Oh my, they Ben Laden a Jew.
Benjamin Laden with happiness and tears.

What will they think of next?

Posted by: Pamela Geller at January 3, 2009 8:32 PM

aladamit, I can't read the rest of the sign in the last pic, but my guess is it says/reads, Ben Laden is Baby Finger of George Soros.

Posted by: song_and_dance_man at January 3, 2009 8:53 PM

When I hear crowds shouting "Allah Akbar" ... it is akin to hearing "Heil Hitler"! The same specter of totalitarianism and genocide rings in the air, give the global abuse of Christians, Jews, Hindus, Bahais, Buddhists (Thailand), and anyone else who does not submit to the Islamic worldview.

Good job getting photos. Some video would be nice too. If I were in Toronto, I would have pretended to be part of a university group and video taped what people said to questions like this, "If Israel should not exist, what should the Jews who live there do?" "Given what's happening in Israel, do you think Iran would have the right to use nuclear weapons." I suspect that with some opening questions like that, you'd quickly shed light on the murderous anti-Judaic underpinnings of the Muslims and their socialist lackeys.

Be clever. Get the bastards to expose themselves on video. Post it on youtube.com. Let people know what these totalitarians are all about.

People are getting the message. I've been reading the Canadaian government news web site www.cbc.ca and noticed that the pro-Israel postings are starting to surpass the socialist stuff. The CBC is generally a left wing news organization, so this is a positive sign.

Posted by: James Martel at January 3, 2009 8:55 PM

The second pic is also interesting. The first 3 things one reads from top left down is Avenue Rd. then Darkness is Coming, then a flag of Che and finally boycott.

Now that is one fine pic and well chosen.

This is like a reality Doo Daa Parade with everyday loonigans.

Posted by: song_and_dance_man at January 3, 2009 8:58 PM

Islam + Far Left = Anti-Civilization.

P.S. Che Guevara was a murderous psychopath. All those who enjoy Western freedom and exhibit a likeness of him are both parasitical and clueless.

Posted by: Wellington at January 3, 2009 9:01 PM

Baby finger??? Huh?, and double huh?..Huh-huh?...

Isn't that a candy bar?

I thought Che was dead...Why wave his flag?

There is something weird about waving a flag with a dead guys picture on it. I know it's done all the time, but it's still weird.

Posted by: duh_swami at January 3, 2009 9:05 PM

Our bike cops (those guys in yellow) are so goofy looking.

Posted by: heatsketch at January 3, 2009 9:16 PM

Doubt anyone needs translating of 'alahu akbar' these days . . . but there are other chants that should not go unnoticed at these pro-Hamas demonstrations:

From Zombie at LGF:

earlier San Francisco Gaza protest on December 30, the Palestinian protesters (according to this post at the "At the Back of the Hill" blog) chanted the following slogans in Arabic:

"Itbach al Yahud" (slaughter the Jews)
"Falastin balad'na w'al Yahud qalab'na" (Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs)
"ba ruh, ba dam, nafdeek ya Falastin" (with our soul, with our blood, we will cleanse you oh Palestine),
"al mawt al Yahud" (death to the Jews),
"Khaybar Khaybar ya Yahud, jaish-Muhammad saya'ud" (Khaybar Khaybar oh Jews, the army of Muhammad will return).

At the Back of the Hill noted,

While the Arabs screamed their desire to exterminate Jews, the English-monolingualists simply stood there happily smiling their approbation.

Posted by: miira at January 3, 2009 9:18 PM

I would assume that any use of the word
Yahud, by Mohammadans, is a threat or insult...

Posted by: duh_swami at January 3, 2009 9:26 PM

Why can't these Muslims learn to assimilate and become Canadian?It was such a beautiful winter day here in Toronto today. Clear blue skies, crisp cold air. A perfect day to learn how to skate, ski, play hockey, build a snow man with your kids. Rather, these people would rather stand on a street corner and shout "Allah Akbur" as if they were in the streets of Beirut or Tehran. Its disgusting, we let them into our beautiful country out of the goodness of our hearts and this is how they repay us? By violently protesting against a nation that is a close ally of Canada that is simply trying to defend itself against rocket attacks. Why are they here, why are they doing this to our country?

Its one thing to see the Muslims on the streets of Paris or London, its another to see them on the streets you grew up on. I'm in my mid-30's. When I was a kid, these people were not around. Just friendly, low key Canadians. This is the benefit of multiculturalism? Can anything be done? Its only going to get worse. I feeling like crying sometimes.

Posted by: TorontoProud at January 3, 2009 9:45 PM

I am a Canadian and have been paying close attention to the various media reports. Fortunately, some media are now beginning to discuss the Israel HAMAS conflict in more depth and interview others than exclusively 'OUTRAGED INNOCENT MUSLIM SYMPATHIZERS'. Similar trends happening down there Southern Brethren? Hope so.

Posted by: Nick.C at January 3, 2009 9:45 PM

My favorite answer to the Che t-shirt:

Viva la Evolución

Posted by: MarisolJW at January 3, 2009 9:48 PM

Australia’s Greens: “We helped create ‘War on Terror’, we must resettle Gitmo Jihadists”

http://sheikyermami.com/2009/01/04/australias-greens-we-helped-create-war-on-terror-we-must-resettle-gitmo-jihadists/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 3, 2009 9:53 PM

Che and Jihad in Toronto
...................

No surprise here. "International A.N.S.W.E.R.", although they claim to be simply against war and racism, is a well-known Communist front group. They have been one of the biggest organizers behind many anti-war rallies, although they tend to keep a fairly low profile.

One of the most horrifying things about Che Guevara--besides, of course, how ubiquitous his image is on t-shirts of college-age kids--is his reference to "the dictatorship of the wall".

An obvious reference to the vapid Communist slogan, "the dictatorship of the proletariat", the "dictatorship of the wall" referred to his habit, during the Cuban Revolution, of lining suspected "enemies of the revolution" up against the wall and having them shot--without even a hearing in a kangaroo "revolutionary court". This is what this "hero" was really like.

Usually, one does not hope for ignorance and a shallow fashion-sense, but I do here--I hope most of the people with Che posters and Che t-shirts have never bothered to really find out who's image they are wearing emblazoned across their chests. I hope they just consider that image of Che kind of cool or transgressive, and that they do not actually share his horrifying philosophy and goals.

Also disturbing is the widespread "Obama as Che"--images of Barack Obama in the same pose as Che, or with a "posterized" image, or with pictures of the iconic Che superimposed over the Obama logo, etc. This is probably the most famous image, although it is not as explicit as some:

http://dreamdogsart.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/05/19/obama_hope_poster_fairey.jpg

Posted by: gravenimage at January 3, 2009 9:54 PM

Its one thing to see the Muslims on the streets of Paris or London, its another to see them on the streets you grew up on. I'm in my mid-30's. When I was a kid, these people were not around. Just friendly, low key Canadians."

