EVIL, EVIL, EVIL.

She is the victim of a pedophile, and yet SHE is thrown out of the house!!!

If they had any worth as parents, they would be comforting her, not treating her with contempt.

Leslie Carter, the Irish muslim, (no doubt convert) says that chastity is fundamental in Islam. And yet Khomeini said that a man can have sex with a 6 month old baby.

What perverts these muslims are.

Posted by: Voltaire at November 21, 2004 8:24 AM

She's probably better off in care than with parents like that.

Islam can never reform while Muslims see their daughters' virginity as more important than their daughters' happiness and success. The reaction would not have been the same had it been their son who had underage sex.

Some moral equivalence merchants will not doubt say that Catholic families in Ireland used to treat their 'fallen' daugthers like this not so long ago. This may be true, but so what? Doesn't make it right.

Posted by: Interestd at November 21, 2004 9:33 AM

A shame-based culture that puts the blame on the victim. Ironic isn't it that Muslim family honor is bound up in persons that they so revile and dishonor - women and girls.

Posted by: epg at November 21, 2004 9:35 AM

Good point Voltaire,

Khomeini did say that men can have sex with babies, in fact Muslim man can have sex with all kind of women of all ages as long as they are not Muslim! Muslim women are off limits, not even to be looked at, but non-Muslim women are there for all. This is why there are so many stories about non-Muslim women being attacked by Muslim man. Frankly if you are a non-Muslim woman than, you are thought of a sub-human who deserve to get raped. This is another shining example of the Muslim’s treatment of the infidels. Talking about discrimination! On the other hand god forbid a Muslim girl marry an infidel, that’s forbidden (they want to keep the breeding stock), while Muslim men are encouraged to marry non-Muslim women while abroad, which of course mean that the woman has to convert.

So from the Muslim point of view it is not hypocrisy to throw out a Muslim girl who lost her virginity before marriage, while simultaneously condone sex with all king of women (even babies) as long as they are non-Muslim.

Posted by: gloria at November 21, 2004 9:35 AM

These Muslims appear very progressive to me.

I am surprised that they have acted with such civilized restraint.

There has been no suggestion of stoning or honour killing.

Posted by: Uhller_Isshaytan at November 21, 2004 10:28 AM

So Muhammed who was well over 35,was blessed by Allah with a 6 year old wife and then waited until she was 9 before getting his jolly's and because she was a virgin that made pedophilia OK.

Lets back up a bit here,when the girl was 9
this man would have been 30,now tell me again how Muhammed wasn't a pedophile when HE raped a little girl that didn't understand her human rights to refuse sex with a psychopath and misogynist.

NO MUHAMMED - NO PEDOPHILIA

Posted by: ala-sux at November 21, 2004 10:49 AM

Would someone give the reference of where Khomeini said it is o.k. to have sex with a 6 month old.
When I write to my local paper I'd like to have reference on things stated.
Thanks, kleo2x here in Anderson, Ca.

Posted by: kleo at November 21, 2004 12:36 PM

A Muslim could make things right by marrying her, but if the man in question was not a Muslim, and not therefore suitable for her to marry (unless somehow he could be convinced to "revert" to Islam), that would be an insuperable obstacle. Was that a consideration -- was it perhaps the major source of the intolerable shame that the family felt?

And one more question -- will the Irish State now be supporting this girl, or will it demand that the girl's family has a legal obligation to continue to support her to a certain age, and spare Infidels problems associated with a belief-system, and a way of life resulting from it, that at virtually every step violates, or comes in conflict with, the Infidels among whom Muslims have come to live -- not as friends, not as loyal citizens eager to participate in this new and accepting country, but rather as settlers who will yield as far as mores go only to the minimum extent necessary not to be charged with a crime, will continue to harbor resentments and hatreds, and reserve their loyalty, as they must, to Islam and to fellow Muslims. Why is that all so hard for Infidels to believe? Why do they keep refusing to understand this? Is it because if, once it is thoroughy understood, than all sorts of unpleasant possiblilities -- including a serious discussion of large-scale removal of Muslims from Infidel countries -- have to be seriously considered, and everyone is afraid to do that? Why? Benes and Masaryk in Czechoslovakia were not afraid. The Polish non-Communist government was not afraid to kick out ethnic Germans after World War II, because of a very dimly-perceived possiblity of a future threat. This threat is not dimly perceived and not in the future. It is now, it is tomorrow, and it is permanent. What is to be done?

