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Gaza jihad-enablers chant genocidal slogans and get aggressive -- in Toronto, January 3.
People with Israeli flags can been seen across the road.
When the peace-loving thugs shout, "You are the product of monkeys, you are the product of pigs!," they are referring to the passages in the Qur'an in which Allah curses Jews and transforms them into apes and pigs (2:62-65; 5:59-60; 7:166).
Posted by Robert at January 6, 2009 8:05 AM
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Praise YAH!
They got a big one today-
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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129254
IDF Kills Head of Hamas Rocket Program
by Hana Levi Julian
(IsraelNN.com) IDF forces have permanently ended the threat posted to Israel's southern residents by senior Hamas terrorist Ayman Siam, head of the guerrilla group's rocket and artillery unit in Gaza.
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I read the IDF is saying they'll be done by the end of the week.
Go IDF!!!
Dani' El
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at January 6, 2009 8:31 AM
When will people wake about Hammas and their appologists? when l saw the unions and other nonmuslims marching in step with these thugs and supporting their causes l just cannot believe really how stupid they are. The new left has no sense of right or wrong, its all smoke and mirrors and require low iq.
Posted by: ZenaWarriorPrincess at January 6, 2009 8:34 AM
"When the peace-loving thugs shout, "You are the product of monkeys, you are the product of pigs!," they are referring to the passages in the Qur'an in which Allah curses Jews and transforms them into apes and pigs (2:62-65; 5:59-60; 7:166)."
But that was written over 1400 years ago! Surely Muslims can put these genocidal superstitions behind them?
Maybe Muslims really are the pod people and Islam was designed by aliens to destroy the Earth...........
Sorry.
SciFi channel had a Twilight Zone marathon over the holidays.
at January 6, 2009 8:35 AM
Phew! Religion of peace! I feel all warm and lovey inside!
I recognize the man at the end. I noticed him while we were walking because he seemed angry; I couldn't catch what he was saying. I paused and looked at him, wondering what was going on, but he continued to walk away. I had no idea what had just happened.
Hats off to the person who was brave enough to walk amongst the haters and get this revealing video.
And many thanks to Robert Spencer for posting this.
Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 8:37 AM
"But that was written over 1400 years ago! Surely Muslims can put these genocidal superstitions behind them?" --tanstaafl
Nope. Those are the literal - LITERAL - words of Allah. So, no can do.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 8:46 AM
It serves the cameraman right for trying to engage these antediluvian savages in any kind of discussion.
Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at January 6, 2009 8:51 AM
Wow. It's like watching Nazis.
And the Mohammedan psycho at the end - he creamed the reporter because he didn't want to answer why "Hitler didn't do a good job?"
Never Again is happening Again, though so far only verbally. However, if the Mohammedans ever do achieve world domination, it's into the ovens for Jews. And for us, too.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 8:51 AM
Zena - Here is what Sid Ryan, president of CUPE (a big Canadian union), has been up to:
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1144758
"Ontario union calls for ban on Israeli professors
"Ontario's largest university workers' union is proposing a ban on Israeli academics teaching in the province's universities, in a move that echoes previous attempts to boycott goods and services from the Jewish state..."
Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 8:55 AM
Instead of focusing on good research and bringing Jihadism to the light, now you're wasting your time with the Palestinians.
Is there any legitimate anti-Israeli, pro-Palestinian activity, or is the goal to tar them with the Nazi brush? Is every idiot yelling "Alahu Akbar" at a rally, going to compromise the democratically given right to express your opposition to Israeli politics?
I happen to support Israel tooth-and-nail, and have committed enormous time volunteering for American-Israeli causes - but I find it dubious to smear and smear and smear those who disagree with your politics.
For someone like Spencer, who is consistently the victim of smear campaigns, we can see how the victim becomes the oppressor.
How much do you have to salivate, or carry out Foxman's bidding, to at every turn dig up the tie between Jihad and Palestine, the Nazi's and Palestine? How much critical thought does it take.
I loved this site before the Hamas incident, but this is too much. You can also see the herd mentality, in the comments. There needs to be a pom-pom banner here somewhere - onward anti-Jihadi soldier. Or should that read "the force the Koranic literalism down-their Muslim throats against their wills" bored middle class white American male "soldier"?
How about a decent dialogue, and some thinking?
For example: if you promote secularism, does that mean no religious symbols at school, or does that mean one accepted religious symbol that the country inherits? If so, then in Spain you keep the cross, and call that secular. Or do you toss it?
What then do you do with school lunch involving pork. Do you force all the children to eat it - since your state is secular - or do you take into account religious "heritage".
at January 6, 2009 8:59 AM
Where is the Canadian Human Rights Commission that tried to railroad Mark Steyn?
Shouldn't they be going after these folks who are committing "hate crimes"?
at January 6, 2009 9:02 AM
"Intifada" -- that means "Feed the world, Let them know it's Christmastime" in Arabic, right?
Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 9:08 AM
Skeptic; I think you're way too skeptical. You seem to suggest you're better than the "bored middle class white American male "soldier" you evidently assume many JW readers to be, including the women, I imagine.
Flaunting one's skepticism is often a way of setting oneself up as a higher moral being when, in fact, it's usually evidence of an inability to call something by it's earned name.
There is no reason to spend time on the dialogue you require. Why?
Because Hamas and other anti-Jewish folk, are wrong at least and evil at worst. Pro-Jewish folk are, by weight of years and years of evidence, right and good.
But perhaps I'm misinterpreting your point.
at January 6, 2009 9:21 AM
SlepticOverAll-
Since when did barking, "You're the product of pigs!" or "Hitler didn't do a good job" come to mean merely crticizing the policies of another nation?
If you heard someone say the Crusaders didn't kill enough Muslims or that Muslims were subhuman, would you accept the excuse that he was merely criticizing the attitudes of the mullahs? If you say no, I'll assume you prefer salivating while doing the bidding of CAIR and OIC.
Posted by: thank_god_im_an_infidel at January 6, 2009 9:23 AM
SkepticOverAll, let the kiddies pack a lunch on pork days.
Pretty simple, eh?
Posted by: Vee at January 6, 2009 9:25 AM
"Instead of focusing on good research and bringing Jihadism to the light, now you're wasting your time with the Palestinians."
The coordination of frenzied worldwide pro-Palestinian protests, more often than not using language such as captured here, strongly suggests elements beyond plain synpathy for the Gazans. The language is anti-Jewish as much or more than it is pro-Palestinian. Perhaps this actually is bringing jihadism to the light, yes?
"For someone like Spencer, who is consistently the victim of smear campaigns, we can see how the victim becomes the oppressor."
I think that we're also coming to understand how oppressors can play the victim. Why were there no calls to end the conflict before the Israeli response, do you suppose?
"How about a decent dialogue, and some thinking? "
The video ended, abruptly I might say, when the cameraman asked the nice gentleman what he meant when he allegedly said "Hitler didn't do a good job." How would you have phrased the question?
Posted by: Chatillon at January 6, 2009 9:41 AM
I live in Toronto and drove by the 'march'. I saw 4 Hezbollah flags in the crowd. CUPE president Sid Ryan was also present.
Posted by: JB at January 6, 2009 10:10 AM
@undaunted:
Be careful. Israel has committed excesses in the past. Whilst I believe that their actions this time - THIS TIME - are justified, do not ever fall into the trap of assuming that the Israelis are always right and can do no wrong. That way lies fanaticism akin to that of jihadism.
Posted by: Australian at January 6, 2009 10:10 AM
This is not simply a war between Israel and Hamas, or Israel and Palestine. It is the continued war between Islam and everyone else. It appears that Islam may be the only MENTAL ILLNESS that is contagious. All who defend and support the cause of Hamas are also supporting the cause of Islam... Muslim or not. Civilized people must stand together against this evil sickness before it becomes an unstoppable plague.
Posted by: Ethan at January 6, 2009 10:27 AM
Point taken, Australian. I didn't mean they were perfect.
Thank you.
Posted by: undaunted at January 6, 2009 10:39 AM
Josephine, thank you for all your good work covering the pro-Jihad protests in Toronto. You have been inspiring.
