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An exclusive series of translations from the Swedish press, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti: [NOTE: IMPORTANT CLARIFICATION HERE]
Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.
All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html
Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.
http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861
The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.
http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830
ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.
http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267
People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation.
http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495
Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.
http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423
Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.
http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html
22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"
Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."
One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police seem to be afraid? By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden:
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/81008.html
Sweden's politicians view arranged marriages as a positive tradition: a cultural pattern that immigrants should be allowed to preserve even in Sweden. The Swedish government feels that interfering in arranged marriages is an encroachment upon private life. In addition, immigrant couples can apply for family reunification in Sweden even if they've never seen each other before - as long as the marriage is entered in a culture with a tradition of parents arranging marriages on behalf of their children. A 2002 study by Växjö University economics professor Jan Ekberg found that immigration cost Swedish taxpayers DKK 33 billion that year, compared to just DKK 10 billion in Denmark. And while one might assume that the rise in costs would result in knee-jerk opposition to immigration, just the opposite has happened in Sweden. A Swedish government commission has proposed abolishing the so-called “seriousness requirement.”
Posted by Robert at September 9, 2004 6:38 AM
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Talk about not learning from history..multiculturalism is nothing but "tribalism" and the agressive tribes will eventualy win out over the peaceful tribes. But i guess that is what you get with a socialist ideology permeating through Europe.
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at September 9, 2004 7:12 AM
News from the Scandinavian and Nordic countries:
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=661
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/
http://pub.tv2.no/nettavisen/english/
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/fremmedsprog/English/
http://www.srp6.net/red/page_eng_start.html
http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 7:26 AM
A shocking state of affairs! This shows that Sweden is in a weak and perilous position
of an almost dying Dhimmi...In Malmo anyway. Question
is what are Swedes going to do about their Muslim
Immigrants?? Let me guess - they have a Liberal government. Sounds like Sweden which was once near Top of the Pops as Standards of Living go will soon resemble a Third World Shithole like many another M E country with accompanying violence and crime. Suggest liberal PC Swedes show
old berserker rage towards invaders and drive them
out of Malmo. That's what your ancestors would have done...lucky things they NEVER had to worry about PC correctness.
at September 9, 2004 7:27 AM
It's very depressing indeed to read such things.
I'm finally forced to subscribe to the less-than-charitable view that guess the people of Sweden are only getting what they deserve.
Thomas Jefferson once remarked " Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty" and if the swedes don't want to exercise such vigilance (because liberty isn't worth the effort or what?) then they alone bear responsibility for this sorry state of affairs.
I used to think it would be the demographic (and consequently psycho-social) implosion of france that'll provide Europe with the first of its dying throes, but no, seems Sweden is determined to beat them to it.
Let the US remain the world's beacon not just of freedom but of sanity as well well into the far future...
at September 9, 2004 7:28 AM
A fair bet this is the future of Hamtramck (sp). First the calls to prayer, then an even bigger build-up of muslim population, then those non-muslims remanining, are slowly forced out of the community.
All I can say is:
4 More Years!
We can't have a molly-coddler elected into the White House.
Posted by: Gary at September 9, 2004 7:28 AM
Odd thing is, the Swedes voted against joining the European currency zone. Lose control of major urban centres, but keep the central bank? Half way there, but a long way to go.
Posted by: Sam Roony at September 9, 2004 7:31 AM
Just to show you how the media present the issue, they always show the Muslims as victims. Reading this story, and the translations I made above, gives a disturbing image of Western Politically Correct media:
Ex-Guantanamo Prisoner Faces Discrimination in Sweden
The furor that greeted the homecoming of a Swedish citizen who was released from the U.S. Naval Base in Guantanamo, Cuba, highlights the volatile issue of discrimination in Sweden. Mehdi Ghezali was arrested in Pakistan while fleeing Afghanistan in the company of Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters, and was released in July after spending a little over two years at Guantanamo. "I don't believe that you would have treated Mehdi like this if he had a Swedish name in his passport," Mr Hulten noted. In this wealthy north European country of nine million people, discrimination against immigrants, which number slightly above 1 million, is constantly a hot issue.
In the view of many Swedes, immigrants are lazy and are only interested in exploiting the country's generous welfare system. Information consultant, Lars Jedelund, writes that about 20 billion Swedih kronor -- around 2 billion dollars -- is paid out yearly by authorities as social assistance to immigrants.
Political parties like the Swedish Democrats have exploited this resentment and blamed foreigners for the rise in crime. In fact, it is hate crimes that is on the increase. Legislation had been passed to fight discrimination and hate crimes. Those guilty of hate crimes are severely punished. Yet a recent study showed that hate crimes rose five percent last year.
A concerted effort that aims at educating Swedes that immigrants are a blessing to their country must be pursued, said Sahlin, stressing that her compatriots must accept that the new Sweden is multi-cultural, and that discrimination must end. "Like it or not, this is the new Sweden," she said.
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 7:41 AM
There is an implicit assumption in all this that native Swedish culture is somehow "superior" to Muslim culture. Such an unfounded assumption is racist and is the basis of hate crimes against immigrants.
Posted by: Khaled at September 9, 2004 7:50 AM
I remember an earlier post about Sweden at LGF, and managed to dig it up:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=11386
6/14/2004: Swedish Shari'a Watch
I actually think Sweden is leading the race to be the worst dhimmi-nation of the Western world. As a Scandinavian myself, I expect to get refugees across the border any time soon. Yesterday, one of the parties in Sweden proposed to ban “Islamophobia” BY LAW. Sweden has pretty much done this already, anyway, but why not make it formal? Two Swedish girls were sent home from school by their headmaster for the crime of showing up wearing sweaters that showed some tiny Swedish flags. (flag=nationalism=racism=Nazism, according to leftist, multicultural logic). At the same time, Swedish Universities are discussing whether burkas should be allowed on campus (not hijab, Taliban-style burkas).
