So Islamic Imams are trying to introduce the Islamic religion by disguising it as a current event that qualifies as a social studies curriculim in our public schools. Whatever happen to SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE? Oh that only applies to the Judao Christain religions!

Hopefully school administrators,teachers,parents,and local politicians will keep an eye on this deceptive intrusion . But don`t look for the ACLU to step in and help.

Posted by: Mackie at November 24, 2004 8:46 AM

This is why I teach my kids about Islam and its downfalls at home, so if and when public schools want to try this theory, my kids are ready. Do Muslims not think that our kids are informed of the Islamic agenda?

Muslims ought to stop thinking that Americans don't know how to defeat them......They should also realize that Church and State are separate here. Lastly, if any parent finds out about these Muslims wanting time to speak in our schools, they should demand equal time to speak in the same schools to the same kids....

Muslims ought to be staying away from our kids, and we have the legal right to make that happen. It's like a dope pusher approaching kids, and should be treated in the same fashion.

Posted by: DCWatson at November 24, 2004 9:23 AM

If the Gospel of Jesus Christ cannot be introduced in our public school system, the same should apply to spreading "their gospel" of hate and intolerance. These muzzies think they are above everyone else.Surely if the neo-nazis and the kkk spread their ideology in public schools I'm sure it would be immediately stopped. Why are most people blind? Can't they see the true face of islam?

Posted by: Ummagumma at November 24, 2004 9:25 AM

DCWatson, you are a smart parent. I am horrified by that page. Following a link from it, I found this:

http://www.iol.ie/%7Eafifi/BICNews/Sabeel/sabeel5.htm

"School Students: Receptive to New ideas
Schools and college students are routinely exposed in their classroom to new information and opinions, hence they tend to be more receptive to new beliefs and ideas. Learning institutions are therefore fertile grounds where the seeds of Islam can be sowed inside the hearts of non-Muslim students. Muslim students should take ample advantage of this opportunity and expose their schoolmates to the beautiful beliefs of Islam."

I am so happy that I am still homeschooling my children. I dread the day when I will have to send them to public school, for I live in a neighbourhood which has become predominantly Muslim. That isn't a good situation for me and my family.

I just don't get the whole concept of allowing Islam to be brought into our schools. At our local school, my boys would not be allowed to ear their yarmulkes (skullcaps) yet the Muslim girls wear the hajjib. You'd think that on this one isue at least, liberals would be as outraged as cnservatives about mixing up state and church like this.

Posted by: libbysmom at November 24, 2004 9:32 AM

Perhaps what is needed is other groups demanding that the schools also push their agendas. It worked in Toronto...the muslims were frothing at the mouth when it was suggested that their children take classes in tolerance aimed at gay rights...it made them look like the hypocrites that they are...THEY wanted all school children to sit through classes teaching tolerance toward muslims...but when it was their turn to learn a bit of tolerance they were carrying on like the school was going to dress their boys in gold lame and make them lead the annual gay pride parade.

They were also protesting fox news being allowed in while at the same time whining about al jeezera (whose spokesperson is Jihad Ballout) having to be censored...the muslim hypocricy has gone from a low rumble to a loud roar...the toronto incident did not go without notice, perhaps this is one way to combat their agenda

Posted by: USAgirl at November 24, 2004 10:57 AM

same thing here in the UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/3736428.stm

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 24, 2004 12:10 PM

Leave it to the Beeb. They can print the phrase "occupied East Jerusalem" with a straight face, then call for the mass conversion of British schoolchildren. Unbelievable.

USAGirl, Toronto sounds better than down here where I am. We have a huge Muslim community, and there are strong ties to Dearborn in Michigan. I am struggling like mad to keep my children out of public schools, where Islam is not only tolerated but seems actively encouraged by our school board.

Posted by: libbysmom at November 24, 2004 12:23 PM

Libbysmom,

We live 2 hours south of Toronto, almost on the US border (from what I understand they have a huge muslim population) we have a population 180,000 people in our city, but I have noticed that in the last 5 years the muslim population has soared (the fact that we live 10 min from the US border wouldnt have anything to do with that now would it..lol) and curiously enough crime has risen with the muslim population specificly domestic abuse, sexual assault and assault, the mosque was built about 6 years ago and the population of muslims seem to live within a 2 mile radius of it...funny that crime in that area has risen, also it is starting to look like a slum...hmmm. I have 4 sons, 3 are school age and we do homeschool the oldest (he is 15) the 13 and 5 yr old attend public school and I have been very vocal about islam in the classroom, so far it has not been an issue here..YET...but if it becomes one I shall take them out and homeschool all of them (the oldest takes his high school courses via the internet so he will receive a diploma) My 13 yr old is in high school next year and has asked to go to the Catholic High School, which I do not have a problem with. Have you considered sending your children to a Jewish school, friends of ours have sent their children and are very happy with it.

