When you emulate a thug and criminal then that is what Mohammedans behave like. They love their mass murdering, mass rapist, pedophile prophet. That is what they aspire to. Their greatest achievement in life is to aspire to the thuggish and evil ways that Mohammedan criminal par excellence exemplified. That is why many Islamic countries are so messed up it is pathetic.

Posted by: savsiv at January 6, 2009 8:31 PM

OT

Robert, saw your pic at Atlas in the Big Apple today at the pro-Isreali protest. Can you please give us a first hand account of your observations?

It is so encouraging to see so many pro-Isreali supporters after weeks of so many pictures of pro-Palistiaian protests. Were you also encouraged by the turnout?

Posted by: USorThem at January 6, 2009 8:31 PM

The past several days -- I've lost track of how many days exactly -- have been downright surreal for me as I've read various articles and watched videos on the web. The hatred on the faces and in the eyes of these pro-Hamas demonstrators!

Whatever happened to "Never again"?

Posted by: Always On Watch at January 6, 2009 9:11 PM

Those deluded Palestinians full of such hatred need to GROW UP and realize that they can't have everything they want in life

Posted by: freedomcrusader1 at January 6, 2009 9:31 PM

Hello AOW, I couldn't agree more. I cannot believe the overt anti-Semitism that has been exhibited lately...frankly even before Israel started to fight back against Hamas.

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at January 6, 2009 9:34 PM

And they would like to become part of the European Union. With the attitude Turkey has I hope it will never happen.
So Europe don't get too many people with the Islam religion in your government.
The USA should have never let that Senator who converted to Islam in the Senate.
He is nothing but a traitor to the US.

Posted by: Maria at January 6, 2009 9:37 PM

What is it with this Muslim mob behaviour?

It's like a pack of starving, savage beasts about to be fed, fighting and jockeying for position, itching for a way to attack its feeder and break out of its cage. And it's like it's happening simultaneously in zoos all around the world, as if it has to do with the position of the moon or some force unseen, but sensed, by humans.

It's just a question of which animal feeder will fall first.

I know: let's send our academics and union leaders out to the zoos to study the phenomenon and the media can go, too, to report on their findings.

In the meantime, let's put our police and governments on high alert so they're ready for when the fat beasts come waddling our way.

Posted by: Josephine at January 6, 2009 9:41 PM

maria, what senator converted to islam?

thanks

Posted by: eve_anne_gelical at January 6, 2009 9:44 PM

And this from the same country Turkey that Pres. Bush says should be brought into the European Union.

I stand with Israel.

I have a strange feeling that we may be literally standing with Israel and Jews here in America on the streets sooner than we think.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at January 6, 2009 10:08 PM

And I thought Detroit fans treated my Pacers horribly.

Mariastan, we have 2 Muslims in Congress, no Senators. Way to take a stand. Against America this time, as if that undermines or compensates for your repeated suggestions that Israel allow Hamas to finish Hitler's Final Solution and that all Jewish life is worthless so they should all lay down and die. Keith Ellison is in a district whose boundaries are designed to get him elected and Andre Carson ran on his aunt's legacy. Few people even know that he's a Muslim. He's in my old district.

What the hell was the Israeli basketball team doing in Turkey? They shouldn't be in Western Europe, let alone that genocidal hellhole. We know how the Turks treated their Armenian, Assyrian, and Greek Orthodox Christians, and since Muslims never change, never learn, never grow, never even question that Muslims (their scapegoat leaders aside) can ever possibly do any wrong, why would anyone think that this wouldn't happen? This was the best-case scenario.

And why is this surprising? Did anyone for one second think that Turks were decent human beings? They exhibit this same kind of hatred, violence, and groupthink against their own people quite frequently. I have read more than one account of stonings in "modern, secular" Turkey on the "Letters From Apostates" page on Faithfreedom, all of them every bit as brutal and unjust as that of the stoning of that Somali 13 year-old a few weeks ago. A bunch of Mohammedan psychopaths with no jobs standing around, throwing things at innocent people, shouting "Allhu akbar!" Women, little girls, Christians, Israelis, all of them sacrifical lambs to these predators.

