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Another magnificent and informative piece on the real dimensions of Vatican dhimmitude from Sandro Magister in Chiesa, with thanks to Anthony:
ROMA – There is a word that both the pope and his newspaper, "L'Osservatore Romano," carefully avoid saying or writing. It is the word "Islamic" as applied to the terrorism of such origin.John Paul II did not even use it on the third anniversary of September 11, 2001, speaking to a group of bishops from the United States.
Much less does "L'Osservatore Romano" use it. A day does not go by that the newspaper does not make note of "attacks," "assaults," "kidnappings," "violence," and "assassinations" carried out by Muslims. But not even once does the paper apply that description to the authors of the terrorist acts.
Another deafening silence from "L'Osservatore Romano" is that concerning the quality of Islamic terrorism: the absence of limits with which it works, in particular when it deliberately massacres children.
The car bombs detonated in Baghdad on September 30 in the midst of dozens of Iraqi children attending a celebration for the inauguration of a new water conduit, killing 37 of them, were chronicled by the official newspaper of the Holy See under the caption: "another day of ordinary violence."
There is a Realpolitik motivation behind this understatement from Vatican authorities and their newspaper: silence on the Islamic origin of the terrorist offensive is the price paid to protect Christians from more serious threats, and in particular the Christians who live in Muslim countries.
But at the same time, the Vatican is aware that the current "fourth world war" (the words of Cardinal Renato Martino, imprudent as usual) against the West, Christianity, Judaism, and Muslim “apostates” is not the result of generic terrorism but of Islamist terrorism.
Proof of this awareness comes from the editorial in the latest edition of the magazine of the Rome Jesuits, " La Civiltà Cattolica."
"La Civiltà Cattolica" is a very special magazine. It is by statute at the service of the pope and the Holy See. Every one of its articles is examined by the Vatican secretariat of state before being taken to press.
An editorial in "La Civiltà Cattolica" thus carries significant authority. It reflects the point of view of the highest Vatican authorities, and finally that of the pope.
But at the same time, "La Civiltà Cattolica" is also an expression of the Jesuits who write for it. Thus it can say more than the individual authorities of the Holy See would themselves say.
So, in its latest edition, "La Civiltà Cattolica" dedicated its lead editorial, which is unsigned, to "terrorism of Islamic origin," thus named from the beginning of the article.
Here follows the entire first part of the editorial, which surveys the last three years and analyzes the aims and methods of Islamic terrorism: in particular, its "loss of even the most minimal sense of humanity."
The second part of the editorial, which is not reproduced here, examines a recent document opposing terrorism which was signed by 26 Muslim figures who live in Italy: it is an admirable document but, according to the magazine, is not representative and has no influence with the bulk of the Islamic groups, which are linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, that control the mosques.
Three Years of Struggle against Terrorism
From “La Civiltà Cattolica” no. 3703, October 2, 2004
There is a tragic conceptual connection beginning from New York on September 11, 2001, and reaching Beslan, in North Ossetia, on September 1, 2004. It is the connection of terrorism of Islamic origin, which in three years has sown death in many places all over the planet: 2,823 dead in New York and Washington (September 11, 2001), 202 dead in Bali (Indonesia, October 12, 2002), 21 dead in Jerba (Tunisia, April 11, 2002), 31 dead in Pakistan (March-June 2002), 45 dead in Morocco (May 16, 2003), 52 dead in Riyadh (Saudi Arabia, May 12 and November 8, 2003), 63 dead in Turkey (November 15-20), 175 dead in the Dubrovka theater and 39 in the Moscow metro (February 6, 2004), 191 dead in Madrid (Spain, March 11, 2004). The series ends, for now, with the 400 dead – 156 of them children – at the school in Beslan (September 1-3, 2004). This list does not include the countless attacks that spill blood nearly each day in Palestine and Iraq, whose victims are no longer even counted.
This shows that three years of fighting against terrorism have brought scarce results. Not only have the leaders of al-Qaeda not been captured, but they are to use al-Jazeera – the television network in Qatar, which is offering a precious service to Islamic terrorism – to make threatening declarations; and if a few terrorists, generally from the lower or middle ranks, have been killed or captured, even more have probably taken their place. And this is in spite of two wars (Afghanistan and Iraq) conducted by the United States and its allies, and one (Chechnya) conducted by Russia; and even though the United States has spent – it is said – 144 billion dollars to combat terrorism.
Thus today the world finds itself under attack by a terrorism that in a few years has changed greatly – unfortunately, for the worse – in terms even of the recent past.
