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"Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great" (Qur'an 4:34).
From Reuters:
An Iranian woman, beaten every day by her husband, asked a court to tell him only to beat her once a week...."Just tell him to beat me once a week ... Beating is part of his nature and he cannot stop it," Maryam told the court.
The Tehran court found the man guilty and banned him from beating the wife, the paper said.
"If I do not beat her, she will not be scared enough to obey me," the husband said.
Posted by Robert at September 22, 2004 10:11 AM
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Assholes
Posted by: DCWatson
at September 22, 2004 10:17 AM
Arseholes! (Spelling it the British way.)
Wanting to be beaten just once a week? She'll be wanting to go out of the house next...
Posted by: Interestd
at September 22, 2004 10:59 AM
You know that this guy would runs screaming like a little girl if another guy challanged him...its like I have been saying, muslim men are the below the lowest creatures on earth...probably the only way he can feel superior is to hit a woman...wonder why those guys arent fond of infidel women....too bad he didnt meet lorena
Posted by: USAgirl
at September 22, 2004 11:03 AM
I think I broke up a fight between a 2 year old, and a 3 year old that used the same logic as seen in this case...
Boy#1
"If I don't hit him, he won't give me that toy!"
Boy#2
"IF he didn't hit me so much, I would give it to him!"
Moose
Posted by: Moose
at September 22, 2004 11:22 AM
Perhaps she asks for the once a week beating to prevent being beaten more often, using reverse psychology!
Posted by: epg
at September 22, 2004 11:25 AM
always wonder why cultural relativism is doing so well at western feminist studies departments.
you know the concept "western patriarchal feminists"? if you didn't, they are the ones imposing the imperialist notion of women's rights on their proud muslim sisters. gotta respect the others' desire to be beaten...
Posted by: Scandie
at September 22, 2004 11:27 AM
This just in from our favorite "right wing" dhimmi extraordinaire, Grover "Name-Everything-After-Reagan" Norquist:
The Greatest Generation is anti-American
Just when you think that Grover Norquist can sink no lower, he opens his mouth. In an interview with Spanish paper El Mundo, Norquist hit a new low. When asked about if he thought Democratic Party was coming to an end Norquist told Pablo Pardo of El Mundo:
"Yes, because in addition their demographic base is shrinking. Each year, 2 million people who fought in the Second World War and lived through the Great Depression die. This generation has been an exception in American history, because it has defended anti-American policies. They voted for the creation of the welfare state and obligatory military service. They are the base of the Democratic Party. And they are dying. And, at the same time, all the time more Americans have stocks. That makes them defend the interests of business, because it is their own interest. Because of that, it's impossible to bring to the fore policies of social hate, of class warfare."
That's right, [Norquist] is cheering on the death of America's Greatest Generation. Is he trying to channel the spirit of Joseph McCarthy?
Has he no sense of shame?
Link:
http://www.el-mundo.es/nuevaeconomia/2004/239/1095089802.html
at September 22, 2004 11:30 AM
Scandie, have you considered that feminists may consider Islam to be part of Western patriarchal culture? Have you ever even seen a college feminist? I have seen many and am one myself, and all the ones I talked to about Islam agreed that it sucked in general, and was in particular unfair to women. You guys, I swear, get stuck in that "the enemy of my enemy" mindset and say the crazyiest crap.
Maybe, just maybe the feminists of the West think they have their hands full just trying to keep up here, so why work on solving problems in Iran? Like they could make a difference anyway?
What really makes me shake my head is that of all these oppressed muslim women, you hardly ever hear of their fathers or their brothers coming to their rescue. No matter what my religion is or was, I am going to tell my future sons-in-law, "the FIRST time you hit her, your cock and balls are going to get cut off. I may go to prison, I may not. But you will never have your cock and balls again, and everyone is going to know it. Period. If you ever decide that you don't want her, bring her back to me."
