Well l can think we can help them achieve their wish,keep up with the bombs.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 2, 2009 2:19 PM

Muslim Arabs would appear to have two Speaking Styles. When attempting to win over Infidels, its all soft-spoken slitheriness, and the best example of this is Tariq Ramadan. When the audience is that of fellow Muslim Arabs, the Ranting Style is all the rage, and with all the rage.

So there's the Canting Style, and the Ranting Style. And that's about it.

Perhaps you'd like to see another, quite similar example of the Ranting Style, this one of Muslim clerics and "scholars" on Egyptian television (strange, isn't it, the way a single syllable against Gamal Mubarak would have a station closed down, but that somehow antisemitic rants are all over the Egyptian media, with no one making an attempt to stop it, and without the far too tolerant Americans -- for America was the Only Begetter of those Accords that have proven so disastrous for Israel, while Egypt happily pocketed, over three years, all of the Sinai along with the sixteen billion dollars (1979 dollars) of infrastructure -- ever pointing out that this violates the clear and solemn undertakings that Egypt made in the Camp David Accords.

Well, if you are in that mood, simply click here:

http://newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/18752

You may find the clip so fascinating that you will want to share it with everyone you know. It might provide, at least for the undemented, a salutary jolt.

Posted by: Hugh at January 2, 2009 2:22 PM

Given that the true belivers in Islamic ideology are always claiming that they prefer death to life, it would seem to follow that they should be grateful to those who give them what they want. Is there a flaw in im reasoning?

Posted by: Kingsley at January 2, 2009 2:31 PM

The use of human shields is a war crime:

Protocol I Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to the Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts, 8 June 1977

Art. 51. - Protection of the civilian population

7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favour or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.

It is no different than the war crimes of the Nazis or perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide.

Posted by: SaracensAtTheGates at January 2, 2009 2:46 PM

I would have thought the death of Rayan's 4 children and 2 wives would have been a wake up call to the general public as to the reality of the human shield, but they are blind to it.

I recently had a conversation with someone when the issue of the real and present threat of fundamental Islam came up, and when I offered to send along some information via e-mail (this site and others) the answer was "I don't want you to send me anything". What? How could a person not want to know?? That was a sober moment as I shook my head and quietly said to myself, and the other person, 'and that is why we are in the position we are in'. So sad.

People don't want to know. I'll admit it's a hard place to be, to hold knowledge that necessitates a choice of action; do nothing, or do something, and doing something requires risk on some level. What they don't see is that there is a greater risk, and farther reaching, in doing nothing. The 1940's were not such a long time ago, yet the lessons to be gleaned from the action/inaction of the general population of Germany (etc.) seem to be dust in the wind.

Ignorance is not bliss, it is suicide. Ugh.

Posted by: Toward the Right at January 2, 2009 2:46 PM

If this guys is really serious, he should commit suicide and leave those who enjoy life in piece.

Posted by: Calatrava at January 2, 2009 2:48 PM

Kingsley...you are exactly correct in your thinking. There should be no Gazan women mourning..they should all be celebrating, apparently, at the deaths of their loved ones in "jihad". Since they are crying, logically, they are unbelievers and must be dealt with according to Sharia law...death.

Posted by: No More Ham, Ed at January 2, 2009 2:49 PM

When attempting to parse Mahometanisms it is best to leave logic at the door. Instead think of rhetoric and theatre. Hamas does have a very concrete aim in their warmaking, which this episode is incremental in focus, give us control over our borders.

When Hitler reoccupied the Rhine in violation of the Versailles treaty, it would have been at most UNpleasent for the allies to remove those German troops by force, but at that time the zeitgeist was such that a peace at any price idea was adopted, the argument being, it would be like us telling our neighbor to stay out of his own garden.

I am a little surprised that the few Mahometan shills do not stick to the idea of the justice of Palestinians controlling their own borders, instead of swerving off into accusations of genocide and proportion, but sometimes while having a good ear for what flies in Islamistan, they have a bit of auricular tin when it comes to agitprop in the west.