* * *
In reality, Islamic terrorism has not changed the goals that it has pursued from its origin to the work of Osama bin Laden: to fight the Jews and the "crusaders" (the Christians, seen as inveterate enemies of Islam); to fight against the Western world – and the United States in the first instance – that seeks to dominate the Islamic peoples and rob them of their riches and which, moreover, because of its atheism and corruption, constitutes a grave threat to the Islamic faith; to vindicate the offenses and damages that Western colonialism has inflicted upon the dignity of the Islamic peoples and upon their culture and economic development; to strip of power the governments of majority Islamic countries that are allied with the West and have permitted the American military to trample upon the holy ground of Muslim countries and have served as logistic and military bases to fight against other Muslim countries and deprive them of their oil, the great resource that Allah has given to the "believers," denying it to the "infidels."
Read it all.
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Quite obviously the Zionist fools running this failed invasion are determined that American forces will stay, because this is Wall Street's very last chance to steal Middle East crude oil, and they don't give a damn how many American or Iraqi lives they have to sacrifice in the process. But even they in their madness know that soldiers have to eat, and have now resorted to desperate measures to ensure that the convoys got through. Six weeks ago, Wolfowitz & Co. ordered that all convoys carry vast quantities of candy, to be used to entice young Iraqi children towards the American vehicles, there to be used as tiny "human shields", in the vain hope that Iraqi forces would refrain from attacking the convoys because of the risk to their own children.
Sick? Yes of course it is, but then Wolfowitz is a Zionist Jew, and you need only look six hundred miles further west to watch about five million of his depraved cousins doing exactly the same thing to Palestinians in occupied Palestine. We have all been relatively desensitized over the years, as a seemingly endless chain of Zionist snipers have grinned and given the thumbs-up, after blowing a hole though the skull of an unarmed pre-school Palestinian child. The reality is that Zionist Jews like Wolfowitz are mass murderers and child-abusers, who will continue killing and abusing until we finally sentence them to death at the forthcoming War Crimes Tribunal.
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at October 6, 2004 10:13 AM
Unlike the muslim pigs that were high fiving each other after gunning down a pregnant woman and her 4 small daughters...must have made the pigs feel like real men huh....big tough muslim male can walk up to a car and gun down a baby girl strapped into her carseat...f**cking pigs....and they get to keep justifying blowing old women off buses and little kids out of their chairs in ice cream parlors by saying 'its all the jews fault'...bull sh*t karl you wont convince anyone here that muslims are sweethearts and the jews are all to blame...muslims have been doing that for years and we dont buy it. Mulsims are following their deathbook the koran and doing as mohammad ordered them to....so if Israel ceased to exist and there were no Jews left in the world, the muslim terror would stop??...BWHAAAAA...they wont stop until their crappy sharia is law over the planet, and unfortuantly for them the civilized nations of this world dont want to be ruled by a crowd of muslims who are one generation from swinging from trees and eating bugs off each other...a war they want and a war they are getting.
Posted by: USAgirl at October 6, 2004 10:26 AM
the catholic church is no friend of israel due to its convoluted replacement theology intepretation of the bible.
i spoke to a priest yesterday who did not want
jews to hear the gospel in contradiction to:
Romains 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the JEW first, and also to the Greek.
the catholic church is apostate and does not deserve the designation : Christian
Posted by: forrest shalom at October 6, 2004 10:27 AM
Have been heartened to read comments on notoriously Leftist BBC 'Have Your Say' where
many are stating [and being printed] that WE ARE AT WAR! So reality is starting to affect the ostriches at Aunty Beeb as well as the Guardian.
at October 6, 2004 10:36 AM
The Vatican has had 1400 year-experience with Islam, but the belief that silence will protect Christians is naive. The proof is demonstrated in the way that Christians are treated in Muslim lands. I don't call that protection.
Christianity may on the way out in Europe as more Muslims move in and force out or force convert Christians. A huge mosque in Rome is now the Vatican's rival, and if and when (there still is hope) Islam takes over, Christians will be silenced in the same way that are in Muslim lands, not allowed to speak and barely allowed to worship. (See the story about the nuns that were forced to close their school because the gym was used as a church because their church was destroyed.) Silence is not protection, it's giving in.
Posted by: epg at October 6, 2004 12:00 PM
Karl
How do you type with that white hood on??
Put the glue down and step away....
You anti-Semite!!!
You Karl are not worthy of freedom, you sir, look for hand outs from a better man than you!
And that man thats better than you, Karl...
He is a JEW...