But then again, I am not religiously insane, and I don't feel the same sense of "honor" (as in "honor killings") that certain religously-insane people do.
Posted by: kj
at September 22, 2004 11:40 AM
kj - As does peace, tolerance, and truth, honor has a different meaning in Islam as it does to us. Women are possessions and can have no honor outside of their identity with their family. A married women is now a member of her husband's family and her family loses authority and would not interfere in another family's business.
Posted by: epg
at September 22, 2004 11:49 AM
OT but relevant: The BBC is happy to remind us yet again that taking hostages and killing them is "un-Islamic".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/merseyside/3679080.stm
Posted by: Suzan
at September 22, 2004 12:20 PM
About halfway between my house and the gym I go to is a Madrassa school. It’s not unusual for me to see things there that bother me but yesterday topped them all. While walking home, I was treated to two such sights.
The first thing was a man with his two little girls, about six or seven years old. The man was dressed in normal American clothes. The little girls both wore heavy, ugly, lace-up black shoes and an outfit that consisted of heavy, grey wool pants to the ankles covered by an ankle length, long sleeved, high necked dress of the same grey fabric. Their heads were wrapped in thick, white scarves. That seemed awful enough to me, that two little girls needed to be covered to hide their “sexuality”. What kind of sexuality do tiny girls like that have? The only sexuality would be in the eyes of a pervert. But it got worse.
About a block later a boy and girl (teenagers) crossed the street and began walking in front of me. They looked like brother and sister. The brother looked older and was much bigger. He wore expensive sneakers, trendy clothes and had a set of headphones on, listening to music. His skinny little sister was dressed in the same style as the girls I’d seen earlier. She walked about six feet behind them and on her back was a HUGE book bag, so heavy she had to bend forward to carry it. She was also having trouble moving in the restrictive outfit she had to wear. And she must have been hot. It was about 80 degrees. Her brother didn’t turn and look at her once during the whole time I walked behind them. She struggled to keep up with him. It was a pathetic, heartbreaking and perverse sight.
People in their cars who were stopped at lights all stared as if they couldn’t believe the scene they were watching was occurring right here in America. Two young men, in particular, looked at the boy and girl with a mix of shock and hatred. Most of what I saw was disbelief and anger that a young woman was being treated as nothing more than a working animal. A mule. While her brother walked along, happy, without a care in the world.
I will never, ever forget that sight. Someone explain to me how this keeps women "pure" and "protected from corruption". It looks like slavery to me.
at September 22, 2004 1:21 PM
Big Sig, it doesn't keep them pure, it keeps them down. Muslim men are inadequate and cannot satisfy their women. They're actually much dumber than Muslim women and keep them down because they're afraid of them and their intellect.
The world of Islam, especially the "men" is the planet's largest inferiority complex. Like I said in my initial post: assholes......Century impaired barbaric cut throat bitches......
at September 22, 2004 2:00 PM
"Just tell him to beat me once a week ..."
LOL. Beware everyone, the end is near. This woman is so vacuous the Universe may implode on her.
at September 22, 2004 2:33 PM
Related column in today's Arab News: "Little girls wearing abayas"
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=51813&d=22&m=9&y=2004
My first thought is that fathers are trying to protect them from Muslims who wish to emulate Mohammed.
jay
at September 22, 2004 4:13 PM
RE: BBC Story
Thanks Susan. I saw that one, too, and again got nauseous.
"This is not 'Islam', folks. Don't forget that."
Why not explain why beheading, indiscriminate mass murder of Infidels in Jihad IS Islam, so that the British public can be warned, prepare, and defend itself.
And when that inevitable bomb goes off in the tube and British mothers and fathers mourn the loss of the children, the innocent, the unlucky commuters, the unfortunate tourists.
"Don't worry. This is not Islam folks. The folks who did this were not Muslims, even if they say they are..."
What utter, irresponsible, treasonous, horrifying, and complicit rhetoric from a news service supported by the British public...The BBC has blood on its hands, as far as I am concerned, because of their pro-Islam propaganda, their lies, misrepresentations, half-truths.
