Only non-Muslims are allowed to say 'SORRY' -afterall how could a Muslim be wrong about anything? Allah would never allow such a thing!When a Muslim dares to speak out on Islam and admits to any wrong-doing, he or she will be declared an apostate and will have to deal with death threats, being shunned by his/her family, etc.

jihan

Didn't realize that lying definitely IS a cultural thing for muslims...thanks for the info...and this from one of their own.

Because the Islamists nave no conventional chain of command, there is no requirement for their "superiors" to apologise.
Ther is no court for them to me "courtmartialed" in the arab world
They, at the very most will be dismissed as "rogue" islamists by any muslim leadrears with a conscience.
What people must understand is that there are no half measures against islamists who HATE US UNCONDITIONALLY.

In the same way that a mother loves her child unconditionally even if he is a mass murderer.
an Islamist hated uncindionally and no amount of goodwill or appeasement will stop that.
The hard pill to swallow is that only in death will that hate vanish.

Exerpt from a speech by Andrew C. McCarthy, a former chief assistant U.S. attorney...

"I can assure you that that five-year-old kid does not hate American foreign policy in the Persian Gulf. He does not hate the intractable nature of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. What he hates is Jews. What he hates is Americans. It is in the water he drinks and the air he breathes. Sure, as he grows, he'll eventually be taught to hate American foreign policy and what he'll forever be told is the "Israeli occupation."
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Yes, we can have temporary, uneasy respites from the struggle. We cannot win, however, until we can honestly say we are turning the tide of the numbers. The madrassas are like conveyor belts. If they are churning out more militants in waiting than we are capturing, killing, prosecuting, or otherwise neutralizing, then we are losing this war.

"It's not enough to deplete the militants' assets. We need to defeat their ideas, and that means marginalizing their leaders. It means making people take clear positions: making them stand up and be counted — and be accountable — not letting them hide under murky labels like "moderate".
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"They, (the muslims that attacked the WTC),were fully convinced that their religion compelled them to brutality. And unlike us, they had no queasiness: They were absolutely clear about who their enemy was. They did not talk in jingos about the "War on Freedom," or the "War on Liberty." They talked about the War on America, the War on Israel, and the War on West. They were plainspoken about whom they sought to defeat and why."
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"All the world was divided into two spheres — and it is very interesting how those spheres were referred to: the first was Dar al Islam, or the domain of the Muslims; the second was Dar al Harb. You might assume that Dar al Harb would be the domain of the non-Muslims. It is not. It is instead the domain of war. The militants perceive themselves as in a constant state of war with those who do not accept their worldview."
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THE COMPLETE SPEECH TEXT CAN BE FOUND AT: http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200405130837.asp

Too much sophism!
Can you say Sorry for putting a disease in the heart of the Arabic world called Israel
Can you say sorry for killing more than a million Iraqi under siege for more than 10 years (most of them were children), and then you say it was for their own good.
More than 3 millions Palestinians leaving out side their country simply because there is no justice that can impose UN resolutions on Israel. (they can only impose UN resolutions on Arabs or Muslims )
Most of you don't know about us a thing , you leave there not caring for anything but your self , if one of you dies you are ready to kill all of us
The daily killing in Palestine so where are you ? what are you doing to stop it ? oh giving Israel more weapons of mass destruction, and the latest tech weapons to kill more !!! that is what you do .
The truth is you are under detector ship more than Arabs you can elect , you can say you hate your president ok say what you want but don't dare do anything to change it.
an American couples told me once that Arabs don't know what a TV is ! and maybe they think that we are leaving in tents and our best cars is camels !!!
how come you know nothing about us ???
how come that you don't even try do something about your ignorance and learn more form the source about us??? a usual Arabic citizen grows up watching American movies (which are full of contradictions) and when he is an adult he feels like an American citizen so we have your culture here and of course we know about you a lot.
If you really care do something to stop the double standards of your government let them impose UN resolution on Israel same like they did in Iraq let them stop the nuclear arsenal of Israel before going after Arabs junk weapons .
You know in Europe they think that Arabs are responsible for the oil prices they don't know that we can't make any decision concerning our oil because the pricing and the money resulting are simply for the US to finance its wars against us.
If you don't grow mature and think wise I am sure that next century wont be yours.
And for those whom wouldn't like to do a thing I say stay home watch friends and sleep cause thats all you can do.

Muslims can't say "sorry".
They can't tell people of their faults, it's 'Sunnah';

Hadith by Bukhari;
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 95:

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying. "All the sins of my followers will be forgiven except those of the Mujahirin (those who commit a sin openly or disclose their sins to the people). An example of such disclosure is that a person commits a sin at night and though Allah screens it from the public, then he comes in the morning, and says, 'O so-and-so, I did such-and-such (evil) deed yesterday,' though he spent his night screened by his Lord (none knowing about his sin) and in the morning he removes Allah's screen from himself."

Regards,
Kc

Israel is the current excuse us by islamist expansionists, for sure, but if you want to confirm Moselm cultural traits against other faiths just ask Christians who used to live in Moslem countries (don't worry if you can't find any from Saudi Arabia, they were elimianted generations ago).

I note the quote offered above by "KC" of Hadith by Bukhari;
Volume 8, Book 73, Number 95:

I Googled for the following words quoted from it in purported explanation of why Arabs could not apologise, viz. "All the sins of my followers will be forgiven...." and found them on a Muslim website which used them only to show that bragging about one's sins was to be avoided, as in,e.g. "did I get lucky with X last night!"

