I mean I think its horrible that all the men women and children had to die in Germany just for their beliefs, but to allow the same group of people to invade, and destroy another culture is wrong and turning a blind eye to it or justifying it because of the horrible things that they were subjected to, does not make it ok. In fact it makes them as evil as the nazis that once hunted them.
I am sure this post will never see the light of day, because it might be viewed as taboo, or maybe make people think about the other side of the argument for a second, but i had to post what i know to be truth.
I cannot wait for Atheism to become the standard implemented religion accepted/enforced world wide, till then all this blood is on your hands, now go pray for the easter bunny to shit out some chocolate eggs. Freaks and by freaks i mean christians jews muslims buddhist, etc....

Posted by: dan at December 29, 2008 10:42 PM

"thank_god_im_an_infidel"

The only thing I am embarrassed about is to have had an argument with you!!! You obviously are too dumb to understand that I am NOT a muslim or have any other religions. Those fairy tales are EXCACTLY the reason I know God has nothing to do with any of your religions; he is too smart to have anything to do with all the BS in Koran, Bible...... This argument is laughable and is going to end right here right now.

I don't know why this fact is sooooo hard for you understand so here it is again super retard: I don't like, believe or have ever believed or will ever believe in any religions and that is the end of that you religious retard!!!!

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 10:52 PM

Keep at Israel pound Gaza and do not stop until you have inflicted great damage to the Mohammedans called Hamas. The murdering thugs who follow the only one political system and social system that wants to oppress the world and that is Islam.

Islam is a bigoted, hateful and misogynist ideology that its citizens the Mohammedans follow. Those precepts and rules(sharia)are what they want to enforce on all of humanity. It is a slave driven system and discriminates and hates all non Muslims who are not its citizens. Moreover even those who are its citizens are held captives such as women. Women and non Arab Mohammedans are lower class citizens of Islam. Islam and its citizen wish to subdue the rest of the world under its oppressive rule.

The founder of Islam was a murdering, pedophile rapist, robber, illiterate thug called Mohammad.

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 10:54 PM

Somebody p*ssed in shamshoon's Cheerios.
Heh.
Islam is wrong. It is a "Johnny-come-lately" religion.
How's the blood pressure? heh heh

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 29, 2008 11:08 PM

Mardekan: You dismissed Franklin without refuting him. Sorry, this won't do. I'll provide you another assessment similar to Franklin's and by a contemporary of that fine fellow. Voltaire (also a skeptic like Franklin) observed, as I have noted several times here at JW, that if God doesn't exist, we'll have to invent Him.

Look, I'll try and meet you half way. Here's how: I think mankind pathetic with religion, but even more pathetic without it (Islam excluded from this assessment because it is the one major faith which is inimical to its very core to true freedom and tolerance). There, now what do you say?

Posted by: Wellington at December 29, 2008 11:12 PM

I cannot wait for Atheism to become the standard implemented religion accepted/enforced world wide, till then all this blood is on your hands, now go pray for the easter bunny to shit out some chocolate eggs. Freaks and by freaks i mean christians jews muslims buddhist, etc....
Posted by: dan

Killing Fields of Cambodia and Vietnam, Stalin's Russia, Communist China, Che's camps...on and on

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 29, 2008 11:14 PM

my friends and fellow citizens of the world please take this insanity serious. We failed this with Hitler and the Nazis let us not make the same mistake. We must learn to share this small world of ours or lose it in the process

Posted by: jim hipsher at December 29, 2008 11:17 PM

Yes lets make sure that we take this insanity brought upon the world by the political movement and social movement called Islam and its citizens the murdering Mohammedans and support Israel's defense from the barbaric savages, who wish to inflict and subdue the Zionist nation under the savage and oppressive rule of the political ideology of Islam. Lets make sure that no one these Nazis Islamic agenda does not again get a chance to wipe out the free people of the world.

They follow Hitler and support the same hateful political ideology. The citizens of Islam wish to kill all those who are not part of it.

Posted by: savsiv at December 29, 2008 11:26 PM

Wellington,

I am not really sure why your argument contains one liners instead of what actually religions have done to human beings. I completely disagree that human would be worse without religion. On the contrary I believe human would be much much better without religion and the miserable human history that has been formed by religious beliefs proves it.

My own personal experience proves it as well. Most of the people that I know who are religious (that includes all religions)have been selfish, ruthless, mindless and illogical(sort of like many people who post here!!) where as people without religious beliefs (or even atheists) have shown to be analytical, much easier to get along with and over all better people. So history and my own experience confirm my argument.