Scotland Yard should arrest John Simpson and company throw them in the tank. The charge: TREASON.
Posted by: JTF
at September 22, 2004 4:20 PM
Alera~ prepare to be banned.
Posted by: Gary
at September 22, 2004 5:30 PM
That or prepare for an aneurysm.
Posted by: Mike
at September 22, 2004 5:39 PM
Referring to Gary's post.
Posted by: Mike
at September 22, 2004 5:41 PM
kj.... go to talkleft.com, Then come back and tell me what the DemocRATS stand for.
They love Muslim’s, they hate the right and I mean hate!
There hate is so deep it has blinded them from the truth.
The right’s enemy’s are the DemocRATS friends!
The left claims that 89% of Americans are Christian... BS..
They may think they are Christian, but they also think all Muslim’s love peace and MoHAMmed was a good guy, because he mentioned Jesus.
I think that our sick Country believes that they can do whatever they want and still get to heaven, just because they say the name Jesus... What a rude and to late awaking they are going to get.
But hey they will get to spend eternity with all the Muslim’s, so they get what they deserve.
The KKK can call itself Christian, but they have not one scripture to back up there stand.
Muslim’s on the other hand can pick the nice passage’s if they want to be friendly or they will pick the bad passage’s when they want you gone. So Islam is Two faced and built that way.
Muslim’s follow MoHAMmed, who history shows is a Pedophile, Murderer, Rapist, etc...’
Christians follow Jesus. Who did Jesus kill? Or Rape? Or Murder? So if someone says they are a Christian but don’t even come close to being like him, then they are not with Him. Its very simple.
at September 22, 2004 6:02 PM
Their Hate. it should say.
Posted by: Bar
at September 22, 2004 6:07 PM
This is SICK - SICK! This poor woman would settle for ONE BEATING A WEEK..
Posted by: Morgane
at September 22, 2004 7:16 PM
Following on from JTF's comments about the pro-muslim scum of the BBC did anyone in the UK see tonight's Newsnight programme. First the BBC focused on the British hostage being held by those murdering Islamic vermin
and managed to turn the whole story into an anti-american rant. Then they had a piece about that sad waste of space yusef islam being banned from America. Again a completely one-sided piece defending the muslim singer (no mention of his supporting the fatwa on Salman Rushdie) and ridiculing the US . Finally a story about the muslim "scholar" due to move to some US university but who was stopped by the State Department from entering America. Again no comment from anyone against this guy just the scholar himself again attacking America. i feel sick that I and millions like me in the UK are paying our TV licence fees to fund this pro-Islamic , anti-American propaganda. For all you Americans who still think the BBC is the good, old voice of impartiality then think again. These dhimmis have an agenda to turn the British public against America and to accept muslim dominence in Europe.
at September 22, 2004 7:25 PM
JTF in a posting above mentions John Simpson, the antisemite, and confirmed hater of America (just read his little book on Iraq), and with good reason. The BBC World Service is directed by John Simpson, who is a good friend of one Peter Hounam. Hounam, in turn, is the author of "Operation Cyanide; How the Attack on the U.S.S. Liberty Nearly Started World War III." Now the attack on the U.S.S.Liberty in June 1967, in the middle of the Six-Day War, as has long been maintained by the Israelis was an accident, a case of friendly fire because the ship was believed to be Egyptian, is the favorite topic of anti-semites everywhere. But of course the whole thing has been put permanently to rest by the release, by the American government, of the tapes they possessed of Israeli pilots, demonstrating for all but the completely evil or moronic that it was a mistake (and by the way, if you were 2000 or 5000 or 500 feet up, could you, looking down in a jet, tell what flag -- on a windless day -- was being flown from a ship?). James Bamford likes the topic; so does Paul Findley; and so does John Simpson, in charge of the entire BBC World Service.