Swedish national radio is broadcasting an Islamic sermon - in Swedish - every morning. Some city councils have suggested major Islamic holidays should be public holidays. At the same time, one of the anti-immigration parties in Sweden has asked for UN observers to monitor the Swedish elections, as they are attacked with molotov cocktails by ultra-lefties, denied ads in major newspapers, get their voting slips stolen etc., etc. Maybe Sweden will need international monitors, just like fellow banana republics such as Zimbabwe? Swedish mosques, of course, openly incite violence and even genocide of Israelis and Jews.
Most Swedish newspapers have closed their readers’ discussion forum on the internet, after one paper was convicted of racism as a couple of anti-Muslim immigration comments were allowed on their forum. Swedes who want to discuss what is happening in their country have to visit forums in Norway or Denmark.
The legal age for marriage in Sweden is 18. However, immigrant girls (read: Muslims) have been “allowed” BY LAW to marry at the age of 15. Some would call that apartheid, but hey, everything for multiculturalism. That’s only the beginning, though. It gets worse: Swedish authorities have allowed that young immigrant girls can be sent off to their parents’ country to be married even BEFORE they are 15 years old. If they are pregnant when they return, the father will automatically earn a residency permit to Sweden (and by extension the EU) for “family reunion”. All a Muslim male has to do to get into Sweden - legally - is to have sex with a CHILD. Is that disgusting or what?
Finally, some quotes from a Swedish Muslim forum:
YEAH !!!!!!!!!! I LIKE THE ATTITUDE OF YOU Aw-jaamac IF SOMEONE START MESS AROUND WITH US WITHOUT PROOF AND CONFUSIONS IT IS OUR DUTY TO GUIDE THEM TO THE RIGHT TRACK. I WISH THE MAJORITY OF THE MUSLIMS WOULD BE LIKE U... GOOD ON YAAA....
BTW IT IS TO MUCH AGGRESSION TOWARD US MUSLIMS IN THIS FORUM. I JUST WONDER ARENT PEOPLE HERE TO LEARN SOMETHING ABOUT ISLAM OR JUST LIKE TO ACUSING
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 7:51 AM
Khaled: ALL cultures I know of are superior to Muslim culture. The Islamic world is an universal failure, both in democratic freedom and in creating a modern economy. The only reason why Muslims go to Western nations such as Sweden in the first place is because their own countries are horrible places to live. The reason for this is spelled I-S-L-A-M....
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 7:55 AM
I'm one of the thousands of swedes who has fled Malmo. It's a nightmare.
Another thing worth mentioning is that a PUBLIC SCHOOL in Malmo has decided to have arabic as first language! This must be unique in the western world.
Worth mentioning is also the fact we in sweden are so tolerant we even put people in jail for not being tolerant enough. This is not a joke. It's the truth.
Also, if you join the biggest (legal) party that is against this mass immigration you risk being kicked out of the union, sacked from your job, being terrorised by left wing extremists etc.
The only hope I have is that foreign journalists writes about this. The media in sweden is extremely political correct and the government has with a hate crime law practically forbidden free discussion on the internet. Some discussion forums exists where the server is in the US or somewhere else where the swedish government cant close it down. But of course, these discussions never reach the majority. Only people aware of the problems find these sites.
Posted by: swede2004 at September 9, 2004 8:06 AM
Khaled:
It is patently obvious that western civilization is superior to Islamic civilization. This belief does not make us "racists",it makes us "culturalists". Islamic civilization has produced no significant innovation, except the homocide bomber, in well over 500 years. We do not "hate" muslims, but we do hate your culture, becaue it is primitive and needs to be wiped from the face of the earth. Western civilition welcomes immigrants but only if they become civilized. The problem with muslims is that they do not assimilate well into western civilization. All we ask when you move here is learn to speak the language of the country, contribute to the success of the land and behave like a good immigrant, not a savage.
at September 9, 2004 8:19 AM
Ali Dashti, swede2004, Buck:
It is quite obvious that all of you are racist and haters of Muslims. How dare you demand that Muslims "assimilate" by adopting your degenerate and unholy practices? That will not happen.
at September 9, 2004 8:30 AM
Khaled, Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia are almost superior to Islamic culture.......and that is horrific too be sure!!
I think it needs to be said and I know most Westerners are now willing to listen....that deportation is going to have too be a reality in the future if we are too save our countries!!
That is sad......but Islam is evil to its core and we have made a grave mistake ever allowing its vile backward beliefs into our societies!!
And this is for Muslim citizens.....not just students visiting here.......but for Muslims who have British, Swedish, Canadian and American citizenship!!
This is harsh, but what else can we do?? Education has no effect on these primitives.....the best thing we can is continue to attack Islam and undermine this laughably weak ideology and encourage more and more Muslims to leave this cult.....but lets face it......that will only work to a certain extent...
I know what I am saying sounds harsh, but its either future deportation or mass murder in the streets!!
My heart goes out to Sweden.....a country sadly like my own of Canada in terms of weather, wealth, love of hockey and incredible stupidity!!
Pee cee thinking is rife in both of these once great countries.........now we are dying a slow death!!
Thank God for honest people like Robert and Charles Johnson and Dr. Ali Sina and all those other legions of ex Muslims that are willing to stand up against this monster we know as Islam!!
God Help us All........God Help the Muslim People too see....
Posted by: Albertanator at September 9, 2004 8:31 AM
"How dare you demand that Muslims "assimilate" by adopting your degenerate and unholy practices? That will not happen."