More inspiration--last month, in a thread on Wafa Sultan, Dumbledore's Army wrote:
Here is an art project for Fawstin, perhaps, or even for gravenimage, or perhaps for aspiring photography portraitists among us...
Who will consider doing a series of classic portraits of The Defectors from Islam, The Apostates?
Imagine a gallery with the faces of Taslima Nasreen, Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Magdi Cristiano Allam, Patrick Sookhdeo (in the full ceremonial get-up of an Anglican Canon), Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Daniel Shayesteh with his wife and daughters, Abdul Rahman (the Afghan who converted to Christianity), and (I am sure) so many, many others.
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I thought this was a great idea--and it is long past time that I found a real way to contribute to the fight against Jihad, as Bosch Fawstin is doing with his Pigman comic. I thought DDA's idea could be expanded, though, to include many heroes against Jihad.
Here is my first entry, starting with Wafa Sultan. It is still a bit of a work in progress. I tried to capture her fine, intelligent face, and a hint of her righteous anger. Please let me know what you think:
http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/gravenimageartist/?actions=view¤t=jwhws.jpg
Robert urged us to "be loud" in 2009.
at January 6, 2009 10:52 AM
Allahu Akbar = Seig Heil
The new NAZI Threat.
Posted by: Kuffar at January 6, 2009 9:37 AM
Exactly.
Oh, "SkepticOverAll" is so above-it-all, isn't he?
Sorry, they're Islamo-Nazis. And they're "tarring" themselves.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 11:00 AM
"Be careful. Israel has committed excesses in the past." --Australian
What examples do you mean? Please provide.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 11:03 AM
Fox News assures me these "anti-war" protesters are trying to create "peace." Please don't repeatedly confuse me with documentary evidence of what they actually believe, say and do.
Posted by: Beagle at January 6, 2009 11:14 AM
"Nope. Those are the literal - LITERAL - words of Allah. So, no can do."
Posted by: darcy
Really, they're the words of a bunch of old men who claimed to remember what Mohammed "said" to them when they were young; words that according to Mohammed, the angel Gabriel "said" to him in the cave; words that Gabriel told Mohammed were "said" to him by Allah. So what we're getting is third-hand, at best. Now I'm willing to agree that Gabriel got it right -- him being an angel and all -- but it's likely that Mohammed and the old-timers who reports his word got things a bit garbled. Interesting that "garble" is a near-anagram of "Gabriel".
at January 6, 2009 11:24 AM
Bumper sticker on the car of a proud Iranian parent: "My suicide-bomber just blew away your honor student."
Posted by: ebonystone at January 6, 2009 11:30 AM
Excellent covert videography! Were charges laid against the guy who assaulted you?
In the future, have two other confederates with you to act as witnesses. They can also intervene and stand between you and the attacker. They protecting confederates should not be associated with the videographer, since if they are seen as pro-jihadist or merely neutral, this will help keep the situation from escalating into danger.
Has anyone identified the man who was calling Jews pigs or the man making the Hitler comments?
Posted by: James Martel at January 6, 2009 11:38 AM
Oops! I meant to post the my last comment on the thread about the student-suicide-volunteers.
Posted by: ebonystone at January 6, 2009 11:39 AM
Skeptic, dialogue with Muslims is invariably a one-sided affair. They believe they have nothing to learn from non-Muslims and are happy believing that the Earth is flat and that 6 and 8 are the same number, so long as they can buy infidel technology and never have to think. Interfaith dialogue never takes place in Saudi Arabia. Why is that? Because Jews aren't allowed. When there's complete reciprocity, then there can be dialogue. When there's a church, a synagogue, and a Hindu temple in Mecca for every mosque, then there can be dialogue. When every Muslim nation allows for freedom of religion and equal status among all citizens, and repeals the death penalty for apostacy, then there can be dialogue.
As for pork at lunch, kids should have vegetarian lunches. It's leftists who push the no pork thing to appease Muslims. If they weren't complete hypocrites they would opt for the only "green" solution, and that's vegetarianism.
As for religious symbols, in what capacity are crosses and Stars of David arguably death threats like headscarves? Because the point of the headscarf is just that, a signal that when the intifada happens, those bitches will be a'killing everyone non-Muslim, their dogs, and every marker of civilization and modernity. The Islamic uniform for women consists of covering their chests and "guarding their vaginas" (vagina invariably being mistranslated as 'modesty,' which, like 'charity,' is absent from the Arabic lexicon). Muslim women only have to wear thong bikinis and nothing more. The headscarf is a death threat.
If you're an actual "skeptic" and not some biased, myopic leftist, why have you not questioned whether or not Islam is actually a religion? Does it not suit your agenda? Care to explain how a Total Belief System which is completely lacking in both morality and theology qualifies as a religion? And upon what basis do you compare it to legitimate religions? Have you possibly not been sufficiently "skeptical" as to question all the shamefully obviously lies (which is all the Muslim side of all "dialogue" ever amounts to) which Muslims and brainless leftists have fed you? Because this seems more than apparent to me.
Care to contrast the effects of state religion in Muslim nations versus Italy, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, and Israel (nations with legitimate state religion), or do you just assume that death-cults for terrorists are equivalent to legitimate religions because that suits your intolerant, godless agenda? Care to explain how, even in nations with legitimate state religion, separation of church and state is still a real phenomenon, unlike Muslim nations which claim to be secular, like Egypt, but whose civil code is dictated entirely by Sharia? Could it be because Islam is a political ideology and not a religion at all?
"Skeptic," my ass.
Posted by: jdamn at January 6, 2009 11:42 AM
"What then do you do with school lunch involving pork. Do you force all the children to eat it - since your state is secular - or do you take into account religious "heritage"."
Posted by: SkepticOverAll at January 6, 2009 8:59 AM
Why, you take it off the menu to accomodate the minority Muslims of course at the expense of the majority. There is no other way to concede your historical heritage under political correctness and the embrace of multiculturalism, is there?
By all means don't put pork along with other foods on the menu and let the children choose, for we all know the very existence of pork products or even pig cartoons are inherently offensive and insensitive to the 2% Muslim population nationally.
Forget who established the US and what they believed and stood for. We all know the mere presence of Christianity in the US is offensive and therefore should be eliminated, symbols, prayers, holidays, the whole lot.
Sounds like some atheist here needs to buy a copy and read The Stealth Jihad.
at January 6, 2009 11:54 AM
Hi Guys! Can anyone point out to me where in the Quaran one can find the analog to the Golden Rule?
You know..Love God and do onto to others as you would have done to you..
With tongue firmly in check...
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:09 PM
"Hitler didn't do a good job"
How utterly disgusting and pathetic! AND HOW ABSOLUTELY MORONIC!!! Do the arabs realize that they too were an expedience for Hitler? They would've been next on the list for Hitler. Arabs are NOT aryans! What a complete mockery they make of themselves with their ignorant slogans!
In a perverse way, the trogolodyte-islamists proclamations of Hitler's unfinished job is a call for their own deaths...
Btw-on the thread about pork. Many people don't eat pork for health reasons. AND-let's not forget most Jewish people don't either. I am a Christian who DOESN'T eat pork because Jesus did NOT. AND-in California, there are no pork items in public schools. It just means they use fowl, beef and fish. Plenty of choices, but NONE of those choices are Kosher or halal and rightly so. In San Diego, there is also a vegetarian choice for lunch as well, but I don't know about the rest of the state.
Posted by: lorfalcon at January 6, 2009 12:12 PM
How about analogs for these quotes or ideals? Hadith or Surahs?...anyone...?
And no I don't want to know about the earlier versions which are invalid, I want the newer fresher, overarching, superceding good stuff written by Mo.
"Love For Others Fulfills The Law"
Galatians 5:14 (RSV)
For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Romans 13:8 (RSV)
Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:9 (RSV)
The commandments, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and any other commandment, are summed up in this sentence, "You shall love your
neighbor as yourself."
Romans 13:10 (RSV)
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. "You shall love your neighbor as yourself," you do well.
Proverbs 10:12 (RSV)
Hatred stirs up strife, but love covers all offenses.
at January 6, 2009 12:13 PM
Typo and proof reading...arrrghh...!!!
