Can anyone doubt after reading the report cited
that the news media is captured by their own
ideology? Scripps Howard and all the rest are
in an ideological prison that blinds them to
reality.

Or.... they are willing accomplices with radical
Islamists.

Either way we must work to undermine them at all
costs. Their actions are not benign or salutory.

If we are not careful, areas like Detroit will become like those in Canada that have Muslim majorities and where there is an officially sanctioned Sharia Council for 'family' law.

There are no moderate Muslims!

Budd:

Parallel institutions are the necessary actions
if one wishes overthrow an established government.

Establishing Sharia in Western cities is just that
process. By doing this traditional institutions
are deligitimized and weakend.

Witness the communists/radicals in Tsarist Russia,
and of course, the Christians in ancient
times. ( Though I draw no opprobrium onto
Christians ).

I we wish to preserve our history, culture,
language such parallel institutions must
be savagely uprooted.

We must pressure out legislators and strenghten
them. We must not be silent.

IF 80 percent of American Southerners said they believed that the South should return to Jim Crow law, would they be considered "moderates"?

Sharia=Jim Crow.

To be a moderate muslim or a muslim who does not want the Shar'ia law (Allah's law) as opposed to any other man made law is to be an apostate. Many muslims are apostates but they must not let it be known or they and their families can be harmed.

According to its holy books, Islam is the best, the perfect political, social and religious way of life for everyone, deemed by its moon god allah to rule the world. So 81% is no surprise here.

I think it would be interesting to know what percentage of Detroit Muslims consider Detroit to be a Muslim country?

Onward to the land of sand "Muslim Moderates"........they've stepped on our toes for far too long. Time for them to go where they're happy. If they want Sharia there, they want it here, right?

How many of the local muslims interviewed are immigrants with green cards and how many are naturalized citizens?

I would be interested in the answers from naturalized citizens.

The establishment of Shariah in any form whatsoever here in the USA violates Article One of the Constitution. Any movement by muslims in the USA to establish any form of Shariah, even a voluntary form, should lead to charges of sedition.

Frankly, any naturalized citizen to the United States should be considered 'on parole' for their entire life, due to the heavy cultural imprint from the country of their birth. This includes Arnold Schwarzenegger, our California governator.

No naturalized citizen should ever be allowed to become President of the United States. Why are Republicans, like Orrin Hatch pushing the idea to allow naturalized citizens to become President?

Mike H

Mike, in Hatch's case, it is because of Mormons born outside the US.

Two things:

1) I can't access the document through the link provided.

2) The report on the cair website does NOT mention Shari'ah.

Question: did they alter the report to remove the shari'ah question?

It was just a matter of time before this issue came up in the United States. (Don't you hear me screaming. I swore they would hear me all the way from the Sunshine State in anyplace within the United States that implemented or even considered Shariah law.)

No immigrant group can ask for special privileges such as Sharia. If Sharia become a reality in the United States, we will go the way of the Balkans, or of India, that had a multiplicity of laws based on ethnic, clan, or religious affiliation. This would trump the Constitution and the rule of law that we have cherished for more than 200 years. Sharia law can not come to the United States. The United States will to cease to be at that moment.

Superfly said: "1) I can't access the document through the link provided."

I just checked and the link works for me. If anyone else has trouble, please let me know.

And: "2) The report on the cair website does NOT mention Shari'ah."

I checked that too, and the reference quoted is still there in the pdf of the actual report, on page 37 as noted. I am not surprised that CAIR wouldn't mention it.

RS

Sorry - I should have said that people could hear me anywhere within the United States. I am so furious I can't compose correctly. I never believed that Shariah could be a real possibility in the United States.

Every Muslim citizen in USA who swears allegiance to the USA constitution is actually going against the tenets of Islam. Every Muslim is duty bound to owe allegiance to only the Sharia and the sharia alone. Any serious Muslim scholar will tell you that outside of the Koranic sharia, which Muslims consider to be the perfect law of Allah, they should not subscribe to any human made laws or institutions such as democracy as broadly accepted by the west.