We must isolate these people. That means not playing basketball with them. Seriously. Dropping a bunch of Israelis in Dar-al-Islam and hoping for the best? That's just idiotic. I find it outrageous. I'm angry at Israel for this. I'm angry at Israel for STILL, AFTER ALL OF THIS, refusing to understand the threat that Islam poses to them. Do they have less concern for their own lives than I do? It is willful ignorance that they refuse to see the big picture: Muslims are vultures who want nothing more than to exterminate them in the most horrible ways imaginable. They should be repelling them, not embracing them.

Posted by: jdamn at January 7, 2009 12:29 AM

And this from the same country Turkey that Pres. Bush says should be brought into the European Union.

Posted by: alaskan1000 at January 6, 2009 10:08 PM

Yes, same POTUS/commander-in-chief: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010917-11.html
.... and why not? Al-Sauds financed the president Bush and America elected him to the whitehouse, twice.

Posted by: Alert at January 7, 2009 1:05 AM

What sort of morons are the Israelis who think that Turkey is a friend? How do they assume that the fact that Turks are Mohammedan has no bearings on how they view Jews, and thereby, Israel?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 2:30 AM

Maria

No senator converted to Islam. Just a state congressman or mayor in Georgia did, during his visit to Senegal.

Incidentally, are you the same Maria as the pro Hamas troll who posted in another thread the other day?

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 2:31 AM

Its not surprising, remember that Turkey is a country well known for soccer hooliganism so its unsurprising that that the conflict will spill over into sports arenas with the depth of feeling involved.

Posted by: Daniel at January 7, 2009 4:53 AM

It is interesting that the official remarks from the organizer of the event (EuroLeague) is this:

Turk Telekom-Bnei Hasharon not played
After a delay due to on-court disturbances before the game, the Turk Telekom vs. Bnei Hasharon game was not played due to Bnei's refusal to play despite clearing the arena of fans. The situation will be reviewed by the disciplinary judge to give the final ruling. Under league rules the refusal to play a game by a team can be sanctioned and the game can be given to the opposing team 20-0.
Tuesday, January 06, 2009
Euroleague.net

Posted by: Leif Hamborg at January 7, 2009 6:52 AM

Turkey is a developed country not like any other islamic countries. Saying "islamic country" is a strange thing in case of Turkey.

For ex. women were granted the right both to vote and to stand for election before many european countries like France, Italy, Switzerland, Belgium...

And is not well known with hooliganism :)
Who found this term. Is it Turkish word like yogurt, kebap?. I don't think so. If you dont know just read ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hooliganism

One more thing, majority of Turks doesnt want to be part of EU. Its useless. Only current politicians wants it to change Turkey into a country that you want to see. I mean an islamic country.

Anyway, I think you will never accept these facts. I am a Turk and proud to be.. Turkey and Israel cannot be friends while Israel continues this violence against to people.

What happened in basketball match is just a reaction of some uneducated people but at least they say and they do something about this violence. They are not in silence.

Finally who saved the lifes of Jews when they are escaping from Hitler?
Think again.

Posted by: Taner at January 7, 2009 7:27 AM

Turkey is a developed country not like any other islamic countries. Saying "islamic country" is a strange thing in case of Turkey.

Okay, Taner, I'll put it another way - Turkey is a Muslim country. In other words, even if Islam isn't the official religion, fact remains that almost all Turks are Muslim. No getting around that fact. And while Istanbul and Ankara may be more 'cosmopolitan' in terms of not being as outwardly Islamic as say Baghdad or Cairo, rural Turkey is every bit as Islamic as, say, rural Pakistan.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Yagmur50313.htm

You could say that it's an isolated incident, but the point of the above story was not the honor killing itself, but the fact that the entire village in question participated in the stoning.

One more thing, majority of Turks doesnt want to be part of EU. Its useless. Only current politicians wants it to change Turkey into a country that you want to see. I mean an islamic country.

Which is it - they don't want to be in the EU, or that they don't want to be Islamic? Although given how the EU has accelerated the Islamization of countries like France, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Turks may be wrong if they think that they have to choose between one or the other. Particularly when the EU has been opposed to the Turkish military wielding considerable influence, which is what has kept it from going fully Islamic in the first place.

And what do you mean we want Turkey to be an Islamic country? We'd love the entire world to go non-Islamic, and Islam itself tossed into the dumpster of history, alongside Communism and Nazism. Point we are making is that as long as you Turks remain Muslims, you can't be considered as allies. Learn it, leave it, love it.