No Islam, Know Peace
Posted by: Bar at October 6, 2004 12:06 PM
Dont the nazi wannabes make you laugh...for the most part they are WHITE and most importantly NOT MUSLIM....the sniveling little nazi wannabe will be kneeling next to the Jew, Christian, Bhuddist and any other non muslims waiting his turn to have his head sawed off...what they think if they are united in their hatred of Jews that the muslims wont slaughter them when they have no more use for them...sorry all that they will find is their sad little shaved head being held up before the camera while his "muslim brother" screams about how great his god is.
Posted by: USAgirl at October 6, 2004 12:24 PM
So the truth is now anti-Semitic is it? Facts are now anti-Semitic? So lets put facts inside prison, lets lock away the truth for being anti-Semitic.
The one and only cause of anti-Semitism is Zionism. Zionism is the disease, anti-Semitism the symptom. All anti-Semitism is caused by Zionists to cause innocent Jews to suffer and turn to Zionism as an answer, which just leads to more anti-Semitism and more suffering. Jews should make there voices heard: Anyone that breaks the commandmant, "Thou Shall Not Kill" is no longer a Jew and is an enemy of all Jewish people, wether they kill another Jew or any other human being, wether in "self-defence" or not, the commandmant says "Thou Shalt Not Kill" The Zionists interpret that as "Thou Shalt Not Kill a Jew" as they believe that "goyim" are not covered by the commandmant as they are not human.
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 12:30 PM
That would be nice if the muslims didnt have the "kill all infidels" commandment...there is nothing in the koran that states peace and harmony for infidels, when the muslims adopt a THOU SHALL NOT KILL ....ANYONE including infidels...we can talk, until then, muslims have a 'kill all infidels' but 'leave us alone' policy, and that policy will not be tolerated.
Posted by: USAgirl at October 6, 2004 12:50 PM
Actually according to Islam, Muslims are not allowed to break a peace treaty they have with non-Muslims, as long as there is a peace treaty then there will be peace. There is no peace treaty with Israel, Arabs do not recognize Israel's "right" to exist in it's present form, yet crucially Israel does not recognize the rights of Arabs to exist at all. Israel believes that it owns all the land from Palestine to the River Euphrates, known as Eretz Israel, to achieve Eretz Israel all Arabs/Muslims in Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, and parts of Turkey and Saudi Arabia, must be exterminated (apart from keeping some as slaves to use on the sabbath), this is a fact. Until there is a profound change in Israel and Arabs are seen as Human Beings, who have a equal right to live as do Jews, there cannot be peace and Israel will continue to exist in a constant state of war. Remember, the Arabs do not have the power to end this conflict, the power has been taken away from them, only Israel can end the conflict.
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 1:20 PM
Pretty sad to see/read all the hate. Some of it latent and some not so latent (i.e. anti Catholicism and anti Semitism).
What's the point? No wonder we can't defeat the enemies of Western Civilization.
Maybe if we stopped blaming the pope, the jews, the visigoths, the redheads, the post office, etc. we could get down to the business of defending the nation.
Posted by: peggy at October 6, 2004 1:31 PM
Karl, you hate Jews, just because they are Jewish...
Yet you call us the haters!
You wouldn’t know the truth if it bit you on your shaved behind??
You are obsessed and consumed by your hatred for Jews and their God.
The two most common elements in our society are hydrogen and stupidity.
You sir, prove the latter.
We discriminate against Islam because we read the Qur’an.... We know our history...
And Islam’s history..... That is what makes us smart.
You hate Jews because they are Jewish.... That is what makes you a racist!
Gen 12:1 And Jehovah said to Abram, Go out of your country, and from your kindred, and from your father's house into a land that I will show you.
Gen 12:2 And I will make you a great nation. And I will bless you and make your name great. And you shall be a blessing.
Gen 12:3 And I will bless those that bless you and curse the one who curses you. And in you shall all families of the earth be blessed.
No Islam, Know Peace
Know Jesus, Know Peace and Hope and Love.
How about the picture of the Pope kissing the Qur’an!
The Vatican is as power hungry as ever!
at October 6, 2004 2:09 PM
So why do you say I hate Jews? You want me and everyone else to hate Jews and drive them into Zionism. You are the anti-Semite. You are the cause of anti-Semitism. You are the one who has cursed the Jews. You are the one who is cursed.
If you knew Islam's history you would know that Islam honours the same prophets as Jews. You would know that the Arabs are descended from Abraham also, and you have cursed them and yourself. Or do you believe the racist belief that the Arabs mixed with others so they are no longer racially pure descendants of Abraham? It is people like you who will never know peace and have made peace in the Middle East impossible.
