I'm going to found my own Christian sect, the Christian Ski-Makers of America, and demand that I be allowed to take my driver's license photo in a full ski mask. I wonder if I could get away with it?

Allow Muslim women to wear a headscarf in official photos is one thing, but a full-face veil is absurd. Anyone could be under that veil. Anyone…anyone about to do just about anything. This sets a very dangerous precedent of allowing a special privilege for an immigrant group as well as putting the public at risk.

Naturally, this precedent-setting event will be used by Canadian and American Muslims as an impetus to force state and federal governments to do the same here.

a driver's license is a priviledge - noto a right and such all who meet stipulated qualifications must adher to the stipulated requirements!
first - in many islamic countries women are not even allowed to drive - period!
second - in those where women are allowed to drive, the photos show a clear view of their faces.
this is INSANE!

jihan

why have an id card when the person's identity is not obvious? a monkey could be under the burqua!

jihan

Shameful. In the US we at least have the precedent of the Supreme Court allowing localities to ban face masks in the last century in order to combat the Ku Klux Klan. But as many on this blog have pointed out, we need expert legal help and we need it fast. I'm sure Saudi-funded high-powered lawyers are working on this issue right now in our state and federal courts.

Ex-Muslim friends of mine have given to me chapter and verse about the plethora of criminal activities that are carried out under the burqa in Muslim countries -- identity theft, bad-check passing, bogus university test-takers. And, of course, terrorists. The Chechnyans used burqas to deceive police in at least one splodeydope incident that took many Russian lives, as I recall.

This is complete and uder ludicris. There has to be and end to all of this stupid muslim demands on our culture. The brits are wrong and thay will find out the hard way as we in america will again.

Some stupid Muslim convert tried this in Florida....and failed....an AOL poll had 95% agreeing that this woman had no right to cover her face in a driver license picture.....I'd guess the 5% that agreed with her were both of her friends, muslims, and Hooper.

No Muslim nations require this, the Koran doesn't require this, no Middle East countries that do allow women to drive require women's faces to be covered. This is bullshit. Check this out.

Researching the truth, below is a listing of what Muslim nations require regarding this issue.

DRIVER'S ID RULES IN MUSLIM NATIONS

Saudi Arabia: Women aren't allowed to drive

Iran: Women wear a traditional chador, which does not cover the face.

Egypt: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

United Arab Emirates: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Oman: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Kuwait: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Qatar: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Bahrain: Women do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

Jordan: Women can drive if their faces are covered but do not cover their face in I.D. pictures

With this evidence presented, shouldn’t this issue be viewed as nothing more than a farce? Or should I rent a “Batman” costume for the next time I go to the B.M.V. to renew my license?

This shameful exercise is yet another example of EU dhimmitude. The English, rather than the British, have had over 1000 years of liberty, without the need for an ID card but the Scots dominated British Governments drive to force us into the EU constitution has prompted them to put our liberty second place to all the other EU countries that use ID cards. This current government, and i use the term loosely, has allowed many 100's of 1000's of Muslims into the country by negating all our border controls. They then say that we need ID cards to help fight terrorism, so in effect they create the problem and have a handy solution waiting in the wings, how convenient.

I will never carry one of these documents primarily because i have a birthright of English liberty fought for by my fathers over many centuries and also because i already know who i am. I believe ID cards are compulsory in Spain but it did not stop the Madrid bombings, to board the aircraft on 9/11 all the hijacker scum carried ID in the form of bone fide passports, this ID saved no one, so what are the British government up to? Well for a start it seems they are in agreement to deny the English people any form of statehood, the current British government and the EU want to break England up into 9 EU regions, why, because the English are the only people in Britain who are against the EU and want mass immigration, particularly from Muslim countries halted, this goes against EU plans for Eurabia, mentioned elsewhere on this site. So it is a classic case of divide and conquer they seek to deny the English any unified voice because we are the only ones rocking the EU boat and what the EU, above all else, does not want is a strong independent England with a strong trading relationship to its old ally the USA. The Scots, Irish and the Welsh are far more pliable to the EU view as they are almost solely reliant on English taxes to support their ailing countries and any thought of English nationalism might stop the gravy train of tax money for them.

I want to thank all the contributors to this board because you have stimulated me into finding out much more about the real dangers of Jihad and Dhimmitude and to cut through some of the hype. Your comments are often insightful and constructive rather than destructive, it is good to know that others are awake and alert to the danger while many in mainland Europe are sleepwalking into full scale melt down of the liberties for which US and British servicemen gave their lives so it could be given away so easily, The EU has no honour and the sooner the English can sink its boat the better.