Anyway, I think you will never accept these facts. I am a Turk and proud to be.. Turkey and Israel cannot be friends while Israel continues this violence against to people.

Proving the point you were trying to disprove - seeing the Jewish victim as the predator and the Islamic predator as the victim, you just demonstrated why you Turks are as much our enemies as Arabs, Pakistanis, Iranians and other Mohammedans across the ummah.

Besides, what 'facts' are there for us to accept? You just stated what you think about yourselves - that demonstrates nothing other than exposing what you really are. It's insane for either the EU - dhimmified as it is - or NATO - to pretend that you are part of the West. You're not. And as long as you are Mohammedan, you just cannot be!

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 10:55 AM

Turkey is a developed country not like any other islamic countries. Saying "islamic country" is a strange thing in case of Turkey.

Okay, Taner, I'll put it another way - Turkey is a Muslim country. In other words, even if Islam isn't the official religion, fact remains that almost all Turks are Muslim. No getting around that fact. And while Istanbul and Ankara may be more 'cosmopolitan' in terms of not being as outwardly Islamic as say Baghdad or Cairo, rural Turkey is every bit as Islamic as, say, rural Pakistan. Here's an illustration as to why:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Testimonials/Yagmur50313.htm

You could say that it's an isolated incident, but the point of the above story was not the honor killing itself, but the fact that the entire village in question participated in the stoning.

One more thing, majority of Turks doesnt want to be part of EU. Its useless. Only current politicians wants it to change Turkey into a country that you want to see. I mean an islamic country.

Which is it - they don't want to be in the EU, or that they don't want to be Islamic? Although given how the EU has accelerated the Islamization of countries like France, UK, Belgium, Netherlands, Turks may be wrong if they think that they have to choose between one or the other. Particularly when the EU has been opposed to the Turkish military wielding considerable influence, which is what has kept it from going fully Islamic in the first place.

And what do you mean we want Turkey to be an Islamic country? We'd love the entire world to go non-Islamic, and Islam itself tossed into the dumpster of history, alongside Communism and Nazism. Point we are making is that as long as you Turks remain Muslims, you can't be considered as allies. Learn it, live it, love it.

Anyway, I think you will never accept these facts. I am a Turk and proud to be.. Turkey and Israel cannot be friends while Israel continues this violence against to people.

Proving the point you were trying to disprove - seeing the Jewish victim as the predator and the Islamic predator as the victim, you just demonstrated why you Turks are as much our enemies as Arabs, Pakistanis, Iranians and other Mohammedans across the ummah.

Besides, what 'facts' are there for us to accept? You just stated what you think about yourselves - that demonstrates nothing other than exposing what you really are. It's insane for either the EU - dhimmified as it is - or NATO - to pretend that you are part of the West. You're not. And as long as you are Mohammedan, you just cannot be!

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 10:57 AM

I lived in both rural and cosmopolitan areas. First off all there is no stoning in Turkey. I cant accept it. Turkey is a republic and there are rules. You cant stone someone :) and also its not a rule or part of Islam. All western countries should re think their beliefs about Islam by considering Turkey's situation.

The main problem is that the definition of Islam in your thaughts and me is quite different.
It is a powerful religion that is used by terrorist groups like a weapon. But Islam is not equal to terrorism.

Stoning is one of the worst things that is related with Islam. There is no stoning in Islam too. and again there is NO stoning in Turkey neither in rural nor cosmopolitan areas.

Most of the Turks does not want to be part of EU. Its not related with Islam. But Turkey have to control Islam with STRICT rules. Otherwise we will look like exactly what you say like Iran.
Current politicians prime minister etc. are supporters of EU to get more freedom in Turkey. But if they have more freedom then Turkey will be an Islamic country.

So I think we are all agree about this. As I said Islam is very powerful religion and must be controlled with strict rules. Being part of EU makes a contradiction.
This is why our first 4 rules of constitution will never change..

"And what do you mean we want Turkey to be an Islamic country? "

So easy. Turkey has many enemies. If Turkey becomes Islamic country then it will be like other Islamic countries. poor, uneducated, ... Then it is easy to break a poor country into small pieces.. and even destroy.

and the facts :)
OK let me more clear

Fact #1: Turkey is not an Islamic Country
Fact #2: There is no stoning in Turkey :)
Fact #3: Islam is not terrorism

By the way do you approve what Israel or Hamas does? I dont approve both.

