Thats right just nurture the monster and feed it because its been victimised. The "Left" must be infected with the disease of assimilation by the "borg".

Posted by: Joe Bananas at July 30, 2004 7:51 AM

So, what exactly are the positive contributions that Muslims have made to America?

I'm listening, but I don't hear anything. Perhaps Raisin and Twinkie can jump on this thread and explain the invisible Muslim greatness that only they see.

Posted by: DCWatson at July 30, 2004 9:10 AM

You know, to be honest, this is a bit like being back in second grade...when you had the little bastard in class who came over, punched you, then yelled for the teacher and said you were hitting him. It would be almost hilarious if the situation weren't so grave. This is why there needs to be a focused, coordinated, international effort to bring the reality of Islam to all people in the civilized world. Slavery, female mutilation, death to apostates, ideology of conquest, etc. The real victims are not the madmen who commit the acts of violence and tyranny, and the members of their brotherhood, who do not speak out and loudly condemn this, are just as guilty. I don't recall the "Council on German American Relations" after WW2 protesting the Allied occupation and de-Nazification of Germany.

Posted by: Anduril at July 30, 2004 10:20 AM

the muslims know that american politicians
can be bought.

human greed is winning out over reason.

Posted by: forrestshalom at July 30, 2004 11:29 AM

Anduril, the way it works in second grade these days, is the bully picks on someone, and that someone gets sent home for fighting back, while the bully stays in school and gets a special needs teacher, because he/she has some sort of family or mental dysfunction, which then forces the whole class to "dumb down" to that "special kids" level of learning.
This is the Loony left teachers association way of doing things. Meanwhile, school taxes continue to rise uncontrolled...( I just got my tax bill.. DOUBLE the school taxes on my properties over last year) &^%$!~!!

The democrats are oblivious to whats going on in the world, as Clinton proved. You can look forward to more of that if they get in this term.

Wasn't that Pesoli the one who called Osama a good man who built Hospitals and roads for his "people"??

Posted by: Mullah_Abu_Bin_Boobie at July 30, 2004 1:08 PM

"Since September 11th, many Muslim Americans have been subjected to searches at airports and other locations based upon their religion and national origin, without any credible information linking individuals to criminal conduct," Pelosi continued. "Racial and religious profiling is fundamentally un-American and we must make it illegal...."

For once the Congresswoman and I agree, on one point: racial profiling. As for religious and national origin profiling, they are perfectly American if the "religion" in question is a political/social/economic ideology that has a 14 century history of violent propagation. The so-called "religion" of Islam shares more with Nazi facsism than it does with Buddhist meditation. The "religion" of Islam is the all-time wolf in sheep's clothing.

As for national profiling, on 11 Sept 2001 the United States was attacked by a foreign guerilla military force in an overt act of war upon the civilian population where said civilian population was not collateral to the military objectives of the enemy forces but was the primary target of the mass murder operation. We are at war, declared by the enemies of the United States, and this war is waged against the United States by foreign aggressors of known national origin.

If Congresswoman Pellosi and her sycophant colleagues don't "get it", they need to get used to the idea that future generations of Americans will condemn their refusal to enlighten themselves on the facts of the circumstance as tantamount to treason by omission and failure to defend the lives of the people they represent and failure to defend the Constitution for the United States. Their legacy of betrayal will find itself in the same dustbin as the failed ideology that threatens this great nation.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at July 30, 2004 4:23 PM

Hulegu

You made a point that Jihadis attacked the civilian population of America. This has always been the case through history. Jihad has always been waged by Muslim civilians against non-Muslim civilians. The reason being of course to strike fear into the non-Muslim and make him convert.

Now most Muslim civilians may not actually wield the sword, but are complicit in the war by supporting the Jihad financially or otherwise. Our response so far, has been the targetting of merely the sword wielders. Our goverment is unable to target the real source of the Jihad; the active civilian population of Islam where the Jihad's soul resides and its resources are martialled. It is the place, even in the West, where the Jihadis can hide and find shelter, physical, legal and spiritual.

In our fight against Islam, it is necessary to examine India and its tragic experience at the hands of Islamic invaders. All of the depredations that Islam visited on the docile Hindus, are likely to be heaped on us, unless we take heed. It is only in the last few years that Hindus have learnt how to respond to murderous Muslims, and this did not rely on the actions of the secular government of India.

This war is being waged by civilians on us 'Infidel' civilians. It is private matter, as Hindus began to realise, after about a 1000 years of persecution. Strangely, this realisation and its consequent repercussions in Gujerat, has had a salutory lesson on 'Indian' Muslims.

Posted by: DP111 at July 30, 2004 5:03 PM

Hulegu

You made a point that Jihadis attacked the civilian population of America. This has always been the case through history. Jihad has always been waged by Muslim civilians against non-Muslim civilians. The reason being of course to strike fear into the non-Muslim and make him convert.