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 2:25 PM
I am a catholic and I am not agree with these opinions, I would like that the new Pope was more in the ideological line with islam like Biffi, but only the Vatican is criticizing with power the muslims terrorism, nor the anglicans, nor the presbyterians nor the orthodox.
Few months ago in Argentina the most important jew comunnity in South America and the Catholic Church spoke and signed a document where the Church criticizes the antisemitism and antisionism.
In addition the Catholic Church converts muslims in many countries but almost always are a secret like Italy because the apostate is punished with the life and many muslim know it like the algerian that converts in a italian prison or the many and many arabics that go to the Mass in other districts in Italy for not seen, and the conversion is the most effective methode the stop the terrorism.
at October 6, 2004 2:47 PM
Posted by: Karl
“Zionism is the disease, anti-Semitism the symptom”
"Thou Shalt Not Kill"
Exo 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Thou shalt not MURDER.
The Hebrew word for kill is (ratsach) raw-tsakh'
A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).
No where in the word of God does he say to not defend yourself.
To blame others for your own choices goes beyond absurd.
I see how the Jews have oppressed you to a point that you had to become a racist.
You will only be free after you except Islam. Then and only then will you be free to hate with impunity like all the Mohammed’s before you. Islam is the only religion in the world that allows and encourages hate and murder.
This really sounds like a plus for you Karl, Islam stands for everything you hold dear.
Your disease of anti-Semitism is manifesting itself in the form of
Cranial Rectal Inversion, you should see a Moslem doctor soon.
No Islam, No Peace
Posted by: Bar at October 6, 2004 2:53 PM
Karl
Do you know what Zionism means?
I am having my doubts.
at October 6, 2004 2:59 PM
Zionism is the 4000 year old belief in Jewish supremecy over non-Jews. The belief that Jews are entitled to special rights that non-Jews don't have because Jews can bargain with and make deals with God, something that non-Jews cannot do, because they are "subhumans".
Since when is murder not killing? It is acceptable to kill but not to murder? So all those people killed in the Old Testament were killed but not murdered which makes it OK? All those Palestianians killed were not murdered? Or do you believe that murder applies only to humans and since non-jews are not human they cannot be murdered, only killed?
Why are you insulting me? Why not actaully answer the question? Why do you not consider the Arabs to be the descendants of Abraham? The Jews are descended from Isaac and the Arabs from Ishmael. Genetic tests proved that the Jews and Palestinians are a related people, which means the Arabs are blessed through Abraham. It is easier to throw insults than to actaully consider the issues.
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 3:21 PM
Karl
You haven’t backed up anything you have said....
You do like to keep accusing I see...
That is a tactic to keep your opponent on the run and your from having to face the truth.
You quote yourself and attribute it as fact...
Walk the walk, don’t just talk the talk.
You should learn the words real definition not the racist meaning before you go off.....
Your definition of Zionism is not correct...
I cant find that in any dictionary that isn’t printed by the Third Reich!
Posted by: Scott
Karl
Lay off the Matrix movies for a bit.
I concur....
No Islam, Know Peace
at October 6, 2004 4:11 PM
If Zionism is about a Jewish homeland, why did they reject an offer of a homeland in Madagascar and Uganda? Because they wanted Palestine, because they wanted to act as a wedge between East and West, to inflame tensions between people.
A American Catholic priest said about Israel "It is true that Israel is our best friend in the Middle East, but until it was, we had no enemies there." Which accurately describes the problem.
Tell me what truth I have to face? That Jews are a Chosen race? That non-Jews aren't human? If you have the truth the tell it.
There are Jews that believe in Zionism that have been manipulated into believing it is a noble cause, but these aren't political people, perhaps Zionazism would be a better term, those that believe in the "Chosen Jewish Race" superior to all others. In what way is that any different to what the nazis believe? Who is the racist here?
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 4:42 PM
Posted by: Franze
and the conversion is the most effective method to stop the terrorism
I agree, I am just not sure if Catholicism is the way to go.
I say this understanding the good that Catholicism has brung.
Where I have a problem is with the church hierarchy not living the Principles that Jesus taught
to allow any priest to molest and abuse Gods children and not hold them accountable is an abomination.
The history of the Spanish inquisition shows the Catholic Church in Europe is not about bringing the Gospel to the world, but about a power grab.
The scribes and Pharisees where the Church hierarchy in their day.
Mat 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left undone the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy, and faith. You ought to have done these and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Mat 23:27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones
Posted by: Bar at October 6, 2004 4:43 PM
Rosh Hashanah 17a. Christians (minnim) and others who reject the Talmud will go to hell and be punished there for all generations.