Hi Guys! Can anyone point out to me where in the Quaran one can find the analog to the Golden Rule?
You know..Love God and do onto to others as you would have done to you..
With tongue firmly in cheek...
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:15 PM
Hi Guys! Can anyone point out to me where in the Quaran one can find the analog to the Golden Rule?
You know..Love God and do onto to others as you would have done to you..
With tongue firmly in check... ~ Captain America
Why it's right in the chapter after the one with the 10 Commandments.
Posted by: Rick at January 6, 2009 12:18 PM
In my culture pork is delicious and nutritious especially when made in La Caja China. Yum..
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:18 PM
A violent muslim. How unusual.
Why did the police not arrest the scum?
Posted by: Stephen Gash SIOE England at January 6, 2009 12:30 PM
"Skeptic" is at best a LUNATIC FAR-LEFT (perhaps an Academic) Anti-American/Anti-Semitic Jihadist ENABLER,and at WORST, A CYBER-JIHADIST here to WAGE CYBER-WAR AGAINST US!!
Posted by: CHOI at January 6, 2009 12:43 PM
"Nope. Those are the literal - LITERAL - words of Allah. So, no can do."
Posted by: darcy
Really, they're the words of a bunch of old men who claimed to remember what Mohammed "said" to them when they were young..." --ebonystone
Now, I got you! I was being sarcastic.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 1:10 PM
Of course. We always knew that the "misunderstanders" understood the Qur'an perfectly, whereas before this situation in Gaza flared up, they were playing the Taqiyya card. See, all it takes is the right trigger to get them to reveal what we already knew was true.
And this is not the time nor the place to discuss whether or not pork should be served in school at lunch time. How lame is that.
There's a war going on, or haven't you noticed.
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 1:12 PM
"Be careful. Israel has committed excesses in the past." --Australian
What examples do you mean? Please provide.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 11:03 AM
I see I still haven't gotten my examples of "Israel's excesses" yet from Australian. Not surprised.
Posted by: darcy at January 6, 2009 1:13 PM
And this is not the time nor the place to discuss whether or not pork should be served in school at lunch time. How lame is that.
There's a war going on, or haven't you noticed.
Posted by: champ
Aimed at our resident Skeptic.
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 1:15 PM
Religion of Peace!
I have a theory about elitist Leftists:
They think everyone being unified under ONE religion will be beneficial to Socialism. They think Christianity is the religion of the Imperialist Capitalist nations. So, they think they can achieve "change" by bringing about a unified culture through Islam.
It's out there, no doubt. But how else would one explain their constant pandering and covering for Islamic populations?
Posted by: camnc4me at January 6, 2009 1:16 PM
gravenimage - Well done! You're a talented artist!
Thank you for your kind words. I'd like to shake the hand of the man who took this video!
Yes, let's all "get loud" in 2009!
My voice is quiet but look what happened when:
- my husband added his voice to the video
- Robert Spencer added his voice
- Kathy Shaidle added her voice
- Pete Vere added his voice
- "IsraelChampion" posted his video as a response to mine
- repeat above re. Robert Spencer and Kathy Shaidle
- and so on
Yes, individually, most of us have quiet voices, but together we can make a loud noise.
I wrote to Robert Spencer to tell him about the rally because I thought he would be interested. It was a huge honour for me to have my little report and video featured here.
Robert has his name and face out there in full view of the jihadis. He's got more courage than I've got in my baby finger. And because of his courage, we can all take courage. Because of his voice, we can all have a voice.
Say it loud, I'm anti-jihad and proud!
Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 1:17 PM
I wonder what interesting comments we would have seen if you'd interviewed the JDL counterprotesters about what they think about Palestinians ("they don't exist") or Muslims.
Your purpose, and the purpose of the JDL, was to incite and provoke.
Posted by: lula at January 6, 2009 1:19 PM
"You know..Love God and do onto to others as you would have done to you.."
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:09 PM
How about these?
Surat Al Nisa 4:36
Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious;-
Surat Al Anam 6:151
Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from": Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.
Surat Al-Maeda 5:8
O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.
Surat Al Baqara 2:283
If ye are on a journey, and cannot find a scribe, a pledge with possession (may serve the purpose). And if one of you deposits a thing on trust with another, Let the trustee (Faithfully) discharge His trust, and let him fear his Lord. Conceal not evidence; for whoever conceals it,- His heart is tainted with sin. And Allah Knoweth all that ye do.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
at January 6, 2009 1:25 PM
LOL, I just realized that I messed up that saying.
I meant to say that Robert Spencer has more courage in his baby finger than I've got.
(I'm a doofus.)
Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 1:28 PM
Josephine wrote:
gravenimage - Well done! You're a talented artist!
...............
Thank you, Josephine. Anyone who wants can leave a comment at photobucket if they would like.
http://s478.photobucket.com/albums/rr144/gravenimageartist/?actions=view¤t=jwhws.jpg
Posted by: gravenimage at January 6, 2009 1:29 PM
I guess your not as pugilistic as I am. As soon as he assulted me on camera, camera off, fists on, and let the $hit kicking begin.
Posted by: dammahom at January 6, 2009 1:31 PM
SkepticOverAll,
"How about a decent dialogue, and some thinking?"
I think you will find if you dig deep enough that among the 4 major schools of Islamic thought Islamic Jurisprudence is unanimous in its end game strategy in regards to the self governance of non-Muslims.
What does Sharia say about Jihad? Let’s examine the legal writings of each of the four major schools of Sharia. Thanks to Robert Spencer for these quotes:
Maliki School, jurist Ibn Abi Zayd al-Qayrawani (d. 996):
“Jihad is a precept of Divine institution. Its performance by certain individuals may dispense others from it. We Malikis maintain that it is preferable not to begin hostilities with the enemy before having invited the latter to embrace the religion of Allah except where the enemy attacks first. They have the alternative of either converting to Islam or paying the poll tax (jizya), short of which war will be declared against them.”
Hanbali School, jurist Ibn Taymiyya (d. 1328), popular with modern terrorists:
“Since lawful warfare is essentially jihad and since its aim is that the religion is God’s entirely and God’s word is uppermost, therefore according to all Muslims, those who stand in the way of this aim must be fought. As for those who cannot offer resistance or cannot fight, such as women, children, monks, old people, the blind, handicapped and their likes, they shall not be killed unless they actually fight with words (e.g. by propaganda) and acts (e.g. by spying or otherwise assisting in the warfare).”
Hanafi School, Hedaya, classic manual of Hanafi laws, 12th century:
“It is not lawful to make war upon any people who have never before been called to the faith, without previously requiring them to embrace it, because the Prophet so instructed his commanders, directing them to call the infidels to the faith, and also because the people will hence perceive that they are attacked for the sake of religion, and not for the sake of taking their property, or making slaves of their children, and on this consideration it is possible that they may be induced to agree to the call, in order to save themselves from the troubles of war… If the infidels, upon receiving the call, neither consent to it nor agree to pay capitation tax, it is then incumbent on the Muslims to call upon God for assistance, and to make war upon them, because God is the assistant of those who serve Him, and the destroyer of His enemies, the infidels, and it is necessary to implore His aid upon every occasion; the Prophet, moreover, commands us so to do.”
Shafi’i School, scholar Abu’l Hasan al-Mawardi (d. 1058):
“The mushrikun [infidels] of Dar al-Harb (the arena of battle) are of two types: First, those whom the call of Islam has reached, but they have refused it and have taken up arms. The amir of the army has the option of fighting them…in accordance with what he judges to be in the best interest of the Muslims and most harmful to the mushrikun… Second, those whom the invitation to Islam has not reached, although such persons are few nowadays since Allah has made manifest the call of his Messenger…it is forbidden to…begin an attack before explaining the invitation to Islam to them, informing them of the miracles of the Prophet and making plain the proofs so as to encourage acceptance on their part; if they still refuse to accept after this, war is waged against them and they are treated as those whom the call has reached…”
I don't see how "dialogue" with enemies whom hold this belief system to be revelation from God will do you any good. At best you can get a peace treaty.
