Why don't they build their own swimming pools with their own money? Why does the council have to shell out?

Posted by: Voltaire at September 9, 2004 6:00 PM

Aah. Lets not forget, La'italia is the brightesthope of anti-jihadism (alongwith the UK, maybe) in western Europe.

I hear that Italy has declined to approve of any further mosque building projects, elected itself a prime minister who calls a spade a spade, is fortifying its borders continuosly against an ongoing determ9ned influx of (mainly muslim) illegal immigrants and asylum seekers and has the broadest popular movement yet amongst the country's youth againstislamist immigration.

Its problems are manifold too. It has among the lowest birthrates in Europe and is in desperate need of immigrants. How Italy handles this problem can be precedent-setting for the rest of the west, maybe.

Posted by: voletti at September 9, 2004 6:05 PM

Why doesn't Italy get it's immigrants from Central and South America? They are of European ancestry and Catholic. And many Latin Americans would be glad to get out of their grinding poverty.

Posted by: Voltaire at September 9, 2004 6:07 PM

For those of you in Canada,just check out the
U of T website and see how they implimented a gender segregated sports program.
A while back I read a notice from the Phys-ed
Dept. that ask students to dress in a manner that didn't offend Muslim students using the sports
area. I now see that they have a gender-day for using the swimming pool,and seal up any windows
to assure privacy.
Don't be fooled by this ruse to make the West practise Islam by proxy,another Islamic website
want smoking and drinking banned on University
property( check out www.canadianislamiccongress.org to see the article)as part of their Muslim-friendly enviroments they're forcing on everyone else.
It's bad enough Islamic leaders want Shariah-law in Canada,but with only 400,000 Muslim living in Canada, how much longer must 31 Million non-Muslims adjust their lives to accomadate them.
They made the free will choice to move to a non-Islamic country,what the hell did they expect to find when they got here. Either they're out right stupid or expect us to be out right stupid enough to change our Country to make them feel at home.
If Muslims expect me to adhear to their law when entering a Mosque then they must undestand to adjust to the laws outside a Mosque.
But maybe their plan is to work towards an Islamic state in Canada so they can launch terrorist attacks on the USA while using our flag to hide behind.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 9, 2004 6:36 PM

When muslims install private pools in their own homes, do they get two....one for men, and one for women?

Posted by: Voltaire at September 9, 2004 8:11 PM

Why do Muslims insist that other cultures conform to their and make adjustments? Certainly they won't do the same for non-Muslims in Muslim countries? Immigrants should have no expectations that the dominant culture should change in order to accommodate them. They believe they have the right do this because the believe that the dominant culture is inferior and that all non-Muslims are their inferiors.

Posted by: epg at September 9, 2004 8:34 PM

"They made the free will choice to move to a non-Islamic country,what the hell did they expect to find when they got here. Either they're out right stupid or expect us to be out right stupid enough to change our Country to make them feel at home."

ala-sux, I think the answer is the latter - they expect us to be outright stupid enough to change our Country to make them feel at home. Perhaps they didn't really expect it, and if Western countries had backbone and told them to like it or lump it, then maybe they wouldn't make these demands. But they make their demands, want their exemptions, and we give it to them. How stupid are we?

They've done the same here in Australia, in country Victoria of all places. A big town called Shepparton, where they shut out men from a pool there for two hours a week so that Muslim women can swim without having nasty, slobbering, leering, lusting men ogle them (they wish!) It was a two year battle and the Equal Opportunity Act had to be granted an exemption in order to exclude men. It doesn't matter what the federal govt is like, whether they're left or right, if the local councils or state govts are more into this whole PeeCee multiculti bend over for the ethnic groups thing, then this sort of stupidity will go on.

Posted by: feralee at September 9, 2004 8:53 PM

"Why do Muslims insist that other cultures conform to their and make adjustments? Certainly they won't do the same for non-Muslims in Muslim countries? Immigrants should have no expectations that the dominant culture should change in order to accommodate them. They believe they have the right do this because the believe that the dominant culture is inferior and that all non-Muslims are their inferiors."