Posted by: Hugh at November 21, 2004 1:55 PM

I don't expect much from the Irish government regarding the lives of Moslem children. I don't expect the Irish government to intervene in Moslem communities by taking custody of all Moslem children under the age of 18. But why won't the Irish at least look at the reality of a girl sitting on the stoop with nowhere to go thanks to her parents' bigotry and ignorance, and say "Thank God we have a clear duty to save this one child." but no, the irish try to send her back to those primitives. If it were likely a matter of Catholic devotion to 'the family' I might have some sympathy for the government's lack of intervention; but I suspect it has nothing to do with keeping families intact but that it is simply more philobarbarism, attitudinizing about the special status of the Natural Other.

Until the West is able to see clearly the plain reality of the nature of living rather than filtering all reactions through the dominant ideology of this European post-fascist romanticism, children will continue to suffer in the name of equality. Islamic culture is sub-Human. It is not equal to the West. The attitude taken by too many is that these 'others' are somehow not meant to rise to the standards of Human decency expected from the rest of the world. Rather, we have "I'm Sorry" that democracy works in America. We have "Please take back your child, and stop beating her. It embarasses us."

Though this is of no practical benefit, makes no sense in the world we live in, is a waste of time to write and read, I say regardless:

"Send that girl to live with Catherine."

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 21, 2004 3:46 PM

I wonder if Ireland is getting Dhimmified. Ireland is very pro-EU, for the simple reason that the EU gave it loads of subsidies. In fact it used to piss me off, living in the UK whose net contribution was at one time equal to those net subsidies.

Ireland has recently banned smoking in pubs and restaurants - a symptom of wussy nanny-state PC if ever there was one. So multiculti muddle-headedness is certainly on the cards.

All in all, though, this girl is better off with a Catholic foster family than with her Muslim retards.

Posted by: Interestd at November 21, 2004 4:28 PM

Khomeini quotes-

http://www.truthbeknown.com/islamquotes.htm

Scroll down to Khomeini's quotes, and the source is also given. Most of the quotes can be found in his " Little Green Book"

Posted by: Carolyn2 at November 21, 2004 6:08 PM

This girl is still alive? That's amazing. Why wasn't she honor-killed? Couldn't her father or older brother bring themselves to murder her by stabbing or drowning her?

There's a piece of this story that's missing.

Here's the way I think it happened:

The authorities were the first ones to realize that a sexcrime had been committed. This man had probably done the same sort of thing before, and was already on their radar as a serial offender.

The authorities then informed the girl's family about the affair. There's no. way. this girl told her parents about her behaviour voluntarily... she was under pressure.

Once the family knew that the authorities were already involved, they knew if they "honor-killed" their girl they'd be caught & imprisoned.

So they turned her out of the house instead.

Posted by: Border Collie at November 21, 2004 7:27 PM

The scariest part of the story is at the END of the article, btw:

Islam is the fastest-growing religion in Ireland. The number of Muslims in the republic quadrupled from less than 400 in 1991 to almost 20,000 in 2002, according to the latest census figures.

Posted by: Border Collie at November 21, 2004 7:31 PM

"Ireland: Muslim family spurns daughter aged 14 for having sex"

Isn't what these parents are doing to their child serious child abuse. Shoulnd't they be charged for seriously abusing their child. I am waiting for these moral pygmies masquerading as parents to be be charged and punished as would surely happen with any other non-muslim parents who did the same...stuff their ego's....their hearts and souls are utterly rotten.

Posted by: obl r us at November 21, 2004 7:39 PM

Border Collie:

Stats like that are meaningless when put into context. Extrapolate the 20,000 Muslims against the number of Protestants and Catholics and the number is puny.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at November 21, 2004 8:04 PM

She's fourteen, for God's sake! Still a child in many ways, especially mentally and emotionally. She's probably feeling so vulnerable and confused right now, needing a parent's comfort and unconditional love like never before. But they toss her out like yesterday's rubbish. It's sick that your belief system can debase the love for your own child.

I also think she is better off away from such black-hearted "parents". If they took her back, she'd likely be treated like she were some sort of disgusting vermin. Such emotional abuse would be hell.