Sanhedrin 90a. Those who read the New Testament ("uncanonical books") will have no portion in the world to come.
Shabbath 116a. Jews must destroy the books of the Christians, i.e. the New Testament.
Israeli "Torah scholars" have ruled that:
"The Torah maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the World to Come. But not all religious Gentiles earn eternal life by virtue of observing their religion...And while the Christians do generally accept the Hebrew Bible as truly from God, many of them (those who accept the so-called divinity of Jesus) are idolaters according to the Torah, punishable by death, and certainly will not enjoy the World to Come."
--Israeli Mechon-Mamre website, June 26, 2000; 12 Hayyim Vital St., Jerusalem, Occupied Palestine. ("Mechon Mamre is a small group of Torah scholars in Israel...").
Of course all Talmud quotes are taken out of context, the Talmud is a book of peace and love, blah, blah, blah...
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 4:58 PM
Karl
I read all your posts and have come to the conclusion that you are indeed a racist...
Your problem is with Jesus not the Jews.... He made them the Chosen people...
I have never seen the Jews on the news cutting heads off of unbelievers!!
I have never had a Jew say that non Jews are less than Human...
You can read KKK stuff and think it’s the truth...
But it is really a Zionist mind controlling plot....
One minute you say your anti Semitism is because of them, then you say your not anti Semitic!
Which is it?
Posted by: Karl
The one and only cause of anti-Semitism is Zionism. Zionism is the disease, anti-Semitism the symptom. All anti-Semitism is caused by Zionists to cause innocent Jews to suffer and turn to Zionism as an answer, which just leads to more anti-Semitism and more suffering.
I rest my case!
at October 6, 2004 4:58 PM
This is an anti-jihad, anti-islamism site. Many of us have studied islam for years; we have read the qur'an and ahadith, and that is why we reject islam utterly. We recognize our Enemy, and continue to study it, but its identity has never been in doubt.
WE LOVE JEWS.
WE SUPPORT ISRAEL COMPLETELY.
We will wipe islam from the face of the planet before we will submit to it - and we have the will and the means to do it.
If followers of the satanic blood-cult called islam decide to respond to my post, they should not expect a reply.
I do not associate with muslims.
Posted by: CGW at October 6, 2004 5:02 PM
Are you a Talmudic scholar Bar, can you refute the Talmud quotes?
Your problem is with Jesus not the Jews.... He made them the Chosen people...
THOSE TALMUD QUOTES ARE WRITTEN BY JEWS NOT ME!
I have never seen the Jews on the news cutting heads off of unbelievers!!
What about the stoning in the Torah/Old Testament? Or is that taken "out of context"? Perhaps the Koran is out of context as well?
Perhaps the beheading is taken out of context as well? The beheading is in the context of a war against a fascist imperialist American army, the Americans would be slitting Russian throats if Russian troops invaded America, everyone knows it. ALL violence should be condemned, yet there are those that turn a blind eye to Israeli atrocities against the Pals, there are those that do not want to sit down and negotiate and make peace, because they believe the Arabs are not human.
The Koran has been criticized by people here, but criticizing the Talmud is off-limits is it?
Posted by: Karl at October 6, 2004 5:59 PM
Yeshua said:
I am the way, the truth and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by Me. John 14.6
most people reject him but some accept him.
He is the key to bringing peace on earth amongst all people.
If you are trusting in a works based gospel you will not make it into the kingdom of God.
all religions of the world except one, can be classified as works/righteousness based including rabbinic judaism, catholicism and of course islam.
Yeshua offers you the FREE gift of eternal life,
compliments of the God of Israel.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
shalom
incidentally the judgement that God mandated on idolators and practioners of human sacrifice in the Old Testament was a just punishment upon those who corrupted the worship of the true God.
islam has many similarites to the pagan canaanite
religious practices and is an abomination to God.