Good. I will take great pleasure in kicking your backward Islamic butt out of Europe. You can go back to a Muslim country and live in an Islamic cave of your liking. And by the way: How dare you call us degenerate and unholy? Why the heck do you people go to live in our lands, anyway? Thanks for showing us your true colors, ungrateful and racist Muslim hypocrite.
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 8:38 AM
Another absurd thing in sweden is the governments attempts to stop discrimination in the labour market. With new anti discrimination laws a company that employs a swede instead of an immigrant with equal merits must pay compensation to the immigrant applicant if the applicant takes it to court. Around $5-7000.
This has not surprisingly resulted in companies being very careful to even call the immigrant applicants to an interview. If the immigrant has merits but has personal characteristics the employer doesnt like, he risks this penalty if he doesnt employ him. The company also risks it's reputation when it is described as a racist company in the press if losing in court.
There are cases where immigrants have got this compensation more than once. In other words, in sweden you can make a living of being "discriminated"!
Posted by: swede2004 at September 9, 2004 8:41 AM
"How dare you demand that Muslims "assimilate" by adopting your degenerate and unholy practices? That will not happen."
Posted by: Khaled at September 9, 2004 08:30 AM
How dare you demand tolerance Khaled?
at September 9, 2004 8:57 AM
The only way to solve this problem is with a new Ice Age.
Posted by: alex221166 at September 9, 2004 9:07 AM
Khaled,
How can you demand tolerance in this totally intolerant fashion? How can you even talk about tolerance if you think about the western culture (or any other culture) as "degenerate and unholy practices"? I guess tolerance only enters your vocabulary when you demand it.
Posted by: gloria at September 9, 2004 9:14 AM
Albertanator, I sympathise with you, being a fellow Canuck. Have you been to Toronto and Montreal lately? Mosques are sprouting up like weeds, and many women wear Burkas which only reveal their beady little eyes. Ontario has recently enacted Shari'a law. I think I'm going to move to the States soon, because thankfully, I also have US citizenship. But, I hear even some states like Michigan are pretty bad too.
Posted by: idontslam at September 9, 2004 9:29 AM
Yes, the situation is bad. I suppose it has to do with the strong support for the socialdemocrats that do everything for gaining votes, including ignoring a growing threat from muslim fundamentalist (because of some reason even moderat muslims feel bad when muslim terrorist are attacked).
There are many examples, e g the problem with the big mosque in stockholm wherer they have praised Schjek Yasin as a martyr änd pledge support for suiciedbombers. The socialdemocrates didn't do anything, but a young man from the liberalparty (which have a tradition of being pro-israel and maybe not supporting, but at least not hating america) demanded a closer investigation.
Anyway, inspired by the norweigien organization "Forum aginst islamization" we started this summer something similar. And the majority of the swedish people dosn't support the government politic in this area, so everything isn't dark.
Sorry for my bad english, but I hoped you could read anyway,
Markus
Posted by: markus at September 9, 2004 9:58 AM
It's unbelievable that any Western country would allow the situation to get out of hand. The disappearance of the Viking strain from this Scandanvian stronghold is disheartening. It will be all over for Sweden if soon they don't send in the army to clean out this nest of Muslim vipers that happen to reside in Sweden. It's apparent that they don't consider themselves to be Swedish.
This is a cautionary tale for the rest of us in the West. Never allow Islam to have a demographic majority or major influence in any area as their sole allegiance is to the umma, not to the host country.
Posted by: epg at September 9, 2004 10:19 AM
Yeah my fellow Canuck.....things are getting ugly but at least I live in Alberta......I hear Montreal and Toronto are getting downright Islamic and that is terryfying........the friggin liberals are ruining are once great nation...
Its funny, me and the wife were just talking about moving to the States also in the future....if the liberals continue to rule this country , we can say goodbye to it short of a US invasion.....
But as you say, the same vile evil Islamic and MultiCulti forces are at work in the States......Michigan is getting really scary as in places like Dearborn....but thankfully, the Americans are fighters and more Americans are seeing the truth then in any country in the Western Hemisphere.....America will not roll over and die for the liberal liars and their Islamic allies....but we have a fight on our hands too be sure whereever we live in North America....the future is ugly......and damned to hell those elitist pricks that allowed the floodgate of Islamic immigration into the West...
My heart goes out too all the Free Western Countries from Germany to Australia.....vile liberals are doing the same tricks everywhere.....and muslims continue to pour in and breed like rabbits....
We are so utterly blind and bereft of any common sense......and we forget our History so quickly.....Islam has been trying to enslave us for centuries......and it has never given up on that goal!!
This world seems to be on a collision course with the greatest evil we have ever known....and that is saying something when we look back on Hitler and Stalin!!
Posted by: Albertanator at September 9, 2004 10:31 AM
Khaled,
Please explain why the host country has any obligation to adapt to the traditions or beliefs of the immigrant.
As near as I can tell -- and as someone who has spent the past 15 years living outside the country of his birth -- the equation is very simple. Either the immigrant adapts to his or her new home or they can stay where they are.
Posted by: midas mulligan at September 9, 2004 10:33 AM
I also found this:
Swedish Muslims Change Names for Jobs
By Yahia Abu Zakariya, IOL Correspondent
STOCKHOLM, September 9 (IslamOnline.net) – Many Muslims and immigrants, feeling the pinch of an evident racial discrimination in job recruitment in Sweden, have changed their names to make a living in the European country, said a report by a mass-circulation daily.
Dagens Nyheter published a detailed report on September 6-7, on how many Swedish citizens had to replace their Arabic or Islamic names with Swedish ones in order to conceal their racial or religious identity – all in the hope of securing a job.