Friendly .low key French it was also like this a few years ago in Paris.
Now , they are all over , bringing destruction and riots all over France.
Do you want to avoid this in Canada. ?

You must educate people one at the time about the real purpose of Islam and the ways it uses to achieve its goal.

I remember my visit in Canada in the summer of 2002 . The Canadian television was making fun of the Americans, accusing them of becoming obsessed and unfair with Muslims.
Canada did not even had a clue that a lot of those extremists were educated and living in their own backyards.

It is time for Canada to start raising pigs and let them run free in the streets of Toronto
Pigs are a very good deterant

Posted by: Tartine at January 3, 2009 10:00 PM

Just finished watching the Fox News special on the son of the Hamas leader who converted to Christianity and fled to the US. It was very good. As usual, there's nothng quite so powerful as the disillusioned Muslim. This Hassan guy sounds like Ali Sina!
BTW, I think Faith Freedom Int'l got hacked.

Posted by: jewdog at January 3, 2009 10:08 PM

I am a proud Canadian and what I see here distresses me. I know I've mentioned it on this site here before but I took my kids to a local play center a couple of years ago called "Crash Crawlys" in BC; I was astounded to see that my friend, myself and our kids were the only non-Muslim's in this place. Women wearing hijabs and even full burqa's were all over the place and rugs were laid out in a couple of places where they took turns kneeling and praying. My buddy and I just started laughing but after we got over our amusement and watched a couple of young Muslim girls jump out of the train there because my then 3 year old son sat with them started to really piss me off.

I saw the looks of bewilderment that a couple of kafur's joined the circus and stuck around. Personally I still can't believe that I had that experience here, but it's obvious by what I observe there's way more to come.

On a separate note I belong to a union and have to say that being part of a union is something you don't have a choice about when you find work. Many of my so called union brothers and sisters are your stereotypical leftist goof balls that are clueless about the real world, but I can also tell you that that there's far more normal common sense right wing types in there than one would expect. It does lead to some good arguments at work but what the hell. Anyhow I always love pointing out to my lefty co-workers that their symbol Che is nothing short of an announcement about their ignorance of fact and who this stone cold killer was in real life.

Good luck to us all, I think that these type of events in Toronto are actually helping the real freedom lovers of the world, slowly but surely people are starting to wake up and see that this is in their own backyard as well.

Posted by: the Fanatic at January 3, 2009 10:10 PM

"I'm in my mid-30's. When I was a kid, these people were not around. Just friendly, low key Canadians. This is the benefit of multiculturalism? Can anything be done? Its only going to get worse. I feeling like crying sometimes."

Posted by: TorontoProud

TorontoProud, I share your pain. Whatever happened to the Canada of Bobby and Dougie, the MacKenzie brothers? Your politicians have certainly sold you down the river.
What can be done? First vote out treasonous politicos who got you into this mess. Then halt all further Moslem immigration. Then cancel the residency permits of all non-citizen Moslems, and deport them. Then enforce the laws against aiding and abetting and inciting violence and terrorism. This last would involve, among other things, thorough audits of the books of all mosques and Islamic "charitable" organizations; regular inspections of mosques and "Islamic centers" for explosives, weapons, and genocidal books, pamphlets, and videos; and thorough background checks of all Moslems in public employment. To be accompanied by lengthy prison terms for all those found guilty of any infractions. Also, you might re-institute the military draft -- those who flee the country to avoid it would have their citizenship cancelled, and no right to return. And require long-term residence, and gainful employment -- say at least five years -- before one is eligible for any welfare benefits.
All this will be difficult, certainly. But it's the future of your country at stake.
Also, if you're not married, get married, and have lots of kids.
Canadians made great efforts on behalf of freedom and justice in the 20th c. and it would be a shame for them to throw it all away in the 21st.

Posted by: ebonystone at January 3, 2009 10:30 PM

jewdog -- I watched the same program on Fox, "Escape From Hamas", and it was very moving:
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3401794&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474664,00.html

Posted by: champ at January 3, 2009 10:32 PM

'Its one thing to see the Muslims on the streets of Paris or London, its another to see them on the streets you grew up on. I'm in my mid-30's. When I was a kid, these people were not around. Just friendly, low key Canadians. This is the benefit of multiculturalism?'

I hate to sound harsh, TorontoProud, but you need to make the connection between the increase of Muslims in Europe with what you are now seeing in Canada (and we here in the US are, too). Yes, most emphatically it's a result of the multiculturist ethos. And it won't be stopping soon.

Too often, many let a false sense of distance lull them into thinking "it can't happen here". Well, it can and it is.

After a good cry, pull yourself up and first, educate yourself about Islam, and then, act in whatever capacity you can to educate and inform others. Play whatever role you can in helping to thwart the PC blind acceptance of Muslims and their creed.

Posted by: Vee at January 3, 2009 10:54 PM

"Just finished watching the Fox News special on the son of the Hamas leader who converted to Christianity and fled to the US." Posted by: jewdog

Yes, and he said anyone who reads the Koran and follows it is sick and needs help.

Posted by: Sounder at January 3, 2009 10:55 PM

I made it to the jidahi rally here in Vancouver, Canada, and there I met three others one of whom I knew only from the Internet. Together, holding Israeli flags, we faced down about 300 jihadis and their idiot dhimmi cheer-leaders. We did 'em in: they all marched off in a huff while we stood there with our flags unfurled and blowing in the snow.

I love this. Fighting for freedom is so much fun!

Grabbed some copy from the main page and, thank you very much, posted it at my shared blog, Covenant Zone. Will cover my own time in Van. at a later hour. Am looking forward to meeting friends at the pro-Israel rally up-coming.

Regards, Dag.

Posted by: dag at January 3, 2009 11:23 PM

I think Josephine was in the "Second Cup" coffee shop which was right next to the Consulate.

A few protestors (Jihadists) came up to ask me to join them, I refused with the response that I do not support pro-terrorist groups, to which I got some nasty looks, my friends told me to change locations, so we went onto the south side of Bloor Street where the Jihadists were screaming their hate to see what we could hear among the crowd. There were people calling for the genocide of the Jews, another holocaust, others were calling for the Muslims to unite against the non-muslim world, basically I could go on but lets leave it at "They want Canada to become an Islamic state".

We then decided to go inside the building and visit some friends who work in the same building as the consulate, of course some Jewish supporters gave me some bad looks but I couldn't blame them considering the situation and the fact that I didn't shave today made me look like one fo those blood-thirsty Jihadists. Security stopped us, we got clearence and went inside. Our friends have told us that everyday they have to come to work its frightening, as if Toronto has been trasnformed into, as our friend "R." put it, "Jihad central".

FYI, since there are many international students in the building, there is a makeshift Muslim prayer space in that building which I have mentioned a couple of years ago on JW and the fact that there are a lot of anti-Israeli/Anti-West/Anti-everything individuals who frequent this building a lot, many of whom have already received their visas and are already in the United States.

-A.G.

