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From Aftenposten, with thanks to the Norwegian Kafir:
Carl I. Hagen, outspoken leader of Norway's populist Progress Party (Fr.P), wants the government to consider tougher measures against fringe Muslim groups in the country. The Fr.P raises the issue in connection with a parliamentary White Paper on security, and also wants approval procedures for imams in Norway. "If extremist tendencies emerge we must be able to do something. We must be prepared that what has happened in the Netherlands can also happen in Norway," Hagen told Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK)...."This is the stigmatization of very large groups. Hagen mixes immigration policy into the discussion of overall security and how Norwegian society shall be secured against terror. But having readiness to meet terrorists does not mean that we shall stigmatize and monitor all Muslims in Norway. That is simply loathsome," Nybakk told NRK.
Well, all right, Nybakk. But please show us where the dividing line is within the Islamic community between genuine moderates and radicals, and I will readily agree that it would be "loathsome" to monitor all. Otherwise, should law enforcement officials not call upon Muslims who genuinely oppose jihad violence to help identify radicals within the Islamic community? And if they will not do so, what alternative is there to monitoring all mosque sermons, etc.?
Posted by Robert at November 17, 2004 7:45 AM
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Mr. Carl I. Hagen should know, as he has received death threats from Muslims himself after some comments critical of Islam.
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at November 17, 2004 8:09 AM
Hugh or Mr. Spencer,
What made Norway decide to let muslims in to their country? Was it manual labor needed for industry? I don't know Norwegian history but I don't remember hearing about Norwegian colonies in the muslim world. Why can't the Norwegians just shut down muslim immigration? They have their own oil and don't need arabs.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at November 17, 2004 11:03 AM
3812 michelle
good question
at November 17, 2004 11:51 AM
The real issue is the silence by the self-professed "Moderate" Muslims that claim to denounce these terroristic killings by aserting they're not "True" Muslims and therefor have nothing to do with Islam.
If Muslims don't want to clean up their mess within Islam then we'll do it for them and they better not whine when the borders slam shut to future immigration by Muslims.
NO ISLAM - KNOW A FREE HOLLAND
Islam must GOGH from Holland
at November 17, 2004 2:09 PM
Michelle, I think they let in Muslims out of misguided compassion. As so many Western countries have. They arrived as "poor, oppressed refugees", "fleeing for their lives!". Or so they claimed. I would be surprised if all that many of them arrived in any legal manner. If any did, it's probably recently and through family reunification, once the first vanguard arrived and got rights to stay and import their family. Of course we all let them in, swallowing all their stories and believing everything they said. Okay, I'll relent that some were probably true refugees, but I doubt the vast majority were anything other than country shoppers. Once Australia got a little more indepth in checking asylum seekers' claims, they found a lot of holes in their stories, if not outright lies. Once in the West, life is grand. Lots of freebies, including lots of money for doing nothing but popping out kids for Allah. Manual labour? Why bother when you can "earn" more just having lots of kids?
Posted by: feralee at November 17, 2004 8:58 PM
Thanks, feralee.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at November 17, 2004 9:13 PM
The muslims have developed a very efficient tactic:some of them,the ones that we call "radical islamists",kill infidels,and they openly admit they are doing it to please Allah,and they are following the quran,to the letter....
Other muslims,the ones that we call"moderate muslims", react to the "radical muslims",by telling us,infidels,that the deeds of radicals are un-islamic,don`t have anything to do with islam,which is the religion of peace,etc,etc.
By doing this,the two groups don`t actually disagree with each other,but they rather complement each other...Between these two groups of muslims (the delimitation is only for us,kafirs,for muslims consider themselves as being muslims,period),they live us confused,asking ourselves,which of them are moderates,which are the radical ones,how can we identify one group from the other,why are some of them moderates while others are radicals,whos fauls is it that moderates become radicals,etc,etc...and while we waste our precious time and energies with these questions and trying to answer them,the muslims are stabing us in the back,literally,beheading us,and planning to exterminate us,to the last one...
What to do,what to do???!!!
at November 17, 2004 10:22 PM
they leave us confused,that is.
Posted by: adela at November 17, 2004 10:23 PM
Remember, one of these "poor, oppressed refugees" dropped a small airplane recently by hitting the pilot's head with an axe; another murdered a young Norwegian girl (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article902902.ece; http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article909046.ece); and still another had his Norwegian wife murdered at a "family holiday" in Northern Iraq, just after having received his Norwegian citizenship under false identity (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article886042.ece).
It's not very surprising that Islamists threaten Hagen, knowing their habitual ways to respond to criticism. In a way, it's even more worrying that Hagen's "anti-Islamic" opinions have been pointed out by many co-Scandinavians as potential reasons why Norway has been threatened with terrorist attacks. This "why do they hate us"-kind of search for someone "among ourselves" to blame (because, no one would want to attack us without a reason that WE give them, right?) is dangerous, because it leads to self-censorship, making Europeans themselves watch that no one of them "offends" Muslims or "provokes" terrorists (which is practically the same). This self-scapegoating attitude leads to tighter blasphemy laws and "anti-racist" laws that make it all harder to publicly criticize anything about Islam.
Posted by: Scandie at November 18, 2004 3:59 AM
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