So far here even with the growing population of muslims there has been no push by the school board (even during bombadan) to encourage islam in the classroom. We seem not to have the huge liberal population right in this area that alot of Ontario has (my husband is the LEAST liberal person I have met) maybe that has a bit to do with it also, not a big group caring about "PC" right here...but if and when it happens I will fight it with all I have.

Posted by: USAgirl at November 24, 2004 1:18 PM

it is indeed ironic that the leftwing has had its techniques hijacked by a far-rightwing ideology that the left has chosen as a pet cause. now their own philosophy is about to be enveloped by an anethmic philosophy. and here they think conservatives are what's wrong. well, i'll stop there as the only adjectives that come to mind would get a sixth-grader after-school detention -- probably so he could learn more about the "beautiful beliefs of Islam"

one note about mackie's comment "But don`t look for the ACLU to step in and help"

in a strange twist of events, i'd look for the aclu to rationalize their way to stepping in and helping the islamist agenda

Posted by: ted at November 24, 2004 1:27 PM

apologies for bad vocabulary above: "anethmic" should be "anathematizing" -- though "anathemic" sounds more like an adjective; perhaps it can be here coined

Posted by: ted at November 24, 2004 1:33 PM

Set up “Dawa tables” offering Islamic literature.

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at November 24, 2004 1:38 PM

Does the A in ACLU stand for Arab ?

Posted by: Son Of Albion at November 24, 2004 2:20 PM

I was amazed to see on DawaNet that the ad for NYMuslims.com includes a photo of the Twin Towers. Is this somebody's idea of a very weird joke?

Posted by: Still Rolling at November 24, 2004 2:31 PM

USAgirl -- I love your posts, but I think you're a little off base here. Although I see the irony/humor of a Muslim parent having their child listen to tolerance talk they disagree with, I wouldn't want my child to listen to it either. The gay agenda has no place in school. (I have children and has seen how it has affected them).

The point is that Americans and others shouldn't be afraid to say: this is right, that is wrong. The same weeny quotient that protects gay activism (No, I am not anti-gay, just not in favor of Greek homo-eroticism...), also protects Islamic activism. Let's set a standard and stick with it.

Posted by: former liberal WF at November 24, 2004 3:55 PM

USAgirl -- I love your posts, but I think you're a little off base here. Although I see the irony/humor of a Muslim parent having their child listen to tolerance talk they disagree with, I wouldn't want my child to listen to it either. The gay agenda has no place in school. (I have children and has seen how it has affected them).

The point is that Americans and others shouldn't be afraid to say: this is right, that is wrong. The same weeny quotient that protects gay activism (No, I am not anti-gay, just not in favor of Greek homo-eroticism...), also protects Islamic activism. Let's set a standard and stick with it.

Posted by: former liberal WF at November 24, 2004 3:55 PM

I dont live in Toronto so I am not 100% sure of what they were going to be teaching, from the newscasts I think it had something to do with the fact that some children have parents who are gay and the school was looking for a way to explain, I dont at all think they were going to promote a gay lifestyle or encourage the children to become gay (on the other hand I think the muslim agenda in school IS to convert) The entire point was the tolerance was the supposed agenda in both cases, I still think that it showed their true hypocritical colors....BTW I would prefer my children sit through a seminar on gay tolerance than one on islam...I know that they gays are not going to try to convert them.

Posted by: USAgirl at November 24, 2004 5:09 PM

USAgirl, that is some good stuff. I am actually going to write about gays in Islamic countries throughout history in my next class. I have found these 2 sites to be most useful for the modern period:

http://gayegypt.com
http://gaymiddleeast.com

These have articles and such, the Egypt one has an aritcle about the finding of Sapho's poetry, and the Middle East has news and stories. You should read the ones about Saudi, they're all gay!!!

Posted by: Ibn Rushd at November 24, 2004 5:37 PM

This is outright religious proselytizing in schools. I thought that was banned. So why would Islam get a free pass? Oh, because they can hide it behind the "cultural" mask. How convenient for them. They hide their hateful political ideology behind the "religious" mask when it's convenient, and then use the "cultural" mask when the religious one is not so convenient. Evil. So evil.

Yep, do like DCWatson - inform your kids of the truth. I've done that with my two teens. They watched 9/11 in horror and there was no way I was going to sugarcoat it. So don't let the PeeCee-brainwashed school teachers infect your kids' minds.

Posted by: feralee at November 24, 2004 7:13 PM

At the risk of being repetitious, I want once again to encourage our readers to band together, to bond, with community members. I've often suggested handing out pamphelts to those in the community, to anyone interested in the problem we face from the Moslem encroachment on our lives, but more particularly on the lives of those too young to understand the problem fully, i.e. children.

Again, I urge you to combine your forces of intellect and energy to create a solid and co-ordinated front of citizens who will act in unison to inform your fellows of the problem we face. I urge a co-ordinated response for the simple reason that one man acting alone is a crack-pot regardless of how true his facts and how solid his research. I argue that if a number of jihadwatch writers and readers join forces and act in conjunction, that alone will serve the purpose not only of giving crediblity to the cause, as weak as it might be logically, but psychologically, each one of us will know that he or she is not alone on the corner. There is not merely strength in numbers, there is the emotionaly satisfaction of knowing that elsewhere you have friends willing to stand metaphorically with you, to hold your hand in the cold, to whisper in your ear when you're discouraged.