Posted by: Gorkhali at January 3, 2009 11:23 PM

When I hear crowds shouting "Allah Akbar" ... it is akin to hearing "Heil Hitler"!

Funny, I always think of trats getting cut, since they always scream that when they cut someone's throat. Whenever I see any crowd of Muslims they're invariably hysterical and always remind me of the Nazi rally footage of the 1940's. Carl Jung described that atmosphere of evil, hysteria, and abdication of all personal responsibility and capacity for independent thought as "Islamic."

I am really sick and tired of hearing that police can't guarantee the safety of the very people whose job it is to protect, whose tax dollars pay their salaries. Meanwhile, the parasitic, welfare-scamming, terrorism-funding, criminals and their seditious leftist cohorts are safe and sound. Even more distressing, in Canada people can't even protect themselves. The police told Josephine to bend over and crawl home or get killed by a bunch of psychos.

When the police can't or won't protect taxpayers because they're too scared of or overpowered by parasitic, bloodthirsty cult members, you live in a state that has failed due to corruption, or in Canada's case, the sheer stupidity of is own populace, which of course only happens when the educational system fails, which of course only happens due to corruption.

Posted by: jdamn at January 3, 2009 11:31 PM

Why can't these Muslims learn to assimilate and become Canadian?

Because Muslims demand that Canadians assimilate to their way.....the Islamic way.

Cant wait to see the video....

Posted by: Deus_Vult! at January 3, 2009 11:34 PM

Our conduct and values in the west now is a complete inversion from the days when I was a child.

The left in Canada spout loudly, and fanatically about anyone who even writes his/her opinion in a blog or comment or newspaper that sheds any inconvenient light whatsoever, or any disparaging remark upon 'identifiable' groups (meaning minorities, Palestinians included). The left will take, and do take, such opinionators, also publishers, before the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) or other Provincial HRCs, for hate crimes and (in)justice is duly handed out where truth is no defense, where they don't even know their accusers, while their pockets are emptied due to legal costs and their views are prohibited from ever being said or written again (even in private emails).

We are taught that such attitudes and instruments of state are 'progressive' in all in the name of 'social justice', 'secularism', 'multiculturalism' and human rights.

So what is the 'secular', 'progressive', 'Human Rights Activist' left doing today? ...

Well, they're marching with terrorists and terrorist supporters in the streets of Canada and other numerous countries, who shout 'death to Jews', 'death to Israel', 'Islam will rule the world', 'Allah Akbar!', carrying signs graphically encouraging genocide, 'free Palestine' (=terrorists-same thing), lending support and adoration to terrorism and jihad and accosting those holding signs of opposite (that means nonconforming) views and all recorded by the clueless Media. And God help anyone who should try to defend themselves. They don't want to hear about any of it. (just ask Israel)

It's the very antithesis of what they claim they stand for.

Things are inverted. Good is bad. Evil is good. Human rights means you can fire stuff at a larger group with impunity as long as you are the smaller group. The larger group is Satan. Our own citizens condone all this.

Where to from here? Perhaps Armageddon is indeed a real possibility.

Posted by: Sounder at January 3, 2009 11:36 PM

I'm Canadian also, from Ottawa, and would like to see the video.

Posted by: BeBlessed at January 3, 2009 11:40 PM

Robert - Thank you for publishing my report! We are having a bit of trouble with compressing the video while maintaining the quality, so we are going to bed now and will continue working on it in the morning. (By "we" I mean my husband, LOL.) I will send you the link when it's up.

A.G. - Yes, you guessed it! We were in The Second Cup.

Posted by: Josephine at January 3, 2009 11:58 PM

This is exactly what i tried to warn people about when we saw Hezballah flag on our Streets in the summer of 2006 .
The Canadian Arab Federation (CAF) had justified the "Peace Marches" in canada and made a claim right on a Radio show the 90% of the Lebanese and Arabs in canada support hezballah .

What's pretty sad is that 2 of the Liberal M.P.'s in our Parliament now have ties to Hezballah by not condemning them and taking part in the 2006 march.
Canada's leader of the Liberal party was a Prof in the USA and has been out of the Country for about 28 years , he originally opined on Lebanon back in 2006 that he wouldn't lose sleep over the Hezballah deaths from them inciting the violence with rockets.
But he quickly saw the Muslim wrath in canada and feared the "R" word (racist) , he then took sides with Hezballah as the Victims of excessive force by israel.
But the Liberal leader in canada also brought into his management Team the Quebec M.P. that Marched with Hezballah flags waving back in 2006.

I only hope Obama takes a good look at these violent thugs in canada and the Pro-Jihad threats
to the USA because the CAW,CUPE,OPSUE and Teachers Unions have all backed these Protests just to show their Anti-USA/Israel hatred hear in the west.
Even after 9/11/01 our very own P.M. (Chretien) claimed the USA deserved it for their wealth and waste while others starve and suffer , then the Liberal M.P. (Carolyn Parrish) in the Muslim/Arab Riding kept bashing Americans as slack-jawed idiots for Electing a Moron from Texas.

Obama hinted at a Canada pull-out for GM and Chrysler if they want the 14 Billion, now it looks like the Palestinian thugs in canada are sending a clear message that Jihad and terrorism is real in the west and that American Business aren't safe anymore.
Nobody paid attention when I pointed out that the Muslim populations were concentrated near the US border town which give the perfect launching spot for rockets in the USA while using canadians as shields . Toronto,Windsor,Ft.Erie,Niagara falls Vancouver, Montreal, Hamilton, and others have been the 1st choice for Bogus refugees smuggled into canada from the USA and around the World by sea .

Obama has every right to tell the Liberal Elite snobs in canada to Go To Hell with your failed Multiculturalism and creeping-Shariah law .
And if this means giving the axe to GM and Chrysler in canada to save American jobs...then the Leftists idiots only have themselves to blame for all those years the Unions like the CAW stayed mute when their UAW Brothers were called Morons and idiots by Canadian Politicians , plus the CAW did squat when M.P. Parrish kept bashing their President of the USA.

Canadians are still in shock about the truth that came out recently that CAW member do make $74.00 an hour once the benefits and pensions are included , the CAW had denied it as propaganda from Union haters .
Basically, $74.00 an hour to assemble American cars while they bash Americans and endorse the Jew-hating Muslims in canada.

Pull the plug now befor Hamas and Hezballah start bombing US Auto Plants in canada with their sleeper-cells waiting for their orders via Al-Jeezara satellite TV channel.

BUY AMERICAN
BYE JIHAD

Posted by: ala-sux at January 4, 2009 12:02 AM

Please watch this video about Hamas and forward it ASAP:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8

Posted by: IsraelsFriend at January 4, 2009 12:03 AM

@ Josephine: Tha is so wild that we must have passed each other in the Second Cup because we were there getting something hot to drink cause it was so damn cold.