So what happens if a christian or a Jew (or any other faith) wants a drivers license with his/her/its face covered?

Some american indians beleave that the taking a person's picture amounts to sealing part of the persons soul. Will they be allowed a drivers license without a picture if they immigrate?

The bigger the burkha, the better the burhka
The burkhas are bigger at Burkha King!

Oversize burkhas for less!

Excuse me for asking the obvious, but how does this person see to drive a motor vehicle while wearing a tent?

John B: They don't. I have a Brit friend who was nearly run over by someone wearing the shuttlecock. The friend was in a crosswalk and had the right of way. The shuttlecock didn't even stop.

Add being at risk of being run over to the many disabilities that we dhimmies must put up with in order to accommodate good old Islam.

Someone wearing a hood like this in broad daylight might make some people think that they may be on the way to, or on the way from committing a crime, and take action.....

this posting on DhimmiWatch disappoints me.

nothing wil de-legitimize his site faster
than postings that can be construed as *incitement*.

the illustration was not legitimate
and (no offense to the initial posters)
if you reveiew the intial comments
it's clear that fabricated images like this
provoke reactive comments and attitudes.

*blood-in-the-eyes* is not constructive.

when i have the sense that this
site and blog have gone down that path,
i will cease to read it.

as it is
i believe this site
(dhimmi-watch and jihad-watch)
is a tremendous public service,
and i would hope to see it continue in
what i would prefer to see as
a grounded,clear-eyed mission to educate people
capable of reason and constructive action.

spelling correction:

"nothing will de-legitimize this site faster
than postings that can be construed as *incitement*."

We quake at the thought of Anonymous abandoning us.

go get 'em girlie.

don't forget your spear.

When will the West learn......In trying to be wise, they are becoming more and more foolish....

Wes the muppet/troll

The english parliament you crave and think doesn't exist is known to everyone else as, er, Westminster.

Go have a look !

And these English freedoms you go on about ? Mostly bought for you by the blood of generations of Scotsmen, and Americans, and Irish, and Indians, and Malaysians. And a few English.

English Wes:

If you are truly interested in better understanding islam and the resulting islamist threat facing the West, you MUST read Robert Spencer's "Islam Unveiled". It is a simpler, easier read than Ibn Warraq's "Why...", but thorough in its exposure of the medieval nature of the Mohammedan cult.

As for the Scots, you'd be wise to read, and understand, the Declaration of Arbroath (A.D. 1320) before you mindlessly spout off against the Scots. This is a timeless work, unequalled in its eloquent plea for the liberty of mankind. Although lesser known, it is at least the politico-philisophical equal of the Magna Carta.

My dear Anonymous:

"nothing wil de-legitimize his site faster than postings that can be construed as *incitement*."

Incitement? To what? Please specify where I am trying to incite anyone to anything in this posting. I made some observations about the British practice. As far as I am concerned they are perfectly reasonable observations. Nowhere in the post will you see that I asked anyone to do anything, and the only reasonable inference to be drawn is that one should oppose such legislation.

"the illustration was not legitimate"

Please go read the caption I affixed to it, which has been there the whole time.

American Muslim advocacy groups commonly portray any criticism of radical Islam as "hatemongering" and "incitement," etc. Please note that I do not accept these characterizations, as they are utterly inaccurate. Nor am I willing to be intimidated in this way.

Cordially,
Robert Spencer

Just to clear up some confusion, these ID cards are not driving licences. They are cards which every citizen will be required to carry, regardless of whether you drive an automobile. the photo at the top is based on an auto driving licence but it is just a spoof!

Phil

"Just an identity card?" My word how could anyone be identified using that card as all we can see is a blue bag.

"She," I'm only guessing that whomever is under that bag is a she, reminds me of "Counsin It" of the Adams' Family. But this is not a comedy about the eccentric. No, we are dealing with a virulent, evil force that is coming for us all.

Wah,

You are incorrect. The Westminster Parliament is the governing authority for the whole of the UK. There is no political representative body for the English nation, in the same way that there exists a Scottish Parliament, a Welsh assembly, and a Northern Irish assembly. Though admittedly these bodies have limited authority, they do none the less represent a degree of national identity.

"And these English freedoms you go on about ? Mostly bought for you by the blood of generations of Scotsmen, and Americans, and Irish, and Indians, and Malaysians. And a few English."

