To be fair: There is increasing resistance to these plans:

http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=26&story_id=13382&name=German+opposition%2C+government+spliton+EU+membership+for+Turkey+

German opposition, government split on EU membership for Turkey

Germany's Christian Democrats attacked Thursday the European Union's expected proposal of accession talks with Turkey. Wolfgang Schaeuble, the main spokesman on foreign policy in the Christian Democratic alliance, told the Bundestag parliament in Berlin that Turkey joining the EU would put political unity at risk.

Posted by: Ali Dashti at October 29, 2004 9:08 AM

Q: What do French children do on Halloween?

A: Trick or Retreat.

Posted by: CGW at October 29, 2004 10:25 AM

Greece suffered 400 years of Turkish occupation, this finished in 1908, when Thessaloniki was liberated.

Most Greeks see no sense or logic for Turkey joining the EU.

Personaly I am confounded as to how this can be allowed when Northern Cyprus is still in Turkish hands.

Sometimes I feel that the major European countries like England, France and Germany view Greece politicaly and diplomaticaly as the retarded offspring that gets locked up in the attic.

Posted by: Eighteen 21 at October 29, 2004 4:45 PM

Long Live Eurabia!

Posted by: Mike at October 29, 2004 5:50 PM

idiots all! I hope that la belle France and Deutschland enjoy Sharia in about 10-15 years~!
Why should the USA listen to such ostrich nations as those two in the war on terror - which is obviously a USA fabrication!
jihan

Posted by: jihan at October 29, 2004 9:26 PM

Does this sound familiar?

"In a very few years, perhaps in a very few months, we shall be confronted with demands with which we will no doubt be invited to comply. These demands may affect the surrender of territory or the surrender of liberty...

"With a press under control, in part direct but more potently indirect, with every organ of public opinion doped and chloroformed into acquiescence, we shall be conducted along further stages of the journey...

"This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigor we arise again and take our stand for freedom, as in the olden time."

(From a speech by Winston Churchill in parliament on October 5, 1938, following the signing of the Munich Agreement.)

Posted by: Daniel Dravot at October 30, 2004 3:01 AM

One of the worst instances of french lies is the Mohamed Al-dura fabrication by France 2 telivision and its palestinian reporter ABu Rhamma and the collaboration of the despicable Enderlin.
Finnally the whole charade has been proven to be a shameful photo op operation by Israeli hating journos trying to fabricate virulent anti Isralei propaganda.
The Image of the brutal child killing IDF was manufactured by this infamous piece and remains one of the biggest hoaxes in press history.
The french journalists even received french journalism prizes for theit scoop!
For those who read french
go to
http://www.menapress.com/article.php?sid=956

a true example of the perfidity of the french press.

Posted by: george at October 31, 2004 12:42 AM

The article referred to just above must not be ignored. It demonstrates that which many have suspected all along: there was no killing by the Israelis of a certain Muhammad al-Dura; it was a concoction of an Arab cameraman who has since recanted his sworn testimony, and Charles Enderlin, a French journalist of doubtful veracity (whether he is, like so many of the Middle Eastern journalists, directly on the Arab payroll, is not known).

Stephane Juffa's article at www.menapress.com must be translated, by a professional translator, and published as widely as possible. For it is not just about this incident, the audiovisual equivalent of the Donation of Constantine, or the Zimmermann Telegram, or other forgeries. It is also about the power of television journalists, and the lack of review, and in some countries, at least, the complete failure to own up to gross and dangerous errors long after the higher-ups have become fully aware of them -- but chose to do nothing.

The story is incredible. One hopes it will not now be dropped, or overlooked.

There are, of course, examples of every sort of depravity and outrages in the Arab Jihad against Israel -- but they are all on the Arab side, and the list would fill up an entire issue of The New York Times. The puzzlement is not the viciousness of the French journalist and his Arab cameraman, but of the television station executives that found out about the complete fabrication of this story, and chose to hide that little detail from the world for a very long time.

Put this next to the astonishing confession of that BBC correspondent Barbara Plett, of how she suddenly burst into tears seeing Arafat leaving Ramallah (burst into tears?), a confession that tells everything, and should lead, if there is a hint of justice left anywhere in Bush House or the Foreign Office that controls the BBC World Service through the anti-Israeli (see his introduction to Peter Hounam's The Cyanide Conspiracy to get his flavor) and anti-American John Simpson, Plett should be discharged forthwith for that little display of spontaneous sympathy for a mass murderer.

That mandatory licensing fee in England has to go. And the NPR Stations that insist on forcing the BBC down our throats should be told that there will be no government funding, and many will fight the 501(c)(3) status of NPR -- assuming it has it -- for it is clearly a political organization, and nowhere more so than in carrying the biased, sinister BBC. And surely we have enough American journalists to whom work might be given instead of the BBC, which is a Euro-Arab stalking-horse in this country.

Posted by: Hugh at October 31, 2004 11:00 PM