If you heard a "middle-Eastern" looking guy, not that I am or look remotely middle-eastern, saying "This is so f***ed up" in the Second Cup, that was me, while my friends were telling me to keep hush up.

- Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at January 4, 2009 12:09 AM

Islam MUST be destroyed, utterly! There is no reasonable alternative.

Posted by: awake at January 4, 2009 12:26 AM

Just a reminder from the December 30th
post on JW , I just heard about a 7.0+ quake
for Indonesia which may be Alah's wrath against them with a huge Tsunami again and keep in mind that these Muslims are now pro-hamas and have spewed their hatred in the streets for all to see.

Below is my post in original form.
************************************************

Keep this pictured posted on your fridge so that the next time a Tsunami hits these murderous thugs as Allah's punishment, you can mail them .25 cents to phone someone that gives a $hit.

We just had the 3rd anniversary of the Tsunami that killed about 230'000 people , Imams claimed in was Allah's will, and the Somali's wondered why little attention was given to them when the tsunami finally hit their coast.

Gee.......do you think that maybe worshipping a murderous pedophile that tells you to slaughter jews had any link to the 5 billion non-Muslims that watched you reap what you sowed.
There was evidence that much of the Tsunami Donations actually went into building madrassas to indoctrine the Orphans , but the Jihadists spin called them "Schools" while they never told the whole story of Blackmail to accept islam and Jihad to be enrolled in the Orphan Madrassas.

Posted by: ala-sux at December 30, 2008 4:58 PM

Posted by: ala-sux at January 4, 2009 12:31 AM

moslem marching in toronto supporting jihad ? great..

i invite you to come to my country, to see how your country will look like, when moslems become majority.

Posted by: dhimmy at January 4, 2009 12:38 AM

The Hamas leader's son said that Islam will be over and done with in 10 years. I don't share his optimism. As long as Islam has non-Muslims to parasitize, Islam will continue. Muslims have nothing to lose. That doesn't stop Islam. It has to literally poison itself until it dies and that will never happen until we cut it off and isolate it.

Also, Fox broadcast in huge letters "Whoever leaves his religion, kill him." I wrote them a thank you note. Safety for apostates should be a huge political priority. Deporting and imprisoning people who harass or threaten apostates is a great way to clean house and to encourage snitching. It could also level the playing field, since Muslims get away with murder. Apostates can't be accused of "racism" for telling law enforcement about Islamic evil. I like to think that if legislation like this were implemented then the same people who make my life difficult could be taken out, since we're clearly not equal in the eyes of the law.

Posted by: jdamn at January 4, 2009 12:38 AM

Great report Josephine, and i am eager to see the video. I am glad you made it out safely. A few years from now, it might be a little different.

I was a CUPE member for 8 years, and if i had my druthers, i would've fired 40% right off the top. Unions protect the lazy and incompetent.

Anyways, we are supposed to be waging an ideological war, and this is a war we are losing badly. Think of it as advertising. Are we advertising effectively? The Dhimmi MSM (CNN, helloo!!!) is a new weapon and viable recruiting tool for jihad. It might be as effective as the Qur'an itself.

What is needed is a good old fashioned debate where the facts are vetted from the fiction. Only then will Islam and the whole rotten structure come crashing down. It is not a sustainable ideology, but it will need some infidel momentum to hasten its descent.

Posted by: Sir Oinks Alot at January 4, 2009 12:53 AM

Check out these new pictures from Toronto .
YES....those are Hezballah Flag and that is a Swastika on a anti-Israel poster .

Toronto's weak and gutless Mayor refuses to order the Police to enforce canada's laws , Hezballah and Hams are banned terror groups in canada and yet Miller Police force does nothing nor do they alert the RCMP of a Terrorist-friendly mob promoting mass slaughter of non-Muslims.
For you canadians , keep an eye out for the Liberal M.P. Dennis Codierre because he joined the murderous thugs back in 2006 in Montreal.

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/010416.html

BTW, don't be that shocked by Toronto's police Chief being a puppet of the Socialists mayor in Toronto, Miller take part in the Prdie parade every year where naked men flaunt their penis to little boys on the parade route while the Police acyually provide Security to keep those pesky Catholics away .
I'm not sure if the Police are worried that there will be gay-bashing by Christians or that the Catholics might be moving in on the Homosexual-pedophiles right to abuse children in public.
This is public knowledge folks because Mayor Miller, Olivia Chow, and jack Layton endorse this quasi-pedophilia by naked men enjoying exposing themselves to little boys.

Posted by: ala-sux at January 4, 2009 12:58 AM

Dude, we're losing the propaganda war. Our ideology is airtight and theirs are (a) incompatible (lefties, ideology-less minorities who vote Democrat, and muzzies) and (b) indefensible.

Fortunately, most libtards actually grow up at some point.

Posted by: jdamn at January 4, 2009 12:58 AM

Sounder -- he also said that "Islam is a drug", which I completely agree with. His testimony was awesome.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 1:09 AM

The Scotsman calls “Death to Israel” chants “World unites in protests”

http://sheikyermami.com/2009/01/04/the-scotsman-calls-death-to-israel-chants-world-unites-in-protests/

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 4, 2009 1:14 AM

Isn't it about time the government of Canada actually take some charge of the situation. These jihadi fags are now running amok on the streets of Toronto. They are openly racist, facist and they are probably sleeper cells. The government reallly ought to ban such silly protest marches by these palestinian terrorist sympathizers. These protesters will protest when some unknown terrorist dies in Gaza but they will not protest when one of their own 'Canadian' citizens dies in terrorist attacks in another part of the world, e.g. Mumbai. Why dont they bring pressure on the Canadian government to do something about Pakistan? Why are they obsessed over palestinians? Is it because Palestinians are acutally their own citizens and Canadians are simply infidels who should be killed.

I support Israel. Bomb the s--t out of the Palestinian terrorists. Bomb them and then go to India and try and help them destroy Pakistan and its people once and for all.

Posted by: Christopher at January 4, 2009 1:33 AM

Here's a relative comparison; Say you live in one of the various European or North American cities. It could be; London, Seattle, New Mexico, Paris,or Berlin. Your neighbors start rocketing your city. New York hit by Canada. The U.S. government responds with... Thats right, military force as we would expect them to. Canada's response,"Why did you invade us?". U.S. response,"To protect our civilans. Why did you murder our civilians?" Canadian response,"For Allah says you don't have the right to exist".

Posted by: Toni at January 4, 2009 1:38 AM

@Christopher: You will never see them protest against Pakistan or the Mumbai attack because its all a part of their Jihadi agenda. Because they know they are going to get an ass whooping from Israel, thats why they are throwing a Jihadi tantrum on the streets.

The amount of racist, genocidal statements that were being said today were too many to count. As I walked among them, I felt like a Sikh refugee escaping Pakistan in 1947, walking among blood thristy Jihadists, not letting them know my identity but observing their every action. To be honest, it was truly frightening.