Khadduri’s book, War and Peace in the Law of Islam:
“If a catastrophe had befallen the Muslims, (they) might come to terms with the enemy…provided that the Muslims should resume the Jihad after the expiration of the treaty…treaties must be of temporary duration, for in Muslim legal theory the normal relations between Muslim and non-Muslim territories are not peaceful, but warlike…If the (leader) entered a treaty which he was incapable of fulfilling, the treaty was regarded as void…the Prophet Muhammad has set the classic example by concluding a (628 A.D.) treaty with the Makkans, known as the Hudayabiya Treaty (whereby) a peace treaty with the enemy is a valid instrument if it serves Muslim interests…the Prophet and his successors always reserved their right to repudiate any treaty or arrangement which they considered as harmful…Muslim authorities might come to terms with (the enemy), provided it was only for a temporary period…a temporary peace with the enemy is not inconsistent with Islam’s interests….”
Skeptic please explain to all of us Kuffar here just where the wiggle room is in that body of knowledge to justify our existence as free people in the long term anywhere on the globe. I think the more you learn the more you will come to realize Israel is at war with Muslims, and just what that means beyond the surface. I remember at the beginning of the current Iraqi affair, a Hindu said to me, “You are at war with Muslims now, you will not be able to simply go home like you did in Vietnam." You will come to learn that there are only two outcomes in war with Muslims. Either they die, or you die.” I was completely shocked by that statement, floored it was a cathartic moment. I was just like you before I heard that. We in the west can learn a lot about what is in store for the us from Hindus, you should check for yourself to see what they have to say. Anyways it was that statement, which sent me on my journey to study Islam many years ago. There is no end for Jews in Israel other than death, or victory. Hamas is at the extreme end of what is considered aggressive from a faith whose moderate contemporary orthodoxy is extreme in regards to the mandate for war against non-Muslim states. What positive outcome dialoged could get you with Hamas... eludes me.
at January 6, 2009 1:36 PM
Great video!!
There's no denying it now, folks, Islam is NOT a "religion of peace", as some liars would have us believe; but is indeed a religion of hate filled, blood thirsty warriors for allah. Yeah, like we didn't already know that, LOL! I'm being a smarty-pants.
AM - shut up. Go pander your allah shit-god some place else, and then see if you can sell it to the highest bidder where power hungry, blood thirsty converts await. We are not interested in your false god and BS.
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 1:36 PM
They think everyone being unified under ONE religion will be beneficial to Socialism. They think Christianity is the religion of the Imperialist Capitalist nations. So, they think they can achieve "change" by bringing about a unified culture through Islam.
It's out there, no doubt. But how else would one explain their constant pandering and covering for Islamic populations?
Posted by - camnc4me
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I beg to differ. The main reason why your average leftard supports islam is the following demented rationale:
anti-USA + anti-capitalism + anti-Israel (or simply two or one of those combined) = good
The leftards buy the idea that once A-rabs get "more education", "more jobs", "more social justice", they would inevitably embrace secularism and relegate their sick cult to the status of personal matter.
They even refuse to consider the fact that other issues that they claim to be dear to their hearts (and which I support as well) such as women's rights, gay rights and human rights in general would be done away in a heartbeat in a world under the sharia law of their friends/allies of convenience. Not to mention what would happen to sciences and arts in general if those fields were to be subject to the constraints of complete submission to the will of allah (the imaginary.)
If the leftards truly think they can hold hands with islamonazis for their supposed "common cause", someone had better remind them that their muslim friends will turn against them as soon as they don't need them anymore. Isn't it what happened when the Taliban realized it no longer needed the foolish West and US help to defeat the USSR?
at January 6, 2009 1:40 PM
“How about analogs for these quotes or ideals? Hadith or Surahs?...anyone...?
And no I don't want to know about the earlier versions which are invalid, I want the newer fresher, overarching, superceding good stuff written by Mo.”
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:13 PM
Okay, how about these:
Volume 3, Book 35, Number 459:
Narrated 'Amr bin Ash-Sharid:
Mohammad said, “The neighbor has more right than anyone else because of his nearness,”
Note from AM: In the selling of your property even if the neighbor offered first a lower price than a stranger who later offered more, the has the right of purchase first.
Volume 3, Book 35, Number 460:
Narrated Aisha:
I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I have two neighbors and would like to know to which of them I should give presents." He replied, "To the one whose door is nearer to you."
{Romans 13:9 (RSV)equivalency below?}
Volume 6, Book 60, Number 4:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
I asked the Prophet, "What is the greatest sin in the Sight of Allah?" He said, "That you set up a rival unto Allah though He Alone created you." I said, "That is indeed a great sin." Then asked, "What is next?" He said, "To kill your son lest he should share your food with you." I asked, "What is next?" He said, "To commit illegal sexual intercourse with the wife of your neighbor."
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 114:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should not hurt (trouble) his neighbor…”
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 43:
Narrated 'Aisha:
The Prophet said "Gabriel continued to recommend me about treating the neighbors Kindly and politely so much so that I thought he would order me to make them as my heirs.”
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 44:
Narrates Ibn Umar:
Allah' Apostle said, Gabriel kept on recommending me about treating the neighbors in a kind and polite manner, so much so that I thought that he would order (me) to make them (my) heirs."
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 45:
Narrated Abu Shuraih:
The Prophet said, "By Allah, he does not believe! By Allah, he does not believe! By Allah, he does not believe!" It was said, "Who is that, O Allah's Apostle?"
He said, "That person whose neighbor does not feel safe from his evil."
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 47:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbor, and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep quiet. (i.e. abstain from all kinds of evil and dirty talk).
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 48:
Narrated Abu Shuraih Al-Adawi:
My ears heard and my eyes saw the Prophet when he spoke, "Anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day, should serve his neighbor generously, and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should serve his guest generously by giving him his reward." It was asked. "What is his reward, O Allah's Apostle?" He said, "(To be entertained generously) for a day and a night with high quality of food and the guest has the right to be entertained for three days (with ordinary food) and if he stays longer, what he will be provided with will be regarded as Sadaqa (a charitable gift). And anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep quite (i.e. abstain from all kinds of dirty and evil talks)."
(Etc…..)
Captain America, do I need to go on?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
(P.S. Mohammad didn’t write anything…he was illiterate…but he spoke a lot…)
at January 6, 2009 1:41 PM
Um, no, dirtbag; you don't need to go on.
Posted by: undaunted at January 6, 2009 1:45 PM
"Your purpose, and the purpose of the JDL, was to incite and provoke."
True that! Jihad Watch incites and provokes intelligence and awakening from zombie dhimmie status.
JDL also incites and provokes awareness of anti-semitism! (sarcasm on-How horrible is that? That people become aware of their own anti-semitism? islamists can't have that! sarcasm off)
The only ones inciting and provoking (violence) in this video are the islamists! Any counter demonstrators are, of a necessity, quiet and reserved. This video is a tool for witnessing first hand the outrageous hatred of islamists. And don't worry, I am sure Robert and Hugh will be posting some of the counter-demonstrations which are organized for the next couple of days. You'll get to see true citizenry at work then!
Here at Jihad Watch we want Israel to stand forever! They are the only Democracy and purveyors of freedom of speech in the Middle East!
Posted by: lorfalcon at January 6, 2009 1:47 PM
Well, that explains why my bullshit detector just spiked.
Anyone else get a spike?
Posted by: undaunted at January 6, 2009 1:50 PM
Abdullah Mikail
Those are touching passages. Presumably they are the word of "Allah" correct? If so, then why do some many "Muslims" not follow such peaceful tenets and instead dwell on this earth with evil in their souls, hell bent (pun intended) on murdering those who do not believe as they do and even their own (Sunni v. Shia).
Why is it that everytime I access media, I see a turbin clad "cleric"/"holy man"/imam threatening my country, my family, my friends, my faith, my freedom of speech, thought, etc.
How do you reconcile the following passage with what you quoted to me above?
