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August 21, 2004

Pro-Bin Laden politician granted entry into Norway

And there was a great cheer at the Islamic Cultural Center. That tiny minority of extremists must have loud voices. From Nettavisen, with thanks to Ali Dashti:

There was an enormous cheer at Islamic Cultural Center when they were informed that Qazi Husssain Ahmed was granted permission to visit Norway. Islamic Cultural Center invited the controversial Pakistani politician to Norway, and the decision to grant him entry arrived only days before his scheduled arrival.

Ahmed arrives at Gardermoen International Airport on Saturday, but Minister of Local Government Erna Solberg waited until Thursday afternoon before she announced that Norway opposes the Schengen decision and grants him permission to visit.

In spite of the delay, the management of Islamic Cultural Center said they never lost faith that Norway would grant Ahmed entry.

«Norway is a democracy, and everybody is allowed to state their opinion,» said Ikhlaq Ahmad, general secretary at Islamic Cultural Center to TV 2 Nettavisen. «Everybody is very happy, and we are very proud to live in Norway. We live in a free society.»

But for how long? "Qazi Hussain Ahmed has earlier make flattering comments about Osama bin Laden, and his party, Jamaat-e-Islami, also has hailed al-Qaeda members as heroes."

Posted by Robert at August 21, 2004 10:21 AM
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Minister of Local Government Erna Solberg, who is resonsible for this decision, can be reached at one of the following emails:

postmottak@krd.dep.no , erna.solberg@krd.dep.no

The Prime Minister: statsministeren@smk.dep.no

Some members or the Coalition Parties:

jan.petersen@hoyre.no , oddvard.nilsen@stortinget.no jon.lilletun@stortinget.no , anita.apelthun-sale@stortinget.no

Some media addresses:

nyhetstips@tv2.no , vaktsjef@nettavisen.no , dagsrevyen@nrk.no , english@aftenposten.no , aftenposten@aftenposten.no , dagsavisen@dagsavisen.no , 2200@vg.no


Attach a copy of the interview listed below, and explain in polite terms why it is embarrassing for a civilized nation to let such a man in in the name of "Free Speech", at the same time as critics of Islam are silenced. . If you want to, attach some links to leading, non-extremist Islam-critical websites.


Check out what the same, "moderate" Qazi Hussain Ahmed has been saying in Pakistan:

http://www.media-watch.org/articles/0999/306.html

Q:Please tell us about your stay with Qazi Hussain Ahmed

Qazi had said once that JI comes to power in Pakistan, he will abolish the voting rights of women and minorities. Only the Muslim men can participate in voting or standing for elections. When I asked the proof from Hadiths, he had quoted many Hadiths in support of that.

Once the Jamaat comes to power, the minorities will be induced(forced) to become Muslims either by monetary or psychological factors. JI is already equating the India with Hindus so that the Hindus of Pakistan will be forced to become Muslims. This was very successful strategy during the Babri Masjid riots. We ordered the destruction of the Hindu family property too. But our main aim was to destroy the Hindu temples. We wrote the JI pamphlets that destroying each pagan temple make a Muslim move closer to heaven of Allah. We used the Hadiths in all the pamphlets. The same way every Muslim should take upon himself to destroy the Hindu temples in Pakistan.

We are impressed with the Taliban on the women issue, minorities issue and law and order issue. Mullah Omar is a great friend of Qazi. Omar had visited his house many times. In the tentative talks, we had decided to form union of Pakistan and Afghanistan once the right conditions are set in Pakistan.

Little bit of terror had to be applied to the heart of Hindus and Christians. I will give you a best example. The portions now constitute Pakistan had 25% Hindu population before Independence. After independence lot of Hindus migrated to India. Yet after the migration, Pakistani Hindu population was 15%. Do you know what is the percentage now? It is less than 1%. How was this made possible? That is purely because of the terror of the partition. That terror forced the Hindus who remained in Pakistan to become Muslims. Pure and simple.

He had the habit of drinking camel urine and camel milk early in the morning. He replied that it is Islamic practice that is supported by Prophet Mohammad (PBUH). I was astounded. But Qazi explained to me that it is true. He told me three or four Hadiths in which the camel urine and camel milk drinking is suggested. So Qazi wanted to drink the camel urine and camel milk along with the Sheik.

Hence the reintroduction of slavery in Pakistan is one of the future plans of Jamaat. All the captured Hindu Indians and Srilankans will be made slaves to work for Pakistani Muslims. Every God abiding Pakistani Muslim will get slaves once we conquer India. Slavery is Islamic.

One of Qazi's relatives wanted to become a Hindu. Qazi got to know of this and called him and threatened him dire consequences. That relative did not become a Hindu. Quran and Hadith clearly say the punishment for abandonment of Islam is death.

Posted by: Ali Dashti [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 11:12 AM

Ali Dashti,

Concerning the interview article about Mr. Ahmed:

The end justifies the means. All humans, including muslims, are strategic meat for the sausage machine which continually grinds towards the re-establishment of the Islamic caliphate.

It is indeed strange and frightening that these "humans" have created a god who is so fiercesome and diabolical. The blackness of this deity's aura surrounds them, all the while bidding them to implement his scheme.

If there is a God, my mind would certainly not contrive such a being.

Thanks for the link. A very enlightening interview.

Posted by: Moe's Foe [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 12:23 PM

Is Qazi Husssain Ahmed not the one that would also pay a visit to the Netherlands but wasn't allowed to pass the boder because of security-risks.

Lets hope Norway wil not allow him to pass the border into Norway as well.