Posted by: stickman at January 2, 2009 2:51 PM

I mean, peace.

Posted by: Calatrava at January 2, 2009 3:05 PM

I thought you meant "pieces". Both work.

Posted by: winoceros at January 2, 2009 3:08 PM

Why should the Israelis be so scrupulous at avoiding civilian deaths? The terrorists and the so-called civilians are in it together. They are as much the enemy of Israel and the West in the here and now of 2009 as what the German Armed Forces and civilian population were enemies of Britain in 1940. German civilians sought victory over Britain every bit as much as what their troops and airmen did, and likewise, Gazan 'civilians' seek the destruction of Israel every bit as much as what the terrorists do. The only way for Israel to win is to wage total war without scruples, and get these facts through to the Western population. Could the Allies have won World War II without targeting German civilians as well as their military? Certainly not. In the Gaza Strip, every adult civilian is a potential terrorist. Every child is a potential future terrorist. And that must be realised by all. Better that a five year old Gazan dies under bombs today than allow it to murder 20 or 30 in an Israeli shopping mall 15 years from now. That is the horrible calculus we are faced with in Israel and the West today, because of them and the way they are. We, in our politically-correct multiculturalist Western minds, still think these fanatical Gazans are just like us, that their five year olds are no different from our five year olds. But they're as different from us as what sugar is from potassium cyanide.

Sir Arthur Harris probably didn't lose sleep if five year old Germans died under Allied bombs, because his focus was victory, and he believed a massive bombing campaign would eventually contribute to defeat Germany, and that if you start wars, five year olds will inevitably get killed in them, and to do anything less would cause us to lose the war. If anything was to make him lose sleep, it would be over whether those bomber crews came back alive. And we already know that those who carry out homicide bombings in Israel have been filled with the sort of hatred and antisemitism that gave them their ambition to carry out their heinous act from being three years old or less.

We have so much to learn about the type of enemy we are up against, and we haven't got very long to learn it, and clinging to politically correct multiculturalist dogmas will only put back the day when we finally learn. And by then, it might well be too late.

Posted by: Spirit Of 1683 at January 2, 2009 3:18 PM

If this guys is really serious, he should commit suicide and leave those who enjoy life in piece.

Posted by: Calatrava

Just what I was thinking, Calatrava. If they love death so much, why haven't they all committed suicide? That would show us! I know I'd be impressed.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 2, 2009 3:30 PM

It is disappointing to see Russell Mean's Lakotah Sioux tribe or sect of the Lakotah nation taking the side of these jihadist killers.

http://www.republicoflakotah.com/?p=621

I wrote Lakotah and am told they will address my concerns and those of others in next weeks update.

Posted by: Wild Jew at January 2, 2009 3:41 PM

Palestinians? Who are they? You mean Arabs who live in the region between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean who are not in the 5% of the British Mandate that did not become an Arab country, and who were granted neither autonomy nor citizenship when their territory was seized in war by Egypt and governed by that country for
20 years?

Posted by: Novalis at January 2, 2009 3:53 PM

This reminds me of what I heard the Shinto Japanese mind set was during WWII. To die for the emperor or have your child die as a komikaze for the emperor was an honor greater than life itself.

The Allied attack of mainland Japan was to be a fight to the death for every Japanese man, woman and child. Therefore the decision was made to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nukes in order to save lives.

Now I'm not advocating the use of nukes here, as that would lead to greater loss of life since everyone seems to have them now days. But the mentality of the paleostininans is the same as the Japanese in 1945.

As happened in the South with Sherman's march to the sea, in 1945 with the allied march to Berlin and the Island hopping and ultimate bombing of Japan, only a massive sweep of death and destruction will bring these people to their senses. Or lacking that, their total destruction. Either way, their removal as a threat.

Fortunately, the people of the Confederacy, Germany, and Japan surrendered and joined the world of democratic countries (not that the South was undemocratic but you get my meaning). And as a result have for many years been free of conflict and have enjoyed robust economies and increased standards of living (from a modern sense).

