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May 26, 2004

Michigan: Despite the outcry, mosque to proceed with loudspeaker call to prayer

From the Detroit News, with thanks to LGF:

HAMTRAMCK — A controversial noise ordinance allowing a mosque to broadcast daily Islamic calls to prayer over loud speakers is set to go into effect Wednesday.

But it probably won’t go into effect because of a petition protesting the ordinance.

But it probably won’t matter because the mosque plans to broadcast the calls to prayer anyway.

Confused? The Hamtramck City Council will try to sort through the mess Tuesday in the latest round of what is becoming a lesson in democracy, freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Leaders of the Al-Islah Islamic Center asked the council for permission to broadcast calls to prayer — a centuries-old tradition in Islam. A prayer is sung five times a day to invite Muslims to pray. They’re often broadcast by loud speaker in predominantly Muslim countries, but are seldom broadcast in the United States.

The council wrote and approved an amendment to the city’s noise ordinance, sparking waves of outrage from Christian groups across the country that claimed Hamtramck was giving special rights to Muslims.

Last week, citizens turned in petitions with an estimated 630 signatures asking that the noise ordinance amendment be suspended. If 552 of the signatures are certified by the city clerk’s office, then the council Tuesday will be required to reconsider the amendment.

The council could vote down the amendment — which seems unlikely — because the amendment has passed unanimously several times.

If the council votes to approve the amendment, it still doesn’t go into effect. Instead, the amendment would be put on hold until it can be put on a ballot for city voters to consider.

All the political gyrations may not matter.

Masud Kahn, the associate imam of the mosque, said the mosque will begin the calls to prayer Friday, as planned, no matter what happens with the petition and the council.

Kahn and council President Karen Majewski say the mosque didn’t need the city’s permission to broadcast the calls to prayer in the first place.

Because the mosque is a religious institution and because it is broadcasting from its own property, the city has no control over the calls to prayer beyond regulations contained in the noise ordinance.

Posted by Robert at May 26, 2004 8:49 AM
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This call to prayer is an unnecessary situation. If Muslims don't know when they're supposed to pray by now, then they never will.

There is no reason why an entire city should be forced to endure this howling over loud speakers five times per day. It's ridiculous and town council should be ashamed for ever allowing it in the first place.

There's a Muslim that sits on this council from what I hear. Enough said I guess. This could be viewed as yet another example of Islam trying to jam its beliefs down America's throat.

I hope this gets voted down, and the howls of Islam are silenced.

Posted by: DCWatson at May 26, 2004 9:16 AM

Would any other religion be permitted to make this noise 5 times a day every day? I think not. In an era when church bells are silenced on Sundays because of complaints, why the special exemptions for Muslims?

I had the misfortune to live for a number of years near a mosque in Luton, Britain, which allowed the broadcasting of this racket. The whole thing even then smacked of nothing but Islamic triumphalism.

Posted by: Northerner at May 26, 2004 9:41 AM

I believe the exact time of the Muslim prayers change from season to season as they are tied into the daily movements of the sun. (For example, the evening prayer is supposed to be said when a black thread cannot be distinguished from a white thread by the human eye -- obviously this is later in summer than in winter.)

So therefore Muslims don't really know the exat times to pray from season to season and it seems really important for them to get it exact right to the minute. However there are websites and printed prayer timetables available to guide Muslims. The call to prayer by loudspeaker is therefore not necessary, and is simply an example of Islam marking its territory and establishing its "supremacy" over the infidels. The fact that they are willing to go ahead and do it despite widespread community opposition speaks volumes about this Muslim community's "commitment to peace."

Posted by: Susan at May 26, 2004 9:56 AM

Where is the mighty ACLU? If this were a little child reading a bible story in school they would be all over it.

Posted by: Carolyn at May 26, 2004 10:48 AM

Just microchip them all and give them a little frisson at the right time of day.

What were watches with timers invented for if not exactly this--and to take medicine, both of which seem indicated here. Heavy sedation would go a long way toward the comfort of the rest of us.

Everyone whose patience has about run out raise their hand.

Posted by: whistling dixie at May 26, 2004 11:30 AM

How about ankle bracelets that can give them a jolt when its time to bend over...why should the people of that town have to hear a cat being tortured 5 times a day.

Posted by: USAgirl at May 26, 2004 12:25 PM

Your right Susan about "marking their territory". What ever the muslims do is for the bennefit of other muslims. The loudspeakers say "this is our territory, we are in control." Any effort to put an end to it will be racisist and they will be victims. Liberal tactics and PC at work.
It makes me sick.

Posted by: westword at May 26, 2004 12:30 PM

This is definitely territorial. No non-Muslim is going to choose to purchase property close to a mosque broadcasting Arabic five times a day. All non-Muslims will move out, lowering property values and opening the neighborhood for more Muslims.

It has been nearly three(3) years since 9/11 and we still have not cut off Muslim immigration. The jihadis would really be smarter to avoid an attack on the United States just so they could win by cultural assault and population growth, it would take longer but we seem to be impotent in the face of it.

Somebody cheer me up.

Posted by: Athena at May 26, 2004 2:46 PM


Time to burn down the fucking mosques,a nd kill them all. This is an invasion. If them bastard pigs pull off another 9-11 attack, i say Nuke their fucking mecca, that will teach them about American supremecy.


Posted by: killum at May 26, 2004 2:56 PM

How about someone paying Ted Nugent's new album, at top volume from a huge loudspeaker, during the entire Friday "sermon"? You can obtain a Minister's licence from internet for $20, set up your own "Church of Loud Music Worship", and go into the public broadcasting of your new faith to the unbelievers. Or at least, to time the broadcast of the "Loud Music Prayers" at the same time of the Muslim broadcasts?