Sleeper cells? Yes there are and many of them, and if you know the GTA you'll know exactly where many of them are located. The confusing thing is that many of them have no problem showing their hatred for others.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at January 4, 2009 1:44 AM

Ayo Gorkhali,

just sayin' hello...

Posted by: sheik yer'mami at January 4, 2009 2:30 AM

@ Sheik yer'mami:

Its been a long time my old friend. Hope you are well.

Too bad we weren't hanging out together to watch this crazy display of Jihadifest 2009.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at January 4, 2009 2:42 AM

This from San Francisco (yes, I should have been there, and hadn't been following things closely enough to hear about the protest). Please note, the article's headline on sfgate is "Hundreds in S.F. again protest Israeli bombings"--but the headline in the Chronicle read "Hundreds again protest Israel."

Here's a link:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/01/03/BA3B15353M.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea

In many ways, the most disturbing passage is near the end:

"The demonstrators remained peaceful until around 5 p.m., when a small group carrying Israel flags gathered across from the consulate. Suddenly, anti-Israel protesters screamed, "Murderers!" and tried to push them.

Police hustled the pro-Israeli group into the nearest open building."

That is, the *police* prevented the small anti-Jihad group from being allowed to protest. They did not arrest anyone from the pro-Jihad demonstration for attacking the pro-Israel group.

Appalling. Sheik Yer'mami, on his site, also notes that the mob was shouting anti-semitic and genocidal slogans in Arabic. No coverage of this in the Chronicle.

Posted by: gravenimage at January 4, 2009 2:57 AM

what would you expect to say friendly thing about jews while jews are killing people of their religion, what would you say to a killer suppose killed someone close to you , would you say i love you , god protect you , you would say the same thing

Posted by: nose at January 4, 2009 3:23 AM

I strongly believe that a wave of anti-Semitic sentiment is rearing its ugly head in the West again, only this time it has the power of islam, politicians and the media behind it.

Today, for the first time since 1930s in a European capital, you can call for the death of Jews without the fear of law and be encouraged by the media and politicians when you call for a genocide.

I think people have lost their power of reason.

Under Hindu mythology, epochs are divided into segments: yugs (yuga). One such yug is Kal yug where people loose their power of reason, cannot distinguish between right or wrong, where a lie and falsehood is victorious over truth and justice and where the blood of innocents will spill like a river in torment.

We are in "Kal Yug".

Posted by: Hermit at January 4, 2009 3:55 AM

@Hermit:

You mean "Kali Yuga" bro, which translates to "The Dark Age".

Kal means Time
Kali means Dark/Black
And I think you mean to say Hindu religion/philosophy, not mythology, it has a very different connotation.

@Nose:

I guess they wouldn't have nice things to say to Jews since they are all a bunch of Islamic Terrorists. I didn't see you protest against the Mumbai attack since I guess you were celebrating with your Jihadi brothers.

With your reasoning I guess if someone was shooting rockets at your mama you would just cheer them on!

There are 1 billion Muslims and only 14 million Jews....who is threatening who????

And I don't see you protesting against the genocide or ethnic cleansing committed by Islam against other communities, so get a life.

-Ayo Gorkhali

Posted by: Gorkhali at January 4, 2009 4:07 AM

'I never thought this would ever happen in Canada. Feeling like Dorothy stuck in OZ, I said in disbelief to one of my companions: "We're in Canada. We're in Canada." ("You're not in Canada anymore, Jo.")'

This is the exact feeling I had Jo when I saw the demo in London. In fact I felt intimidated by it and angry at the same time. The old Labour stalwarts Tony Benn and George Galloway of the ultra-left were in the front row surrounded by mostly Muslims. It was horrible to watch. In fact it seemed more about organised Muslim power in the UK and the fact that they can produce these numbers on demand and in such ferocity. Islam has come a long way over the past year and I fear for our future. Like Jo I said we are not in England anymore.

Posted by: Tommo at January 4, 2009 4:19 AM

14 million jews protected by the american government aswell as the earopean countries, 14 million jews by the vito of america , here is the real threat

Posted by: nose at January 4, 2009 4:32 AM

Damn these bastards,Islamic pigs. Israiel must not get out till these thugs are burried deep. The westerners who are supporting the palestinians are not doing any good, once they finish off with the jews they will come for you.

This has noting to do with palestine/Israiel, Its a war of ISLAM against the civilised world. The whole ISLAMIC World is taking the side of the paleatinians/Hamas and as always the weatern/non- muslim world is divided. No one speaks about the 1000's of rockets that Hamas fired all these years randomly to kill any israili/jews. The response israil is giving is what it should have done years ago. Go and get as many rats as u can israil.
Europe, Australia, US and canada well after seeing the savages on your streets hope u do know what will happen one day to your beautiful countries if ISLAM will dominate.

Posted by: greaticon at January 4, 2009 4:41 AM

Watch for hijabis -- women in the choking-necked, ear-muffling, hair-greasing headbag -- in your area. If they are on the increase, you have a very active and persuasive imam in your community mosque(s).

Muslimahs are the canary in the coal mine. They are willing slaves obedient to the males of the Muslim community, and if they proliferate, history argues that Muslim male pack-violence will follow.

There's a difference, apparently, between what is being done in Europe and here in America. European and Australian males appear to be emasculated, so Muslim violence against women in those places is basically uncontrolled (rapes, beatings, kidnappings, etc.).

Muslim mass violence (as opposed to Islamic disciplinary family violence) in America is still limited to threats and posturing in political demonstrations. While it is simply a matter of time until a Muslim mob is whipped past the usual theatrical frenzy into attacking homes and especially schools, the local imams might be well aware that Americans are armed and willing to use weapons to defend their families. That may buy us some time.

Posted by: Marwan'sDaughter at January 4, 2009 5:15 AM

Ayo Gorkhali,
ISLAM has killed many civilizations are resposible for numerous genocides since its 1400 years existance. Even a rough estimate is 300 million lives were lost during all the wars with ISLAM during this period. Islam has never existed peacefully with other religions, and never intends to do so.They will never assimilate into any culture.
It has been growing violent by the day. It has been commiting ethnic cleansing of people who follow other religions where its in a majority. In the case of Darfur its the Black Moslems. Given a chance they will kill 1.4 million jews in one stroke and it has not been happening.Thats whats the Moslems are whining about. They cant do it as Israil is strong and allah has no clue what to do. This baggage of ISLAM is a nuisanse to the world and has to be dealt with as was done with the nazis. I hope the world phew non-moslem world is getting the message.

Posted by: greaticon at January 4, 2009 5:22 AM

Until last week, Israel-haters told us over and over and over and over again that they were not Jew-haters; what they hated was Zionism but had nothing against Jews in other parts of the world. Anti-Zionist Jews agreed vociferously.

I guess we owe thanks to the holders of those signs, who are proving that we were right all along. They've dropped the pretense. Leftists usually deny that they are antisemitic, and not just because so many leftists are Jewish but also because their publicly professed ideology is incompatible with such distinctions among peoples.

