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Straw man
"Targeted assassinations of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counterproductive"? So they're not justified by the hundreds of Israeli civilians murdered on order Rantissi gave or approved of? If the British military had been able to kill Hitler and Göring in 1940, would that have been unlawful, unjustified, and counterproductive?
LONDON (AFP) - British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw condemned Israel's killing of Hamas chief Abdelaziz Rantissi, saying that such tactics were both wrong and unhelpful to peace."The British government has made it repeatedly clear that so-called targeted assassinations of this kind are unlawful, unjustified and counterproductive," Straw said in a brief statement.
Rantissi was assassinated in an air strike in Gaza City on Saturday night, less than a month after Hamas founder and spiritual leader Sheikh Ahmed Yassin was killed in an Israeli helicopter strike.
At the time, British Prime Minister Tony Blair had condemned the killing of Yassin, saying that Israel had a right to defend itself but calling the assassination a "setback" for peace in the Middle East.
Rantissi was recently named among Hamas leaders whose assets in Britain were being frozen.
Posted by Robert at April 17, 2004 5:10 PM
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London-- British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw apologized today for the extrajudical murder of Reich Protector of Bohemia-Moravia Reinhard Heydrich in 1942. The British government trained, armed, and delivered by parachute two members of the Czechoslovakian Army who completed their mission by killing the top Nazi in Prague.
“I am sure that if we had simply waited for the end of the war, Mr. Heydrich would have been given a fair trial at Nuremberg, and the Government would have been spared making this belated apology. I am glad to say that we turned down several plots to assassinate Hitler.”
Another Chamberlain moment from the British leadership. As for Rantissi, cut off the head of the snake and the body will eventually wither. He wanted to be a martyr anyway… Well, didn't he?
Posted by: epg at April 17, 2004 5:49 PMIn order to understand Jack Straw's ignorance, do google his name, together with that of either "J. B. Kelly" or "Conor Cruise O'Brien." You will then find a Telegraph article in which both Kelly and O'Brien, and other historians, make fun of Straw's utter ignorance of the most elementary matters. One of the items left out of the article, about which I was privately informed, was that Straw's vaporings about "Western colonialism" having "drawn the map of Iraq" to separate "Shiites" in Iran from their fellow Shiites in Iraq. In fact, the most important border, that between Iraq and Iran, was not the product of any Western colonialism. It was the Treaty of Erzerum, in 1847, between the Ottoman and the Persian Empires, a treaty brokered by Czarist Russia, that established that border. But Straw also believes, apparently, though Great Britain was itself the Mandatory Power entrusted with enforcing the terms of the Mandate for Palestine, that Jewish settlements are "illegal." He might take the trouble to read the clause committing His Majesty's Government (as it then was) to encouraging "close Jewish settlement on the land." Far from being "illegal," that is exactly what the Mandate was supposed to do, along with facilitating "Jewish immigration" (the British instead limited Jews, in 1939, at the time of most danger, to 15,000 a year for five years).
Straw is an old National Union of Students apparatchik. Neither Jack Straw, nor Tony Blair (his standing tall is an optical illusion, based on Schroder and Chirac et al being so very short, morally and intellectually speaking) have come to grips with the reality of Islam (see Ibn Rawandi's comments on Blair on the Internet).
There are others, in the British government and in the security services, who do. And they are livid about the Muslim immigration that has gone on, unhindeed, for so long -- and furious about the propaganda that has so misinformed the British public about the nature of Islam, and created the expensive, nightmarish security situation, that Great Britain now must endure, forever.
Posted by: Hugh at April 17, 2004 6:04 PMJack Strawhammed....Tony Blair should lock him in the stock for a week and let every sensible person in Britain throw rotten vegatables at him.
Posted by: D.C. Watson at April 17, 2004 6:07 PMWell, shoot. Do we have to apologize for Yammamoto, too?
But the Tokyo Fire Raid was OK, right?
We are reaching the point of clarity where people will have to choose sides.
Who is the enemy?
Who is the friend?
Who is neutral, and may be influenced?
It's the parting of the ways, and it will be a rough process in Europe.
Mike H
Posted by: Michael Hartrich at April 17, 2004 7:17 PMfrom HUGH --
There are others, in the British government and in the security services, who do. And they are livid about the Muslim immigration that has gone on, unhindeed, for so long -- and furious about the propaganda that has so misinformed the British public about the nature of Islam, and created the expensive, nightmarish security situation--
WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY??
ANd who the hell are they ?
To scared to speak up , i presume.
Like the Spanish Jews hidng from the inquisiton.
While Hamas' Hydra withers its time to whittle down the PA as well ... Start with the glorious head of Arafat and his henchmen. Free the Palestinian people from the ugly oppression of their leadership.
Posted by: Time to Usurp All the Weeds at April 17, 2004 8:54 PMwell said michael, it is time for all non-muslim nations to take a stand and take sides; this islamic menace needs to be stoped. The war has started.
Posted by: christian at April 17, 2004 9:26 PMGood one Jack ,
Could you just tell us the names of the British citizens that you would be prepared to allow this piece of crap to slaughter as he has Israeli citizens? .....silence? why ? so its ok to slaughter Israeli citizens but NOT their HAMAS SOCIOPATHIC KILLERS?
Clearly not ENOUGH innocent British citizens have been slaughtered at the alter of alah or are you like so many in Eurotrash prepared to do a deal with alah in exchange for YOUR life and stuff the rest of us ?
The truth is that Straw is right if you continue to hold to the strictures of national sovereignty and the proposition that you can only war between nation-states and insurgents inside your own nation. This is the Westphalian sensibility first enunciated in the Peace of Westphalia (1648)
The problem for Straw is that Tony Blair has explicitly withdrawn from that consensus (as the US has implicitly with President Bush's repeated remarks that we're at war with Al Queda) in his recent speech remarking that we are moving into a post-Westphalian world. Straw should be sacked for moving against his prime minister's policies.
Posted by: TM Lutas at April 18, 2004 10:42 AMstraw is apparently wholly ignorant of his own country's recent history. the british SAS used to deal with IRA terrorists by hiding in the bushes in front of their houses and machine-gunning them as they came home. but of course, straw isn't ignorant, he's just a hypocrite, like so many of his profession when it comes to israel.
Posted by: ben at April 18, 2004 11:14 AMI dislike straw. Having been at U in the 60's when he was pres of NUS; yet believe it or not, he's jewish; for god's sake don't think the uk is made up of arseholes like this.
Straw is absolutely right.Of course it was to be expected that under provocation Sharons Israel would finally show its true colours.
This is not to excuse the murderous terrorism of Hamas but the Israeli action clearly demonstrates that it follows a primitive policy of an 'eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth',just like Hamas.
As with Hitler's Germany the intelligence and sophistication of Israel is still no guarantee that a so called Western Nation will behave in a balanced fashion.But of course we have seen this before with Israel governments.
I am glad that the rat Dr. rantisi is dead. I regret that he did not suffer like his innocent vicitims did.
I shed not a tear for this murdering terrorist....
When Hamas' vile Sheikh Ahmed Yasin was terminated, the "commentariat" called him "the Palestinian Dalai Lama" (due to his status of "spiritual guide"); with Rantisi cancelled, they're terming him "the Palestinian Dr Albert Schweitzer" (on account of his connections to Hamas' health-care & welfare arms)....
How pernicious they are, painting arch-terrorists as saints and social-workers!
Posted by: HG at April 20, 2004 2:01 AM

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