at October 6, 2004 7:30 PM
Islamic Professor Abdul Hadi Palazzi was quoted in the July 2, 2001 Washington Times,
"A good Muslim must be a Zionist. A comparative analysis of Koranic and Torah sources reveals an agreement on the point that the link existing between the Children of Israel and the land of Canaan depends on God's Allmighty will, toward which we are asked to submit. Allah constituted the offspring of Jacob as heirs of the Promised Land. This is descibed in the glorious Koran"
The Koran says:
" O my people! Enter the holy land which God hath assigned unto you" (Sura 5:21)
Then:
"We settled the children of Israel in a beautiful dwelling place and provided for them sustenance of the best" (10:93)
And:
" Dwell securely in the land of promise" (17:104)
at October 6, 2004 7:37 PM
'karl' you're quite a case study aren't you ? Sitting there in the light of your computer screen thinking that none of us realize that you're just another muslim zombie. But guess what zombie boy we know what you are and your insane nazi gibberish only strengthens our cause. You see while posters like myself get some amusement out of answering back at your filth other more articulate posters than myself are continuing to pound home the truth about islam. Every day this site is up more and more people are discovering the reality of the islamic deathcult and everytime some muslim troll like you starts screaming about the JEWs then a few more visitors to this site understand what jihadwatch is against. So, keep posting zombie-boy (I guess those beheading videos get a bit samey after a while even if they are FASCIST, IMPERIALISTIC, ZIONIST, COLONIAL, NEOCON MURDERERS that , in your view, are being beheaded. Question - how many of those 11 Nepalese truckers were FASCIST, ZIONIST. IMPERIALIST pigs "karl" ?). Yeah, keep posting because you're helping us - helping us to sharpen our arguments, helping us to expose to the "don't knows" just how racist you islamofascists are AND helping us because the fact that you even bother posting here means Robert and all here are getting through to you.
LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAM !!!!
Posted by: Son Of Albion at October 6, 2004 7:40 PM
A-ha ! From another posting I see that "karl" may in fact not be a muslim but one of islam's soulmates - a nazi ! That explains the germanic name and the continual attempts to turn any debate into an attack on the Jews. And that's why islam and fascist go so well together. Well "karl" speaking as a real Brit , one whose ancestors have been here for a thousand years, I'm glad that we beat your goose-stepping nazis in WW2 . I'm proud that members of my family helped send your filthy
Third Reich into the dustbin of history. And I'm glad that visitors to this site can see how islam and nazism are virtually interchangeable when it comes to their hatreds.
LOVE LIFE - HATE ISLAMOFASCISM !!
Posted by: Son Of Albion at October 6, 2004 7:56 PM
just in from debka.com
"Two Israelis Aaron Ciechanover and Avram Hershko and American Irwin Rose awarded 2004 Nobel Prize for chemistry for joint work on how human body singles out unwanted proteins for destruction. Illnesses such as cervical cancer and cystic fibrosis develop when this process does not work correctly. Israelis from the Haifa Technion and Rose from University of California share $1.36 m prize."
thank the Lord for brilliant Jews!
and i thank you precious Jewish people for all the
great benefits you have bestowed upon mankind!
shalom shalom
at October 6, 2004 8:04 PM
by the way:
to my knowledge there is not a single original achievement that islam has bestowed upon mankind.
further proof, the the Jews are the true Chosen People and of course they gave us the
GREATEST JEW EVER:
YESHUA HA'MASHIACH: JESUS THE MESSIAH
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
comparing mohammed with Jesus is like well:
there's no comparison: give me a break!
at October 6, 2004 8:10 PM
Apropos of the Catholic Church and Islam:
Yesterday's Corriere della Sera has an article on Gianfranco Fini's appearance at a gathering on October 4, the feast of St. Francis, in Assisi. There, "della loggia esterna della basilica" (put back together after the earthquake), Fini said that St. Francis was a man of peace but not an extreme pacifist.Fini knew, of course, that he was among those who were likely Ulivo (left) supporters, who like to adopt such figures as St. Francis to their own uses. Fini noted that in 1128 the Francescani were forbidden to carry arms, but Fini noted that this was in order to prevent armed aggression, violence, war, and not, he pointedly said, to prevent the use of arms in defense of the Church, of the Christian faith or of their land ("I fratelli non portino con se armi offensive se non per difesa della Chiesa romana, della fede cristian o della loro terra...").
There was, of course, some of that interfaith stuff -- you can't have a gathering in Assisi without it. Along with Fini and the Guardian of the Sacred Convent, Father Vincenzo Coli, there was the imam of Perugia, one Moyhammed Abdel Qader. The reporter reports: "Coli e Qader recitano insieme il Padre nostro ("ilahanda", ha invocato l'imam).
The imam recited the "Pater Noster"? Really? Word for word? With the meaning it is endowed with by Catholics? One wonders. The imam's wife was smiling.