Posted by: Mardekan at December 29, 2008 11:34 PM

I think most people after reading the comments on these pages have got it wrong im athiest but would not kill anyone and i dont believe i will be judged when i die . religion is just a way our ansesters came up with to say how the sun comes up and the fear of death and self importance when you die you go to sleep but never wake up you dont dream you just go back to the universe . but i believe if all religious people believe so much that you will kill some one over your fairy tale well a mass suiside of all religious people so you can go to your god and leave this planet so the rest of us animals can live in peace and protect our mother earth she will kill us all one day any ways like has happened many times over the history of this planet . religion is about opresion and control . aboriginals are one of the oldest races of humans on the planet and where far away from religions so they didnt get subjected to this crap they know they are animals and have dream time with giant snakes that created rivers but its dream time . if you believe like me that all humans all animals are related you would not bomb anyone because you are bombing family would you kill your sister or family member of course you wouldnt hate brings hate and raise your voice against anyone who twists your religion or country to kill for god or for a country we are all human the people who own the world love war its good for buisness ammo goes bad if not used and they need to sell more . they love religion too as it stops us from seeing the truth and we can be there puppets stop being puppets pull your own strings and a bright future there will be for all earths creatures .

Posted by: barney at December 30, 2008 12:01 AM

We posted an article over at ZZ News and Satire linking to your site for more info on this barbaric Clergy Combat website. http://zardozz.com/zz/

Does anyone have one good reason why Israel does not react to this as a provocative act of war ???

Wonder if Las Vegas is giving odds yet on whether Iran strikes Israel or visa versa before or after Obama takes office ??

Posted by: Stu Gotz at December 30, 2008 12:11 AM

Markedan: Gee, I wish you'd respond with an argument rather than just a dismissal. Why is Franklin wrong in your opinion? Why Voltaire? Can't you even try and refute their contentions?

As for what religions have done to human beings (specifically Christianity here), would that include Gregorian Chant, Irish, Anglo-Saxon and Carolingian illuminated manuscripts, Romanesque and Gothic cathedrals, Thomas Aquinas' intellectual architecture, Italian Renaissance religious painting and sculpture, Baroque art (the Counter-Reformation's response aesthetically to the Protestant Reformation), Bach, Handel's and other modern composers religiously inspired music and much, much more of a positive nature? Sorry, but it seems you have made something of a religion out of not having one. I myself am an agnostic, not religious in the least, but I see religion as I do almost all human endeavors--------a mixed bag. To note only the positive or the negative is a kind of intellectual dishonesty. Sorry, can't go there.

Posted by: Wellington at December 30, 2008 12:20 AM

Muslim wrote:

"Islam does not tell one to force any one on any issues how illogical and absurd would that be and not to mention unattainable in realiy.It is a free choice and that is not the Islam i know its the most tolerable religion."

I beg to differ with you. You either are without knowledge of Islam or are purposely trying to deceive.

How do you explain the passages below?

The Qur'an:

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down.

Sura (9:5) "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..." Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as salat and zakat.

Sura (9:12) "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion" This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.

Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..."

Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists [Christians...], invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"

Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."

Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

Bukhari (59:643) - "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!" Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition to destroy the local religion in Yemen.

Ibn Ishaq 959 - Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying, “If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. The text goes on to say that Khalid taught the al-Harith about Islam after their "conversion," proving that it was based on fear of slaughter rather than a free and intelligent decision.

Posted by: Captain America at December 30, 2008 12:21 AM

UUUUck! Wow, most trolls I've ever seen at this site. Many of the posts have the same cadence and structure, hmmm.

Take 'em down guys n gals. They don't know with whom they've chosen to fight.

I'm really glad Robert (and Marisol) do not censor, as it does indeed allow all to see the vacuousness of their arguments.

Carry on. I am, as always, impressed with the caliber of the "regulars" knowledge. Whew.

Posted by: derak at December 30, 2008 12:33 AM

Hi, thought you would like this one - if you haven't seen it
already.

Happy New Year

Written by an Australian
Dentist....too good to
delete....

To Kill an American

You
probably missed this in the rush of news, but
there was actually a report that someone in
Pakistan had published in a newspaper, an offer
of a reward to anyone who killed an American,
any American.

So an Australian dentist wrote an editorial the
following day to let everyone know what an
American is. So they would know when they found
one. (Good one, mate!!!!)

'An American is English, or French, or Italian,
Irish, German, Spanish,Polish, Russian or
Greek. An American may also be Canadian, Mexican,
African, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Australian, Iranian, Asian, or Arab, or
Pakistani or Afghan.

An American may also be a Comanche, Cherokee,
Osage, Blackfoot, Navaho, Apache, Seminole or
one of the many other tribes known as native
Americans.

An American is Christian, or he could be Jewish, or Buddhist, or Muslim.

In fact, there are more
Muslims in America than in Afghanistan.

The only difference is that in America they are free to worship as each of them chooses.

An American is also free to believe in no religion. For that he will answer only to God, not to the government, or to armed thugs claiming to speak for the government and for God.

An American lives in the most prosperous land in
the history of the world.

The root of that prosperity can be found in the
Declaration of Independence, which recognizes
the God given right of each person to the
pursuit of happiness.

An American is generous. Americans have helped out
just about every other nation in the world in
their time of need, never asking a thing in
return.

When Afghanistan was over-run by the Soviet army 20 years ago, Americans came with arms and supplies to enable the people to win back their
country!