Tabari VIII:130 The Messenger said during his final illness, 'Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.' Umar investigated the matter, then sent to the Jews, saying: 'Allah has given permission for you to be expelled; for I have received word that the Prophet said that two religions cannot coexist in Arabia..
at January 6, 2009 1:55 PM
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
"You know..Love God and do onto to others as you would have done to you.."
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 12:09 PM
How about these?
Surat Al Nisa 4:36
Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess...
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Did anyone else notice that, while supposedly writing about Islam's "golden rule", that AM got in an apologia for slavery? Slaves and concubines--that would be "what your right hands possess". Good going, Abdullah. Nothing more indicative of the golden rule than the institution of slavery.
Posted by: gravenimage at January 6, 2009 1:55 PM
the institution of slavery.
Posted by: gravenimage at January 6, 2009 1:55 PM
Sorry it goes way over your head.
Slavery was not an institution created by Islam.
Slavery was legislated, controlled, access to it limited, multiple paths out of it created, and a reward of heaven for those who freed people from it guaranteed.
Islam legislated an end to slavery, it did not create it.
Capiche Paisan?
I didn't think so...you have to pull your fingers out of your ears and take the blinders off and actually read and understand the legislation to see the truth.
But hey, there's still hope for you while you live, right?
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
at January 6, 2009 2:00 PM
Slaves and concubines--that would be "what your right hands possess". Good going, Abdullah. Nothing more indicative of the golden rule than the institution of slavery - Posted by gravenimage
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I'd like to add to your posting that bit brought up by Raymond not too long ago, regarding the pronouns used to refer to the slaves/concubines:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023923.php
"the Arabic relative pronoun used to indicate these captive women is "ma": ma malakat aymankum, literally, “what your right hands possess” (see Shakir’s acclaimed English translation which most literally translates this). In Arabic, when one refers to a rational being (i.e., a human), the word used is min, which means “who(ever)”; ma, on the other hand, refers only to things or animals—trees, rocks, dogs and cats—very much similar to the English “it.” Thus, in proper Arabic the phrase might have been min malakat aymankum: “who(ever) your rights hands possess."
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That's just one more typically islamic "truth."
Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at January 6, 2009 2:04 PM
Islam legislated an end to slavery, it did not create it. - Posted by Abdullah Mikail.
Yeah, just like Hitler claimed that harming a Jew was like harming one's own mother. And like Bill Clinton flat-out admitted he had sex with Monica Lewinski the first time he was asked about it.
Posted by: Proud_Kafir7908 at January 6, 2009 2:07 PM
And as always, the Slave's shitty smugness is oozing from between the lies he posts.
"Islam legislated legislated an end to slavery..."
Huh? Islam is the main practitioner of slavery in the world today. I guess you guys didn't get the memo.
What an ass.
Posted by: undaunted at January 6, 2009 2:26 PM
"How do you reconcile the following passage with what you quoted to me above?"
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 1:55 PM
My advice?
Stick with Bukhari and Muslim **.
Tabari some times refers to source material that is unverifiable, such as hearsay from other scholars whose works are no longer available, so I do not put full trust in him unless I can find corroborating hadiths among the two **.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
at January 6, 2009 2:27 PM
Abdullah Mikail
So you are saying that the Quaran advocates peaceful co-existance with Jews? That it does not advocate their genocide?
That I, as a non-believer, can decline your religion and not be subjected to taxes, i.e. protection money, and/or threats of death?
That I can speak freely and negatively about your religion with God as my only judge?
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 2:39 PM
Those chronic enablers – France TV Channel 2, the very ones who manipulated the Mohammed Al Dura video and have had to apologize since -- did it again!
Yesterday, they broadcast a video depicted as "carnage in a Gaza market", purportedly showing IDF massacre of Gazans on January 3, 2009.
In reality, this was a September 2005 amateur video, modified with voice-over, of an explosion that killed a group of Islamic Jihadists carrying rockets to the launch site.
Some believe that the Channel 2 broadcast may have triggered the attack on the Toulouse synagogue yesterday.
All this does is cast a doubt on the credibility of the reports coming out of Gaza
More information:
Here from a pro-Hamas blogger who has propagated the hoax and offers an apology – Also contains a good chronology of events
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/9917
The excuses of France Channel 2:
http://www.lepost.fr/article/2009/01/06/1376366_les-excuses-de-la-redaction-de-france2-apres-la-diffusion-de-12-secondes-d-images-de-2005.html
at January 6, 2009 2:40 PM
A bit OT, but I'm dropping this into the thread.
Not sure if Robert mentioned Raymond's website when he introduced him here some months back. However that works out, here it is:
Excellent.
Posted by: undaunted at January 6, 2009 2:45 PM
When do we sweep them all out..?
Posted by: Ummah Gummah at January 6, 2009 2:46 PM
for those of you who complained about the lack of attendance at New York's pro Israel rally, dig this. ON Sunday, there is going to be a huge pro-israel rally by both Christians and Jews. Here is the info.
New York
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009
Time: 11 am
Location: Across from Israeli Consulate in New York
Street: E 42nd Street @ 2nd Avenue
at January 6, 2009 2:59 PM
Go Stern gang! You're awesome!!
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 3:05 PM
"All this does is cast a doubt on the credibility of the reports coming out of Gaza"
yes the liar who shot that propaganda reportage is still covering the conflict for that channel
Posted by: Péguy at January 6, 2009 3:08 PM
259 -- bah humbug.
I can think of at least 1,000,000,000.00 reasons why Israel must defeat Hamas & Company; even though they've given Israel twice as many reasons to defend themselves against this evil enemy for what seems like forever. Israel has been patient and longsuggering LONG enough. Enough IS enough.
Go Israel!!
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 3:10 PM
Mohammedan Madman -- your rock is calling.
Posted by: champ at January 6, 2009 3:13 PM
US president elect Barack Obama was quoted by Sky News Tuesday evening as saying he was "deeply concerned" about civilian casualties in Israel and Gaza.
Way to take a stand Hussein. I wonder if he'll lose support from his brothers in Hamas for showing concern about Israeli casualties.
Posted by: Ethan at January 6, 2009 3:25 PM
Re Abdullah Mikail's long list of Jewish "terrorism" from the late 1940s, I would quote him from another thread:
"Robert,
Yes, there is a reward for those who defend with justice against agression and injustice..."
Following Abdullah's logic, I'd say the reward for those Jews defending Israel with justice against aggression and injustice in the 1940s: Thumbs up!
Posted by: DenverRodeo at January 6, 2009 3:33 PM
That's good old unequivating Barry. Solid as a 7.0 earthquake. With such command of the situation, the sky is the limit under his leadership. God help us all.
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 3:37 PM
AM
ALLAH SAID HE CREATED BLACKS TO BE SLAVES TO aRABS AND tURKS. tABARI 11:11. Allah invented slavery so he said. SLAVERY IS FROM ALLAH.
mUHAMMAD HAD SLAVES. hE HAD SEX WITH HIS WIFE'S SLAVE-HE WAS AN ADULTERESS. He fornicated. He lied. He was a pedophile, allah said having sex with babies is ok sura 65:4.
You are free to do it all because allah said so.
2 million black Sudanese have been killed and enslaved by Arab Muslims. African girls are dying from FGM and havinh babies by old Muslim men, yet you defend that awful practice. Allah is Satan the greatest Liar. Sura 3:54. THAT OFFENDS ME!
at January 6, 2009 3:59 PM
Tilly,
I was on youtbe the other day and put this one out there from Tabari.
Tabari 9:69 "Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah's helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in Allah's Cause. Killing him is a small matter to us."
Then this Somali guy comes on ... very angry thinking I was an Arab, and wondering why I would say such a thing. He was surprised to find out in further inquiry that this is Hadith, and is to be considered to be a part of his own faith. How shocking to discover how silly ones own faith is on youtube.
at January 6, 2009 4:18 PM
Captain America said: "Abdullah Mikail
So you are saying that the Quaran advocates peaceful co-existance with Jews? That it does not advocate their genocide?
That I, as a non-believer, can decline your religion and not be subjected to taxes, i.e. protection money, and/or threats of death?
That I can speak freely and negatively about your religion with God as my only judge?"
Captain America said: "
Abdullah Mikail
The silence is deafening."