Although I pray for such, I'm afraid the muslim mentality won't allow any such "enlightening".

Posted by: walterc at January 2, 2009 3:54 PM

"Air Chief Marshal Sir Arthur Harris"
-- from a posting above

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhmRrTsv55Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPgy4mZrYd4&feature=channel

Posted by: Hugh at January 2, 2009 3:54 PM

"We want death just as much as you desire life."
===========================================

May Allah grant this wish to any and all Muslims who declare it.

Posted by: A_Nonny_Mouse at January 2, 2009 4:04 PM

Thx, Hugh. The "New English Review" makes for excellent reading, though it could use a better font format online.

Posted by: jewdog at January 2, 2009 4:26 PM

Not to infer that Palestinians are a bit simple, but.....why would they encourage females to die for Allah's cause when it actually cuts off the ability to have more Palestinian babies.

Will Muhammed and Shariah law allow Polygamy
for females after they have become about 35% of the population in Palestine , after all , Muhammed claimed that the widows needed support
and taking several wives solved the problem.

Sound fair to me.

Posted by: ala-sux at January 2, 2009 4:30 PM

From rant: That is telling the Zionist enemy
We want death just as much as you desire life.

Shhhhhh, not so loud, they might hear you...

Posted by: duh_swami at January 2, 2009 4:36 PM

Spirit of 1683, the reason why Israel has to minimize "civilian" casuallties (not that there are actual civilians in Hamastan, in the strict sense of the world) is because they are held to a higher standard than anyone else, especially Arabs, who are of course never held to any standard whatsoever, especially not universal, objective standards of ethics and morality, but Hussein Obama was elected so racism no longer exists, of course. Be sure to point out the racism inherent in this double standard any time a Leftist criticizes Israel or defends the philistines.

You don't really have to kill any more than those who have to be taken out in order to start pushing them southeastward. There's no reason for heavy casualties. They just need to push all the philistines into Egypt and it would be divine justice forcing Egypt to deal with the monster they created. They need to take back not just Gaza, but also Judea and Samaria, as well as the Sinai, as they have every right to do. The clip Hugh posted above itself more than constitutes grounds for taking it all back and sending Egypt the bill for every man-hour, missile, and bullet used to take it back. It itself constitutes a direct violation of the terms specified in the Camp David Accords.

Posted by: jdamn at January 2, 2009 4:42 PM

"We want death just as much as you desire life."
From the article.

There are those who will be more than happy to grant your most fervent desires. Either prove it or shut up. If you prove it, then that's the end. Everyone will be happy. If you shut up, that's almost, although not quite, as good since it spares everyone else from having to listen to your incessant whining. If you don't do either, then you're merely a coward scorned by the world as a weakling whose words are without conviction. Your choice.

Posted by: Eastview at January 2, 2009 4:52 PM

Walterc said:

The Allied attack of mainland Japan was to be a fight to the death for every Japanese man, woman and child. Therefore the decision was made to destroy Hiroshima and Nagasaki with nukes in order to save lives.

I hope you don't mind if I add to this a bit.

*The estimated murder by Japanese between 1937-1945 is around 10 million, many of those deaths through brutal torture, human experimentation and biological warfare. (China claims around 30 million Chinese dead at Japanese hands after 12 years of occupancy.)

*The estimated number of Japanese killed by the atom bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima are:

Hiroshima: 140,000 + about 60,000 resulting from causes related to the bomb.

Nagasaki: 70,000 + about 140,000 resulting from related causes.

I agree that as terrible as the bombs were, they saved lives.

The Japanese soldiers didn't hide behind civilians, to their credit. They had some semblance of honor even if it was rooted in greed and power.

Jihadists have no honor. During his two tours in Iraq, a friend of mine stood by jihad "warriors" grovelling on the ground crying for their mothers and begging not to be beaten after being caught.

I wonder if there is a way to awaken some sense of personal honor in those who will listen? It's difficult when the children are taught that they are good and pure for wanting to fight, and feeling hatred toward Jews and infidels. That gets to the core of developing a conscience - they don't have one. A conscience is said to be formed in a child by the age of 10.