Posted by: wodan82 [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 1:03 PM

Al Dashti- Thank you for that link. No one should surprised by that man's words or his intentions as we have seen the same pattern of behavior repeated over the last fourteen hundred years. There is no moderation in Islam, and all non-Muslims and weak-willed Muslims are fodder for their predation in order to create and MAINTAIN the Caliphate. Woe to India if Islam exerts greater influence than already has and woe to us if Islam gains a foothold in the West.

Posted by: epg [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 3:29 PM

One Muslim tellingly is quoted above as saying how delighted he is to live in a "free society" such as Norway. Of course he is. All those freedoms will be exploited to the fullest, in order to bring about a situation in which the Muslim population, through conversion and subversion, sufficiently weakens the host country and its indigenous non-Muslim population, until the Shari'a, which is quite alien to Western notions of freedom, democracy, and above all human rights, can be imposed.

This needs to be noted, because one of the themes of the ACLU -- virtually any speech by Nadine Strossen will do -- is that the Patriot Act should be opposed because it "plays into the hands of the terrorists" who oppose us "precisely because of those very freedoms" we are in danger of losing. This is nonsense. The terroists and other Muslims who choose other weapons of Jihad do not "hate us" because of "those very freedoms" which we are, in the Nadine-Strossen view of the world, depriving ourselves of (the idiotic ad for the ACLU contains the line "Because Freedom can't protect itself" -- what the hell is that supposed to mean? It would appear to mean, give us despotism, because that, per contra, CAN protect us).

No. We are hated because we are Infidels. Period. Punto e basta. That's it. Democracy is certainly not favored, but that is not the problem. It is that we are Infidels, in an Infidel democracy. Muslims in the West will take full advantage -- as those in Norway quoted above demonstrate -- of whatever freedoms the West chooses to allow. But that does not mean that they are in favor of those freedoms permanently. And as for the West, it should not be inhibited in taking strong measures to protect itself, over the long term, in fighting a war that, for the first time, is against an enemy that is mainly ideological, and which already has tens of millions of its own troops living, and apparently not to be touched, behind within Infidel lands, the very lands they wish to subjugate to Islam (or, at least, a considerable number do, and even the tepid Believers do not inspire any confidence because they have not lifted a finger to demonstrate loyalty to their fellow Infidels, nor have they done anything either to reveal the teachings of Islam, or to discuss how these might be either modified (highly unlikely) or constrained (Ataturk's Kemalism worked, and could work, if the cunning undermining being conducted by Erdogan and his supporters were to be recognized and stopped in its sinister tracks).

Posted by: Hugh [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 8:56 PM

ALI DASHTI
Thank you for links.Have sent off some E Mails and will try media next. One thing Westeners find so difficult to comprehend is that Muslims take every advantage of freedoms in a democracy AND YET
INTEND TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY! What is more, average
Muslim Male openly avows this!!This is frightening
as much as converts from Christian/Hindu/Buddhist etc are quickly brainwashed into going out and killing their own people in the service of Allah...

Posted by: Morgane [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 21, 2004 10:33 PM

It is time to form a special squad that will go and take out terrorists like Yusuf Qaradhawi and this monkey together with the hate rousers like the chief imam in mecca. The war has to be taken to their grounds.
The Israeli strike on Yassin was the eye opener. Otherwise we can talk till the cows home.

Posted by: hutchrun [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 12:25 AM

Hugh: As you point out, there are already millions of Muslims living within the EU, as well as in the USA, Canada and Australia. I'm sorry to say so, but I believe many of these have to be expelled in order for our societies to survive in the long run. That even includes some of those who are full citizens by now. Closing the borders, while being imperative, isn't enough anymore. Can the West stomach such a move? I don't know. Especially with Europe's rather "turbulent" and widely condemned treatement of "minorities" in memory.

Posted by: Ali Dashti [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 3:05 AM

Bad week for Norway, it seems. "The Scream" the world famous painting by Norwegian painter Munch, has been stolen:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article854033.ece

Posted by: Ali Dashti [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 1:11 PM

Ali Dashti:

What would we do to those native citizens who have converted to Islam? How would we get rid of them?

Posted by: Voltaire [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 22, 2004 7:14 PM

I live in Norway and I can tell you that a lot of Norwegians are not happy with this. I think unfortunately it is one one more example of how unrepresentative the political leaders are and how much they represent a missguided (at best) and at worst a morally bankrupt minority. This is no different to the UK. Our laws are designed for freedom of speech and they can be used against us. It is time for change.

Posted by: Padonmeforbreathing [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 23, 2004 8:06 AM

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article855480.ece

Qazi Hussain Ahmed, whose daughter is a member of Pakistan's national assembly, also promoted education for women, noting that "the prophet said education is a duty."

He refused, however, to discuss human rights with the head of Amnesty International in Norway. "I especially wanted to take up the position of women, who often live under difficult conditions and are subjected to violence," said Petter Eide of Amnesty International. "He didn't want to listen." Eide said Ahmed interpreted a discussion of human rights in Pakistan as "an attack on Islam."


Posted by: Ali Dashti [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 24, 2004 12:38 PM

Voltaire,
I think the idea re Radical Islamists is to start to exclude them from somehere/anywhere at first. In the USA, for example, we could say that Islamofascists could not enter the country. This would cover students, work visas, tourists, and family unification attempts.
Various tests could be devised to ascertain same. Objections would of course be raised that we are excluding a religious group (or, really, a part of a religious group, since this would not apply to moderate muslims).
And while those objecting to the exclusion of Radical Islamists may indeed have the law on their side (for now), they would have one heck of a time defending against the idea of keeping Radical Islamists out.


Posted by: sparrow [TypeKey Profile Page] at August 26, 2004 10:24 PM

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