It is mischiefmaking to quote people's scriptures in such partial and misleading ways. If the inference that it precludes apologies is to be justified it needs a good deal more fact and argument to back it.

To S,

Your ranting and raving about israel is typical of a moslem who has been brainwashed and has only heard the arab side of the story. I know. I grew up in a Moslem country.

Let me tell you something about living as a minority in a supposedly "secular" country with a moslem majority.

Our churches have been burned, people killed, people who were worshipping in their own homes with their friends have had a gang of thugs demanding they stop, and when the police were called, they said for the christians to stop. There have been cases where a moslem has a fight againt another moslem, so their friends retaliate, and in their frenzy, they attack christian churches, business, houses. This is the truth. In some outlying areas, the people were forced to convert to Islam, all women and men were forcefully circumcised. In another instance, they killed them all, in front of their children. There are lots more.

How about trying to find more information about what is going on in the world with regard to the moslems behavior towards non moslems. And compare it with the treatment the moslems in the west are getting from the kufar governments.

With regard to the Palestine and Israeli problem, I suggest you go to a library, not an Arab or a moslem country's library, and start reading the history since the early 1900's until now.

Jasmine

To S,

Your ranting and raving about israel is typical of a moslem who has been brainwashed and has only heard the arab side of the story. I know. I grew up in a Moslem country.

Let me tell you something about living as a minority in a supposedly "secular" country with a moslem majority.

Our churches have been burned, people killed, people who were worshipping in their own homes with their friends have had a gang of thugs demanding they stop, and when the police were called, they said for the christians to stop. There have been cases where a moslem has a fight againt another moslem, so their friends retaliate, and in their frenzy, they attack christian churches, business, houses. This is the truth. In some outlying areas, the people were forced to convert to Islam, all women and men were forcefully circumcised. In another instance, they killed them all, in front of their children. There are lots more.

How about trying to find more information about what is going on in the world with regard to the moslems behavior towards non moslems. And compare it with the treatment the moslems in the west are getting from the kufar governments.

With regard to the Palestine and Israeli problem, I suggest you go to a library, not an Arab or a moslem country's library, and start reading the history since the early 1900's until now.

Jasmine

JG

I did not quote this in either a partial, or misleading manner. I quoted straight from Bukharis hadith. The Hadith are not in any context.

May I suggest to you JG that the reason given for this hadith that you stumbled across on an Islamic website was typical of the apologetic answers trawled out by these sites.
Much the same as how they endlessley try to explain away clear verses for slaying all non Muslims etc.

The Hadith I gave is quite self explanetary;
"or disclose their sins to the people"
NOT bragging as you inferred, but simply disclosing or confessing your sins as I inferred.

So JG if there has been any: "quoting people's scriptures in such partial and misleading ways." I think its evident that it's not been done on my behalf.

Regards,
kc

JG

The URL if you want to check it yourself;

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/073.sbt.html

Regards.

What? Where's Catherine, Davo, and Nathan? Haven't they yet found the time to come to this comment and whine about the "lib'rul media" and "treasonist leftists"?

Better get busy, kids. If you want your check from the RNC you have to post at least one whine about the liberals on every comment! So put down "The Turner Diaries" and get busy writing!

Being conservative means never having to say you're sorry, because your have "God on your side" and you take "the moral high ground" and you "know who the enemies are."

You also want women to stay home and submit to their husbands, you want the homosexuals killed or quiet, you want God's Law to run the courts, you want to teach religion in school... wow, stop me if this sounds familiar.

Muslims and Arabs are conservative, Muslim and Arab terrorists are REAL conservative.

For those of you here to talk about Jihadis instead of the "lib'rul, treasonist, fifth column", we'd better hope that the soulless conservatives of the west don't ever realize how much they have in common with their idealogical brothers-in-arms. Or to put it another way, what is the difference between a Koran thumper like Al-Sadr and a bible thumper like Pat Robertson? One is held in check by the US Constitution.

Keithjoy,

I tend towards a conservative political viewpoint. I love my wife, and value her opinion. I’d still love her if her opinion was different from my own. I guess that is a difference between conservatives and liberals. My best friend from college is gay, and despite ten years of knowing his sexual preference, I’ve thus far avoided bludgeoning him. I’m sorry if I disappoint you there as well.

I like the thought that our legal system can acknowledge the fact that it was derived from a Judeo-Christian background, and feel that trying to obfuscate that is disingenuous. I also happen to read well enough that I can understand that the “freedom of religion” should not be misconstrued to mean “freedom from religion,” even though it has been a long time since I set foot in a church. But sooner, I suppose, than you.

I realize that Muslim cultures are very conservative, and that neofascists such as Usama Bin Laden and his allies are cut from the same cloth as Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini. I also realize that there is a political gap between someone who wants to keep Janet’s breast off primetime and a culture that would stone a woman for exposing an ankle. The differences are subtle, but I think you could catch on.

Pat Robertson is indeed reigned in by the U.S. Constitution. If you Chamberlainesque liberals would simply get out of the way, Al-Sadr would have a democratic Iraqi constitution to answer to, as well.

Keithjoy boy,

We have to allow a little liberal wakyness to add a bit of humor to the thread.

Plus, now get your tin hat ready, its a conspiracy of republicans to implant these facist views within the democrat party. it helps divide them. Ultimately, democrats will consume each other with their own stupidity.