Posted by: Oregon James at May 26, 2004 3:05 PM

Muslims can only get away with dominating a populace that has been conditioned to accept anything and everything. The true fruit of multiculturialism is death of identity, at least for the host culture. If Americans don't learn to stand up for themselves now, while the standing is easy, then they are preparing themselves and their children, for a lifetime of second-class citizenry if not slavery, the likes of which will make the antebellum era seem like a golden age.

Posted by: nomorejihad at May 26, 2004 4:36 PM

If memory serves me, the mosque has been broadcasting the Call to Prayer but the petition was to increase the volume.

They are entitled to continue the practice as long as it doesn't exceed the volume level they have been using. The level should be checked if they resume the practice to ensure that they are in compliance with the law.

However, if they have not being issuing the call and begin to, then this demonstrates a contempt for US law. This would not surprise me because muslims consider man made law to be inferior and not binding to muslims because it is not Sharia.

The members of the community could picket the mosque in addition to their petition.

John

Posted by: John at May 26, 2004 5:29 PM

If only nearby churches would start ringing their bells too !
But of course that would be seen as rascist.

Posted by: davo at May 27, 2004 12:12 AM

Ted nugent?

Wanna really make azan "silent." Play Marilyn Manson's Antichrist Superstar over loudspeakers 5 times a day. Muslims would sh!t their pants and burkas!!!

Posted by: Alicia Keys at May 27, 2004 12:54 AM

Doesn't 'freedom OF religion' also mean 'freedom FROM religion'? Well, whether it does, or doesn't, I hope *all* other religions will broadcast their prayers over loudspeakers in this city too.

I agree with Carolyn's post:
"Where is the mighty ACLU? If this were a little child reading a bible story in school they would be all over it."

Have a few Christians broadcast their prayers through bullhorns, the ACLU would sprout wings and fly there to put a stop to it.

Posted by: Sherri at May 27, 2004 3:48 AM

If this mosque proceeds with the call to prayer against the law and the wishes of the community.
I would hope that action would be taken to shut down this mosque if necessary.Muslim are to obey the law the same as all citizens.

Posted by: Lily at May 27, 2004 11:48 AM

What is next? Implementation of Shariah Law in Michigan.
Muslims living in islamic countries dont give out any freedom to Christians. For example, It is not allowed to carry a Bible in Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia it is crime to carry Bible.

Posted by: Sammy Jabareen at May 27, 2004 12:45 PM

From a Dane :
"Heavy Metal" is the answer to the muslim-5-times- a day-song !!

From loudspeackers well placed !

Posted by: vivi andersen at May 28, 2004 1:25 AM

What Is an 'Atrocity'?

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Posted by: Paul at May 28, 2004 9:25 AM

The main thought that runs through my mind is why would they want to do this now? Right now, when many Americans are nervous regarding possible future terrorist attacks from radical Muslims? If it were me, I would be trying to set the community at ease, not ramp up the tension. You would think they would back off a little, or even offer a compromise of, say, only broadcasting on Friday, their holy day. But, broadcasting Muslim prayer 5 times per day, 7 days per week, NOW? It's almost as if they are deliberately trying to be provocative. I really don't understand it.

Posted by: lmc at May 28, 2004 11:17 PM

Symphony for the Guardian of Peace
By Adam Bom

I think every stinking Muslem should be forwarded this, as it is to be their end!

Sung to the tune, "Symphony for the Devil" the Rolling Stones.

Please allow me to introduce myself
I’m a thermo-nuclear device
I’ve been around since World War II
Designed to lay waste to enemy life

The Islamic world will vaporize
In my almighty burning flames
Extremist and Moslem innocents
Transformed into charred remains

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

You invited me on from the Tyranny
Of your psycho Mullahs Vice
Who taught you that Jihad
Is every Moslems duty and right

What you should of known
You were brainwashed for their gain
They raped your daughters, right?
And your sons were offered fame

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But what’s puzzling you
Is how I got into the game

I will ignite with a sunlike light
In Mecca during Ramadan
The Black Stone and a billion Moslem’s
Will burn in a pillar of shame

Your religion is a fool’s parade
Led by men who’s power grows
You live in misery and poverty
While they thrive upon your woes


Let me introduce myself
I’m a thermo-nuclear device
The message that I’m sending out
Is that you all will pay the price

Pleased to atomize you
Hope you guessed my name
But what’s confusing you
Is how I got into the game

Just like Islam is a religion of peace
And all the murdering martyrs saints
As black is white
Just call me Atom Bomb
Cause I’m in need of some restraint

If you’re in my vicinity
When my powers are unleashed
You have only a moment in time
To Plea for a place in eternity
Or change now and live in peace

Tell me terrorists, what are your names
Tell me Moslem innocents, what is their names
You have the chance to stop your apocalypse
I tell you one time, or you too are to blame.

Posted by: Nick Lauren at May 30, 2004 2:56 AM

Muslims have a zillion internet sites that give them exact time of prayer each day.... please don't try and tell me they don't know when they need to pray without that loud speaker. I suggest that the churches start playing "Onward Christian Soldiers" and a few other good old time hymns through their own newly installed loudspeakers five times a day or maybe all day long and then we'll see who wants some peace and quiet.

Posted by: emily at June 1, 2004 9:02 PM

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Posted by: Will Smythe at June 2, 2004 10:04 PM

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