I therefore wonder what those leftists at the demonstrations think when they see the signs held by their fellow demonstrators calling for the mass killing of Jews. Have any of them questioned their alliance with the exterminationists?

Posted by: Aileen at January 4, 2009 6:12 AM

Canada is occupied territory

Posted by: johndoe at January 4, 2009 6:58 AM

The rest of ontario particular those like myself who live far from Toronto refer to it as "hog town", and when l go up north, l avoid Toronto by going through Mich. Toronto has become such sink hole, the stench from islamists has made that place intolerable to anyone who are the "real Canadians" and l means those that want a real democracy and are not facists. There was a fault line discovered beneath Toronto, and if it sank into lake Ontario it would make it a better place.

Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 4, 2009 7:12 AM

There are a couple of videos of the event posted on youtube. Type in "Toronto Protest" and then sort by "date added"

Posted by: TorontoProud at January 4, 2009 8:05 AM

Ayo Gorkhali - LOL, I was too busy watching the Second Cup staff who were standing at the door gawking; if I heard you, I don't remember.

Also, I spent a bit of time talking with two women at the back of the coffee shop (after I met Sid Ryan there). I gave them some background information on the conflict that they didn't have; they seemed genuinely interested and thanked me sincerely.

Then I sat at the front with another woman (from the rally) and quickly drank my coffee (I was concerned I might spill it on someone outside).

I was interviewed by Global-TV while in front of the Eaton Centre and one of my statements actually made it into the report. I was surprised that the reporter approached me. She asked why I was carrying both a Canadian and an Israeli flag and I had to think fast about what I wanted to say other than, "Well, DUH!".

Posted by: Josephine at January 4, 2009 8:24 AM

Sir Oinks Alot - Thank you. I, too, was a CUPE member for several years. When I was hired by the board of education, I asked if I could opt out of the union. I was told that the position was "a CUPE position" and therefore belonged to the union and there was no way to opt out. And yet when I really needed them, they were useless.

Tommo - You expressed it very well. I had the same feelings.

I was recently at the grocery store in my mostly Ukrainian neighbourhood and saw a young woman in full burqa. Yikes.

Posted by: Josephine at January 4, 2009 8:34 AM

Zena,

I don't miss Toronto one bit ( I worked there for 10 years) and I wish my daughter didn't live there, However, Toronto is not called "Hogtown" because it stinks of islamic immigrants.

The affectionate name of "Hogtown" was given to the city because it was at one time a centre of livestock production, mostly by the city's largest pork processor and packer, the William Davies Company.

Pity they still aren't processing pork. It might keep the muslims away.

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 4, 2009 8:46 AM

Here's some video from the Toronto Sun:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2009/01/04/7912666-sun.html#/news/2009/01/03/pf-7911166.html

Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 4, 2009 8:51 AM

Dag - That's great! I'm sure I'm not the only one who would enjoy reading the "point-by-point comparison" of Hamas that you and your friends handed out at the protest in Vancouver.

Posted by: Josephine at January 4, 2009 8:57 AM

Some of these chants are so interchangeable like most chants. for example the `bi rouh bi dem nufdeek..' chant suited Saddam Hussein better than anyone else because it rhymed perfectly in Arabic(Bi Rouh Bi Damm Nufdeek ya Saddam')

The one I liked best was about the late Hafez Al Assad of Syria. It was coined by Sunni Lebanese who hated him for his support of their foes, the Shias.

The chant went some thing like this `Assad Assad Fi Lebanon; arnab arnab fi Golan'("Lion lion in Lebanon, rabbit rabbit in Golan"). It is referring to the fact he was the Army chief when Israel captured Golan from syria so easily in 1967.

Posted by: Gorgi at January 4, 2009 8:58 AM

Re. the photos above by Chatillon: You can see the "baby finger" sign in my video. It says, "Ben Laden is baby finger of Israelies."

Is that some kind of Middle Eastern insult? "I raise my baby finger in your general direction."

Posted by: Josephine at January 4, 2009 9:21 AM

"14 million jews by the vito of america , here is the real threat"

Posted by: nose

No wonder America is in such sad shape, with all those Jews near our vito.
I'm preparing a banner for the next protest march, reading "Keep the Jews away from the American vito."

Posted by: ebonystone at January 4, 2009 9:51 AM

It looks like "nose" has metastasized. S/he was spewing vileness on another thread but has now shown up here, as well. It's gonna be a long day, nose, trying to keep up with all these threads. Hope your stamina holds out.

Posted by: Eastview at January 4, 2009 11:40 AM

ISRAEL + AMERICA = FREEDOM, LOVE & PROSPERITY

HAMAS + ISLAM = SUBMISSION, HATRED & POVERTY

Posted by: Rafa at January 4, 2009 2:40 PM

The organization evident in this demonstration, and the coordination of such events around the world, lead inescapably to the conclusion that the jihadis are practicing their own form of "shock and awe" in the propaganda war.

Well by now I'm not shocked and i certainly wasn't awed or uplifted by this little party. But I did get plenty snarly, somewhat along the lines of what Gorkhali said earlier.

Posted by: Chatillon at January 4, 2009 2:48 PM

Troll & Liar Alert:

nose -- I'm touching my Israeli flag that's proudly displayed on my desk in my home office and thinking of you and your above comment. I'm also praying that God would convict you of your lies and hate propoganda concerning Israel and the Jews; lies that are not only being evidenced here on this thread, but the ones you made on a previous thread, so some of us already know where your lies are headed.

Posted by: champ at January 4, 2009 3:20 PM

Nose, my questions aren't going away. Answer them or admit that you're wrong, which we know you are, since you have yet to be right about any claim you've made in here thus far and have yet to refute any of ours.

a god is one who does not need anybody and does not need place or time ,does not need comfort because he does not tire , does not need a son, he is all aware of all things he created every bit of atoms and sub atoms , he is all powerful , he have all knowledge. he is perfect and perfect means he does not need anyone including a son

So why is your god so insecure that he needs constant blood, female genital mutilation, endless self-degradation, mindless, cultish prayers five times a day which force people to contract foot fungus on their hands and faces, to never be compared to anything (shirk), to never be insulted, and for you to say that he is the greatest whenever you slit a throat?

As for your rant about God not having a son, you're just dense. The Christian God is one: the father, the son, and the holy spirit, but just one, just as God is in everything. God is in a flower. God is in water. God has many sons and daughters, but his very flesh was Jesus.

Besides, Allah had daughters once upon a time. This is unarguable.

"The Quran (22.52/I) implies that on at least one occasion ‘Satan had interposed’ something in the revelation Muhammad received, and this probably refers to the incident to be described. The story is that, while Muhammad was hoping for some accommodation with the great merchants, he received a revelation mentioning the goddesses al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat (53.19), 20 as now found), but continuing with other two (or three) verses sanctioning intercession to these deities. At some later date Muhammad received a further revelation abrogating the latter verses, but retaining the names of the goddesses, and saying it was unfair that God should have only daughters while human beings had sons." (The Cambridge History of Islam, Vol. I, ed. P.M. Holt, 1970, p 37).

