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More on the conspiratorial mind of the Muslim world. From the Jerusalem Post, with thanks to Hugh Fitzgerald:
Dr. Nawwal Nur and her son Hazem Saleh Abu Isma'il, who preach Islam in the US, were interviewed about 9/11 by Saudi Iqra TV on July 15. The host asked if the attacks had harmed Americans' image of Islam.Nur explained, "Not at all. It has not even been proven that Muslims committed it. There hasn't even been an investigation They are confused about what happened That is why more people converted to Islam."
Her son added: "I am one of those who believe these events were fabricated from the outset as part of the global groundwork for the distortion of Islam's image Even before these events took place there was preparation for them ."
On the third anniversary of 9/11, Arab and Iranian TV have been commemorating the attacks by airing such shows.
Aside from the occasional denunciation of the attacks, the murder of 3,000 Americans is often observed in the region's government-controlled TV with statements made by leading professors, religious leaders, government officials, and even Muslim-Americans that are often conspiracy theories stating that Arabs and Muslims were not involved and that the US government or Jews are the true culprits.
Many reasons are given as to why the US government would attack its own country.
Syrian researcher Tayyeb Tizini, interviewed on Iran's al-Alam TV on August 16, claimed that an intifada against globalization had broken out, and that in order to thwart it America attacked itself on 9/11:
"According to American and European documents, including the investigation of President Bush and his aides about 9/11, I'd like to say that 9/11 was an American action. These Americans began to understand that the new order must be marketed by a great event that would create new dangers for the world. 9/11 was for this purpose ."
Former dean of humanities at Egypt's 'Ein Shams University, Mustafa Shak'a was interviewed by Iqra TV on June 16, where he attributed the 9/11 attacks to the US and the Jews:
"To this day, we don't know who attacked the US on September 11. Why is the attack attributed to [Osama] bin Laden although it has not been proven that he was involved in the operation? It is way above his capabilities.
"Those who created him have made him a legend. The operation was 100% American, and this is not the place to elaborate, but what proves the operation was a Jewish one is that five Jews climbed up a high building and filmed the first attack of the first plane ."
At the Al-Shahid Mosque in Khartoum, Sudan on August 27, the imam 'Abd al-Jalil al-Nazir al-Karouri, discussed 9/11 during a Friday sermon that appeared on Sudan state TV:
" Let's say in brief, that whether the events and the destruction of the two famous buildings in the US were carried out by Israel's enemies, as the US claims, or by Israeli agents, as we claim, the outcome is the same: The Jews are the cause. These Jews hasten America's death.
"The US must beware. We offer this advice via the TV channels so they won't wake up when it is too late."
When he sent this, Hugh asked me:
Should not those who attempt to suggest that the attack on America was by American plotters, or American allies such as Israel, be subject to some kind of punishment? In other words, should it not be made the subject of legislation, so that, just as in Germany "Holocaust denial" is punished, this kind of thing becomes a punishable offense, perhaps leading to stripping of citizenship and subsequent expulsion?
It's a reasonable question. There are many examples in U.S. history of seditious and treasonous speech being limited. And certainly the allegation that 9/11 was the work of the US and/or Mossad is highly political, and plays into the hands of the jihad terrorists who were in fact responsible. Perhaps this is a question that should be debated by American politicians -- and I'm sure it will be, one snowy day in July.
Posted by Robert at September 22, 2004 9:41 AM
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No, it was Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Cat Woman, Two-face, Mr. Freeze, and Green Goblin who murdered 3000 innocent people in such a chicken shit fashion on 9/11, not the faultless Muslims......Everyone knows that.
The Muslims didn't fly planes into our buildings, it was the Starship "Enterprise" that had spun out of control and wrecked into the towers. The Muslims could never commit such artrocities. The hostages in the Middle East weren't really beheaded, they all had spinal degeneration in their cervica spine, and their heads just fell off.
These low life bastards really believe that we're stupid enough to fall for their bullshit, which makes them worth even less of a necessity for the human race.
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at September 22, 2004 10:29 AM
Didnt binladin already take credit for 9-11...the problem with these apologists is that muslims keep taking credit for their terror...embassies, the russain school, uss cole....etc...they take credit and then the local spokesidiot for muslims says 'it wasnt muslims'...duh
Posted by: USAgirl at September 22, 2004 11:08 AM
They keep repeating the same lie over and over again as do the Holocaust deniers in attempt to convince themselves that their lies are true. Certainly there are few in the West that believe that Bin Laden and his merry band were responsible.