Boyan Asghari, an Iranian, went for Steven Sandneil, Mohamed opted for Anderson – a typical common Swedish name – and Khaled chose to call himself Stevenson.
"I had to do this to find a job. For the Swedish labor market is discriminatory toward Arabs and Muslims," Anna, formerly Amani, told the Swedish daily.
Field Survey
The paper carried out a field survey on the job search mechanism and selection, and whether the process is discriminatory against those of Arab and Muslim origins.
Four Swedish citizens, two from Swedish origins and two others hailing from Arab or Muslim origins with Arabic names, were assigned to contact employers for filling same vacancies.
Applicants from Swedish origins got the jobs instantly, while the other two with Arabic names were not that lucky, the results revealed.
According to the Swedish civil affairs department estimates, dozens of Arabs and Muslims in Sweden had applied to change their names during the second half of 2003, in an effort to snatch a job opportunity.
Changing names in Sweden is a common procedure, available to any one. You just need to fill in a form.
Second-Class Treatment
Many social institutions in Stockholm have also been receiving complaints from several Arabs and Muslims as they were sacked from jobs or their job applications were turned down.
Sweden is home to 400,000 Muslim strong community, many have reportedly faced discriminatory practices due to their Arab or Muslim origins since the September 11 attacks on Washington and New York .
The government do well realize the extent of the racial discrimination against Arabs and Muslims in job-recruitment issues.
Minister of Democracy and Minority Integration Issues Mona Sahlin had said the government has spent millions of coronas for convincing the Swedish citizens to be more open to the immigrant communities in the country.
The Swedish daily agreed, saying that Arabs and Muslims in Sweden are receiving a second-class treatment, making them increasingly dependable on the financial assistance from social affairs institutions.
Further, these institutions ask those getting the aid to carry out such lower-wage jobs, such as cleaning services.
Swedish newspapers have recently put at one million the number of those getting social aid all across the country.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-09/09/article06.shtml
Posted by: biker at September 9, 2004 10:38 AM
Swede 2004, can you give a link for the news about school in arabic, I´m spanish and I have translated the top text for explain to spanish people what is happening, and this link would be necessary for ilustrating this, because too people is ignorant in the muslim war that we are. Greetings
Posted by: Franze at September 9, 2004 10:45 AM
How dare Khaled (and muslim immigrants, by proxy) demand that Swedes adopt their culture? This will not happen. There is an implicit assumption by Khaled and these immigrants that their culture is superior to Sweden's own.
If muslim immigrants to Malmo don't like Sweden, they can go home.
Write back, Khaled, you coward.
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 9, 2004 10:52 AM
Ali Dashti - for God's sake, man, post some Swedish internet blogs where we can post links to jihadwatch.org - if you just put up links, more people will come and see them, and there's a LOT of Swedes ith EXCEPTIONAL English skills. You see, we don't even need to add arguments - just POST THE SITE. The Swedes will find it themselves, since theyre not allowed to talk about it.
Get the word out!
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 9, 2004 10:56 AM
Geoff:
"Khaled" won't respond.
Guess who "Khaled" is? Remind you of anyone in particular?
Posted by: CGW at September 9, 2004 10:59 AM
Swede2004 - where, where can we post?? Help us get the word out!!
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 9, 2004 10:59 AM
A long list of Swedish weblogs (Pretty much all Swedes understand English, even if their blog is in Swedish):
http://weblogs.se/directory/svenska
Some weblogs to single out:
http://www.spectator.se/stambord/
http://gudmundson.blogspot.com/
http://www.francisstrand.blogspot.com/
http://www.denlillafamiljen.com/
http://www.gustavholmberg.com/tomrum/
http://www.freiholtz.se/forvetet/index.shtml
http://www.supertrevligt.com/mine/index.htm
Some places to link to, in addition to this post at JihadWatch:
http://www.knowislam.info/drupal/
http://www.secularislam.org/testimonies/index.htm
http://www.faithfreedom.org/index.htm
Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 9, 2004 11:44 AM
One can't help but experience some sense of peace and invulnerability living in Scandanavia. The horrors of the rest of the world seem so far away...all is well, and 'we', those so fortunate to live in the land of peace and prosperity, can be 'interested', 'study', 'critique'...in an objective, detached way.
Oh, if only the rest of the world were so wonderful, so happy, so free, so prosperous, so educated...the scandavian ethos, the dream, the idea, the tolerance, the civilization....
And 'we' can even afford those summer holidays to Greece and Spain for some sunshine and cheap booze, on sale 24 hours a day...to address those minor shortcomings of life in a quasi-socialist state that seeks to protext citizens from themselves...
The world has turned on its head. Sweden is not Sweden in the new conflict, the detached, invulnerable, remote, happy, place that no one wants to harm...it is more like Poland in 1938, a weak, vulnerable, ripe apple, hanging from a tree, in the wrong place at the wrong time...
And now it is being plucked...
Time for Swedes to take their 'curiosities' and 'interests' more seriously...their very society is on the front line and Islam is playing for keeps.
This is ultimately not about economics; it is about ways of life and ideas...and that tolerance in and of itself is desireable, a virtue, is what makes Sweden one of the most vulnerable places of all.
Anybody heard of Viking courage? Time to rediscover it.
Posted by: JTF at September 9, 2004 12:28 PM
Excellent man! Everyone go post there - mention the site, open some eyes.
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at September 9, 2004 12:39 PM
One more thing.
Swedes and scandavians who actually trouble to read this thread will surely have in the back of their minds...'Oh, but what about the povery. These people are poor, uneducated'
Here is a recent article from Honest Reporting on Palestinian povery. Islam, Jihad...these ideas empoverish is many ways, among them, financial poverty.