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm

If Allah had daughters why can't God have a son?

"Give me a rule in Islam that leads to the deterioration of health..." - Nose

First, give us a rule in a legitimate religion that leads to deterioration of health (wine is neither a rule nor bad for one's health), then explain how female genital mutilation, honor killing, and beheading apostates is good for one's health. Remember that Jewish fasting's purpose is not for health benefits but for the purpose of personal sacrifice (whereas in Islam it's solely for the appearance of legitimacy as a religion).

Entire essays have been written about Islam's effects on mental and psychological health. It turns people into predatory animals, essentially, while legitimate religions turn people into better people when practiced properly. Oh, and if you think fasting's good for you, you're wrong, never mind that that was hijacked from Judaism. Like the Kaaba (Hindu), it's simply not Islamic.

Garlic is also good for one's health. How is avoiding it good for you?

How is it beneficial to carry around billions of strains of mosque foot fungus on ones hands an face? And the characteristic Mohammedan ass fungus that my dermatologist uncle loves to tell me about? He says that when he sees a Mohammedan name on his schedule he knows with 100% certainty that it's either ass fungus or a particularly nasty strain of mosque foot fungus on someone's hand and face, as opposed to the millions of more dormant strains that Mohammedans invariably carry around. He's very PC and he still says that Islam is child abuse because it inflicts actual diseases on all of its followers, diseases which they carry outwardly. Maybe that's what was up with the tapeworm baby factory on that plane yesterday, come to think of it.

How is it genetically beneficial to inbreed, like Perv Mo attempted to do when he supposedly raped his retarded, six-year-old niece (even though we all know he was impotent)?

Raping six year-olds can actually kill them and would more often if it weren't for Muslim men's extreme anatomical inadequacies resulting from millenia of inbreeding and arranged/forced marriages, both of which quite obviously cause evolution to rapidly work in reverse. How is it beneficial to die from getting raped again? How is any form of rape beneficial, since Islam has endless laws sanctioning it? And beating women? How is that beneficial? And childhood pregnancy? And having 20X the rates of genetic defects and disorders, as the entire Muslim world does as the result of millenia of inbreeding? The accompanying ridiculously low IQs? The accompanying physical hideousness, bad personalities, and small-mindedness?

How is it beneficial to be a parasite? Islam forbids ever engaging in honest, hard work. The only work in which Muslims are ever to engage, in emulating your parasite Pervert, is that of murder, torture, plunder, rape, and extortion. How is that good for either the individual or a society, and if you claim that it is then why is every place that Mohammedans rule an uninhabitable hellhole within ten years?

Islam has never had a single beneficial effect on anyone, nor could it ever. It is pure evil, through and through, and monkeys like you keep proving it.

And as for your made-up, anti-Semitic condemnations of the Bible, wasn't the ostensible reason (the real reason being jealousy and an unparalled inferiority complex) why Muslims hate Jews because, 2500 years after the first Biblical writings, the Jews abandoned the barbaric practices of the Torah like stoning adulterers and animal sacrifice? Truth be told, I think that rapists should be executed. Imagine if Talmudic law had been applied to Perv Mo. What a glorious world this would be. He would have been killed as soon as he raped his retarded, 6-year-old niece and would have never killed a Jew or a Christian.

I'm waiting. Refute it logically, concede that you're 100% wrong and I'm 100% right, or go away, Nose.

Posted by: jdamn at January 4, 2009 6:56 PM

Whenever I cross paths with a woman in the bag in my neighborhood in Queens, NY, I look her straight in the eyeslit and bless myself, ostentatiously. I figure it can't hurt, and since no words are exchanged, no 'hate' crime is committed. But by the (barely perceptable) looks I receive, I get the feeling my intent is clearly conveyed. Which is fine by me.

Posted by: Rick at January 5, 2009 5:09 AM

You`re right NOSE. God doesn`t need us. He CAN do all things, Himself, but he chooses to involve His creation, The Human Race, to further His Kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven. He had to create Jesus through a woman,who was a virgin and through Himself, The Eternal Holy Father,so He would be without sin and could pay the price for humanity`s sin on the cross of Calvary. That is our only way back to GOD, the Father. " FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." He also chooses to use human beings filled with His Holy Spirit to carry out His good works here on the earth, to further His Kingdom. The fruits of the Spirit are: LOVE, PEACE, PATIENCE, LONGSUFFERING etc etc. Therefore His purpose to bring men and women into God`s family. He`s very into families!
That`s what being a Christian is all about, we are fogiven sinners by the blood shed at the cross of Calvary. We only have to bellieve in what Jesus did for us at the cross.

Posted by: Carole at January 5, 2009 9:16 AM

You`re right NOSE. God doesn`t need us. He CAN do all things, Himself, but he chooses to involve His creation, The Human Race, to further His Kingdom on earth as it is in Heaven. He had to create Jesus through a woman,who was a virgin and through Himself, The Eternal Holy Father,so He would be without sin and could pay the price for humanity`s sin on the cross of Calvary. That is our only way back to GOD, the Father. " FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD, HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE." He also chooses to use human beings filled with His Holy Spirit to carry out His good works here on the earth, to further His Kingdom. The fruits of the Spirit are: LOVE, PEACE, PATIENCE, LONGSUFFERING etc etc. Therefore His purpose is to bring men and women into God`s family. He`s very into families!
That`s what being a Christian is all about, we are fogiven sinners by the blood shed at the cross of Calvary. We only have to believe in what Jesus did for us at the cross.

Posted by: Carole at January 5, 2009 9:19 AM

Rick

I am not sure about your actions regarding hijabified woman. What if she is being forced to wear the death shroud by her insecure husband?

And if she chose it surely that is an exercise in the freedom of choice which we should defend?

Just a thought...

Posted by: Gorgi at January 5, 2009 9:21 AM

I am not sure about your actions regarding hijabified woman. What if she is being forced to wear the death shroud by her insecure husband?

And if she chose it surely that is an exercise in the freedom of choice which we should defend?

Just a thought... ~ Gorgi

Well, it's not a very good thought. Muslims have no "freedom of choice," they are slaves of allah. Besides, what don't you get about the stealth jihad, seeing's how you're here?

Posted by: Rick at January 5, 2009 10:55 AM

Surely no one is suggesting that Rick does not have the right to make the sign of the cross for whatever reason he chooses?

I usually think of making the sign of the cross after I have passed a woman in a niqab but I am not Catholic, so it does not come naturally to me. Maybe I should practice at home.