Simpson, John Simpson, has final say on what stories are covered, and precisely the language that is used. No "terrorist" acts in Israel, and no "terrorists," just "militants" and "activists" and so on. No Palestine Mandate, no "disputed" territories, , and has been amply confirmed by the tapes of conversations between Israeli pilots which the U.S. government finally released last year. He knows who will be covering the "Arab affairs," and decides whom to keep on, and whom to fire -- and if you want to keep your job, please keep hectoring the Israelis. If you haven't yet gotten with the program, do so -- or leave Bush House forevermore.
Now here is what one should do. Simply google "John Simpson" and "Peter Hounam." See if you think I have exaggerated in any way. See if this is not a scandal beyond belief. I want to be proven wrong. I want not to believe that the BBC World Service is headed by someone who is in up to his neck in conspiracy theories and anti-Israel activities (his friend Hounam, who moved heaven and earth to persuade Mordechai Vanunu to become an Israeli traitor and reveal its nuclear secrets -- no doubt in the hope of putting such pressure on the country that it would be forcibly de-nuclearized, and hence absolutely without any way of preventing annihilation by the Jihad.) But it is. And that is only a small part of the BBC story -- just listen to those sneering voices, of Judy Swallow and Robin Lustig and company, whenever either America or Israel comes up.
It is an extraordinary situation. We do not have to turn to Radio Berlin or Radio Tokyo for the Lord HawHaws and Tokyo Roses. They are right there, brought to you by your own tax dollars, and the tax benefits you allow to those who contribute to NPR, which in turn brings us a BBC that is biased beyond belief. In England, everyone is forced to pay a licensing fee to support the BBC, even if they hate it. A cruel bit of left-over statism. Imagine having to pay for prorgrams that lie and misstate. But the same thing is happening, on a slightly less blatant level, with NPR and its contributions. Neither taxpayers' money, or tax benefits (is NPR a 501(c)(3) organization, so that the late Joan Kroc's bequest was deducted from the amount tjat was owed the government in estate taxes, in which case the taxpayer is again funding NPR against his wishes, the same NPR that brings us the BBC without our request, or the desire of many of us.
Will someone take up the little matter of John Simpson and his clear and sinister antipathies?
One continues to hope.
at September 22, 2004 7:44 PM
Son Of Albion says:
"i feel sick that I and millions like me in the UK are paying our TV licence fees..."
I am curious and you are certainly not under any obligation to reveal this fee, but what is the cost?
I have satellite TV here in the US and pay about $40 a month.
I feel that I have a well rounded view of programming to watch.
NPR, on the other hand, is a public funded radio station which drives me nuts.
The only reason I listen to it is because I cannot find another "news" radio station in my area.
Posted by: Moe's Foe
at September 22, 2004 7:48 PM
"If I do not beat her, she will not be scared enough to obey me," the husband said.
This is Islam in a nutshell.
From Allah on down, only submission through fear is sacred and revered.
at September 22, 2004 8:29 PM
the FIRST time you hit her, your cock and balls are going to get cut off. I may go to prison, I may not. But you will never have your cock and balls again, and everyone is going to know it. Period. If you ever decide that you don't want her, bring her back to me."
Excellent!!!
Someone here asked about the BBC licence fee - it's £116 a year. Not sure off the top of my head what that is in dollars - call it $160, around $12 dollars a month. Not bad value overall - some of the best dramas and documentaries are on BBC 2, or, increasingly BBC 4. Quality matters more than quantity.
I agree about the bias in the news. As for John Simpson, I think he's mainly an opportunist. He strolled into Kabul claiming that the BBC, ie John Simpson had liberated it! But I would be interested to know if/when he has made anti-semitic comments - if that's so, I'll revise my opinion.