As for atrocities, one only has to view the nightly news or, better still, go to various websites to see the scores atrocities that are committed by Muslims on Muslims and on non-Muslims.
To Muslims these things are relative. Beheadings of infidels or apostates are not atrocities but requirements. Stoning of women that are ACCUSED of impurity and honor killings are not atrocities. However, novels that "trash" the name of the Prophet are atrocities. Criticism of Islam is an atrocity. Arresting Muslim clerics for inciting violence or contracting murder against infidels is an atrocity.
Peace is the absence of enemies, tolerance is the acceptance of those that are cowed by Islam, and atrocity is violence against infidels or apostates simply because they don't adhere to their brand of Islam.
They conspire against the West in every thought and act on their conspiracies with every breath.
Posted by: epg at September 22, 2004 11:23 AM
So, I recently finished Burckhardt's History of Greek Culture. He said something that sounded familiar. He explained that Greek historians were superior to Persian historians because the Greeks were able to depict their leaders, cities, and individuals as people, with conflicting motives, passions, etc. They could critique their societies as individuals, rather than propaghandists.
He said that Persian historians are all but useless, because they were bound by their Zoroastrian faith to view the world as a war between Good and Evil, and were required by their rulers to depict them as always fighting on the side of Good. Hence, throughout Persian history, their emperors are incapable of doing evil.
Sound familiar? These Muslim deniers are basically operating with a dualistic worldview that requires them to see their side as incapable of doing anything wrong. It proves how evil we Christians and Jews are that we even go so far as to attack ourselves, just for the sake of blaming those otherwise spotless Muslims.
It's not for nothing that some historians have argued that the West/Islamic war is merely an extension of the old Greece/Persia conflict.
Posted by: scissor at September 22, 2004 11:29 AM
Seems to me that "banning" this kind of gibberish wouldn't accomplish much. We can't do anything about content in overseas media.
We could attempt to block websites with such nonsense, but that would be very expensive and ultimately unenforceable. It would be beside the point anyway. The only people we can even attempt keep it from are Americans, who are the ones least likely to believe it in the first place.
You can't fight a war by peacetime rules, but if we're going to compromise on our own principles in going after these bozos, let's pick cases where we'll get our money's worth.
Besides, events like Beslan do more to clarify the issues here than anything else I can imagine.
at September 22, 2004 11:53 AM
I know I have posted this before, but I cannot emphasize enough that Tariq Ramadan (Yes, the "Muslim Martin Luther"). Belongs to this same mindset. Here is my translation of an interview of this weasel less than two weeks following 9/11:
"No Arab or Islamic cause could profit from these (9/11) events, on the contrary: The Arabs and Muslims will suffer. With regards to those identified as the perpetrators, they drink, they go to clubs, they don't practice (Islam). Strange religious extremists. I ask myself whether or not Bin Laden is no more than useful terrorist like Saddam Hussein. A diabolical symbol one could use for alternate global strategies, both economic, and political."
(Ben Laden, coupable idéal?" La Gruyere, 9/22/01, http://www.lagruyere.ch/archives/2001/01.09.25/article4.htm)
The sheer ignorance and stupidity of the journalists and professors who praise him leaves me breathless.
at September 22, 2004 12:26 PM
Regarding scissors' post, there's an excellent article by cubed (a JW regular) at 6thcolumnagainstjihad.com entitled "Why Is Islam So Different From Us?". I highly recommend it.
Posted by: CGW at September 22, 2004 12:47 PM
George Orwell, an intelligent man (Many socialist fools who do not understand him call him a genius. Possibly the most over used epithet of the last century.) who was by inclination a socialist but was open minded enough to go to communist Russia and recognise what he saw. A corrupt, failing system that would rather see it's people die (by starvation mainly, but also by murder) than admit it was wrong, described many of the self delusions that occur under any monopolistic ideology; be it islam or fascism or communism.
One of the core ideological psycopathies he called double-think. The ability to believe two logically inconsistent beliefs at the same time and believe both. Don't forget that to the 'arab street' 9-11 is at the same time a Joooooish conspiracy to discredit islam AND a victory for islam over the decadent West. Their double-think continues on with how they see the Jews. They see them as inferior and hated by allah, and at the same time cunning and the puppet masters behind world events.
