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A new policy in Alabama is not in and of itself an example of dhimmitude, but it is interesting to contrast this with the French headscarf ban:
Responding to complaints from Muslims and Sikhs, Gov. Bob Riley's administration is changing a policy that prohibited the wearing of head scarves and turbans in driver's license photos.The new policy says head coverings and headgear are acceptable for religious beliefs and medical conditions, but for no other reason. State Public Safety Director Mike Coppage said his department was delivering the rule change to county probate judges on Friday, and that it would take effect Monday.
Muslim women who had complained were glad to see the state's quick response. "This is a victory for religious freedom for everyone in this country," said LaTonya Floyd of Mobile.
Posted by Robert at February 21, 2004 12:11 PM
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I think this is fair...no face coverings should be allowed, for obvious reasons, but a head cover for religious or medical reasons seems ok to me.
i tend to agree TS however remember there are groups that take a yard when you give them an inch
Posted by: jimmytheclaw at February 21, 2004 2:20 PMFace covering should never be allowed, as was indicated, for obvious reasons. This is fair, but…I always come back to the same concern. Is this a first nibbling away, inch-by-inch step toward the eventual introduction of Sharia? We see what is happening in France. That should be enough to stiffen our backbones and resolve.
Posted by: epg at February 21, 2004 3:50 PMPhotos for drivers' license purposes should never contain head, hair, facial or any other coverings of any sort, since these above the shoulder photos are used strictly for identifying the one who is supposedly in that photo. Any type of covering only distorts that persons features, rendering them largely useless and at best distorted.
Posted by: LilOleMissy at February 21, 2004 3:58 PMheadscarves etc. should not be the rule of law when it comes to identifing photos. as one posted, it is an inch by inch crawl to the destruction of the judao-christian democracey and culture we have lived and loved for a very long time.i dont understand those who come to north america, want to change the freedom we all hold so dearly, its my understandingthose who leave their home country, do so because the desire to live lives in freedom, not to bring their old ways "to impose on an unsuspecting population" i'm afraid this is happining'due to some who take political correctness to an extreme. i feel if we are not vigelent it will be to late
The first time that some one perpetuates a crime in Alabama using said costume effects, it should be remembered that the state itself is complicit before and after the fact of this crime. Being, since the state has agreed to allow features as the colour and the physiological shape of hair to be concealed. Everyone knows that when a picture has to be rendered by an artist or captured by camera, the hair line and hair colour is an important part of identification.
Another thing that is being ignored is that driving with a head covering as the hijab is extremely dangerous. A woman wearing this headgear does not have effective peripheal eyesight. Accordingly if I were a resident of Alabama and struck by a driver wearing unsafe headgear I would sue her for her life savings. I would also sue the state for allowing a dangerous situation to develope.
So we'll see how long this last before we see a huge law suit brought before the courts of Alabama.
Yes I do feel nervous about "give em an inch, and they take a mile"...but also I think by making this the rule(headcovers, no face covers), then for them to ask for more would show that Muslims were the ones being unreasonable, not the state.
I think too that for reasonable muslims, it will show that America is not against them, out to get them, or whatever, that America is willing to be fair...which we are, so when the Imam tells them that America is out to strip the headscarf from the muslim women and destroy Islam, reasonable muslims can see that that is a lie.
Plus one can cut their hair, one can dye their hair, although the headscarf does interfere with identifying someone, I have to admit that.
I just think the benefits of allowing this outweigh the detriments. And unfortunately we have been put in the position of having to weigh up the benefits and detriments of decisions like this because of the situation.
We gotta try to be fair and try to protect our country, it's something every country has to deal with now because of the political goals of muslims, and the violence they often employ to achieve these goals.
We cant give in, of course, but being fair is not giving in. I don't see this headscarf issue as giving in to their political goals, but being fair, whether they will see it as giving in is another story, but we cannot let what they think about this ruling change what we think about it.
Ya know, they want to make us be unreasonable, so they can use that as ammunition to brainwash their masses, to make them think that we are trying to destroy Islam as a religion.
I don't think we are trying to destroy Islam as a religion, but as a political violent movement then yes we are trying to destroy that part.
So to wear a headscarf in a drivers license photo to me, can be a religious sentiment, and not a political one. They may view it as political, but we don't have to let them make us see it that way. We don't have to become secular fundamentalists like France is becoming when confronted with Islam's religious fundamentalism.
We can be flexible on some issues that can be purely religious, but on other issues that are political or violent, that is where we should be inflexible. (and I think we are doing a pretty good job of doing this so far)
Remember that even in Muslim countries which allow women to drive - these women are photographed without their faces being covered. The face must be clearly visible as the driver's license is a form of identification and the person must be clearly identifiable. Also a driver's license is a privilege not a right.
jihan
Posted by: jihan at February 23, 2004 2:18 PMwon't this make it easier for girls under 21 to get into bars -- by putting on a headscarf and borrowing their muslim neighbor's license :-)
Posted by: ted at February 24, 2004 11:49 AM

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