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French President Jacques Chirac, of all people, has "denounced Muslim head scarves on schoolgirls as offensive and expressed concern about Islamic fundamentalism Friday as momentum grew in France to bar all religious symbols from public schools." This from Reuters.
What's offensive about them? "Speaking on a visit to Tunisia, Chirac said the strictly secular French state could not let pupils wear what he called 'ostentatious signs of religious proselytism' and saw 'something aggressive' in the wearing of traditional Muslim veils.
"Chirac's comments to pupils at a school maintained by the French government in Tunis sharpened the head scarf debate in France, in which popular concerns about Islam, women's rights and Muslim immigration have developed into a broad movement to ban the veil.
"More than 60 prominent French women, including actresses Isabelle Adjani and Emmanuelle Beart and designer Sonia Rykiel, issued a petition Friday, urging a ban on 'this visible symbol of the submission of women.'
"'We cannot accept ostentatious signs of religious proselytism, whatever they are and whatever the religion,' said Chirac, who is due to receive a special report on enforcing secularism next week in preparation for a possible ban.
"'In our public schools, a veil has something aggressive about it which presents a problem of principle, even if only a small minority wears it.'
"Critics say banning a bit of cloth ignores the root cause of problem, the failure to integrate France's 5 million Muslims into French society.
"Muslim women and girls argue that banning them would infringe on their freedom of religion.
"Only a handful of schools have expelled girls for insisting on wearing veils, but polls show a majority of voters favor a ban."
Posted by Robert at December 6, 2003 8:28 AM
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Well, the proof will be in the pudding. Let's see if Chirac's government actually has the balls to ban the head scarves. If so, perhaps we can hope France will avoid being the first Islamic European government after all. Doubtful, but hope springs eternal.
Posted by: Doug at December 6, 2003 9:56 AMDear Robert Spencer:
I think that Chirac's government will have the balls to ban the head scarves in French state schools, because the French are frightened by the Muslims who want to impose the Sharia on the French society.
James Lazier
Paris - France
Dear Robert Spencer:
Unfortunately, the majority of the French Muslim leaders are islamists and want to impose the Sharia on the French Muslims.
The French government wants to ban the veil in public schools so as to stop ever-growing islamism in France. The non-Muslim French fear that there might be political turmoil prompted by radical French Muslim leaders.
In French state hospitals, the radical husbands of certain Muslim women prevent French male doctors to examine their wives. Those violent husbands even threaten French male doctors with a knife or a gun...
Medical staffs are now reluctant to examine any Muslim women. They do not want to be killed by their militant husbands...
That's why many non-Muslim French are frightened by islamism spreading accross the French society.
French male doctors need to be protected by the police from violent Muslim husbands who do not allow them to examine their wives...
Regards,
Jacques Lazier
Posted by: lazier at December 22, 2003 8:06 AM
This (a law against the veil) is clearly a wrong way to fight against the less important part of the problem.
This will prevent young girls from radical families to meet people from others horizons, as they will be obliged either to go to confessional schools, or be prevented from going to school, leaving them few chances for a future emancipation.
Many girls who wear the veil don't do proselitism. They're just abiding their familial law. Even if we can find this islamic laws especially disturbing and dammaging (and so I do), there is no reason to impose our views by force to them.
M. Lazier is right to say that most muslims leaders are integrist in France. But this statement doesn't apply to a majority of "muslim born" people in France. In reaction to fundamentalism, atheism, apostasy and secularism know a fast growing trend among young muslims. That's why islamist muslims tend to radicalize their positions.
The veil is not the biggest part of the problem.
In many schools, islamist have obliged school restaurants to purchase only hallal meat, which is a biggest concern, because it obliges people from other religions to deal with hallal meat, and reduces competition amongst meat dealers, to a few ones, mainly under the control of islamist organizations.
Some arab owners of groceries, who have lived in france peacefuly for many years, are now threatened by muslims fundamentalist organizations if they continue to sell alcohols, ham, or others "islamically incorrect" products in their groceries.
these problems are much more important than veil but receive no attention from our politics.
Bravo,
I hope that the French government will enact this ban. Until recently or the last few centuries, most of Europe itself did not live under Democratic rule. This was something long struggled for by many of these nations. To have some fairly recent immigrants or Islamic Fundamentalists, come into a democratic and largely Christian nation, such as France, demanding special privelages or adaptiations for themselves is outrageous. Worse still are their attempts to impose practices and laws, part of Islamic law otherwise known as Sharia in that country. These are laws that belong to the brutal dark ages and have no place in a modern or civilized society. They contain laws and practices which are highly discriminatory and oppressive not only towards women, but likewise towards non-muslims. Go read up on the actual realities of Islamic law and its practices, which are still very much in effect, even in so called moderate states such as Egypt and Jordan. There isn't anything peaceful or tolerant about Islam or Islamic laws, despite all of the rhetoric and dribble that we have been subjected to in the
media from these so called Muslum leaders since 9/11. If not stopped these people will not only intially seek to establish these brutalities of Islamic law first on Muslims in that country, but then sometime in the future upon the whole of France first by threats or intimidation and then by outright terror, including assisinations, etc, which the Islamic Fundamentalists have already long been in the process now in carrying out against any one who opposes them, in countries already predominantly muslim.
i agree with most of you guys but those muslims should be able to practice their religious stuff freely as every other person from any other religion. i know that france is a secular country but those muslims should have the chance to be integrated in the french community without being offended. guys its a piece of cloth that covers the hair its not that huge problem as some people said !!!
Posted by: noura at April 5, 2004 6:09 PMNoura, it would be reasonable to say that Muslims should be free to wear the hijab if they would accord the same freedom to others. But non-Muslims as well as Muslim women have been FORCED to wear hijab in Nigeria, Malaysia, Iran and elsewhere. Freedom should be a 2-way street.
Posted by: Setting the Record Straight at April 5, 2004 8:43 PM

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