Robert:

IS THIS TRUE???? (From Jerusalemposts.com)

"French publishing house Yves Michalon, under pressure of death threats and internal opposition, has dropped plans to publish a French translation of Robert Spencer's Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World's Fastest Growing Faith. Translator Guy Milliere says that in France it has become fashionable to claim that anyone who criticises Islam is guilty of Islamophobia.

"Soon after the book’s publication was approved in France last April, its translator, French writer Guy Milliere, began to receive death threats.

"For his part, Spencer calls the cancellation of his book’s publication “...a symptom of the Islamic agenda in France and the silencing of non-Muslims as ‘dhimmis’.”

"“What you have here is a subjugation of public opinion in France,” he said. “It’s ironic. If you don’t say Islam is a religion of peace, they will kill you. My book doesn’t advocate murdering anyone. It only investigates questions about Islam, but it is so threatening that they’ll kill to silence it.”

WTF????

(Sorry to got OT so soon, but, if true, this is story is appalling.)

Robert, during the Cold War the American government did some wonderful things. It paid for the Congress for Cultural Freedom, which sponsored symposia by ex-Communists (R. H. Crossman, Alberto Moravia, and others), and promoted the non-Communist parties, including those of the left and the right. And it paid for Radio Liberty (with very nice offices, just off the Englischer Garten, in Munich -- I even went there once) and Radio Free Europe.

And it did something else. It reprinted books of merit that were then made available to Soviet tourists passing through Paris, or Rome, or London. If Bella Akhmadulina wanted a copy of Nabokov's "Invitation to a Beheading" (Priglasheniye na kazn') or "The Defense" ("Zashchita Luzhina") she could get it, and read it on the spot, or take it home. There were plenty of ways to smuggle in the truth.

Now we have a strange situation. The ostensibly free countries of Western Europe, or some of them, will not permit home truths to be published about Islam. That your book cannot be published there is not incredible -- no, what is incredible is that it is not incredible.

Is there no way for Milliere's version to be published here, in what remains of the Free World, and smuggled, or mailed, even in quantities of 50-100 copies, to France? Is there no way that the American government, through some cut-out organization, can help finance this?

And if not, is there not a foundation, dedicated to peace in the real sense (that is, to heading off a major war or cataclysm), and to justice (also in the real sense), or foundations, that will take it upon themselves to pay for such publishing (and why in French only? why not Farsi? why not Spanish and German and Italian and Russian?). Perhaps you do not know to whom to turn. Perhaps someone reading this does.

At least the censorship itself -- a death threat to Guy Milliere? -- should be made the subject of articles in the press. Yes, it is true that Robert Spencer does not share the fashionable views of Salman Rushdie, with his praise of the Sandinistas ("The Jaquar's Smile"), nor share Rushdie's conventional, anti-american world-view. Still, one hopes that noise will be made about this attempt to suppress. Where are the noisemakers? How about you, Azar Nafisi -- you've made a splash (thanks especially to the juxtaposition of "Lolita" and "Tehran" -- had the title been "Reading Pride and Prejudice in Tehran" you know damn well it wouldn't have sold the way it did -- why don't you say something about this matter at some PEN gathering?

I sure would love to see this "peaceful version" of the koran as well. I have 40 Megs of hard space just on islam, including Sufi-ism, and have yet to see other than 6-7 sura's of difference, which really doesn't change the intent one bit. the koran itself is useless without the traditions, muslims wouldn't know which way to stand and pee without them, never mind when to go on the hajj and how to point bums in the air, how to abulate, blow their nose, etc.

As for the question of is the Islamist Jihadi thing true islam or not, I take no opinion. I can't define what Islam is or isn't. However it is not the equivilant of the Xtian loonies up in their cabins etc. The Islamsit movement seems to have very wide support in many muslim countries.