Posted by: JTF at September 9, 2004 12:43 PM
Hey Albertanator!
Check this out. Bi-lingual Arabic/English schools in, wait for it, ALBERTA!
http://districtsite.epsb.ca/root/ShowProgramProfile.cfm?Program_ID=4
And one of them is called, wait for it, MALMO School!
Are we having fun or what, eh?
Posted by: Mentat at September 9, 2004 12:48 PM
Wow! MALMO School. :-)
Well, I'm afraid I wasnt fully updated about the arabic school in Malmo. Apparently it ended up in a compromise because of the heated debate that followed after the decision to have a public school with arabic as first language. Not all swedes are stupid thank God.
It's still a capitulation in my view, considering it's not only kids born in other countries this concerns. Some are born in sweden and still they cant speak swedish.
"Arabic replaces swedish
Two days a week children at Möllevång School will have lessons in their native language. This much debated issue with education in arabic for pupils in Malmo schools will start this fall...
...This will grow in the future but we take one year at the time and evaluate before we expand it says project leader Sven-Johan Davidson."
http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10047054
In other words. It was a bit too much for some swedes so they call it something else now. But apparently with an aim to fully implement this after some time.
Posted by: swede2004 at September 9, 2004 1:39 PM
Bilingual education in Spanish has/had been instituted in many American states that have a heavy input of Hispanic immigrants. It has been a complete failure. In California, bilingual education was abolished by a voter's referendum. Many Hispanics supported it because they saw that their children were not learning English and were thus being ghettoized.
One wonders why Sweden does not consider the unhappy experience of many US states with bilingual education? The children do not learn the majority language and are inevitably ghettoized in low-paying jobs, if they get any jobs at all.
Posted by: Suzan at September 9, 2004 2:03 PM
The demand that Arabic be taught is not necessarily a demand made by native speakers of Arabic, for the children of native speakers. It is, rather, a Muslim demand -- for the Qur'an is supposed to be read in Arabic only (though obviously so many people are reading a text they cannot understand that translations are beginning to be used, with the understanding that only the Arabic version really counts). The demand for bilingual Arabic-anything schools is a Muslim demand, designed to further the spread of Islam. It was not an idle measure of Kemal Ataturk, in ending the use of the Arabic script for Turkish; that measure alone helped to weaken the strength of Islam, and certainly of Arab Islam, in Turkey.
Posted by: Hugh at September 9, 2004 2:10 PM
Swede 2004, thank for your help, do you know some translator swedish-english?, thanks
Posted by: Franze at September 9, 2004 3:10 PM
I guess I'm probably more than a few years older than most of the posters here, and forgive me if my memory is just a little hazy, but the Swedes, or at least the Swedish government, with the exception of their representative in Hungary, Raoul Wallenburg, didn't particularly conduct themselves well in WW II.
If I happen to be remembering correctly, this may or may not have much bearing on the whys and wherefores of the accommodation they afford to Muslim immigrants.
What does seem to set immigrant Muslims apart is the extent to which they expect the host countries to accommodate them. The countries from which they come certainly ain't hotbeds of tolerance and multiculturalism.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at September 9, 2004 3:21 PM
I'm a Swedish livning in Stockholm. I am 40 years old. It's true the situation in Sweden is catastrophic. Twenty years ago, I was proud of my country. Today I'm very sad because of the situation. It's not safe to walk the streets at night in Stockholm anymore. Arab kids openly show disrespect of Swedes, robbing them of mobile phones just to show their power. Gang rapes of young, always Swedish girls, is nowadays in the news every week. What the media don't report, however, is that the rapists almost ALWAYS are of Arab origin. There is no such thing as gang-raping Swedish men, I promise you.
It all started in the 80's. Iranian and Iraqi, Turkish "refugees" started coming. I remember the first ones coming to Stockholm. Today it's their kids who are ruling the streets.
If you ever travel to Sweden, jump into a taxi at the airport and talk to the taxi driver. You will most likely have a taxidriver of arab/muslim origin, one of those "refugees" from Iraq. The thing is, they fled from Saddam Hussein. Your taxidriver will most likely call Bush "a devil". And he might even defend Bin Laden, Al Quaida and what they did 11th of September. The one I hitched a ride with a week after September 11th did. No sympathy for my friend also in the taxi who had two colleges killed in one of the planes that crashed. After your taxi trip, whatever you do, don't pay with your VISA...that's the feeling you have in Sweden today, of insecurity.
I think it's time for the 70 000 Iraqis in Sweden to go back home now and rebuild their country now when Saddam is gone. By the way, Saddam has asked for asylum in...SWEDEN of course!
The thing is, in Sweden, Swedes are oppressed (is that the rigth word?). There is a saying: Swedes don't need a dictatorship, we have the dictatorship within ourselves. Honestly Swedes have to come to grip of what is happening, and dare to talk about it. Are we silently going to let Sweden, the land of Vikings(?)(used to be...)get a Muslim majority? What good did Muslims bring to Sweden? Honour killings? Womens liberation/right to wear burkas?
I feel Swedes have themselves to blame. Swedes are innocent, naive, shy, introvert people. (But are they stupid too?) The muslim immigrants never understand or respect that, just take advantage of it.
In twenty years the population has grown from 8 to 9 million people. One million immigrants in 20 years! At least 450 000 of the immigrants are muslims.
But what can you do when your country is being taken over?