Posted by: Taner at January 7, 2009 12:32 PM

Bunch of fucking kıro!

"Team captain Meir Tapiro said only the police's intervention prevented the players from being attacked.

"The fans raced on to the court and ran towards us like madmen, but the police stopped them. It was really scary," he said...."

Good thing the cops were there to help.

But it is said, Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir, Bodrum, Antalya, Alanya, Marmaris etc used to be great cities but they are being overrun by kurds and morons from the mountains of Eastern Analotia.
People with their backwarded views and laws coming into the cities, acting like animals. Ppffff... Thanks akp, for fucking up Türkiye -_- (sarc/)

But I remember the Turkish national football team getting into a fistfight with the Austrian national football team in 2005 after Turkey lost the match and didn't qualify for the WorldCup in Germany (Turkish players attacked Austrian players). And that was nót because of contempt for jews, but because they were just a bunch of savages...

Some people never evolved... -_-

Posted by: Sic at January 7, 2009 12:39 PM

But it is SAD*

@Taner and others

YES there is stoning in Islam.
NO there is no stoning in Turkey, but it does happen in the backcountry because they don't accept the secular situation created by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, they have their own rules according to sharia. They aren't as openminded. ;)
YES Türkiye is an islamic country because 99% of Turkish people are muslim, eventhough the educated, secular Turks don't follow the rules of islam i.e. They drink alcohol, they smoke, they don't wear hijab, women are equal etc.
NO Most secular, highly educated Turks don't want to be in EU.
YES in the Turkish law the army preserves the right to take over the power of the country if the secular state is in danger.

and finally

If Türkiye remains secular and kick akp's ass and weed out the islamic sleeper cells, then YES Türkiye would be a powerful ally against the islamic world.
The secular Turks NEVER want sharia, they are glad the kaliphate was abolished and they love their freedoms. The secular Turks are far more fanatical to keep sharia out of their country then us Westerners.

Sorry for the double post...

Posted by: Sic at January 7, 2009 12:51 PM

About the Austria match it may be an isolated incident, but we know there is no room for complacency..

and again there is NO stoning in Islam (Qur'an)
but as I know it exists in The Pentateuch (Tevrat) as a penalty.

Posted by: Taner at January 7, 2009 2:07 PM

From the article:
Amazingly, the game referee demanded that Bnei Hasharon play after all the supporters were cleared from the arena, but the team refused and is set to receive a technical loss.

Wow, it seems to me that Turkey should forfeit because they failed to provide a safe venue for the contest.

The EU must not allow Turkey entrance. The EU is as bad as the UN.

Posted by: Richard at January 7, 2009 2:38 PM

Taner is actually correct. There is no mention of stoning in the Qu'ran.

Ah, but there is numerous mentions in the Hadiths.

One Example:

"Narrated 'Aisha: Sad bin Abi Waqqas and 'Abu bin Zam'a quarreled over a boy. Sad said, "O Allah's Apostle! This boy is the son of my brother ('Utba bin Abi Waqqas) who took a promise from me that I would take him as he was his (illegal) son. Look at him and see whom he resembles." 'Abu bin Zam'a said, "O Allah's Apostle! This is my brother and was born on my father's bed from his slave-girl." Allah's Apostle cast a look at the boy and found definite resemblance to 'Utba and then said, "The boy is for you, O 'Abu bin Zam'a. The child goes to the owner of the bed and the adulterer gets nothing but the stones (despair, i.e. to be stoned to death). Then the Prophet said, "O Sauda bint Zama! Screen yourself from this boy." So, Sauda never saw him again.
Sahih Bukhari 3:34:421" and there are many others.
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Qur%27an%2C_Hadith_and_Scholars:Stoning_to_Death

So, Stoning in Qu'ran? No. Stoning in Islam? Yes.

As for your "isolated incident" remark, if you mean for turkey I might agree. If you mean an isolated incident for Muslims, then you couldn't be more wrong.

Posted by: Foolster41 at January 7, 2009 3:54 PM

I lived in both rural and cosmopolitan areas. First off all there is no stoning in Turkey. I cant accept it. Turkey is a republic and there are rules. You cant stone someone :) and also its not a rule or part of Islam. All western countries should re think their beliefs about Islam by considering Turkey's situation.