Posted by: Interestd
at September 22, 2004 9:04 PM
Hounan's books Operation Cyanide and Women From the Mossad both have in common the assumption that Israel is an evil, scheming, conspiratorial, 'entity'; in both books the 'Arabs' and 'Arab states' are the innocent victims of Israel's machinations; and Women From the Mossad throws up the idea that Israeli thermonuclear weapons serve no purpose but one (the whole 'deterrence' idea is belittled in the book as implausible because smaller 'Hiroshima' type bombs would do. Israel's supposed thermonuclear arsenal is simply 'too much for what it needs'): to exterminate Arabs and Arab states en masse (and maybe Europe and others?...if Israel is willing to kill Americans to achieve its ends (USS Liberty) then why not?)
The rampant anti-semitism should be obvious to anybody; Jews (in the guise of 'Israel') are presumed to be conspiratorial, murderous, inherently evil and utterly untrustworthy...also, Jews (the Jewish State and its 'American, Jew, partners') have mysterious global ambitions (hence constant reminder of the nebulous 'US/Israel' connection) and will not hesitate to murder to achieve their ends.
Classic anti-semitic themes.
"Die Juden Sind unser Ungluck" (the Jews are our misfortune) That was the message hanging from Nazi banners in the 1930s. That idea is precisely the fundamental assumption of Hounan's books and obviously the reason why he has gone to so much trouble to demonize Israel; and Simpson agrees with him and supports him completely in his efforts.
Hence, the messages: 'Don't be afraid of Islam...Terrorists are not real Muslims...Be afraid of the United States and Israel, especially Israel; those Jews, you know, they influence and manipulate America and their leaders; 'they' lust for global domination, capitalist manipulation and gain, supermacy: those evil, greedy, conspiratorial, lying, shadowy, 'rulers' behind the scenes...'
Those are the messages Hounan wants to get out in his books. And, tell me folks. Aren't these messages precisely what the BBC tries to project with story selection, tone, rhetoric, emphasis, vocabulary, pictures and film clips?
Posted by: JTF
at September 22, 2004 9:47 PM
Interestd casually mentions:
"Someone here asked about the BBC licence fee..."
Apparently, my "handle" just ain't 'trackin the attention to get a personalized response?
Oh well...
Posted by: Moe's Foe
at September 22, 2004 10:09 PM
Hey Moe's Foe,
I pay around 35 bucks myself for a bunch of garbage, and the cartoon channel doesn't make up for it, frankly, but, in my humble opinion, Bugs and friends alone might be worth the 12 bucks our friend is paying.
But, you know, if I knew my 12 bucks was going to support folks like John Simpson, I would not even be able to look Elmer Fud in the eye...I would have nightmares, "I hate that Rabbit! I hate that Rabbit!"
And callin' that son of a bitch a 'rabbit' is being more polite than Christopher Robin on a sunny day in the Hundred Acre Wood.
Posted by: JTF
at September 23, 2004 1:09 AM
Moe's foe - sorry that's a fantastic handle!
At least yours gets spelt right - mine always comes up without an e, even though I always sign in with one.
Posted by: Interestd
at September 23, 2004 6:41 AM
Hmmm... All of this brings to mind one thing: UNDERGROUND. An underground should be started to protect ourselves and our citizens from dear ole allah! I don't think our government can do it all, or will do it all. The people must be prepared.
Americans should start organizing ways of protecting themselves by training and preparation.
There has never been a war that was expected or anticipated by the populations. Just think of Germany - 1930's/40s, or just look at parts of France, Sweden and many other European countries stuck in Islams Hate Kingdom and their denial of their governments to stop the criminals. How many more killings, gang rapes, mutilations are we to endure when NONE our governments can admit who the criminals are?
Perhaps, when ready, our government would welcome the 'army of the willing' to help protect our peoples.
Time to take charge. No good citizen should be unprotected in the world today. One has to think there are already groups out there that exist. One more attack from the "religion of piece" should jumpstart it all.
BTW: this underground group should not be criminal thugs harming innocents. They should simply be a protectorate of our countries and local areas and of ourselves - if and when we and/or our countries need it.