The country they move to is usually decades, if not centuries ahead of where they came from. Their new country has advanced their society, their economy and the living standards that are light years ahead of their country of origin.

They move here to enjoy those benefits and then somehow want to make changes that actually limited the advancement of their country of origin. Don't they realise that if they convert their new developed country into an Islamic state that it will fail? The reason they are enjoying their new country is because it DID NOT have Islam holding back its development?

Moose

Posted by: Moose at September 9, 2004 9:40 PM

This cannot go on. When in Rome, or for that matter in Bolzano, you will simply have to do as the Romans, or the altoatesini, do. And that's it. Punto e basta.

But the moral of the story, which is like a thousand other stories, is that Muslims in Europe, or in North America, or indeed anywhere, do not regard themselves as having to accomodate to the locals. These are, in fact, their countries, in their view. They belong to Allah. They are the people of Allah, and therefore, in the end, the illegitimate inhabitants, because Infidels, of Sweden, or Italy, or Israel, or any other place in the whole wide world. They are waiting, doing what they can to obtain the conditions that they deem necessary for the practice of Islam, willing to push and push as much as they can, and where necessary, to "defend Islam" (i.e. when the Infidels become too alarmed, and show some signs of reacting) even by retreating. But that is not a permanent retreat. The failure to understand how Muslims view the world -- the people in it, the lands in it -- is at the heart of the great, colossal, dangerous mistake of treating Muslim migration as just like that of non-Muslims. It is, in its effects on the Infidels, completely different.

Chinese also can be found all over the world. They have a long history. They have a distinct and respected culture. They do not require constant efforts at assuaging their self-esteem. They do not make demands on those among whom they live, but strive, like others, to fit in, to find a way to construct lives that are useful for themselves and not damaging to the established cultures. The same is true for Hindus, and for Thai Buddhists, and for all others. It is only Muslims, Muslims from all over, who present a particular and inextinguishable problem that cannot continue to be ignored, as if by ignoring it it will simply disappear. It will not. Things that every sane person knows, that every discerning person has observed, have to be brought out into the open. The future of our own societies and our own freedom depends on it. It is not too much to ask that this be spoken about, openly and clearly and without the usual sly apologetics.

That is not much to ask. And it is not much to ask that an immigration policy based on minimizing threats to the way of life of the Western world, to its freedoms, its view of human rights (including equality of the sexes, the right of complete freedom of conscience, and a host of other rights to be found in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but nowhere in the Declaration of Human Rights issued by the Muslim countries). Either immigration of those whose entire belief system is based on a denial of those universal rights is stopped, or those rights will ultimately disappear. That is the choice. Which do you choose?

Posted by: Hugh at September 9, 2004 9:46 PM

"They are free not to respect Islam"? For how long?

Ask the Christians of Sudan and northern Nigeria.

Ask the Liberals of Iran.

Ask the Jews of Saudia Arabia and Yemen.

Ask the Hindus of Bangladesh.

Ask the Sikhs of Pakistan.

Ask the Christians of Indonesia.

Ask the Buddhists of Malaysia.

Ask the Armenians of Turkey.

Ask the women or homosexuals of any muslim hellhole.

Posted by: kj at September 9, 2004 11:13 PM

Stories like this are proof that migration of these hordes of Muslims to Western countries is not about them "fleeing from oppression" or "wanting to better themselves and their families". It's about forcing Islam on the non-Muslim parts of the world. It's about taking over.

If you truly wanted to "better yourself and your family", you'd reject the policies, philosophies and strictures of your home country, not expect them in your new home. You have to be either incredibly braindead stupid or just plain devious to want basic human rights and equality limited or removed. It's obvious that Western countries are superior, safe, stable, progressive and good places to live because of our respect for equality and human rights; because we do not treat 50% of the population like walking genitals that need to be hidden, and the other half like rapacious, leering neanderthals with no self-control.

And what's even more amazing is the people in power, in politics, in these local councils and other levels of governments, who profess to uphold the values of their country & its people, but who turn around and allow these disgusting, backward, barbaric, hateful values and policies to override our beliefs. Whoring themselves for the Muslim vote.