That's inane: Turkey is just one Muslim country out of some 50, and we're supposed to just take it and pretend that all Muslim countries are like that, when in fact almost none of them are? As for the stoning, the story I cited highlighted how it does happen, and when it does, instead of exposing and prosecuting it, the population decides to cover it up. Being a republic has nothing to do with this: Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Egypt, Syria, Sudan, Libya, Yemen are all republics, and nobody would claim that Muslims don't run things according to Islamic law.

As for Islam and stoning, as Foolster pointed out, there is stoning in the hadith. And please don't start off that tired old line about hadiths not carrying weight - everybody here knows the weight carried by the sunnahs of Budhari and Muslim.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 5:24 PM

Here, I am defending MY COUNTRY as the title is about Turkey. and also defending the Islam in Turkey. I am not defending the rest.
We are different from the rest. Is that ok?
Our republic is different from the rest of countries you just mentioned.. :)
Yes "everybody knows" everything on the west :)
But I think this conversation will never end.
Thank you for all responses. I will not continue anymore.
bye

Posted by: Taner at January 7, 2009 5:52 PM

It is a powerful religion that is used by terrorist groups like a weapon. But Islam is not equal to terrorism.

Islam isn't just Qur'an and Sunnah: it's whatever Mohammedans make of it. Besides, your statement has weasel words in it: no Muslim, not even Zawahiri, will say that Islam is equal to terrorism. But Jihad, Taner - is Jihad an essential part of Islam, or no?

Also, when one see's Jihadi activity in London, Toronto, Ft Dix, Beslan, Mumbai, Yala, Mindanao, Bali, Swat Valley, Ghazni, Nishabor, Baghdad, Mosul, Istanbul, Kosovo, Bosnia, et al, then Mohammedans forfeit any right to presumption of innocence of terrorism. Of course, for Muslims, killing of Infidels is not terrorism. We Taner have a different definition from you people.

So easy. Turkey has many enemies. If Turkey becomes Islamic country then it will be like other Islamic countries. poor, uneducated, ... Then it is easy to break a poor country into small pieces.. and even destroy.

It's only in the interests of Infidels to see Turkey break up if it becomes Islamic. That doesn't mean that Infidels want Turkey to become more Islamic so that they can break it up. Besides who (as in countries) are the enemies Turkey has?

Fact #1: Turkey is not an Islamic Country True, it's a Muslim country: all its people are Muslims
Fact #2: There is no stoning in Turkey :) False, see above
Fact #3: Islam is not terrorism False, Islam is Jihad, and for us Infidels, Jihad, and even stealth Jihad, is terrorism

By the way do you approve what Israel or Hamas does? I dont approve both.
I approve of what Israel does, but not Hamas, for several reasons:

1. Israel had left Gaza 3 years ago - that place was absolutely Judenrein, and Hamas was free to do what it wanted in terms of its goals for the Palis


2. Instead, it became a launching pad for daily rocket attacks on neighboring Israeli cities like Sderot


3. Israel would therefore have been completely justified in using far greater force than it is, and acting earlier than it has (which may have something to do with the fact that elections are around the corner)


4. If the Palestinian people really wanted to live decently, they could have done it by ending attacks on Israel, particularly when every major city in Judea and Samaria - Bethlehem, Hebron, Nablus, Jerico, is under Pali occupation


5. Instead, they chose not to, and elected Hamas


6. Hamas is founded on anti-Semitism (the Hadith about the obliteration of Jews is a part of the Hamas charter). Their goal is more the obliteration of Israel. If Egypt and/or Syria came under the Ikhwan and either country then wanted to annex Hamas run 'Palestine' once Israel disappeared, you think Hamas would object?


7. Therefore, by electing Hamas, the Palis chearly signaled that their goal too was the destruction of Israel


8. Israel therefore acted in the only sane way it could, after an insanely long delay


9. To add to the insanity, Israel continues to supply humanitarian aid to these non-humans, while they use kids as human shields and do everything to maximize collateral damage


10. Israel thus compounds the insanity by trying to win the hearts and minds of people who have neither, and attempting to get the anti-Semitic pc West to like it, which is not going to happen, even if Israel destroys itself


11. In short, Israel is doing anything but fighting this like a war, or else, the entire PA would be done by now

I disagree with the way they are doing this. They need to implement the transfer solution, and expel all Muslims from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and even Israel proper. Maybe send them all to the Sinai. Let Egypt handle them. Or put them in European part of Turkey - I'm sure they'll be at home there, and the Greeks, who are virulently anti-Israeli and anti-West, can then enjoy their new non-Turkish Arab ally neighbor. Just one option.