Posted by: feralee at November 21, 2004 8:42 PM

waterdragon--

Yes, the current number of Muslims is puny, but my concern was with Islam's rate of growth. Also from the article:

Each week, conversion ceremonies — for Irish and other nationals who want to convert to Islam — are held at Dublin’s Clonskeagh mosque.

Conspicuously absent from the article, however, is any mention of immigration.

Posted by: Border Collie at November 21, 2004 8:46 PM

The best outcome would be for the girl to realize the stupidity of islam and to convert to christianity.

Posted by: adela at November 22, 2004 12:59 AM

This 14 year old child was definitely ill-treated, both by the 35 year old man and her own parents.

But why single out Islam for this? Similar attitudes have been prevalent in Christianity, especially in Ireland.

From the 1930's to as late as 1996 (!), thousands of young women were imprisoned in "Magdalen Asylums." These were institutions run by convents for the "correction" of young women accused of immorality.

To quote from the New York Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/story/104021p-94133c.html):

"A "penitent" was a young woman who, according to the church, had "fallen" if she had become pregnant or had been raped. Women who were flirtatious, alluringly pretty or mentally challenged were often put away, too — with their fathers' consent.

"A Magdalen girl would usually work as an unpaid laundress for long, backbreaking hours in silence, every day. The clerical logic of this is that she would be washing away her sins, enabling her to die in a state of grace."

Irish Catholics and Muslims are not the only perpetrators of bad treatment on young women who have suffered sexual abuse. John Calvin's Geneva imprisoned young women who were pregnant. Being raped was no defense. Their medical theories held that a woman could not conceive without orgasm; hence, the girl "must" have enjoyed it.

There are many strong arguments against Islam. I have studied both Christianity and Islam, and have chosen Christianity. (To prove my sincerity, I'll say what no Muslim could say: Jesus Christ is the Son of God, crucified and risen for our salvation). But to single out Muslims for ethical faults that have been equally endemic among devout Christians is shoddy.

Posted by: Philolathes at November 22, 2004 2:25 AM

Philolathes:

You're right to say that this kind of behaviour was common amongst Catholics in Ireland until recently, and indeed amongst other Christians. However, Christians have, in most cases, moved on. Christianity, with its separation of Church and politics, admits the possibility of change, whereas Islam doesn't.

Also Islam is far more discriminatory towards women than Christianity. Jesus treated women with respect, which Mohammed certainly did not. When Christian men treat women badly they are going against their scriptures, whereas Muslim men are following them.

Christianity imposes strict standards of sexual morality on both men and women. (In practice, of course there has been a double standard.) Islam is very harsh on women, but men have available to them legalised promiscuity in the form of polygamy and easy divorce, rape (arranged marriages are in practice forced marriages, and therefore rape), and, of course paedophilia (Aisha etc).

Posted by: Interestd at November 22, 2004 5:50 AM

I remembered a story I heard about two years ago from this girl who lived in Dublin. She lived in this big old Georgian house on a very busy road; there were several flats in it on three levels. This Muslim family lived on the top, and during the Ramadan fast the woman got annoyed with her two years old because he was crying too much, (he sais was hungry), they locked him out of the flat, he had to stay in the stairway for the whole day. So the chid cried outside on the stairway, but my friend said that the real problem was not the crying, but the fact that had the child opened the front door, which wasn’t locked he could have got out on the busy road. When she questioned them why don’t they let him in they said that the boy disturbs them while they are praying, she offered that she’ll take him in for the day, and feed him, but they refused, as the chid had to fast as well, and they didn’t want him in her flat. She spoke to somebody she knew from the Health Board, but they said that they wouldn’t interfere, as they don’t want to be insensitive to their beliefs. So in the end nothing happened. The truth is that the Irish –just like the rest of Europe- are so terrified to offend religious sensitivities that they choose to ignore basic human right violations. It appears to me that religious sensitivities take priority over women’s and children’s rights, and if you say otherwise you must be a racist. When this girl told me the story she was whispering because we sat in a Café, and she was worried somebody will hear us. It is a truly sad situation.

Posted by: gloria at November 22, 2004 8:57 AM

Muslims loves to fudge the numbers to do self-promotion,even AIDS groups that want more money from the Government will use stats to skew the reality of a crisis.
If 10 people have aids and next year 20 have it the claim will be that there is a AIDS crisis since the cases have doubled.
Also remeber that Muslims assume their kids are "Born into" Islam and if a couple have two kids then they see that as a doubling of the population in that family.