After Fini's speech, some on the right praised him; some on the left denounced him. But the context was clear. Fini, though no doubt The New York Times would wish to lepenize him, though on the right in Italian terms, is quite different from Le Pen. If you listen to him, he grows on you. His meaning was related, of course, not only to Iraq, but to the new Italian policy of sending North African immigrants right back within 24 or at most 48 hours. It would be fascinating to study the differences in the reactions of Italians and French, analyzing the respective roles of 1) Catholicism or skepticism 2) the centralized state versus campanilismo 3) the role of the press, and its ownership 4) the historic view of Islam 5) guilt, absent or present, over presumed "colonialism" 6) the power of Arab money among the ruling classes -- Andreotti, who beat raps in Palermo and Perugia, was, like Chirac, on the Arab take, but whereas that was Chirac's main source of extra income (and remember that he requires the services of three call-girls simultaneously, which runs into money, whereas Andreotti's favorite pastime was and perhaps still is playing bridge with upper-class Roman ladies).
In other words, why is it that Italy may save itself, but France probably won't? Of course, in the end the Americans will have to save, not so much the French, but what is in the Louvre, and the Jeu de Paume, and the Musee Grevin, and a few dozen other museums, and of course we, being softhearted, will want to save the French along with all those paintings and statues. Besides, in 10 or 20 or 30 years, it is likely that French generals, who even now must be getting alarmed at Muslim infiltration of the armed forces, and disgust at the poseurs and crooks who run the government, will eventually stage a coup a la General Massu, but this coup will succeed, because so many French people, now despondent because they simply do not know what to think, what to do, where to turn (and their numbers will grow, and grow, despite the pleasantness of France on the surface, which will not at once disappear), will secretly or openly welcome it. But American softheartedness, coming to the rescue, should no longer be taken for granted. Depends partly on how the French behave themselves, starting now.
Having alluded to the Mafia-Andreotti connection, and to yesterday's Corriere, I cannot help reporting, with some sadness, that an article in the same newspaper maintains that the 'Nranghetea, the name by which the organized underworld in Calabria is known, has pulled ahead of the Sicilian mafia in power and ruthlessness; the Mafia has enclosed itself in its own redoubt. The old order dieth. God knows it is going to be hard for English-speakers even to pronounce the word 'Ndrangheta. And it will be even harder to pronounce the Calabrese word for a member of that organization. Gerhard Rohlf's "Nuovo Dizionario Dialettale della Calabria" yields "ndranghitista." A mouthful. Hollywood will certainly stick with "mafioso." I don't know about you, but I think they will be right to do so. There are already too many changes in the world.
Posted by: Hugh at October 6, 2004 11:08 PM
A question for our resident Jew-hater, Karl:
You state that Jews were offered Madagascar and Uganda as possible homelands - can you tell us why any person in his/her right mind (Jewish or not) would contemplate living in either of these African hellholes?) Beside the fact that Jews have no connection whatsoever with either country, of course. And who 'offered' these countries to Jewish settlers? Not the inhabitants, I'll bet.
Whereas, Israel resonates with Jewish history and is covered with structures built by Jews in ancient times. Note, Karl, these structures were not built in Madagascar or Uganda. Jews have been saying 'next year in Jerusalem' for two thousand years. Could this fact have something to do with Jewish disinterest in African 'homelands'?
As for 'tiny human shields' - you have that the wrong way around. How many hundreds of examples have we seen recently of Islamic indifference to the lives of the young (Beslan springs to mind) Noticed any Jewish suicide bombers lately? Thought not.
Give up trying to force Islam down our throats. Its a lost cause. Everyone who reads this site is well aware of the true nature of Islam.
at October 6, 2004 11:34 PM
Karl
A Living Dog is better then a dead lion!
Islam is dead karl...
Rom 14:11 For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
So like I said, your problem is with Jesus, Karl
That is the King of the Jews, Karl
Posted by: forrest shalom
YESHUA HA'MASHIACH: JESUS THE MESSIAH
The Name above all Names!
No Islam, Know Peace.
Posted by: Bar at October 7, 2004 2:39 AM
Posted by: Franze
and the conversion is the most effective method to stop the terrorism
I agree, I am just not sure if Catholicism is the way to go.
I say this understanding the good that Catholicism has brung.
Where I have a problem is with the church hierarchy not living the Principles that Jesus taught
to allow any priest to molest and abuse Gods children and not hold them accountable is an abomination.
The history of the Spanish inquisition shows the Catholic Church in Europe is not about bringing the Gospel to the world, but about a power grab.
The scribes and Pharisees where the Church hierarchy in their day.
Mat 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithes of mint and dill and cummin, and you have left undone the weightier matters of the Law, judgment, mercy, and faith. You ought to have done these and not to leave the other undone.
Mat 23:24 Blind guides who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
Mat 23:27 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which indeed appear beautiful outside, but inside they are full of dead men's bones
Look, I know that in USA have been cases of homosexuality in priests and two dioceses have been bankurped for it, it´s very sad Bar here in Europe the Vatican is more hateful but it´s more fast, like the case Krenn in Austria that has resigned for the case of Saint Polkten.