Ever heard of the English Civil War, ‘freeborn’ John Lilburne, the Levellers?

Susan:

Sorry, but what is a "shuttlecock" - i.e. not the badminton thing. I live on the left side of Atlantic :-)

Cheers

I have family who live in England proper, I am wondering how they will deal with this. The government is deliberately setting up a new class of priviledged citizens. If I were living there I would absolutely challenge this law in public and in court. Plus I would use the demographics of ME countries that do not require the women to have their faces covered for ID or driving if it's permitted. This is nothing more than a covert move on the militant muslims part to further polerize the populations, and harvest more anger.
There will be an end to tolerance one day, I pity the losing party.

John B:

It is indeed a reference to badminton. Some people think the full-on burqa makes women look a great big shuttlecock! (tight little cap on the top, billowing full skirt at the bottom.) I actually picked this term up from a British talkboard.

Maybe it is dehumanizing to use such a term, but it is hard to think of the shuttle-cock wearers as human. They themselves do not seem to object to robbing themselves of their own humanity, so why should I worry about it?

OT

Northerner - you are confused.

Westminster is not a UK parliament since Scottish policy is decided in Scotland.

The Westminster parliament, filled and dominated by English MPs, from which the redundant Scots absent themselves when English policy is being decided, is in fact an English parliament. How many do you want ? Maybe we should dump Westminster and replace it with an 'English parliament'. We could even build it in .. Westminster.

BTW - when you say 'English' Civil War, are you referring to an English-only spat or are you talking about a UK-wide conflict?

I guess your tag here, Northerner, means North English ? ie South British ?

Very confusing ! I doubt the levellers would have saved the English from eg. Napoleon. Even if they'd been around at the time. But the Scots Greys could .. and did !

You just gotta love them Jocks.

I was pretty darn shocked to see what the normal woman of Bahrain is like when I went to this online magazine of theirs. Can anyone say WESTERN? Maybe this isn't considered to be *in public*. Check out the mom-to-be. "We ain't wearin' no stinkin' burqas."

http://woman.alnadeem.com/index/index.asp

Calm down folks, the Saudis are coming to your rescue.

No, seriously.

Saudi Arabia has noticed that their full face veils are security nightmares and are talking to the imams now to declare them just an optional cultural practice with Saudi ID cards for women being without veil.

I assume the UK hasn't gone so far off the deep end that they will insist on being more strict on such practices as veiling than the Saudis.

wah,

Westminster is the UK Parliament. It is where British Policy is determined. It is true some Scottish policies are determined locally in Edinburgh, but as Scotland does not have a separate foreign policy for example, Westminster is still responsible for the bulk of the legislation.

English MPs may make up the majority at Westminster (England has the largest population by far), but Scottish MPs are over represented both in the Labour party, and in the commons in general.

The valiant efforts of the Scots Greys not withstanding, if it weren’t for the Prussians, the Allies would have been in real trouble at Waterloo.

As I recall, Muslim women in Algeria were used to carry bombs and such, under their veils. I remember a visit to Cairo airport in 1980, when all us dhimmis were qued into a long line for hours of interrogation and searches of our pockets and baggage, a whole line of fully-veiled women were freely escorted through the passport controls without any kind of impediment. Some of those "women" looked pretty tall to me, and I wondered aloud to fellow dhimmis if they were not smuggling all sorts of things under their veils. At the time, some jackass also yelled out in English "Islam Respects Women, Islam Respects Women", as if to let us all know, if you too were sufficiently subordinated, you might get special treatment, like the demand to wear a veil, and have your genitals cut out with a knife at puberty.

After the first such female suicide bomber event in the UK, when female body-parts and a scorched burka are found at the crime scene, or when a burka-clad lady accidentally drops her box of hand-grenades at the airport, this rediculous thing will end.

Perhaps,guys,we should be a bit more tolerant here.
Look,if you're a muslim woman,pray to all the diseases endemic in muslim countries - typhoid,cholera,leprosy,shaving scars and the rest,then you end up with a face like a contour map of the Moon and you want it hidden even from yourself.
This face covering is not,as the muslims would have us believe to stop the Christians and Jews from envying their women,it's actually to stop us from throwing up at the sight of them.
Amongst the many successes of muslim medicine over the last 1500 years,such as
..............................*
(*please fill in any you can think of,I can't)(vaccination was known in the Christian Empire of Byzantium,now,alas,Turkey and muslim)
it's a shame they didn't actually do anything till western medics did it for them.
* I've just remembered they're very good at amputation,but this seems a rather drastic step to take for the head.
Or does it?Hmmmmm,come to think of it...

http://woman.alnadeem.com/index/index.asp

there is an interesting poll on there. "Should there be a law about when to beat housemaids".