I will attempt to answer this challenge. The first key to disarming Islam is not some sort of alternate Koran. For centuries, any alternate Korans have been destroyed and a myth promulgated that the Koran of today is exactly the same as always, that the book is unchanging. This is a lie which has been disproven by the discovery of early koranic fragments which differ in minor ways from the modern Koran. That the Koran has a history, a history that has been ruthlessly suppressed by religious authorities and secular rulers in the muslim world is a huge deal. It means that it is possible to be an honest heterodox muslim and simultaneously be closer to true Islam than the hidebound imams who preach the cult of death.

If the apostates are those who kill to defend an inauthentic koran, the entire muslim world is turned on its head. These strident apostates have been masquerading as the true believers. Without the authority of the unchanging Koran, they are lost entirely. There is the loose thread that will unravel the Islamist abomination.

In have just sent two copies of "onward muslim soldiers to friend in Paris.
I could not get hold of any french translations for the reasons stated.
Bat ye'or's dhimiitued is available in french and has escaped the wrath of the islamists as far as i know.
We need a french electronic version. the Internet has no frontiers.

allons les Croises de l'islame

BTW on the same topic
Did you know that the french banned for over twenty years
1 Paths of Glory a remarkable 1957 Kubrick anti WW1 war movie that even the staunchest conservatives would approve of.
2 Hotel Terminus
THe most remarkle documentary i HAVE EVER SEEN on the collaboration of THE ORDINARY FRENCHMAN with the nazi machine. by Marcel Ophulls.
The cinematic equivalent of daniel Goldhagen's Willing executioners.

What does that say about Michael Moore's cannes awrad!!!

Sorry
hotel terminus was about klaus barbie
le chagrin et la pitie , the sorrow and the pity was the movie i meant to list.
Marcel's father had left berlin because of hitler.
he made "la ronde" with Simone Signoret and i belive lived in London.

Earl,

It's absolutely true.

Last time I heard from Milliere, he was trying to write a similar book of his own that the powers might find acceptable.

I wish him well.

Cordially
Robert Spencer

Robert - Sorry to hear about your banned book. Ah, the French, What can we say? They do have a Muslim population problem. We can't have riots in the streets. It is a shame, though, that a truthful book would be banned in a Western country. The clerics did say that they would "conquer us" through the Umma and demographics.

Is there another face to Islam that is true, peaceful, and non-threatening? I hope so. But in the meantime, don't bet the farm and be on the ready, because "they" continue to mention conquest whether it be through war or the umma. Conquest implies violence: violence against the body or the spirit..

""Written in Jawi, the book accuses the Thai government of oppressing the southern region and that Muslims should take up armed struggle to fight for separation.""

Seems very reasonable to me. Muslims must be ruled with an Islamic Government under the devine rules of Almighty Allah (swt).

Book of distorted beliefs?...just sounds like the koran to me.

Morning all.
As our wedding approaches it gets more difficult to even get in here to read. And my posting usually add very little anyway.

However! In passing I shall leave a link for any who want to see a bit more of the history of radical islam- and its ties to Nazi Germany.

Enjoy!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/816232/posts

Well, I guess that soon there will be another front in the world-wide Jihad, this time in southern Thailand. There, the jihadis and shahids can blow themselves up in market places and kill Buddhists, because you know that those EVIL BUDDHISTS are power hungry, and mean. They mistreat the poor, oppressed devotees of Islam, and subjegate them to such terrible humiliation! Oh my!

What a pathetic tableau.

Mahmoud, if Muslims insist on being ruled only by Muslims, can't they move to an all-Muslim nation?

This is the problem with Muslims... this is the cause of the "palestine" issue. Muslims hate everyone else, and can't stand to be ruled by others. They'd rather throw their kids at bayonnets and tanks than live under the rule of "infidels." Just compare the situation in "palestine" to that of Hong Kong or Strahsbourg... both were ruled by "the others" and especially so in the case of Hong Kong, where the "others" were a different race and religion, and their was a big influx of refugees from neighboring China.

BUT they expect all the infidels to fall in line when Muslims rule them. Thailand is a loooong way from Mecca and Medina. What makes the Muslims there think that they should establish their own state? Oh yeah: delusions of granduer.