Posted by: Josephine at January 5, 2009 11:09 AM

I usually think of making the sign of the cross after I have passed a woman in a niqab but I am not Catholic, so it does not come naturally to me. Maybe I should practice at home. ~ Josephine

12 years of Catholic school, plus being an altar boy. So, yeah, it comes easy. But once you get in the habit (pun intended), the reactions can be priceless. After all, isn't a musliminah in the bag (an eggplant with eyeslits) not ostentatious, not in our face, not offensive? Josephine, some people just don't get it. Out of some misguided fear of offending, they are multi-culturally suicidal.

Posted by: Rick at January 5, 2009 11:26 AM

Rick

There is nothing about crossing yourself. I just dont like people who do things just to annoy others.

Sounds childish in a bullying kind of way. Maybe its just me.

Posted by: Gorgi at January 5, 2009 11:36 AM

Sounds childish in a bullying kind of way. Maybe its just me. ~ Gorgi

Bullying? Yep, you're right, it is just you.

So whaddaya think of that stealth jihad thingy, eh?

Posted by: Rick at January 5, 2009 11:46 AM

Rick

OK Rick you win on the crossing thing. Funny though you using an ancient middle eastern torture symbol to scare off another middle eastern torture symbol...

As for the Jihad thing it depends where you are. If you are in the US then I really dont know much about the situation there.

Here in Britain though we have a serious, largely self-inflicted problem. We welcomed millions of Muslims from Pakistan and Bdesh in the 60s and 70s when our economy needed unskilled workforce. As our luck would've it they just happened to have come from the most backward, most conservative parts of those countries(sylhet and mirapur).

When the work run out we dumped them in ghettos and let them stew in their own backward cultural juices. We looked the other way when we fully well knew they were practsing polygamy, forced marriages, honour killing, genital mutilation and all kinds of other barbarities. Little known fact for example is incest amongst Pakistani and Bdeshi communities in particular. It is an almost accepted practise that older brothers rape their younger sisters with their mothers' connivance.

To make things worse our ultra-liberal local authorties bowed to their menfolk's every demand.

And then came al-qaeda, Iraq and Afghanistan and 9/11.

So in Brtain at least it is rather simplistic to talk about stealth jihads. It is more complex than that.

The solution? Fight back. Ban Hijab in all public places. Arrest and deport any parent forcing their daughter to marry against her will. Hunt down and arrest extremists and wherever possible, hand them over to the Afghani govt who doesnt really like Pakistni extremists.

Tell our Muslim community, in no uncertain terms, that freedom of speech is OUR god. So yeah we will say things about Islam that you may not like. tough.

Lastly Muslim women who just sit at home and claim benefits should be forced to learn English and get a job. No more translations of information into Sylheti and Urdu.

That'll be a start wouldnt it?

Posted by: Gorgi at January 5, 2009 12:16 PM

So making the sign of the cross is bullying behaviour. I guess "staring" at an oddly-dressed woman or man is abusive, too. In the olden days we would have said, "Serves you right for dressing like a weirdo -- if you don't want to get stared at, dress like a normal person and fit in."

I am non-confrontational and do not go out of my way to offend anyone. But niqabs are totally in-your-face-Islamic-supremacy and a silent, opposing religious response would not be out of order.

Making the sign of the cross isn't invoking an ancient Middle Eastern torture symbol. When you make the sign of the cross, you're saying, "Father, Son and Holy Ghost".

The niqab transmits, loud and clear: "There is no god but allah and mohammed is his messenger".

The sign of the cross says in response: "God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit".

Posted by: Josephine at January 5, 2009 1:01 PM

Josephine

What if the the poor woman was forced to wear the thing by her male relatices?

why victimise her any further by making silly gestures at her or staring at her?

I can't stand that kind of behaviour. It is rude and bullying and very very unmanly. In fact come to think of it is downright despicable that a man should do that to a woman no matter what she wears.

Posted by: Gorgi at January 5, 2009 1:28 PM

What if the the poor woman was forced to wear the thing by her male relatices?

why victimise her any further by making silly gestures at her or staring at her? ~ Gorgi

To be honest, that's her problem. If she's in Canada or the US, she has options, whether she takes them or not. It's not my job to worry about her 'situation'.

Oh, and cut the 'victimhood' crap. You said I was a bully for saying nothing and using no obscene hand gestures. These are muslims we are talking about. You know, the current world holders of the beheaded body count. You seem so worried about her widdle feewings that you ignore everyone else's when it comes to her muslim supremacy ideology. Why should I be a dhimmi and bow and scrape to such people? Why should you? To be polite? I lost my politeness when I saw 9/11 happen right before my eyes while standing on 5th Ave. I also saw newscasts of the Palis dancing in the streets passing out sweets in celebration. I haven't forgotten. You, on the other hand, apparently have. Speaks more about you than it does about me.

Oh, and thanks Josephine. You get it. But then you were at a rally and saw the muslim hatred toward us Westerners first hand. That's a bell that can't be unrung.

Posted by: Rick at January 5, 2009 1:57 PM

Gorgi, we're not talking about giving her the finger or running up and sprinkling holy water on her. We're talking about the automatic reaction some religious Christians experience when confronted with a blatant advertisement for what we consider to be an unholy and dangerous religion/political system.

Religion aside, don't you experience a visceral sense of dread when you see a woman in a niqab? Or does that just happen to me because I'm a woman? It's got nothing to do with disliking the woman inside the niqab: it's a gut-level response to the slavery -- voluntary or involuntary -- of the woman. I don't think my gut reaction would be much different if she were dressed normally but bound in shackles (as part of her religion).

I've been taught to listen to my gut. I've been taught not to smile and pretend I'm happy when something is setting off internal alarm bells. On an instinctual level, a niqab signals danger to right-thinking people.

If a woman in a niqab doesn't like it when Rick makes the sign of the cross, perhaps she should consider why her outfit causes such a reaction in public. That makes sense, doesn't it? Are we not all expected to get along in public?

The ability to discern disapprobation, and take appropriate action, will only help her to fit into our society: she should not be spared the temporarily unpleasant knowledge that we think she is dressed like an oddball or in a way that is offensive to us if it will help her in the long run.

If her husband is so oppressive that he forces her to wear a niqab, perhaps the discomfort of not fitting in will serve as a push towards seeking a way out of either her marriage or such a repressive form of Islam. Pretending that we think it is hunky-dory won't help her shrug off the chains that shackle her.

Posted by: Josephine at January 5, 2009 2:26 PM

Rick - Yes, the masks were off on Saturday. It was unsettling to say the least. It was obvious that many were itching for a physical confrontation. The way they roared in triumph when we had to leave... I won't soon forget it.

As we were walking along another street, just a bunch of quiet people with Israeli flags, one Muslim woman (Middle Eastern in appearance), leaned her entire upper body out of the front passenger seat of the car she was in, gave us the finger with two outstretched arms, and screamed, "F*** you!" several times as she passed.

Welcome to Gaza... in your own backyard.

Posted by: Josephine at January 5, 2009 2:34 PM

I can't believe that now even jihad watch has taken to political correctness. I see no reason why my comments should have been deleted.

Posted by: Laura at January 5, 2009 7:48 PM