What is wrong with these people ?

Wah
Oh dear all the celtic victimhood syndrome comming out, go and have a lay down in a darkened room for a bit. If it is an English Parliament then why do the Scots have two sets of MP's for each constituency, one for Westminster and one for Holyrood. How was it that Scots MP's voted on English only legislation in the form of Foundation hospitals and Tuition fees when these are devolved responsibilities to Scotland. The Scots have always been willing to feed from the English taxpayer, ever heard of the Barnett formula, yes independence for England would be a disaster....for the celts who would then have to look to the EU teat to suckle from, but as all the funds willbe going Eastward don't suckle to hard as the teat will dry up faster than a Scotsmans wallet when it comes to buying a round of drinks.

Wes

OT

You don't have to be ' celt' to reject your whining English racism. You should be thankful the Scots float England on a sea of oil and whisky. Come to think of it - maybe you've been indulging a bit too much !

Susan:

Shuttlecock. Thanks, I like that term and if asked where it came from - you get the credit.

Cheers

Bob:

You caught the poll question!

Should a law be created making it illegal to beat housemaids?

That just about sums up the lifestyles of the rich and famous oils nation muslims.

You can tell a lot about a person by how they treat the help.

Mike H

I've never heard "shuttlecocks" used to describe the burqa-clad Moslem women before.

Here, it's not that uncommon to call them "letter-boxes", due to the little oblong that they use to see out of.

Oh dear wah,

nice to see that you are unable to refute any of my points and so resort to the old time honoured scots tradition of whinging.

Beoð ge gesunde wah

What people are doing in their homes is private.
What people are doing in public spaces is not privat.
Which religion You belive in is a private matter.
And Your religion has nothing to do in public spaces !

OT

Wes the plonker.

You've convinced me wes. If it'll stop your belly-aching I'll vote to give England independence from Scotland at the earliest opportunity. I'll even work to persuade my Scots friends of the merits of the case.

We can negotiate about the future export of Oil, Whisky, porridge and of course, virile young men with brains. But you'll pay a market rate in future. Maybe you could approach the swiss for an out-sourcing contract to run the country for you.
Or you can turn yourself into an Oldie-English speaking theme-park, go back to the horse. Your choice.

But please, all I ask in return is STOP YOUR GIRNING.

Now go sup your warm, weak beer and do some Morris-Dancing.

Ceud Mile Failte
Waf

Dear me wah
Still high on rhetoric but a little short on factual refutation, as for your little quip about horse transport here is something you may want to remember...

Oats: a grain which in England is generally given to a horse, but in Scotland, it supports the people.
- Samuel Johnson

Enjoy!

What is Morris-Dancing? What are its origins?

Wes

OT

Keep taking the Kool-Aid.

Interesting you should mention Johnson. Another English bigot, but an entertaining, big-hearted one.

Johnson lost much of his anti-Jock problem when he actually visited the country.

Worth pointing out that Johnson would be unheard-of today if it wasn't for Boswall's brilliant biography. Boswall was one of your favourite people Wes ! Another example of a scotsman saving a bit of culture for the English.

Morris-dancing : (or should it be maurice-dancing?). A disconcerting sight. A number of grown men dancing in pairs toe-to-toe, dressed in tight white pants with bright braces, with bells on their shoes and hitting each other daintily with little wooden sticks.

Don;t know the origins. But it's very English.

After the dance they go off to the village pub and drink warme, flatte, weake olde English 'beer'. And have a bit of sausage, probably ;-)

Thank God there are still a few people across the pond who haven't rolled over and assumed the position. God Bless the English. The rest of Europe will be overrun with these ants without a shot being fired. One of these days the oh so sophisticated secular hedonist appeasers will wake up to everyone being stung simultaneously. It won't be enough to be passive and yielding or smoke a joint with them and sing around the campfire, they will cut your head off like they did Danny Pearl in Pakistan after removing each one of the fingers that offered them the joint that was supposed to cloud their mind. I can hear it now: "Here Mister Terrorist, take one of our slutty women, have some nice food but please just don't hurt us". The Spaniards have rolled over, where did their courage go? Who will be picked off next and run like scared rabbits to sacrifice just a little bit more of their freedom for no security? Belgium?