Oh yeah, it was Hitler who said this:

"The Jews have inflicted two wounds on mankind - circumcision on its body and conscience on its soul. They are Jewish inventions. The war for the domination of the world is waged only between these two camps alone, the Germans and the Jews."
~Mein Kampf

Thank you God, thank you Jewish people everywhere who don't hide from your heritage.

Posted by: Toward the Right at January 2, 2009 5:02 PM

Toward the Right said: I hope you don't mind if I add to this a bit.

*The estimated murder by Japanese between 1937-1945 is around 10 million, many of those deaths through brutal torture, human experimentation and biological warfare. (China claims around 30 million Chinese dead at Japanese hands after 12 years of occupancy.)

*The estimated number of Japanese killed by the atom bombs dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima are:

Hiroshima: 140,000 + about 60,000 resulting from causes related to the bomb.

Nagasaki: 70,000 + about 140,000 resulting from related causes.

I agree that as terrible as the bombs were, they saved lives.

The Japanese soldiers didn't hide behind civilians, to their credit. They had some semblance of honor even if it was rooted in greed and power.

Thanks for the added insight.

Posted by: walterc at January 2, 2009 5:21 PM

Toward the right : I have said for years that political correctness is lethal. My friends disagree, thinking that at its "worst" (as if it were not an entire package made of strands of illusion) it is rather humorous, you know, they say "political correctness gone mad", whereas of course it is all mad). But as individuals and as a culture we have sold our souls for political correctness. It is not much less entrenched than the self-righteous hatred of those Muslim fanatics. It will be the frank, brutal, inescapable onslaught of such fanatics, emboldened beyond any kind of restraint possible from the normal law and policy measures existing in the West, which will see the beginning of the unravelling of PC.

Sadly, your friend might still declare himself a pacifist and let you do all the work.

Posted by: PG at January 2, 2009 5:23 PM

We want death just as much as you desire life.

It just seems like there is a win-win solution there, somewhere, if we could just figure out what it is. Hmmmm. Still thinking...

Posted by: special_guest at January 2, 2009 5:27 PM

"We want death just as much as you desire life.

This you see, is just so much blah, blah, for public consumption. If they really loved death they would bring it upon themselves in any way possible,
but they don't, they take the same type precautions to stay alive as other people.

There's lots of busy freeways in America and lots of tall buildings to jump off of. Well maybe jumping off a building would be prohibited by Sharia, (suicide), but accidentally getting killed playing freeway hockey might be ok with Allah.

They love death is a bunch of crap...offer a Mohammadan a can of gas and some matches, to do himself in, and watch his reaction, he will put the gas in his car and light his hooka with the matches.

None of them want to get to Paradise, that bad...

Posted by: duh_swami at January 2, 2009 5:36 PM

Mr Spencer

may I suggest a change to the headline which you provided?

It should read: "Gazan Arab Jihadists boast of using civilians as human shields".

Or, perhaps, "Gazan Arab Muslims boast of using civilians as human shields".

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 2, 2009 5:54 PM

Hugh,

I don't find anything different about the clips from "Egyptian Clerics Intensify Antisemitic Rants against the Backdrop of the Gaza Fighting" than what usually appears on Muslim broadcasts, including--especially--from the mouths of Muslim clerics.

My concern about sending these clips to ignorant infidels is that I expect the following reaction: "Well, Arabs are being killed and so emotions run high. People often demonize the enemy during a time of war. They see Israel with a powerful army firing on defenseless citizens. Of course we know there are many terrorists in Gaza, but the Arabs only see a very biased version of events in their media."

I think it makes a more powerful statement to send clips of Muslim clerics and genocidal Arab TV broadcasts from a time when Israel was not acting in self-defense, but rather when the Jews were "taking risks for peace" and enacting "confidence building measures" and doing the rest of what the international community hypocritically calls on them to do. This shows that no matter what Israel does, the jihad--because of the attitudes and texts that encourage it--continues regardless.