(Note to self, find something more positive next time you post)
at September 22, 2004 1:28 PM
That's their modus operandi.Blame the victim.If a woman gets raped and she isn't wearing a burqa or abaya or hijab.It's her fault.That's why I believe islam can't reform itself.How can they reform if they can't take responsibility and admit that islam and the koran is the root cause.
Posted by: RED at September 22, 2004 1:40 PM
"Should not those who attempt to suggest that the attack on America was by American plotters, or American allies such as Israel, be subject to some kind of punishment? In other words, should it not be made the subject of legislation, so that, just as in Germany "Holocaust denial" is punished, this kind of thing becomes a punishable offense, perhaps leading to stripping of citizenship and subsequent expulsion?"
Yes!!! The war we're facing now is unlike the previous wars on which our rules, laws, policies are based on. Some of our 'own' people have their allegiance not to the flag, but to their brutal religion. We need to flush them out, and legislate laws for that. ie. people whose allegiance is not to their country, the good ole us of a, but to that barbaric religion, should leave the us.
That's why when accepting immigrants, they should pledge allegiance and pledge to integrate, integrate, integrate, learn english, and should they be caught to have allegiance for something other than the usa in the future, they should agree that their citizenship be stripped asap.
Posted by: jasmine at September 22, 2004 1:57 PM
The host asked if the attacks had harmed Americans' image of Islam.
Nur explained, "Not at all..."
Not at all. In fact, we think MORE of Muslims and Islam now that they have murdered 3000 of our countrymen. In fact, we would like to than them for it!
Maybe Batman's enemies would like to take care of this moonbat as well.
at September 22, 2004 3:12 PM
I finally saw Moore's FRNHT-911 at a discount
cinema and my impression of it was that it's a comedy and not a documentary. I was amazed at how easily the audiance dined on Moore's "Cut-n-Paste"
method of comedy that Bob Crane made famous on his radio show in L.A. .
I found one website that's selling a DVD to show the Bush connection and the pentagon hoax that a missile hit it and not the Airplane. The evidence
for a claim of a bomb strapped to one of the planes that hit the second WTC tower,was a grainy
image copied from a TV image of a VHS tape.
I saw the actual vivid video of the second plane and there was no bomb,the DVD tries to fool people by asking why there was an explotion when the plane hit the tower.Another site claims the jets were empty and flown by NORAD with remote control systems,just like in the TV episode of
"The Smoking Gun".
Seems the Fire department was in on it too because they had a camera in the right spot to film the first plane hit.
I guess all the passengers (plus Barb Olsen)
are being held in the same warehouse as the Roswell aliens,the London Islamic group that praises the "Glorious 19" every year are also
secret agents with the CIA.
Moore tries to claim Bush saw the actual real time crash of the first plane,what Bush said was that "When he saw a plane hit the tower he thought that was a terrible pilot".
English is a tricky language,if I noticed a co-worker returning from lunch and is wet from rain,the evidence I saw indicated it was raining.
I could very easily grab my umbrella and tell a person I saw it was raining,if I worked in the lower level of a building with no windows, how could I have grabbed my umbrella based on saying I saw it was raining. Easy,basic logic would dictate that the co-worker got wet from a recent rainfall and I didn't need to be outside to know this.
The fact that someone is claiming that the Naudet
brother's video didn't air until wednesday doesn't prove anything,lots of people saw the first plane hit and reports to the president
aren't through CNN and CBS as some would have you believe.
The amout of "Out of focus" VHS frames are rampant when trying to prove a conspiracy,I don't care about the endless fuzzy photo's that may
seem to show a missile,it's the clear and vivid
images I want to look at and there are plenty out
there. While one group claims the plane flew at
600 MPH ,another group says the Muhammed Atta passport couldn't have travelled through the air
and landed on the street undamaged.
I guess all those body parts strewn on the roof-tops of buildings are fake and got thrown there
by the CIA,the WTC jumpers were hollywood dummies
planted in the WTC on Monday night.
Although,if Muslim Cleric's are trying to say that Islam doesn't produce people smart enough to pull off such a attack,then it appears Muslims are
to stupid to have done it and it had to be the much smarter Jews and Christians.
at September 22, 2004 6:50 PM
Peter,
your reference to Orwellian terms is nicely done. Replace big brother with Allah and the thought police with the religious police and whoa! You have Ocenia back on track in Taliban land...
at September 22, 2004 8:02 PM
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