Yes it is, Captain America. I believe we've just shut up our resident towlhead...
at January 6, 2009 4:20 PM
The webpage from which the Texan child molester got that crap (which is so misguided and intentionally error-ridden, that, for example, it calls the Stern Gang "the Stem Gang") is a fascinating study in Arab projection. Even more fascinating, they try to throw the Brits under the bus with the Jews while simultaneously claiming that the Brits are victims of the Jews, without ever explaining how or why. This webpage actually accuses Jews of campus terrorism at pro-Zionist events. Because Jews are the ones who blow up Zionists (and anyone who opposes caveman totalitarianism) and themselves.
http://www.doublestandards.org/zionism.html
It also consistently fails to mention all the Islamic JIHAD they were fending off when they committed the few acts in that list which have any basis in reality, or that they were all in self-defense. Naturally there's not a single reputable citation in the whole document.
That was pathetic and desperate, even for AM. Thanks for re-confirming your inferiority, AM. Besides failing in finding a woman who is more than a spineless (I've heard the fake little girl voice), soulless (I've seen the dead-cow, cult-member eyes), mutilated (she's Indonesian), undead corpse (she married you), or even a woman with any standards who would accept you, you apparently didn't do too well in school, either did you? Too bad. Your daughter might have had a shot at having two eyebrows and keeping her clitoris.
Posted by: jdamn at January 6, 2009 4:24 PM
Abdullah Mikail wrote:
Slavery was not an institution created by Islam.
Slavery was legislated, controlled, access to it limited, multiple paths out of it created, and a reward of heaven for those who freed people from it guaranteed.
Islam legislated an end to slavery, it did not create it.
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No, Islam did not create slavery. But they have done nothing to end it. As has often been noted, there was no Muslim William Wilberforce. Nor has any Muslim nation ever fought a civil war to end slavery.
The only apologia for slavery today comes out of Muslim nations--the Sudan, Mali, and Saudi Arabia. Niger only banned slavery (on paper) in *2005*. In Sudan, the Janjaweed makes slave raids on villages of their black countrymen.
And you yourself uncritically cited a reference to slavery in reference to the concept of the golden rule.
Mohammed was not just a slave owner--he enslaved many people in his lifetime, and raped slave women whose husbands he had just murdered. Is this exemplary behavior? What do you think of these actions of the "perfect man"?
Posted by: gravenimage at January 6, 2009 4:24 PM
Now you folks have made AM run away. There goes our entertainment.
Truth!
Posted by: The Cool Ghoul at January 6, 2009 4:25 PM
AM should know better than to spread his taqiyya about the islamic Golden Rule here. Here are some stats on the duality of in the 'holy' books of islam, the koran,the hadith of Bukhari and the Sira (from The Study of Political Islam in Frontpage Magazine):
"Political Islam’s most famous duality is the division of the world into believers, dar al Islam, and unbelievers, dar al harb. The largest part of the Trilogy relates to treatment of the unbelievers, kafirs. Even Hell is political. There are 146 references to Hell in the Koran. Only 6% of those in Hell are there for moral failings—murder, theft, etc. The other 94% of the reasons for being in Hell are for the intellectual sin of disagreeing with Mohammed, a political crime. Hence, Islamic Hell is a political prison for those who speak against Islam."
And from the article "Kafirs" at www.politicalislam.com
"The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:
Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.
Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?
Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.
Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.
Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].
Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.
Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, "I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs' hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!"
Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.
Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.
Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.
A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah's protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.
A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.
Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.
Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, "Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced." a partner of Satan 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan's ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.
Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah's same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah's ways."
Posted by: the poetess at January 6, 2009 4:31 PM
That bloke who hit the camera looked black. It's ironic that once Hitler had finished with the Jews, it wouldn't have taken them long to decide that the Arabs were sub humans as well. There's hardly much for National Socialist "culture" to look up to in the Middle East is there?
Posted by: Ian at January 6, 2009 4:37 PM
"Islam legislated an end to slavery, it did not create it."
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AM is just using a line he read or saw somewhere about the USA with regard to slavery. When critics accuse the USA of embracing slavery, the comeback line is that the USA didn't create slavery, it ended it.
Truth!
at January 6, 2009 4:41 PM
I do not think that the coverage is skewed.
Right now we are watching the Battle of Gaza. It is giving people hope because the kafir side (the Jews, in this case) after having behaved like dhimmis for a long time, barely reacting, are going in boots and all and hammering the jihadists.
'Skeptic' should note just how many Hindu Indians have appeared in the 'Gaza battle' related threads - and that they are cheering for the Israelis, because they know that Israel is in the same war as themselves. A decisive victory for Israel in Gaza would hearten up all the OTHER targets of jihad everywhere else in the world.
At end-November/ early December we were watching and discussing, for thread after thread, the Jihad Raid on Mumbai, and it was terribly depressing, because a jihad-enabling state (Pakistan) committed a major act of war against its kafir neighbour (India) and that neighbour did not appear to be responding very effectively.
And some of us, while closely watching what happens in Gaza, are not forgetting to keep a weather eye on what news filters out from the other fronts - in Thailand, for example, where jihad raiders killed five people not very long ago, and the Philippines.
Unfortunately, the toings and froings of the useless 'peace processes' there, and the atrocities by the jihadis, all of which are dismally similar to what takes place on the Indian and Israeli fronts, are given less attention by the English-language MSM, so there are fewer English-language news articles and what there are, do not - alas- provide continuous or properly detailed coverage. Jihadwatch posts them as and when it gets hold of them, and they are discussed just as keenly.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 6, 2009 4:44 PM
Hitler didn't do a good job doing what? Since you cut out what you were originally asking the guy you're just leaving us to assume what he means. English isn't his first language. For all I know he means "Hitler didn't do a good job" keeping Germany out of the war or "Hitler didn't do a good job" as a leader because he violated human rights. Would you prefer "Hitler did do a good job?"
This is a gotcha video with a polemical purpose.
Posted by: Morn at January 6, 2009 4:44 PM
That bloke who hit the camera looked black. It's ironic that once Hitler had finished with the Jews, it wouldn't have taken them long to decide that the Arabs were sub humans as well.
I doubt it, knowing that Hitler had so much admiration for Islam
Posted by: Péguy at January 6, 2009 4:47 PM
"Hitler didn't do a good job" doing what? The guy here doesn't speak English as a first language and you're making us assume what he means. He could mean Hitler didn't do a good job as a leader because he launched a genocideal war or Hitler didn't do a good job because he left Germany and Europe worse than he found it.
Posted by: Morn at January 6, 2009 4:47 PM
gravenimage
I'm amazed by what you've done with that idea I threw out.
I had a look at your preliminary portrait of Wafa Sultan.
It's beautiful. I'll look forward to seeing what you do next.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 6, 2009 4:49 PM
Don't forget Mauritania, Gravenimage, or the Emirates. It is also interesting to note that, while Christianity and Judaism didn't end slavery, they sure as hell tried. Abolition and manumission are foundational to both Christianity and Judaism. Centuries, millenia even, prior to the advent of Islam, well-founded, legitimate religions existed which tried to end slavery.
Then came along Islam, with all its racism, all its supremacy, and Sharia, which has ever since required every Muslim woman, little girl, and female baby to live her life as a sex slave or starve to death.
Islam ended slavery my ass. Islam guaranteed that more than half the population would be forever enslaved under its sicko-pervert laws.
Posted by: jdamn at January 6, 2009 4:50 PM
gravenimage - I probably should have said 'proposed' or 'threw off' rather than 'threw out' (meaning 'produce, put forward, come up with'). It's early morning here and my phraseology isn't always what it should be.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 6, 2009 4:52 PM
Morn
Are you purposefully blind to context? These people were not there to voice opposition to the historical atrocities of Nazi, you know that, right? Otherwise, you must an Islamist or an apologist.
at January 6, 2009 4:53 PM
Morn
Are you purposefully blind to context? These people were not there to voice opposition to the historical atrocities of Nazi Germany, you know that, right? Otherwise, you must an Islamist or an apologist.
at January 6, 2009 4:53 PM
"Hitler didn't do a good job" doing what? The guy here doesn't speak English as a first language and you're making us assume what he means."