As of the morning of September 11, Americans had
given more than any other nation to the poor in
Afghanistan. Americans welcome the best of
everything...the best products, the best books,
the best music, the best food, the best services. But they also welcome the least.

The national symbol of America, The Statue of
Liberty, welcomes your tired and your poor, the
wretched refuse of your teeming shores, the
homeless, tempest tossed. These in fact are the
people who built America morning of September 11,
2001 earning a better life for their families. It's been told that the World Trade Center victims were from at least 30 different countries,
cultures, and first languages, including those that aided and abetted the terrorists.

So you can try to kill an American if you must.
Hitler did. So did General Tojo, and Stalin, and
Mao Tse-Tung, and other blood-thirsty tyrants in the world.

But, in doing so you would just be
killing yourself . Because Americans are not a
particular people from a particular place. They
are the embodiment of the human spirit of
freedom. Everyone who holds to that spirit,
everywhere, is an American.

Posted by: Serv Alpha at December 30, 2008 1:01 AM

Wellington,

I would like to continue our discussion but don't have much time. Also I feel like I have answered you based on my own experiences with people.

A lot of those artists and musicians had to put a religious touch on their work for it to get accepted by the church which was running the show back then so don't get too far ahead on your analysis there.

I will argue that the mixed bag you are referring to is very heavy with real bad and very light with real good when it comes to religion. I also do believe ultimately human beings will realize all religions are full of BS and the real civilized societies will emerge then.

It was good talking to you, have a great evening.

Posted by: Mardekan at December 30, 2008 1:13 AM

Markedan: You have a good evening too. Perhaps we can indeed continue this discussion some other time.

Posted by: Wellington at December 30, 2008 1:18 AM

To all the world who hate Americans and Israelis:

You can try to kill Americans and Israelis if you must. But, in doing so you would just be
killing yourself. Because Americans and Israelis are not a particular people from a particular place. They are the embodiment of the human spirit of freedom, and I would die for either of them.

Ehyen...

Posted by: rwkkpnoi at December 30, 2008 1:58 AM

Jeez, When did the Shriners Circus come to town? Can't wait to see the elephants.

Posted by: sainte at December 30, 2008 6:46 AM

Or is that Barnum Bailey, the march of the evil clowns.

Sheesh, no wonder my sister was afraid of the clowns.

I expect any moment for Sargeant Carter to run up: Pyyle! Get back in line!

That's for all you old timers.

Mohammadan, meet your leaders - Hup, Hup, Hup, all in perfect lock step. Pyle! Get back in line!

Posted by: sainte at December 30, 2008 6:58 AM

"Anything to help explode this ridiculous Clash of Civilisations, Islam vs. the West myth."
Posted by: truthbetold

Sorry, truthbetold, there is nothing at all "ridiculous" about this thesis, and it is not a "myth." Samuel Huntington's analysis of where the political fault lines of the world will be in the future was spot on. His voice will be missed.

Wellington, your posts in this thread are sweet refrains of rationality sprinkled amidst an otherwise mostly cacophonous jumble of noise. As was noted above, there are an unusually large number of trolls/apologists out today. Thanks for taking the point in refuting them.

Posted by: Eastview at December 30, 2008 10:29 AM

My own personal experience proves it as well. Most of the people that I know who are religious (that includes all religions)have been selfish, ruthless, mindless and illogical(sort of like many people who post here!!) where as people without religious beliefs (or even atheists) have shown to be analytical, much easier to get along with and over all better people. So history and my own experience confirm my argument.
Posted by: Mardekan

Simple answer: that is because those people share your values and convictions. You would get along with them better.
I have found that left leaning people are convinced of their own moral and intellectual superiority. They are the meanest natured people alive.
You think in quick order that religious people have no right to hold public office, and should sit at the back of the bus.
From there is a short trip to getting rid of religious people. This experiment has been performed over and over in history.

Posted by: interestinconundrum at December 30, 2008 11:11 AM

Thank you, Eastview.

Posted by: Wellington at December 30, 2008 11:19 AM

"Islam does not tell one to force any one on any issues how illogical and absurd would that be and not to mention unattainable in realiy.It is a free choice and that is not the Islam i know its the most tolerable religion.

muslim,

I can never make up my mind if Muslims who make statements like the above are lieing or just ignorant about their own religion.

My challenge to you is to go to any Islamic society and tell everyone you meet that you used to be a muslim but are a convert to Christianity. A snowball would have a better chance in hell, then you would of survival, and you know it. So keep the bullshit to yourself.

Posted by: rational at December 30, 2008 7:51 PM

All this bullshit in the name of religion has been going on since the beginning of humankind. Believe in my God, or I will kill you is what it basically boils down to. It will continue until there are no more religions to argue over. But then we will find new matters to squabble about, until there is no one left to do the squabbling. My belief is that organized religions are the cruelest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the human race. But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Posted by: Agnosticator at January 1, 2009 12:48 PM

How can they fight an "organized" war when they can't even march in step?

Posted by: Agnosticator at January 1, 2009 12:50 PM