Wake up USA!!Wake up and recognize that Islam cannot be treated with the political correctness due to any other major religions. The fact the Islam cannot be separated from state speaks volumes that Islam is also a political idealogy despite what "moderate" Muslims say. It is like Nazism led by Allah. "Moderate" mainstream Islamic organizations like CAIR have consistently attacked and demonstrated against such criticisms of Islam rather than against the Muslim terrorists who have brought about the criticisms in the first place.

Here is a radical and, yes, simplistic idea. Send each radical supporter and his family to Saudi Arabia, the western provinces of Pakistan, or Northern Sudan, or any other "earthly" paradise, to start a new life, at least for a few years.

Let them toil to build up equity before they can even begin to dream about the possibility of borrowing a penny. In the mean time, let them take pride in the fact that their (male) children are showing an interest in theology and Islam: this is key to a great career as either a lawyer, a preacher, a doctor, a counselor, a civil servant, a soldier, a mufti, a strategist, etc.

As for entertainment in the evening, let them watch ... hmmm ... stars, for there shall be no corrupting of one's mind through reading, music, motion pictures or television. Let them place their faith in but a few invariably bearded men to make even the most mundane decision for them. Let them learn that, when they become afflicted by yet preventable diseases, Allah wanted it that way. In short, let them live a life in a constant state of penance and sacrifice without as much as the assurance of salvation.

Then they will come to their senses and want to return to Detroit.

There is a peculiarty about muslims and their knowledge of Islam.

Many muslims can't read arabic and rely on english translations which can result in some translational problems. Or, they get their knowledge from the local sheikh at the mosque who can give any particular explanation or interpretation. I believe most think that if it is part of their faith, the Sharia then it must be good so lets have it without even understanding what is contained it in.

Dealing with this ignorance can be an opportunity to educate them why people object to the Qur'an, Hadiths and Sharia.

As an example, I'm having a conversation with a devout muslim student at my medical school. I seem to know more about his religion than he does.

These conversation occur because they are conducted in a civil and respectful manner. I speak to him the way that I would like to be spoken to.

We occasionally have muslim comments on this site. Unfortunately, they are usually inflammatory. We respond in an inflammatory way. When we do this, we have lost an opportunity to "educate" these individuals regarding what we object to so strong and rightly so in Islam.

I'm not convinced that a Clash of Civilizations has begun but I do believe that a War of Ideologies is raging between aspects of Islam that muslim would rather keep buried and which Islamic Terrorist use to justify their actions and the Freedom and Rights that we enjoy in the US and the West.

When a muslim visits the site, why not take a passage from the Qur'an or Hadiths or Sharia and explain why it is so objectionable either for personal reasons i.e. being considered a second class citizen under Sharia law and our Constitution or Bill of Rights that upholds the equality of all people. Or, simply because an error exists in their faith.

Such as the case with the muslim medical student. I'm pointing out an error to him in one of the suras where God is speaking to Jesus and asking him why people worshipped him and his mother as gods. Never in Catholic or Orthodox or any other Christian denomination has divinity ever been attributed to Mary.

I'm hoping and praying that this becomes the first crack to help him see that this book that he considers to be the inerrant word of God, flawless, is.

You never know what kind of seed you might plant in their minds. It may be one that eventually changes it.

John

John,

It's better to stick to the facts and to avoid anger. But it's difficult in the light of current conditions.
But you're right; it is in the interests of the West to enter into constructive conversation with questioning muslims. We need to spark an Islamic Reformation. We need a large number of muslims to revision Islam for the 21st century.
What would happen if a large number of muslims actively worked against islamic fundamentalists?

Mike H

John - You have missed the many times that people have tried to do what you have suggested. The result was almost never positive. The other side usually began a diatribe about the impossibility of correct knowledge about the Koran or Hadith by any non-Muslim.

I am sure that there are some silent readers that do gain a benefit from our posts, but others regrettably are purposely attempting only to inflame.

Why doesn't the West learn from the Lebanese experience? In the 60s, Lebanon had 65 % of its population christians. Lebanon was Paris of the Middle East. When muslims became 50 % of the population, they kicked the chritians out of Lebanon. That's what the muslims' children will do to your children. One day, the non-muslims will be kicked out of the USA or you will be a citizen of a second class.
Antoine