Posted by Morn
Uh, Morn - I think you left a letter out of your screen name. Surely it should be MORON???
Posted by: ImNoDhimmi at January 6, 2009 5:10 PM
Morn , Occam's Razor?
Posted by: interestinconundrum at January 6, 2009 5:11 PM
Probably trying to say that "Hitler didn't finish the job" as muslim scum in Germany loves to spew out of it's mouth.
Posted by: bonncaruso at January 6, 2009 5:13 PM
I think morn might be right.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ISLAMOPHOBES JUMP TO IMPROPER CONCLUSIONS HERE BUNCH OF BIGOTS.
I am sure the jihadists [jihad meaning peace and love] meant hitlers innability to gaRDEN.\
I mean look at germany after world war 2 the worst gardens in the world.
Thanks morn for showing these islamaphobes where there at.
p.s. dear jihad watch opinioners just yes the fruit cakes to death obviously they are not well right in the head a bit touched ya know what i mean.
Posted by: spcbat at January 6, 2009 5:14 PM
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
gravenimage
I'm amazed by what you've done with that idea I threw out.
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Thank you so much, DDA, that means a lot to me.
So many brave anti-Jihadists have inspired me--Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Dr. Daniel Pipes, Mark Steyn, Geert Wilders, David Littman, cartoonist Kurt Westergaard, and, of course, Robert Spencer. I'm not going to run out of material any time soon--yay!
Posted by: gravenimage
at January 6, 2009 5:38 PM
For all you Brits: U.K. rally for Israel:
London, England
Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009
Time: 10:30am - 12:00pm
Location: TRAFALGAR SQUARE
City/Town: London, United Kingdom
at January 6, 2009 5:50 PM
This just in off Foxnews.com
"Arab nations propose U.N. resolution for truce in Gaza, international force to protect Palestinians"
Protect Palestinians?
Protect Palestinians?
Are you kidding me?
How about an international force to protect the Israelis from the Hamas rocket attacks that started this situation?
Posted by: Captain America at January 6, 2009 6:26 PM
"For the flight and fall of the other villages it is our leaders who are responsible because of their dissemination of rumors exaggerating Jewish crimes and describing them as atrocities in order to inflame the Arabs ... By spreading rumors of Jewish atrocities, killings of women and children etc., they instilled fear and terror in the hearts of the Arabs in Palestine, until they fled leaving their homes and properties to the enemy."
– The Jordanian daily newspaper Al Urdun, April 9, 1953.
Yeah but I'm still gonna trust Mikhail's list instead.
at January 6, 2009 6:29 PM
bigbadsnortinhippo
it's good to hear of the pro-Israel (and, therefore, ANTI-JIHAD) rallies taking place in NYC and London. I hope all UK and NYC jihadwatchers will be taking part. I'll pray for a good rollup.
At some rallies people have worn blue, white, blue and white. This is a good idea. However: saffron in honour of India (also a major target of jihad) could also be worn, and lotus flowers (national flower of India; also symbol of Buddhism which is being attacked by Muslims in southern Thailand) could be carried along with Stars of David.
Below I shall re-post some advice Mr Fitzgerald posted on New Years Day, as rallies began to get under way: lots of good ideas for those planning to attend, as you sit down to prepare your placards and print off your pamphlets and leaflets.
MR FITZGERALD'S VADEMECUM FOR THE WOULD-BE PROTESTER AGAINST JIHAD
"The signs that are prepared for these demonstrations in support of Israel, and against Hamas, should be more than the usual, and not very effective "No To Hamas" or "We Stand With Israel" stuff.
"That doesn't do much good.
"What would do a lot of good is for there to be prepared, at each demonstration,
"signs that contain quotes from the Qur'an,
those that call for killing the Unbeliever,
and warning Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as friends, and so on,
"and then a few choice Hadith will also work magic.
"It would also be good to have demonstrators with [placards with] bits and pieces of the Hamas Charter written on them.
"And, in addition to these revealing bits of Islamic texts,
and Hamas' use of those texts,
"there should be signs that give specific information about what has happened.
"That is, not signs that say "Stop the Hamas Rockets on Civilians" but something like:
"6,000 rockets have rained down on Israeli cities and towns from Hamas in the last two years. What country on earth would stand for this?"
"Here are a few Qur'anic passages to look up and use:
9.5 (jihad against non-Muslims),
9.25 (ditto),
3.11 (the superiority of non-Muslims),
5.51 (Muslims not to take Jews and Christians as friends),
33.61 (describing Infidels as the Cursed Ones whom Believers are to seize and kill without pity),
47.4 (smiting the Unbelievers around the neck)
As for Hadith –possibly Bukhari LVIII 236, or LII 260, or Muslim XVII 4216, could be the basis of a starter-kit for your Poster Project.
"You will be doing many things.
"You will substitute for the bland and unhelpful and unc0nvincing “Stop Hamas” something deeper, something that will stick in the minds of those taking part in the demonstration, and all those who see the demonstration, and those who film the demonstration, and those reporters who will cover the demonstration.
"It forces them to start finding out about Islam – or otherwise simply [start] looking like fools.
"You will also be relating the Arab war against Israel, to Islam.
"And that is why other posters should bear such slogans as “The Jihad against Israel has no end” or – and this appears to contradict the first, but let’s call it a pious if naïve and hopeless hope, “Stop the Jihad” or “Stop the World-Wide Jihad.”
"Other posters might bear a list of cities:
"New York and Washington 9/11/2001, London 7/7/2005, and Amsterdam (date of killing of Van Gogh), Madrid (bomb on the subway and at Atocha station), Beslan (the school), Moscow (the theatre), Mumbai (everywhere), and so on. {NOTE - I would suggest carrying the flags of those countries - UK, Netherlands, Spain, Russia, India, Thailand - that have suffered from particularly nasty jihadist assaults - dda}.
"Make that list comprehensive.
"And make sure that there are as many representatives of those who are among the first victims of Jihad today, as possible –
"Hindus, black Africans from the Sudan or from southern Nigeria,
"possibly a Thai Buddhist with a sign about the Muslim decapitations of Buddhists in southern Thailand, Copts and Maronites if they dare to come, and so on =--- -- in other words, hit the Muslim side with everything.
"And keep at it, and don’t stop.
"You will start the education of the Infidel public.
"And you will drive some among your sinister enemies absolutely hysterical, but what can they do?
"Can they deny that those Qur’anic passages exist, exactly as you have put them up?
"Can they deny the “autheniticity” of Hadith that the greatest muhaddithin, Bukhari and Muslim, deemed authentic?
Can they deny the bloodcurdling words of the Hamas Charter?
"Oh, and f0r good measure, why doesn’t someone put on a poster the Zuhair Mohsen quote about the propagandistic origins of the “Palestinian people.”
"And finally, make sure that you have a poster that lists the tonnage of the trucks that have continually supplied, from Israel – not a truck has come in from the Arab Republic of Egypt – even during the so-called “ceasefire” that Hamas was breaking all along.
"Other posters can ask:' Is Israel required to supply goods and services for those who wish to destroy it, and are doing their best to do so? Why?'
"In other words, something more than the usual “We Support Israel” should be done.
A little thought, a little imagination – it can go a long way, in this as in all other things."
Posted by: Hugh at January 1, 2009 9:29 PM
I suggest that anyone and everyone here who has a rally to go to, or who knows anyone who is organising such a rally, should print off Hugh's advice as given in the posting I have re-posted, and...use it.
I have a further thought: in capital cities, for example in Canberra, Australia, where embassies of different countries are in close enough proximity that one can walk from one to another in the course of a morning or an afternoon, a counter-Jihad march could take place, all decently and in order, from one embassy to another of all those kafir-majority countries that have been afflicted by jihadist assaults, or jihadist revolts, or jihadist attacks upon - and threats to - their citizens:
one could begin at, say, India, laying a wreath in memory of the victims of the jihad raids at Mumbai and New Delhi and Mumbai and Jaipur, etc.; and stroll from thence to others, say, to Russia (remembering Beslan) and Yugoslavia/ Serbia and Thailand and the Philippines and East Timor/ Timor Lorosae, and Australia (because of Bali, and assorted foiled plots), and Spain, and Denmark (because of the plots to kill Mr Westergaard), and the Netherlands, and the UK, and so on, concluding with the main event (on this occasion) outside the Israeli embassy, but having delivered appropriate messages and made appropriate statements outside each of the previous 'stops'.