I don't trust their claims unless they're including the Jihadists and terrorists in America that CAIR represents.

Posted by: ala-sux at November 22, 2004 4:35 PM

Islamic Women - Wish To Be Beaten By Their Husbands Properly??

See footage of Muslim women in Qatar having a televised discussion with men over the best way for a man to beat his wife(ves).

http://www.memritv.org/Favorites.asp

#287 Debate on Wife Beating Qatar TV - 9/26/2004 - 00:04:18

In the end they all seem to agree that a ‘light beating’ was the most appropriate.

Reasons were given for the beating – as the man - under Allah - has the best judgment - at all times and he is the ruler of his house.

Is this the latest advertisement for Islam – Woman - Come and be beaten (or killed).

What was so astonishing is that none of the women could come out and say that wife beating was wrong. Metal electric cords – were most frequently used to beat ‘the wife’ – across the Middle East.

It seems that the problems of the Middle Eastern women are not so much from the American Infidel – but are a little closer to home.

In an earlier story a man in Saudi Arabia beat his television presenter wife (using his fist) almost to death – FOR ANSWERING THE TELEPHONE! So shocking was the incident that it was raised in the British Parliament. The woman decided to go against Islamic tradition and pressed charges and her out-of-work-actor-husband was given a physical lashing by the Arab state.

Question – What do Islamic women feel about Jihad? Do they wish to bring the rest of the world’s women under the same restrictions that they face? Should we have pity on the Islamic woman? How do they view a Condy Rice up against a woman who cannot choose what she wears, let alone thinks or can say?

Posted by: Pass It On at November 25, 2004 4:04 AM

Marry Your Rapist – Understanding Islam

In Islamic society if a woman/girl is raped she is offered the option - of marrying her rapist. She is given a choice on whether to press charges or to marry the offender. If for instance, the girl is poor and the man is rich marrying her rapist, might work out in the woman’s favor, as her family will want to get rid of her now.

The women’s virginity is seen as so important to the society and in marriage, that if a woman looses her virginity - she will spend the rest of her life without a husband and with no other financial means, this could prove disastrous.

To protect the virginity, young Muslim women engage in anal s-e-x with the young men; as on marriage she must present a medical certificate – proving that she is a virgin. By having anal s-e-x she can have a little fun, without loosing her virginity and ruining her chances of marriage.

If this young girl was brought up in the West - she might not have understood - that to engage in full or normal s-e-x could lead to problems with marriage and this is where the conflict with her family would lie.

Once Islamic women loose their virginity, many opt to become prostitutes as few other options are available. In this case care should be taken to see that this young woman does not see prostitution as her only option and although rejected by her family could still marry, have a career and lead a normal life. This should be the main focus of any counseling.

In Saudi Arabia many Europe men complain of being sexually harassed – by the Arab men. In the Islamic world it is very common for men to engage in s-e-x with other men and women with women - as it is of utmost importance to preserve the virginity of the women in the society.

Posted by: Pass It On at November 25, 2004 5:04 AM

Marry Your Rapist – Understanding Islam

In Islamic society if a woman/girl is raped she is offered the option - of marrying her rapist. She is given a choice on whether to press charges or to marry the offender. If for instance, the girl is poor and the man is rich marrying her rapist, might work out in the woman’s favor, as her family will want to get rid of her now.

The women’s virginity is seen as so important to the society and in marriage, that if a woman looses her virginity - she will spend the rest of her life without a husband and with no other financial means, this could prove disastrous.

To protect the virginity, young Muslim women engage in anal s-e-x with the young men; as on marriage she must present a medical certificate – proving that she is a virgin. By having anal s-e-x she can have a little fun, without loosing her virginity and ruining her chances of marriage.

If this young girl was brought up in the West - she might not have understood - that to engage in full or normal s-e-x could lead to problems with marriage and this is where the conflict with her family would lie.

Once Islamic women loose their virginity, many opt to become prostitutes as few other options are available. In this case care should be taken to see that this young woman does not see prostitution as her only option and although rejected by her family could still marry, have a career and lead a normal life. This should be the main focus of any counseling.

In Saudi Arabia many Europe men complain of being sexually harassed – by the Arab men. In the Islamic world it is very common for men to engage in s-e-x with other men and women with women - as it is of utmost importance to preserve the virginity of the women in the society.

Posted by: Pass It On at November 25, 2004 5:08 AM