Now most Muslim civilians may not actually wield the sword, but are complicit in the war by supporting the Jihad financially or otherwise. Our response so far, has been the targetting of merely the sword wielders. Our goverment is unable to target the real source of the Jihad; the active civilian population of Islam where the Jihad's soul resides and its resources are martialled. It is the place, even in the West, where the Jihadis can hide and find shelter, physical, legal and spiritual.

In our fight against Islam, it is necessary to examine India and its tragic experience at the hands of Islamic invaders. All of the depredations that Islam visited on the docile Hindus, are likely to be heaped on us, unless we take heed. It is only in the last few years that Hindus have learnt how to respond to murderous Muslims, and this did not rely on the actions of the secular government of India.

This war is being waged by civilians on us 'Infidel' civilians. It is private matter, as Hindus began to realise, after about a 1000 years of persecution. Strangely, this realisation and its consequent repercussions in Gujerat, has had a salutory lesson on 'Indian' Muslims.

Posted by: DP111 at July 30, 2004 5:08 PM

Robert S:
Oops. Sorry about the double posting. Please delete as required.

Posted by: DP111 at July 30, 2004 5:10 PM

The Democrat Party is the natural home for Muslims.

What is the qualification for being a Democrat: aggrieved ethnic minority or a guilty white liberal. In some cases a Union member.

I've asked this question many times "Is Grover Norquist a Muslim"? Seeing these Dems conference with the Muslims he sure looks like a fool.

I'm not sure how Jews will feel being part of a coalition of reflexively hostile Muslims?

I'm also not sure when the traditional white population is will wake up and demand representation. Diversity is too often Perversity.

Posted by: Peachy Carnahan at July 30, 2004 5:48 PM

DP111, one thing I am still disturbed about the "War on Terror" is that the civilian population of America is simply told to sit back and let the government do all the work for them, that the best response is to simply keep one's eyes open and go shopping so the economy doesn't tank. In WW2, the civilian population was fully mobilized, doing what needed to be done to win the war. The same thing should've occurred after 9/11, with every person being trained in how best to be a part of a strong, coordinated national defense. To me, it is criminal to not help the people who will be the targets of jihadists -- the civilians, as you point out -- to learn how to defend themselves and take whatever actions are needed when they are threatened by those jihadists. I remember reading the article about the woman on the plane with the 14 "musicians" and how terrified she was. Better if she and everyone else on that plane knew how to subdue any hijack attempt. But, I guess that doesn't square with the "kindergarten state" mentality that would rather roll over for Islamism than trust the judgement of the people.

Posted by: Anduril at July 30, 2004 6:53 PM

"We share a fundamental principle - the belief that diversity is the backbone of our communities. "

Diversity ???

jay

Posted by: jay at July 30, 2004 9:53 PM

Well this lot have really laid themselves wide open,haven't they! After several recent scandals involving Cair officials and one today where an American Muslim leader pleads GUILTY to a bomb plot in Libya. Another terror attack on U.S will seal fate of misguided liberal Democrats. Tragedy is it will be American lives that will pay for the policy of stupid,vote seeking politicians.

Posted by: Morgane at July 30, 2004 11:26 PM

Hey ! I'm in !

Why on earth are people still being intimidated by this PC fascism regarding Islam ?First things first, it was never a religion of peace, it was only tolerant when the non Muslim paid the protection money, the "Golden Age" is really more of a highly polished bronze to maybe look like gold in a bad light. WTF are people on about ? It has barely moved since inception !

I am truly worried about the jews in Europe as France struggles to keep a lid on Islamic fascism. I don't understand Muslims. They have never had it so good as they do outside of a Muslim state and yet they do nothing but despise their welcoming hosts. Not all Muslims by the way, there are many good Muslims who are not jihadis.

Posted by: ReligionOfPeaceMyArse at July 31, 2004 1:09 AM

Nostradamus said about muslims in France, "They will do as much evil, as has been done them good."