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 6, 2009 6:37 PM
At this juncture, since A. M has published his list of lies and half-truths about recent history in and around the land of Israel,
it may be worthwhile, for the benefit of new visitors, to post a lengthy footnote from chapter 12 'with the Arabs in Jerusalem' of John Roy Carlson's "From Cairo to Damascus" (1951). Carlson was personally in the thick of things during the 1948 war; mostly undercover on the Arab Muslim side, posing as a pro-Muslim Nazi sympathiser.
From the text proper:
'Some fifty thousand Arabs had fled Jaffa'.
CARLSON'S NOTE:
"This flight-psychosis, which prevailed among the Arabs and ultimately resulted in the frantic exodus of many Moslems and Christians, is a difficult phenomenon to explain. It was a mass hysteria induced by poor morale *and by fear of revenge and retributiion for the Arab massacres and lootings from 1920 on* {my emphasis added - dda}.
"Arab leaders - particularly in the Mufti's Higher Committee - urged residents to clear the fighting areas, promising them that Palestine would be cleared of Jews within thirty days after the Mandate ended. After the Jews had been pushed into the sea, Arab leaders said, Palestinians could return to their homes and at the same time share in Jewish booty. *They implied that those who refused to leave were pro-Zionist; such people were threatened with retribution.* {my emphasis added - dda}
"In contrast, I [Carlson] know of instances where the Jews begged the Arabs, particularly the Christian elements, to remain, guaranteeing their safety and full respect for property.
"These Christians, however, joined the fleeing Moslems, *fearing the promised retribution following the promised Arab victory* {my emphasis added - dda}.
"As an instance, the Armenians, who had always got along well with Arab and Jew alike, joined the panicky Moslems, *horror-stricken by the memory of the Turkish massacres* {my emphasis added - dda}.
"Wealthy merchants, physicians, bankers, politicians and other leaders were the first to leave. Later came the poorer elements until, by the time the Mandate expired, those remaining were largely only the ill and the aged, *the looters*, and the innocents.
"The exodus figure of 750 000 or more Arabs is sheer propaganda, a fictional number that cannot be supported by the facts. The populace in the country from Jerusalem north to Jericho was not disturbed by the fighting, nor were the Arabs and Christians resident in the congested areas within the quadrangle formed by Ramallah, Tulkarm, Jenin, and Nablus - Palestinian territory now annexed by Jordan.
"It must also be pointed out that many of the Moslem so-called refugees were homeless, nomadic wanderers in the first place. *Poor, nonrefugee Arabs, such as those in Gaza {NOTA BENE - dda}, have claimed refugee status in order to qualify for American aid* {my emphasis added - dda}."
END QUOTE FROM CARLSON
"
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at January 6, 2009 6:58 PM
The violence of that guy to a very simple question says it all... doesn't it?
I must say, the blinkers are now completely torn from my eyes. I had the naive hope and took great comfort in the fact that screaming Muslim hordes was a phenomenon only seen in other countries... Not Canada! Well... another milestone reached! They're here. And I so loved our country for its quiet civility. I used to think Canada was just ten years behind Europe.... make that nine and counting down.
Obviously these scary masses are totally oblivious to the inverse relationship between the increasing shrillness of their screaming rants and the justness of their cause. Funny how that works!
Posted by: las at January 6, 2009 9:11 PM
Since Adam was a Muslim, then Muslims started slavery. (smile) They cannot have it both ways. If the firsdt people were Muslims then Muslims started slavery. It is amazing how only Hebrews are the only ones mentioned as Muslims and prophets. Muhammad never mentioned Pharoah, Syrians, Babylonians, Jordanians, all of which were around. Muhammad tried to steal the Jewish history and replace it as his own. If one reads the Talmud, you will see how Muhammad twisted every law written by rabbis and reversed it to fit Islam. If Allah is God, didnt he know tha the Talmud was written by two rabbis 600 years before Muhammad was born. Didnt Allah know the earth was round Isaih 40:22? Quran says the earth was flat. That is why the Spanish and Portugal didnt venture out earlier as Muslims ruled Spain for 700 years.
AM is shame!
SLAVERY IS A PART OF ISLAM SO SAID MUSLIMS SCHOLAR IN 2008! AM YOU NEED TO STOP!
Posted by: tilly at January 7, 2009 5:34 AM
Posted by: tilly at January 7, 2009 5:34 AM
tilly,
In Shaffii Jurice Prudence, Islamic Law, we no longer even translate the legislation on slavery as it is "no longer current".
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
at January 7, 2009 1:33 PM
Posted by: dumbledoresarmy at January 6, 2009 6:58 PM
“At this juncture, since A. M has published his list of lies and half-truths about recent history in and around the land of Israel,”
I guess Robert has started his attack against free speech and truth since he wiped the post off the board.
It was the truth, cold hard facts…here is a litmus, let’s test it:
The UN Report Prepared in 1948 for Ralphe Bunche, New UN Commissioner to Palestine.
Foreword: In view of the tragic assassination of Count Folke Bernadotte by identified Jewish terrorists on September 17 of this year, the following report has been prepared for the use of Dr. Bunche, Count Bernadotte's immediate replacement.
This report is a compilation of all identified terrorist attacks on British, American and Arab individuals and entities from the assassination of the British Resident Minister in the Middle East on November 6, 1944 by members of the terrorist Jewish Stern gang to the assassination of Count Bernadotte on September 17, 1948 by members of this same gang of fanatics.
The confession says it all:
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THE MURDERERS OF FOLKE BERNADOTTE MAKE A PUBLIC CONFESSION
Yehoshua Cohen (died in 1986),commando expert for Stern Gang
http://jaxrevenge.blogspot.com/2007/12/yehoshua-cohen-died-in-1986commando.html
THE MURDERERS OF FOLKE BERNADOTTE MAKE A PUBLIC CONFESSION
On September 11, 1988, 40 years after the murder of Bernadotte, the Israeli daily newspaper "Yediot Ahronot" came out with an article written by the paper’s political reporter, Ronni Shaked. For the first time since the murder, the men who did the killing came forward and told in detail how the murder took place. Yehoshua Zetler, the commander of the Jerusalem unit of the Stern Gang in 1948 proudly told how he plotted and had Bernadotte killed. When he was asked, "If you could relive your life, would you still have murdered the UN diplomat?" He stated, "There would be no hesitation; the UN diplomat had to be killed in order to safeguard the nation of Israel."
What is important for the reader in 2003 to know is that this murder was well thought out and that it was approved by two well known Jewish leaders, each of whom held the post of prime minister of Israel, Menachem Begin (1983-1984) and Yizhak Shamir (1986-1990). At the time of the murder, Begin was the commander of the Irgun and Shamir the head of the Stern Gang.
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That is right.
The very first comment in the report is absolutely undeniably true.
Now for the TEST…
Okay Robert, is it time for the selective editing of the truth to occur?
Have you suddenly allowed only “certain free speech?”
Truth
Abdullah Mikail
at January 7, 2009 1:35 PM
AM
no you wont get away with that nonsense. 2 million black Africans are slaves right now in Africa and you live the free life in America. Slavery is still Islamic, so says Islamic scholars. All over Africa, Arab, best of allah, men sell slaves. White slaves are called mamluks and black slaves are called abeds. Muslims in america have been suded and jailed for slavery. SO STOP THE CRAP MAN.
at January 7, 2009 3:36 PM
AM -- go tinker in your garage, or something, you would be much more useful there.
Posted by: champ at January 8, 2009 12:01 AM
Abdullah Mikail; mad dog mo was also a mass murdering serial rapist and paedophile. Get your head around that and then tell me that any god would pick him to be a {let alone the} prophet.
Posted by: fightback at January 9, 2009 2:23 AM
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