Here, I am defending MY COUNTRY as the title is about Turkey. and also defending the Islam in Turkey. I am not defending the rest.

Taner, there is no Turkish Islam, or Paki Islam, or Arab Islam. There is only Islam, and every Islamic entity prides itself on being... Islamic!

Yes "everybody knows" everything on the west :)

Not necessarily, but most people in this website are up to speed on whatever there is to know about Islam, Muslims, Jihad, Shariah, and the ramifications of interacting more, rather than less, with the ummah.

But I think this conversation will never end.
Thank you for all responses. I will not continue anymore.

Personally, I think Turkey could have been a fine, even great country, had it not been contaminated by Islam. However, historically, the Turks have been some of the worst carriers of Islam, from the Seljuk Turks, the Delhi sultanate, the Ottoman empire, et al, and picked up where the Arabs left off. Even the Persians didn't do so much damage, and neither did the Mongols.

Nice talking to you.

Posted by: Infidel Pride at January 7, 2009 6:07 PM

Taner states:

We are different from the rest.

Taner's right:

http://www.theforgotten.org/noflash.html

Posted by: Charlie at January 7, 2009 8:46 PM

The biggest virtue of islam is that they are born cowards, they live cowards and they die cowards.

Posted by: American at January 7, 2009 9:23 PM

Taner:

Here, I am defending MY COUNTRY as the title is about Turkey. and also defending the Islam in Turkey. I am not defending the rest.
We are different from the rest.

Democratically-elected by the will of the Turkish people Ergodan:

'Turkey is not a country where moderate Islam prevails.'

and:

"These descriptions are very ugly; it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

It does speak to Turkey's secularism that he can claim to be ignorant of stoning when that is clearly the prescribed punishment for adultery in every manifestation of criminal Sharia. It also speaks volumes about Islamic education that he is viciously anti-Semitic, and yet clearly unaware that the fact that Jews stopped stoning people was the original ostensible reason why Muslims hate Jews.

Posted by: jdamn at January 7, 2009 11:46 PM

Sic wrote at January 7, 2009 12:39 PM

But I remember the Turkish national football team getting into a fistfight with the Austrian national football team in 2005 after Turkey lost the match and didn't qualify for the WorldCup in Germany (Turkish players attacked Austrian players). And that was nót because of contempt for jews, but because they were just a bunch of savages...

You're right, however the opponent was Switzerland
16 November 2005: Istanbul / Sükrü Saracoglu, 20:15 Attendance: 42000
Turkey - Switzerland 4:2 (2:1)
Aggregate 4:4, Switzerland won on away goals rule.

Posted by: Leif Hamborg at January 8, 2009 4:56 AM

Posted by: Infidel Pride
Incidentally, are you the same Maria as the pro Hamas troll who posted in another thread the other day?

I am the maria who posted against Isreals crimes against the palestinians this is a other Maria that you adressed. By the way i am not pro hamas i never said i was so dont lie you moron the only troll.

Turkey is a oppressor country to just like isreal both countrys where found on genocide and theft ofother peoples land I hope Turkey never joins the EU.

Posted by: Maria at January 8, 2009 3:15 PM

Maria:
Theft of other people's land? You wouldn't be referring to Attaturk would you? That'd be "theft" from Muslims.

You still haven't answered how exactly is expected to respond to Hamas's attacks, especially when Hamas insists on attacking behind civilians.

The reason people suspect you're muslim and a supporter of Hamas is because you are being much stronger in your condemnation of the violence of Israel, who is responding (one could say after much patience) to Hamas's rocketing for years. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck one might say. Yes, you have said you think Hamas is wrong, but you then keep on harping against Isreal's "crime" of fihgting back against Hamas' aggression.

Posted by: Foolster41 at January 9, 2009 1:42 AM

"How Isreal is expected to respond" \at the beggining of my second paragraph I mean. sorry.
I await your answer, Maria.

Posted by: Foolster41 at January 9, 2009 1:44 AM