You know Robert, I enjoy this blog, because I think you raise some valid points, but really, why would you post this stuff?

"More than one in 10 British Muslims back al Qaida-style terror strikes on the United States, a poll has revealed"

-- Now, what does this mean? Does "more than one in 10" mean 1.2 or something substantial, like 5?

"An overwhelming 80% say Britain and the US should not have launched the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

That is significantly higher than the 73% opposed to terrorist strikes on the US, according to the ICM survey for The Guardian."

-- So, if I'm reading this correctly, 8/10 British Muslims don't think the US should have attacked Iraq, and this is significantly higher than the 7.3/10 Muslims who think that terrorist shouldn't attack the US. How is 80% that much more significant than 73%?

"Attacks on the US by al Qaida or other groups were viewed as justified by 13% of the 500 British Muslims questioned.

Another 15% said they did not know whether the such attacks are wrong or right."

-- Now if you, as I did, take "don't know" as a yes, then 30%( lets round it off) or 3/10 Muslims approve of terrorist strikes on the US, which agrees with the 73% figure cited previously. Why are they stating the same thing twice?

"However, 47% of Muslims agreed compared with just 15% of all of those questioned."

-- Now this is truly troubling, as it is truly different than that of general British public opinion.

These percentages don't strike me as alarming because there in line with previous polls. Am I wrong?

Sincerely,
Steve-O

Don't you mean "British" Muslims, Robert? They are certainly not loyal subjects of the Crown.

I agree that one needs to be very careful in citing statistics and it is very important to know what "poll" and by whom it was taken. That being said, it is important to understand that if a Muslim is a sympathizer to al-Qaida and/or they object to UBL's methods, but not his goal -- they are not likely to admit that in any "poll" -- they are going to say what we of the West want to hear.

I go to University with Muslims - know them and some are Brits. They belong to the student Muslim group - that group routine has brought in guest speakers of extremely radical UBL infidel hating ideology -- I have attended -- even in the less idelological events there remains the tone of "we are superior" and such comments and I quote, "we don't separate our religion and our politics... don't take refuge in the weapons of mass distraction" and consider this quote which I heard with my own ears .... "the deen for all humanity .... we don't want to be another major religion - no - we want it be the deen" and for all those who don't know what "deen" is -- how about hearing a Hikma (sermon/message) from a Muslim leader right here in the USA -- Raleigh NC as a matter of fact:

In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Definition of the Word Deen & the Word Islam

(Friday speech was delivered by Imam Mohamed Baianonie at the Islamic Center of Raleigh, N. C., on December 27,1996)

Allah (S.W.T.) says in surat Al-Imran, (Verse 19), what can be translated as, "The deen before Allah (accepted by Allah) is Islam". He also says in surat Al-Mae’dah, (Verse 3), what can be translated as, "Today, I have completed your deen, and have completed my bliss upon you and accepted for you Islam as a deen." He also says in surat Al-Imran, (Verse 85), what can be translated as, "Whosoever seeks, other than Islam, a deen, it will not be accepted from him and he, in the Hereafter, is among the losers."

The word deen and the word Islam were mentioned in these verses and in many others in the Qur’an. These two words are two of the most important words in the life of the Muslims, because the guidance, success in this life and in the Hereafter depends on two things: Understanding the meaning of these two words (deen and Islam), and applying this meaning in life.

Our understanding for these two words got weak because of our weakness in the Arabic language with which Qur’an was revealed. As a result, we repeat these two words (deen and Islam) with the tongues without understanding them except for a few people who could understand them as they should be understood. So, it is impossible to apply their meanings in our lives, despite our insistence on belonging to the deen and specifically to Islam.

What is the meaning of the word deen and the word Islam?

To answer this question, it is a must that we refer to the Arabic language dictionaries which still keep the meaning of how the Arabs used to understand the word deen and the word Islam when Qur’an was being revealed. In that period of time, there was no problem with understanding these two words by the Arabs from whom the companions of the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) came. That generation that transformed the understanding for these two words into reality in their individual and collective lives. As a result, this understanding led them to the guidance, the guidance of Islam. This change was the greatest change in the long history of mankind.