Posted by: KafirPride at September 9, 2004 3:58 PM
John Wesley had this to say of Islam
Ever since the religion of Islam appeared in the world, the espousers of it...have been as wolves and tigers to all other nations, rending and tearing all that fell into their merciless paws, and grinding them with their iron teeth; that numberless cities are raised from the foundation, and only their name remaining; that many countries, which were once as the garden of God, are now a desolate wilderness; and that so many once numerous and powerful nations are vanished from the earth! Such was, and is at this day, the rage, the fury, the revenge, of these destroyers of human kind.
The Doctrine of Original Sin, Works (1841), ix. 205.
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Sir Winston Churchill:
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
.. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytising faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."
The River War.
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How on earth did our politicians decide that they knew better then John Wesley or Churchill? The present politicians will leave office, all with handsome pensions, but bequeath successive generations to face the consequences.
I see all Muslims, regardless of how benign they may be, as a threat to me and my civilisation. The reason is that Muslims themselves are forever claiming numbers as a prime reason to advance whatever is their current demand. Muslims have to be made to go back to their ethnic origin. If they do not, then it is going to end badly for everybody. And that really includes everybody.
at September 9, 2004 4:38 PM
Can Freud's concept of the 'death instinct' be applied to societies, as well as to individuals? I'm beginning to wonder.
Posted by: Doctor Phibes at September 9, 2004 4:40 PM
Thank you DP111 for the EXCELLENT quote by John Wesley. The quote by Churchill we already have. You probably know by now that I collect quotes and post them here:
http://www.nojihad.com/contributors/rubisco/rubiscopage.htm
I hope this list can provide ammunition for debating those mealy-mouthed leftist who give liberalism such a bad name. I hope you don't mind my adding this quote to the list in the next few weeks.
Posted by: Rublev at September 9, 2004 5:08 PM
Let us remember that ALL our countries are threatened by Islamic Monster so don't waste a second either being smug or condemning Sweden's
policies.WE NEED TO ACT NOW! Even those who don't live near Sweden can help in the War by spending time battling in the Blogs of the Internet for Swedish Cause/Survival.
As for Khaled, let us ignore this Muslim brainwashed Cretin.If he makes you angry, so much the better. We will FIGHT HARDER and be ENERGIZED.
Anything rather than apathy or dispair...
at September 9, 2004 5:32 PM
I have four words for my Swedish friends: SEND IN THE ARMY.
Posted by: Rottweiller at September 9, 2004 5:40 PM
Islam as a belief-system inherently inconsistent and inimical to Western principles of democracy and human rights must be acknowledged by European political parties across the political spectrum.
Then, 'containment legislation', a halt to immigration, an end to propaganda, and, when possible, deportation.
And all this, of course, will entail the use of police power, which Europeans will find utterly distasteful...and it is, but it must be done.
Unfortunately, as with the Nazis in the 1930s and 40s, folks generally will probably not grasp the gravity of the situation before it is too late; in this conflict what does that mean? I often ask myself that. I don't know. But whatever it means, it isn't good.
Robert Spencer and Hugh Fitzgerald should also become required reading.
And, for folks who have forgotten, Robert's book could not be translated into French because the publisher and translator were threatened...at least that is what I recall. I don't know if matters have changed. Perhaps Robert could update us.
Posted by: JTF at September 9, 2004 6:30 PM
i am left practically speechless to read about islam in sweden.
what on earth are our western political leaders thinking?
how far is this going to go?
how can we stop the moslems AND our governments?
and who ever said that bush was anti-islam?
he certainly didn't.
it he is our hope the west is doomed.
this is totally crazy!!! total blindness and incompetence.
Lord Help Us!
at September 9, 2004 8:07 PM
JTF:
Yes. Plans to translate my book "Islam Unveiled" into French were cancelled because of threats. There are no new plans to translate it, and it remains unavailable in French.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at September 9, 2004 9:03 PM
Malmo sounds like hell on earth. What a nightmare! I feel sorry for any native Malmo-ians who have to leave their own city because of these barbaric invaders.
Strange how when you get a lot of Muslims in one place it turns to crap. If they don't have some iron-fisted, corrupt, psychotic, evil, maniacal dictator keeping them under control, they act like a bunch of lunatics. I find this strange considering how Muslims keep blathering on about how wonderful and spiritual and good Islam is, and how decadent and unholy Western culture is. Yet you look at the evidence and it just doesn't prove the Islamics' point of view. That brainwashing they get in their mosques is some incredible stuff. It totally blinds them to reality.
These no-go areas of Malmo for cops sound so much like Muslim areas of Sydney. Same thing, Muslim gangs run the place, with crime being their source of income. But then their "prophet" was the same. He just stole and terrorised people for a living. They're just following this sicko's example. Islam is total evil.
Posted by: feralee at September 9, 2004 10:06 PM
The answer to this problem:
1. Send in the army. Round up the neanderthals - those who are illegals, immediate deportation. For the criminals caught - arrest and imprisonment, then deportation.
but obviously the Swedes are not about to do this, so --
2. If their govt. refuses to protect them, all Swedes should leave the city. No matter how much trouble it takes to do so. Leave Muslims to their own devices, praying five times daily to their pagan 'god', raping, murdering, drug-dealing, oppressing women etc. Let them rot in their self-created ghettos. Send no police or ambulances, give them no outside help at all - let them sink into their own barbarism.
Posted by: DianaC at September 9, 2004 11:41 PM
Yes, I'm all for deportation, but problem is their original hellhole countries refuse to take them back in many cases. Either they understandably don't want scum back in their own countries, or it's part of the whole worldwide Islamic expansion strategy. They insist we keep this garbage because it spreads Islam.