Is it just me, or is it the case that everywhere Muslims go, they are made welcome with equal rights and full recourse to the law? And as soon as they establish a majority in any state or nation, they start clamouring and killing for Sharia and their own sovereign state?

I think that Islam is the worst thing in history, ever. The cause of more human suffering, more wars, more genocide, more ethnocide, more wife beating, more misogyny, more homophobia, more devatstation, period. And soon, will Pakistan and Iran detonate some nukes?

And the next worst thing in the world is the liberal party that KJ supports. They and their ilk in Hollywood and Academia are why islam hates the Western world.

While Thailand offers a great deal of religious freedom to its minorities and a high glass ceiling,it was, like many a state, cobbled together by archers on borse--oops! we're talking Thailand here!--elephant back. Before the British got imperialistic, the Buddhist Chakkri kings of Bangkok had extended at least the area from which they received tribute (if not direct rule) as far as places like Kedah and Trengganau in what's now Malaysia.

This being said, Thailand has had Muslims and Christians in high and respected offices--at one point not too long ago, their foreign minister was Muslim.

So, Mahmoud says it's only natural for Muslims to want to live under Muslim rule. Is taking machetes to people you've lived in peace with for a generation part of the way to do it?

keithjoy:

"I think that Islam is the worst thing in history, ever. The cause of more human suffering, more wars, more genocide, more ethnocide, more wife beating, more misogyny, more homophobia, more devatstation, period."

Agreement 100%. Even Hugh could not have put it more succinctly.

Mahmoud:

A mystical minded prophet in a cave hearing the voice of Allah may be a good start for a religion but not for a system of governance. Your power hungry strivings are evident in your support for world dominance by Islam.

Islam, the new world imperialism coming to your country soon.

more homophobia?
Keith, homosexuality is rampant in Islamic countries, it's just kept in the closet. Why else would Muhammad include "pearly boys" in his heavenly brothel? I've posted the sura that says homosexuality is 'OK' in Muhammad heaven before.

Bukhari:V4B55N544 “Allah's Apostle said, ‘The first group who will enter Paradise will be glittering like the moon and those who will follow will glitter like the most brilliant star. They will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Their combs will be gold and their sweat will smell like musk. Their companions will be houris [virgins]. All of them will look alike and will be sixty cubits (180 feet) tall.’”
Qur’an 76:19 “And round them shall serve immortal boys of perpetual freshness, never altering in age. If you saw them, you would think they were scattered pearls.” Qur’an 76:21 “Upon them will be green garments of fine green silk and heavy gold brocade. They will be adorned with bracelets of silver; their Lord will slack their thirst with wine.”
Bukhari:V4B54N476-544 “The Prophet said, ‘In Paradise they will not urinate, relieve nature, spit, or have any nasal secretions. Everyone will have two virgins who will be so beautiful and transparent the bones of their legs will be seen through their flesh.’”

Qur’an 52:21 “Those who believe and whose families follow them in Faith, to them shall We join their offspring: Nor shall We deprive them of their works: (Yet) each individual is in pledge for his deeds. [Imagine that. Wives and children will be joined with husbands and fathers who are cavorting with virgins. That ought to be entertaining.] And We shall provide fruit and meat, anything they desire. There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup free of frivolity, free of all taint of vanity or cause of sin. Round about them will serve, (devoted) to them, young boy servants of their own (handsome) as well-guarded pearls. They will advance to each other, drawing near, engaging in mutual enquiry. They will say: ‘We used to be afraid (of the punishment) in the midst of our families, but Allah has been good to us, and has delivered us from the torment of the Scorching Wind and Breath of Fire.”

Where is YOUR commitment to peace? You go out and kill them and say "they're not peaceful, so we kill them". Yelch!

Muslims are infants if they cannot stand to be governed by anyone but Muslims. It makes me lean towards forcible deportation of all Muslims from Western countries to Muslim-ruled countries. If you want to live under Islamic law, go do it in your homeland. Don't come here and try to take over our countries. The people there don't want Islamic law, OK?

~NMJ