Posted by: 4infidels at January 2, 2009 6:42 PM

Good point, 4infidels.

Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 2, 2009 6:55 PM

Well, I was taken with the sheer cwaziness of the Egyptian clerics and did not give a thought to anyone actually grasping at an attempt to somehow explain, much less excuse, such behavior as in the realm of the rational, as Western non-Muslim man understands that notion.

Posted by: Hugh at January 2, 2009 7:31 PM

Anyone else see the irony in this statement in a story posted on theaustralian.news.com's site?

'The day before a powerful blast sent his headless body flying out of his Gaza home on Thursday, senior Hamas leader Nizar Rayan predicted the Islamist movement would defeat Israel.'

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24866268-15084,00.html

Priceless.

Posted by: Vee at January 2, 2009 7:40 PM

This is the version in English:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0wJXf2nt4Y

Posted by: Ronald at January 2, 2009 7:42 PM

Hugh,

Nothing surprises me about how people justify hatred, murder and terrorism when it takes place against Israelis or occurs in support of the "Palestinian cause."

There is a whole generation that has been raised on diversity, multiculturalism and the sins of America and the West that has included Islam and "Palestine" in the protected class, but Jews only worthy of defending should they face hatred from right-wing white supremacists and "Christian fundamentalists."

I showed an educated person once a bunch of the most hateful sermons and genocidal indoctrination in children's programming from various Arab and Iranian TV. The viewer (who wasn't unsympathetic to the plight of the Jews or I wouldn't have wasted my time) responded, "So if I looked at Israeli TV, I guess I would see the same attitudes."

I guess it is only natural to think that if you've been told over and over that the continuation of the conflict is the "fault of extremists on both sides"; that "hatred leads to more hatred"--so naturally if Jews are hated, they must act hatefully toward Palestinians (remember Palestinian hatred of Jews must come from some "injustice" committed by the Israelis as, you know, it isn't natural to hate--and certainly "no religion would teach such a thing"; that the "vast majority on both sides both yearn for peace."

From years of reading the NY Times, the Economist, listening to NPR and being lectured by radical professors, this is what many have concluded.

Posted by: 4infidels at January 2, 2009 8:11 PM

"So there's the Canting Style, and the Ranting Style. And that's about it."

But you've forgotten the . . . dancing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTP61_9Acc

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at January 2, 2009 8:23 PM

Thank you for that link. I saw al-Hakim a year or two ago, not set to music, then lost the link, and was hoping to see that unforgettable scene again.

Posted by: Hugh at January 2, 2009 8:46 PM

Once you find out it's tagged "Muslim Rave Party," you never lose the link again. :)

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at January 2, 2009 10:36 PM

Marwan'sDaughter,

Yes, thanks for the link--I had forgotten all about that incident (whatever it actually was).

Did it look to anyone else like the guy in on the floor, to the right of the throne, was encouraging everyone else to start slapping the tops of their heads (monkey see, monkey do)?

I don't understand why such an insane bunch of self destructive morons haven't killed themselves and each other off, after the first millennium A.D..

Posted by: Stormwarning at January 2, 2009 10:44 PM

Walterc,
Glad you didn't mind, and you're most welcome.

PG,
It will be the frank, brutal, inescapable onslaught of such fanatics, emboldened beyond any kind of restraint possible from the normal law and policy measures existing in the West, which will see the beginning of the unravelling of PC.

This reminds me of what Uri Bezmenov said about those who were/are falling for the communist ideal. He said (paraphrased) liberals will wake up one day to find that those communists who preached unity and brotherhood are pointing a gun at their head because they were "useful idiots". I hope you are right about the unraveling.

Sadly, your friend might still declare himself a pacifist and let you do all the work.

I think you are right there. I don't mind doing some work while others rest, but refusing to know is like selling the soul...I don't get it. And I'm still looking for my niche!

Thanks for the response.

Posted by: Toward the Right at January 2, 2009 11:35 PM

The same video from the post, but with English subtitles:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTu-AUE9ycs

Posted by: johnsawyer at January 3, 2009 10:15 AM