The concept of deen: The word deen is used in the Arabic language to give different meanings, most importantly are:

Subjugation, Authority, Ruling and Having Charge
A. He subjugated people to obey. Subjugated here is a literal translation of the verb of the word deen.

B. He has authority over him. Has authority here is a literal translation of the verb of the word deen. In this context, the saying of the prophet (S.A.W.) reveals this meaning, "The intelligent person is the one who has authority over himself and works for the Hereafter" This means that the intelligent person is the one who has subjugated himself and made himself obedient to Allah. In this context, also, the past participle would be subjugated, ruled and submitted. For example, Allah (S.W.T.) says in surat Al-Waqe’ah, (Verse 86 & 87), what can be translated as, "If you are not subjugated, then return it if you are truthful". This means, if you are not forced by the will of Allah in the issues of death and life, then return the soul to the body after it has left it due to death.

Obedience and Submission due to Subjugation:
The Method and the Habit:
Punishment, Reward and Judgment: The Arabs had a saying, which implies the following: you are treated the same way you treat others.
These four linguistic meanings constitute the concept of the word deen in the Qur’an where it implies a comprehensive system of life that is composed of four parts:

The rulership and the authority belong to Allah (S.W.T.).
The obedience and submission to this rulership and authority by those who embraced this deen.
The comprehensive system (intellectual and practical) established by this authority (Allah).
The reward given by this authority (Allah) to those that followed the system and submitted to it and the punishment inflicted upon those who rebel against it and disobey it.
Based on this definition of deen, we can summarize that deen is a submission, following and worship by man for the creator, the ruler, the subjugator in a comprehensive system of life with all its belief, intellectual, moral and practical aspects.

After understanding this definition of the Arabic word deen, we realize that it is wrong to translate it to the English with the word "religion". Furthermore we do not need anyone to come up with a definition for the word deen for us- like many of the enemies of Islam do today- But, we should take precaution and warn Muslims against these conspiracies that are plotted against Muslims to keep them away from the reality of their deen and distort the concept of deen or restrict it to one aspect of life-like they (None Muslim) did with there religion and church after the French Revolution.

It is obligatory for us to clarify to the people the reality of deen in the Islamic perspective, also obligatory for us to implant this reality in our youth’s mind so that they will not confuse the concept of deen with all these wrongful and distorting definitions.

This is about the definition of the word deen, what about the meaning of the word Islam?

Islam in the Arabic language and in Qur’an means total submission and obedience. Allah (S.W.T.) says in surat Al-Imran, (Verse 83), what can be translated as, "Do they seek a deen other than the deen of Allah and to Him all what is in the skies and in the earth have submitted willingly or forcefully and to Him they shall return"

This word Islam had been used in the Qur’an as a symbol for the deen that was revealed to Muhammad (S.A.W.) and Allah clarified that He will not accept from man other deen even if it was from the previous divine deens. Allah (S.W.T.) says in surat Al-Imran, (Verse 85), what can be translated as, "He who chooses other than Islam a deen, it will not be accepted from him and he, in the Hereafter, is among the losers." This meaning is emphasized by the saying of the prophet (S.A.W.) when he said, "By whom my soul is in His hand, if one, Jew or Christian, heard of me, then died and he/she did not believe in that which I was sent with, then they are from the dwellers of Hell fire." (Reported by Imam Muslim)

Islam is a divine system, with it Allah (S.W.T.) sealed all other deens, and made it a comprehensive system that deals with all aspects of human life (Belief, intellectual, moral and practical) and this system is based on total submission to Allah (S.W.T.) alone and no one else and purifying worship to Him, and adopting all that is authentic from the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.).

from:http://www.islam1.org/khutub/Defn__of_Deen_&_Islam.htm
Yes, it was delivered in 1996, unfortunately for us, ideologies are quite fixed and 10 years isn't going to make any difference to adherents of Islam.

The link doesnt take me to any poll but instead to an article titled "Blair loses key Iraq war ally Aznar".

Link repaired.

RS