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 1:16 AM

Earth to CAIR...Earth to CAIR,come in,can you hear us. Please check the 9/11 report...ALL THE HIJACKERS WERE MALE MUSLIMS WILLING TO SLAUGHTER GODS CHILDREN FOR ALLAH AND ISLAM.
I know they claim that they aren't to drink alcohol,but it looks like they can consume wine and their favorite WHINE is "Islamophobe",vintage 2001 . Canadian Muslim live in a Country with free health-care,free education up to grade 12,hate laws to protect their practise of Islamic dress,labour laws to prevent discrimination in the workplace,Government job quota's for minorities,free dental care for welfare receipiens or refugee's,Sharia law to be introduced soon to Canadian Courts,Human rights protection,26 weeks paid leave prior to having a baby,12 months job security and paid leave after babies birth,and on and on.
Yet CAIR Canada bitches and Whines about Jews being treated better in Canada and Muslim living under seige and being denied their rights as Citizens. No matter where they live or how good they have it there is always something in the Quran that tells them they're oppressed.
Cairs home webpage states clearly their goal is to make Canada a Islamic friendly Country that's free of intolerance and injustice.That's assuming Canada has all those injustices and bigotry imbedded in our culture.
Muslims have far more rights here than in any Islamic state,but they still bitch and still line up to come into this evil unIslamic nation.
I have yet to see a debate on TV where Muslim cleric's don't blame the Jews for the ills of Islam,or don't scream racism or play the "Victim" card.During our election a Islamic org. told Muslims to not vote for the parties that had a pro-zionist foreign policy,one of the parties had a Muslim female running,she dodn't win and I guess the Jew-haters at CAIR must have been beaming.
The evidence indicates Islam is the problem and not Democracies based on Judeo-Christian values. Today's newspaper confirmed my earlier posting about the Saudis funding the spread of Wahabism Islam in Canada. Sadly the denial and paranoia keeps the Islamic Org's from accepting the facts,seems it all a plot to attack Muslims.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at July 31, 2004 2:00 AM

Just came back from the anti-Jihad forum.
There's some-one by the name of Tim Kafir, who is learning Ninjitsu, and he is volunteering to be a bodyguard for apostates at his local church.

What a fantastic idea!!!!

We need apostates to come out, and if they have bodyguards who are skilled in martial arts then it will be easier for them to do so.

Actually I think that the government should pay for bodyguards for apostates with taxes that have been levied on muslim organizations.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 4:45 AM

No, I think that apostates should sue muslim organisations for the cost of bodyguards.

Posted by: Voltaire at July 31, 2004 4:47 AM

CAIR is the 5th column. The Dems are damned. I Slam is basically an evil cult. Another major religion sees the mussies as `polluted` http://allaboutsikhs.com/rehat/rehat_17.htm

Posted by: hutchrun at July 31, 2004 5:03 AM

Why do Muslims come to "this evil un-Islamic nation?" They come as the vanguard before the invasion. They come because it's their religious obligation to invade and subdue all nations in order to create the Caliphate and bring all nations to Allah.

Posted by: epg at July 31, 2004 8:17 AM

"Generations of Muslims have made positive contributions in every aspect of American life."

I was wondering about these positive contributions and came up with a few

1. Contributions to modern architecture, particularly the New York skyline
2. Contributions to geometry - reducing a pentagon to a 'square'.
3. Naval architecure - contributions in the design of the USS Cole.
4. Contributions to modern sniper tactics in an urban environment.
5. Contributions in increasing the demographic growth rate - over and above the call of duty.

Posted by: DP111 at July 31, 2004 4:58 PM

Abduril

Though it is good to provide protection to apostates, it can only be a palliative, and a weak one at that, in the war we are in.

Now it a truism that offence is the best form of defence, and the only way to win a war. So we need to think of a way of taking the war to the enemy.

Before we can do this we need to understand the real nature of this war. Now this war is most unusual. The Jihad that is being waged on us, is by Muslim civilians on us Infidel civilians. It is a private and personal war ie it is conducted in the main, at the personal level. Jihad is not just waged by the sword. The objective of every Muslim is to convert an Infidel and if that does not happen, if the opportunity arises, neutralise us. In so doing weaken Infidel society for it be taken over by Islam. That is main objective of the Jihad, and the sword is just one tool in the armoury.

Taking part in the Jihad is the sure way for a Muslim to avoid the fires of the Islamic hell and a way to paradise. Remarkably, this primitive concept of hell and heaven is adhered to by the majority of Muslims.

In this war that is being waged here in the West, our armed forces or the security forces, are of no use. They address the wrong enemy and not the real threat. So the question arises, how do we go on the offensive, without breaking the law, and thus exciting the forces of law and order to take the part of the Ummah?

This is the question that needs an answer.

How do we make the Infidel West an uncomfortable place to practice the Jihad?

How do we make the Infidel West, a place where the Ummah starts to diminish in numbers, such that their Imams strongly urge them to leave the West?

We need to defend Freedom, and this should give us moral and ethical certainty, that our cause is just and right.

How do we do all this, without recourse to any act that reduces our conviction that our cause is just?

Posted by: DP111 at July 31, 2004 5:37 PM

What has Islam contributed to civilization -ANY- civilization which has not been stolen from their victims?

Posted by: CrazyFool at July 31, 2004 8:49 PM

DP111, very simply, we organize, organize, organize. When there are enough people acting in concert, then the suicidal PC socialists will have their voice drowned out and we can begin to expel Islam and make it stick. I understand that you allude to the individual nature of this war to a degree, but as long as the western governments are made up of traitors and frauds who are terrified of being called intolerant, then people are limited in what they can do.

Posted by: Anduril at August 1, 2004 8:28 AM