Posted by: feralee at September 9, 2004 11:36 PM

In self defense the "infidel" countries should make it a policy to have their immigrants say an oath that they should peldge allegiance to the new country, conform to the culture of the country .

It is too difficult for those new immigrnats to do that, then let's tell them to take the next plane,boat,bus back to where they came from!!!

Likewise with people who come to work or play.

Posted by: jasmine at September 10, 2004 2:40 AM

In self defense the "infidel" countries should make it a policy to have their immigrants say an oath that they should peldge allegiance to the new country, conform to the culture of the country .

If it is too difficult for those new immigrants to do that, then let's tell them to take the next plane,boat,bus back to where they came from!!!

Posted by: jasmine at September 10, 2004 2:40 AM

Jasmine: An oath wouldn't mean a thing to taqiyya-people. If needed, they will lie with their hands on the Koran.

They need to be expelled. Now. Nothing less will do.

Posted by: Ali Dashti at September 10, 2004 5:41 AM

"They are free not to respect Islam, but the religion permits bathing just in costume only if there are just women present."

So just because they don't change the rules to accommodate the Muslims first, instead of everybody else, that's disrespect. What about them going into the pools in their clothes? Isn't that disrespecting to anybody else, who'd like to swim in clean water? Haven't they heard that in Italy people actually use the swimming pools in their bathing suit? Sure they must have known this, yet they decided to go and use it in their clothes anyway, contradicting Italian rules, and accuse the Italians with disrespect afterwards. If I don’t like the idea of men being present at the pool (for whatever reason) I won’t go in, they demand the men to get out.
I actually lost all hope a while ago that Europe can survive this. I’m a hundred percent sure that Europe as we know it will disappear within our lifetime.

Posted by: gloria at September 10, 2004 7:28 AM

KJ,

In reference to your post, I point in particular to the Chistians (and animists, don't forget them) of the Sudan.

Answer? For a long while, as long as they stay alert and well armed. Ever since they began to effetively fight back, look at what happened: the government signed a peace treaty, and them immediately began killing the black muslims of the country, who were unarmed (for the most part) and therefore easy prey.

Unfortunately, I don't think the West has woken up to the fact that when dealing with butchers, in or out of sheep's clothing, it's best to get yourself some butcher's tools and deal with them on their level.

Posted by: Walker Colt at September 10, 2004 2:47 PM

Feralee

I have seen too many PC rulings by judges that make me think that you may be dead-on,in Canada some public schools now have Islam being taught to children.
The scam I discovered was a "Racism and Islamophobia" course that Muslim organizations
created to indoctrine the anti-west mindset into the youth,or future adults. The material claims Muslims discovered American,and the 9/11 attack had nothing to do with Muslims or Islam.
Seems that the course refers to Muslims as a "Race" and hints at the European culture as the "White" Americans,I posted this info earlier on another subject about Muslims wanting a separate "Shariah-Law" Court system in Canada which is a right according to the Quran.

Also,I do remember a recreation centre that accomadated an Islamic group that wanted a "Female-only" swim day for girls from a local Mosque,thinking that was enough,I was shocked to see they also wanted a female Lifeguard and wanted her to dress according to Islamic code.
The lifeguard feared she couldn't rescue a swimmer if she had to wear a full set of clothes,the death of a child would be blamed on her even though she obeyed the request to cover her skin with clothing.
This demand was insane and I wonder what happens when a fire occurs in a Mosque,are the fire fighters expected to remove thier boots befor entering,or if a person is injured do the medics have to remove shoes and if ones a female does she come in through the "Female-only" enterance.

I keep hearing about the 1.2 Billion Muslims world-wide,but when a terrorist act is done by Islamists they same groups distance themselves for "those bad Muslims" that have nothing to do with Islam.
With only about .03 percent of the worlds Muslims living in America,is really sad that the hateful violent 99.97 outside America are ruining it for them by projecting a negative stereo-type.
It's just like the 1 percent of the good Lawyers that suffer from the image portrayed by the other 99 percent of the bad ones.

NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE

Posted by: ala-sux at September 10, 2004 5:43 PM