Posted by: Samantha
at September 23, 2004 8:20 AM
Just to clarify the BBC licence thing a bit more. Just for the right of owning A TV set in the UK means you have to pay a licence fee of £116 a year which mainly goes to fund the pro-Islamic BBC. For that money you get 5 channels - if you want cable that costs you extra per month. So we have no choice in the matter - even if I never watch the BBC I still have to pay that money just for owning a TV set. And it's rubbing salt in the wound to know that my money is funding programmes that constantly promote immmigration, constantly attack America and Israel and constantly promote islam. Imagine how you guys in the US would feel if you had to pay $160 a year to own a TV set and you knew that money was going to fund Al-Jazeera .
Posted by: Son Of Albion
at September 23, 2004 8:21 AM
Son of Albion:
Do something about it. Start a petition, talk to others about it - just DO something.
Doing nothing will surely get you nowhere. Doing SOMETHING surely may have the same effect, but at least you would have tried. Get a team of likeminded people to help you or find a group that is already watching them - due to their sickening display of attempted "journalism".
Get on the phone, go to groups that you think agree with you - and get BUSY. There is so much you can do. Do not rest. Get busy!
BTW: I WISH you all the luck. We (in the US) hate those nitwits as you do. They should be tried for treason. CNN is similar to the BBC - just a tad less criminal, but criminal all the same. Also, try the site HONEST REPORTING. You may be able to get some help there.
Posted by: Samantha
at September 23, 2004 8:38 AM
Bar vomits: kj.... go to talkleft.com, Then come back and tell me what the DemocRATS stand for. They love Muslim’s, they hate the right and I mean hate! There hate is so deep it has blinded them from the truth. The right’s enemy’s are the DemocRATS friends!
So, why don't you got to freerepublic.com or liberalscum.com and tell me what the republiKLANs stand for. They love Nazi's [sic], they hate the left and I mean hate! "There" hate is so deep is has blinded them from the truth. The world's "enemy's" are the RepubliKLANS friends! Oink! Oink!
What a fool.
As for the query: That seemed awful enough to me, that two little girls needed to be covered to hide their “sexuality”. What kind of sexuality do tiny girls like that have? The only sexuality would be in the eyes of a pervert.
Like the eyes of Mohamed (Piss be upon him) who fell in love with and married a six-year-old baby named Aisha, but don't worry... his dozens of wives and sexslaves managed to assuage his lust so he was able to abstain from molesting her until she was 8-1/2 years old.
Too bad that Aisha's father didn't do the right thing: kill any dirty old perverted 53-year-old letcherous wretch that dared to express a lust for his 6-year-old girl. That should have been perfectly acceptable in that culture, and if you don't believe me, the next time you see a Muslim out walking his pets (daughters) and they look like they are about 6, ask him if you can marry one of them... if you can get a word in edgewise, assure him that you won't f*ck them until they are 8 years old. Or better yet, go to Saudi Arabia and do it. I dare ya.
I don't know exactly what the average mo-bot would do, but it is easy to imagine it wouldn't be very nice. I DO know what I would do: kick the pervert between the legs so hard it would blow his eardrums out.
Mohamed was just like David Koresh (alas there was no Janet Reno or Bill Clinton to deal with him): "Everything for me, me, me; and nothing for anyone else, except a little for my followers." Koresh ate ice cream and woulnd't let any of his followers do the same. He screwed every female in the compound over the age of 10, even the WIVES of his followers. He heard voices tell him that he was a prophet of God. Sound familiar?
at September 23, 2004 11:59 AM
Hey, for all of you that think its funny that France could become a Muslim country... if the loss of the Louvre isn't enough to bother you, remember this: France has nukes. Lots of them.
Posted by: kj
at September 23, 2004 12:17 PM
We don't think it is funny, KeithJoy. We DO think it is a shame your compatriots find it amusing to side with islam.
Posted by: Gary
at September 27, 2004 10:39 AM


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