Respect the past of catholicism, look the protestants isn´t better the KKK was a protestants thing, they attacked the papists and jews, the burning of Miguel Servet and many many people like witches in Germany, 100,000 withces were burned, the killing of catholic iris for english, the problems for dutch and swedish catholics to live, an example is Christine of Sweden that has to leave the throne and go out to Rome, the anti-semitic textes of Luther, and against the farmers, Luther didn´t worry too for the muslim invasion of Vienna, he said that God solve everything and was a pacifist with islam, because Spain and the Vatican was against them, the cases of eugenesic acts in the protestant countries like Sweden and USA where only the Catholic Church protested and now the case of pedophile in Jevovah´s witnesses, adventists,
in the spanish inquisition were only 2000 deaths in 300 years, many people but less than protestants.
For last the labors in social things in the Catholic Church is greater in all countries people who leave the drugs, the prostitution, alcoholism and many other things, there are a spanish misioner in China, is 90, that has opened leproseries, or the great catholic universities where study non-catholics and only if they want, they convert, the catholic church isn´t hypocritical, there are hypocritical catholics but the church isn´t, and in addition many of the critizer don´t criticize islam, abortion, euthanasia, eugenesia and other things that provokes many pain and many deaths that the Catholic Church, greetings, and excuse for the long message.
at October 7, 2004 3:07 AM
Forrest Shalom:
You wrote: "the catholic church is apostate and does not deserve the designation : Christian"
This is in line with some rubbish you wrote long ago, and your insistence on spreading it here led me to ban you. If you keep it up now, I will do it again.
I am not going to debate Christian theology with you here. That is not the purpose of this site, and it is already abundantly clear that you are not willing to admit of the possibility that your narrow and pinched version of Christianity is not actually the sole authentic way to regard that faith.
However, this is a site dedicated to defending the human rights of all victims of jihad: Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, etc. I take extreme offense at your repeated attempts to portray some of those victims as somehow deserving of what they get, and I will not tolerate it here. I am referring to other posts in which you say that because of Vatican dhimmitude (which I also deplore) or because of what you perceive as the apostasy of various Christian groups, God is giving them over into the hands of Islam. Sir, I do not perceive that you are a prophet, and if you want to speak for God, do it somewhere else. Desist immediately, or begone.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 7, 2004 7:15 AM
robert,
i stand for the truth and back it up with scripture. if you want to ban me fine, but i'm
not going to be muzzled. i'm entitled to my view, and you are entitled to disagree.
shalom
Posted by: forrest shalom at October 7, 2004 10:37 AM
Sir,
If you really went by the Scripture, you would not hold the views that you do.
You are entitled to them, but not on my nickel are you entitled to suggest that certain people are not worthy of being defended from jihad terrorism because you don't approve of their theology.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 7, 2004 10:53 AM
i do not believe that certain non moslems are NOT WORTHY T0 BE DEFENDED from the jihad and have never said so NOR was it meant to be implied.
many historic churches (including the catholic) have made the mistake of using an allegorical method of interpretation in believing that they somehow replace israel and/or jews as God's elect nation/people.
THIS IS UNBIBLICAL.
it is replacement theology that i believe brings God's judgement and historically it was these kind of churches which submitted to islam as it conquered territory.
you told me before that you belonged to a middle eastern church which permitted addressing the Lord
as "inshah allah". why don't you investigate where it stands on israel and the jews? you may find yourself at odds with your official church doctrine.
biblical christianity can never be forced on anyone so relax. also the term "christian" has a narrow biblical definition. i assure you that biblical christians will never dhimmitize.
we would accept martydom before we were silenced from proclaiming the biblical gospel of God's
free grace.
ephesian 2.8,9
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
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should you decide to ban me, i won't protest. this is your site, do with it as you wish. i still appreciate the work you do in bringing updates on the world wide calamity of islamic jihad.
at October 7, 2004 2:32 PM
Sir,
Clearly you know next to nothing about Catholicism, but that is your affair.
Obviously also you know next to nothing about the Arabic language, and seem to believe that Christian Arabs should not be permitted to pray to the Christian God in their own language.
I tried to explain to you that "Inshah Allah" is simply Arabic for "God willing" before, to no avail.
That also is your affair.
What I object to on this site is your depriving, on the basis of your narrow, substanceless, and unscriptural theology, the name of "Christian" from various groups targeted by jihadists. You want to resist the jihad -- fine. You want to try to divide the anti-jihad resistance -- do it elsewhere.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
at October 7, 2004 2:41 PM
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