Here in Oz, we're stuck with one such puke (got many of them, but this one is particularly a problem). He's been in detention for years because India doesn't want him back. He's a Muslim separatist from Kashmir, and we all know what they're like! Can't really blame India for not wanting such crap back, he'd only go back to doing what he's programmed to do - mass murder in the name of Islam. So we're stuck with him. In permanent detention (unless of course Labor gets in, in which case he'll be free and probably suing for millions in compensation, followed by thousands more like him each year). 80 countries have rejected taking him.
Once they land on your doorstep, you can't get rid of them. The key is to keep them from coming in the first place. So far our policies have done that, stopping the Indo-Oz Charter Express Service people-smugglers were successfully and lucratively running a few years ago. Labor would start up this service once again.
So as far as Sweden, they're stuck with them, but need to get tougher. But as long as you got airy-fairy MultiCulti types running the place, they're screwed. They're idiots who stupidly insist on the fairy tale that all cultures are wonderful and equal - LOL! And they wouldn't dare offend the ethnic vote either.
Posted by: feralee at September 10, 2004 12:58 AM
"Once they land on your doorstep, you can't get rid of them."
What if we don't have any choice? What if we have the choice between watching our nation and our entire civilization be destroyed, or expelling them?
at September 10, 2004 5:46 AM
"And they wouldn't dare offend the ethnic vote either."
That's very true in Sweden. The left has over 80% of the votes in the worst immigrant areas. Last election a muslim woman was asked what she voted for. "The SOCIALdemocrats of course, she said, they give me the SOCIAL welfare money." !!!!!
I'm sure the socialdemocrats are doing nothing to stop beliefs like that flourishing among their so precious voters.
However, the problem is more complicated than that because we have the right wing who ALSO wants this mass immigration but for other reasons. Their aim is to undermine the socialdemocratic high tax welfare state by importing these people (35-40000 per year) who live on social welfare. When the economic collapse is a fact they will point the finger at the system and say: "We were right all the time, this system doesnt work. Now we try our low tax model instead."
Both left and right hide their real motifs behind the humanity and solidarity reason. As I see it it all boils down to the politicians personal greed.
But what is the use of political power (very well paid nowadays) or a change of the system where you pay a lot less in tax, when you cant walk the streets anymore, when your daughter is being raped, when you have hundreds of sleeping terrorist cells? This shortsightedness is amazing.
We're in a situation where we have no option among the established parties when it comes to stop the mass immigration. No solution in sight I'm afraid.
Posted by: swede2004 at September 10, 2004 7:20 AM
I can't believe what I'm reading... Ok, I've always believed that the immigrants have less knowledge (not only in swedish culture etc, but also in what Islam actually) but most of you people here are even more narrowminded!
So many things that has been said here aren't true, or only half of the truth has been said - in words that distort the reality (especially the selection of articles).
I don't have time to say everything I'd like to - and don't see the point with it either, since I'm realizing that it won't change anyones mind. But there are some certain things I'd like to comment.
Concerning Malmo School: The reason is that many children can't swedish (and that is something you can criticize without me arguing against you) in these areas, and because of the lack of language they fail in subjects like science, math etc. So the thought is to give them the same chance to pass these subjects. Still, this doesn't mean that they won't learn swedish. You can't pass school without passing three subjects, namely math, english, and SWEDISH!
The second thing that I'd like to comment:
Those of you who are blaming the religion Islam: I'd like to tell you that many of the immigrants in sweden only CALLS themselves muslims - no more than that (except that the women in their family might wear hijab). Sure - blame these people, but don't drag the real muslims with them. Not much upsets me as much as when seing a person calling him a muslim don't even know what the word salam means (it means peace, if you are wondering). They shouldn't call themself muslims if they can't live as islam say - without going against the rule of the nation they live in. There are no law in sweden going against Islam, so no so called muslim has the right to break a law and refer to the religion.
Ok, now I've left the topic I think, but I wanted to say that many "muslims" do wrong things, but where is the western individualism when you people start to accuse all the muslims as a group, for these crimes? Those who have been posting here seem to support collective punishment - is that a part of western culture that you are so proud of belonging to?
I'm second generation immigrant (born in sweden but my parents have immigrated). I've lived outside Malmo most of my life - in an area with only swedes (about 98%). This doesn't mean that I don't know Malmo - I went in college in Malmo so I spent most of the day there for 3 years. I'm a very openminded person - and I'm not defending Islam here because I belong to that religion, but because of the reason to that I follow that religion: it is ACCORDING TO ME (!) a perfect religion if you try to understand it. "Don't believe everything you hear" is what I have followed all my life. Just to show that I really mean it, I can tell you that I moved to Klippan - the "official place of racists" in Sweden. But during the entire period when I lived there I didn't hear a single racistic word. Conclusion: the place shouldn't be tagged as rasistic because of a bunch of persons behaving like animals. People in Klippan are just as nice as in rest of sweden, even to us who looks non-swedish. And this is what I tell all immigrants with prejudices, just as I tell people like those in here, to be more openminded instead of critisizing Islam.
Don't think of my comments as from another islamfanatic, because I'm not. Neither do I defend muslims in all situations - actually I'm known among my friends for being more AGAINST foreigners, than on their side. This is the third or fourth time I'm defending Islam - usually I'm the one critisizing what you would call "my native culture" - and defending the Swedish.
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Posted by: Rottweiller at September 9, 2004 05:40 PM
have four words for my Swedish friends: SEND IN THE ARMY.
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My brother is in the swedish army - of his own free will doing what many "real" swedish youngsters don't want to do. Another proof of immigrants that are taking part of the society's concerns.
Posted by: KafirPride at September 9, 2004 03:58 PM
There is no such thing as gang-raping Swedish men, I promise you.
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KafirPride, start reading the paper :) You say that you live in Stockholm? Well, just a few weeks ago placards (Aftonbladet, if I'm not mistaking) all over Stockholm were shouting about gang-rape Swedish men - and believe me - the guilty ones weren't muslim women.
at September 10, 2004 4:26 PM
Mass deportations to Saudi Arabia and afghanistan along with their left-wing supporters, the only answer. Let them build all the fundamentalist Islamic states that they want there.
Posted by: CHURKAMPIZDETZ at September 11, 2004 3:33 AM
"Concerning Malmo School: ..So the thought is to give them the same chance to pass these subjects. Still, this doesn't mean that they won't learn swedish. You can't pass school without passing three subjects, namely math, english, and SWEDISH!"
Of course the thought is good. You can always find studies that supports your line of thought in any field and refer to them to get your politics through. The people who decide about things like this are goodhearted swedes. But very naive and stupid.
"There is no such thing as gang-raping Swedish men, I promise you."
Of course there are swedish gang raping men. Compared to the immigrants they are in an extremely small minority though. And above all, the rapist is treated fundamentally different by swedes. A swedish rapists is rejected socially. Friends and relatives condems the crime and put themselves on the victims side. It's a sort of social punishment much worse for the rapist than the prison sentence.
What have we seen when rapist from cultures in the middle east is on trial? 50-60 people, relatives, friends attend the trial, threatens the victim, calls her a whore etc. They stand 100% behind their rapist relative/friend. In other words, the social punishment doesnt exist. He can live on as usual after his time in prison. This makes an immigrant from the middle east much more likely to commit these crimes and that's exactly what we're seeing in the crime statistics in Sweden.
Posted by: swede2004 at September 11, 2004 6:35 AM
"A swedish rapists is rejected socially. Friends and relatives condems the crime and put themselves on the victims side. It's a sort of social punishment much worse for the rapist than the prison sentence."
How many rapists in sweden - no matter if they are swedes or immigrants - ever get punished?! Almost none. There are so many cases of rapes where the case is closed because the girl was drunk! And by some strange reason we in sweden say that a person that hasn't been convicted in court, will not be that in the society either. No one in the society has the right to call you criminal even if it's obvious that you commited a crime.
"What have we seen when rapist from cultures in the middle east is on trial? 50-60 people, relatives, friends attend the trial, threatens the victim, calls her a whore etc. They stand 100% behind their rapist relative/friend. In other words, the social punishment doesnt exist. He can live on as usual after his time in prison."
In the middle east rape is punished by death, so the social punishment is not needed, cause you'll soon be dead anyway - at least if following islam. You are right though when you say that many relatives stand behind the rapist - but that's a cultural problem. It has nothing to do with religion.
"This makes an immigrant from the middle east much more likely to commit these crimes and that's exactly what we're seeing in the crime statistics in Sweden."
The reason for all rape-cases in sweden is the law that doesn't do anything if the girl is drunk!
at September 11, 2004 8:28 AM
"The reason for all rape-cases in sweden is the law that doesn't do anything if the girl is drunk!"
Yeah right! Do you mean it explains the abnormal overrepresentation in rape among middle east immigrants?
No it doesnt! Your way of arguing follows a too common path. I'm so tired of it. It's ALWAYS someone elses fault. Never the muslims or the immigrants. The self criticism is non existent.
In this case we have it in black and white. Not one single official source argue against it. The immigrant overrepresentation in violent crimes is a fact. The more violent the more the over representation. People with middle eastern origin are particularly represented when it comes to rape and especially gang rape. I'm sure the pattern is the same in other western countries with immigration from the middle east.
And you blame the system!
I also blame the system but from another angle. It doesnt kick these monsters out from Sweden often enough. And we should not care if the rapist risks torture or death penalty back home. He should have thought about that before he decided to destroy the life of his victim.
Posted by: swede2004 at September 11, 2004 10:25 AM
"Do you mean it explains the abnormal overrepresentation in rape among middle east immigrants?"
Who commits the most pedofile-crimes? PURE SWEDES! But I don't go and blame every swede for that!
"The self criticism is non existent."
You are utterly wrong there. I defend my religion, while I critisize the middle eastern culture (which is a part of me, even if I try to take distance from it).
"It doesnt kick these monsters out from Sweden often enough."
I wonder who you are pointing at when saying "monsters". If you mean rapists, criminals etc, I'm definitely on your side, but if you are generalizing to all muslims or immigrants, I think you need to seek up a psychologist.
at September 11, 2004 11:21 AM
Sweden can look forward to one of two scenarios.
They can allow the situation to deteriorate to that of Afghanistan pre Taliban, where all of the sane swedes will flee to save their hides. Which means every thing that's been cherished and built for the past several hundred years will either be demolished or ruint. Or, they can do like the Brasilians do, they round up illegals several times a year, immediately taking them to an airport, putting them onto planes (how's that for human rights?) taking them to a remote flat area that is outside of their borders. These people are rounded up with guns, forced out of the country with no food, no money and no say. They are told if they are caught again they will be shot. That pretty much takes care of that demographic problem.
It will continue to grow worse until either the swedes regrow their balls, or the moslems force them out of their own country. It's up to them if they think it's worth fighting for. Hopefully we'll see all of europe face this without any american military aid.
Should have left your asses in your WWII rubble and brought our troops home then. You'd have been so busy fighting off the soviets as well as rebuilding the left wing nutz wouldn't have overpowered your civilization allowing the flood gates to be opened to let in that which is going to be your demise.
at September 12, 2004 3:36 AM
Thank you so much for this site which I just discovered. I am learning more about the threat Western countries face. It's discouraging but far better to know the reality of what's going on
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