I've argued recently thanks to the brilliant insight from one of our readers, that military people are excellent sources of new recruits, people willing to listen, able to benefit from further knowledge on an intellectual basis of what the islamic problem is that they saw only in terms of war. I argue that soldiers will be happy to met you, whereas it's possible that a passsing stranger might be a Moslem who might also kill you.

Consider that other parents like yourselves might be as frightened by the influx of Islam into the neighborhood school, and they might sit at the kitchen table wondering why no one is doing anything about this. They might live next door to you, and they might be afraid of Islam, and they might also fear even moreso that if they say they are afraid of Islamic subversion of the school system,that they will suffer the ostrasization of the community, the slander of racism.

I urge you to talk to people you know. Adela memtions that she talks to many people, and that they seem not to care. That's the odds. There are, I assure you, many people simply worrying in the privacy of their own fears for someone to lead them, to at least reassure them they are not alone in their fear. If 20 people among us gain even one sympathetic ear, that is one person we can all share. If each of us finds one person, it's 20 we can share. This is not simply an issue for nervous people. We understand the seriousness of it, and so do many others. If we give them a chance to express their concerns, we'll do more for ourselves and our communities than we can by writing to each other. Organize. Our friends want to know us. Let's give them a chance. Reach out to people. You will make more friends than enemies. And if you were to make even one friend from the years this must go on, you'll have something in that friend more valuable than anything any rich man can buy. You and your friend, your children and your community, our nations and Humanity itslef stand to gain from your efforts. This is a noble and great thing we do. Allow others to take part in it, and celebrate your chance to attain the greatest thing we can in our time: the fight for the Good, the moral of Man.

We few, we happy few....

And when those we have are gone down to return no more, that too we must celebrate though it's bitter to lose a friend. I think of this in those times:

The edge of war, like an ill-sheathed blade,
shall no more cut its master.

But we live, and we shall live. We will live among good men and women. And we will live well in this fight.

Posted by: sonofwalker at November 24, 2004 7:35 PM

Feralee raises a good point. Those of us who have children had to explain the horror of 9/11 to them. My children were stuck in the US when the Canadian border temporarily closed, as they used to attend a Jewish dayschool. However, as soon as the WTC came down, local Arabs began phoning in bomb threats to the children's school. It was awful, they had to be ascorted to safety by the police. Kids in that community knew where the threat lay, but almost immediately press conferences were held by Arab Americans whining about being afraid of a backlash, etc. The Detroit schools quickly put a unit together promoting understanding and racial harmony. Quite honestly, I felt that not dancing in our streets and clapping joyfully on 9/11 would have done a heck of a lot more to promote racial harmony. I could be wrong.

Posted by: libbysmom at November 24, 2004 7:36 PM

sonofwalker,

I've often suggested handing out pamphelts to those in the community, to anyone interested...

Do you happen to have, as a PDF file, any of these pamphlets that we should all be handing out? This is a wonderful idea, and if you don't have one, let's make one and put it online. People could download it, and thereby have the pamphlet(s!)

Countless people would be emailing copies to EVERYONE. How much time do you think we have left?

Posted by: yahudimrevenge at November 24, 2004 8:45 PM

"If the school does not allow overt preaching, “Alhamdu lillah, there are ways to circumvent this problem,’ such as reporting on Islamic events or writing about Islamic holidays. “This way, you are still presenting an aspect of Islam without coming across as a preacher.”"

So sly and sneaky, they think of everything. Again, if it comes across as too "religious" they can always fall back on the "cultural" aspect of Islam.

Posted by: feralee at November 24, 2004 9:45 PM

It is useful to study the offerings at the www.dawanet.com website, especially the sample presentations of Ramadan, or the ways that Muslim parents are carefully instructed in a step-by-step wooing and winning of teachers and principals (there is even, if you look around, a precise guide as to when to invite the teacher or school adminsistrators home to have a "delicious meal of chicken and pita" and so on). It is all down to a science -- a carefully calculated, and calibrated program, to ensure that whatever demands you make on a school, from the setting aside of a prayer room, to letting students out for such prayer, to permitting Muslims essentially to conduct propaganda -- Da'wa -- freely in the schools, under one guise or another ("Sharing Ramadan" Outreach, promoted by CAIR, is the best-known).

Much of what is at www.dawanet.com is simply rehashed, or reposted, stuff from various speakers' bureaus -- all designed to prepare you for your propagandistic missionary work in the schools, if you are an attentive Muslim. But some of it is even more sinister. It would be wise if parents and teachers and administrators alike visited this site, and fully informed themselves of just how studied and thought-out the propaganda effort is -- and made sure that none of it gets by in the classrooms in which they teach, or which they oversee, or which their students inhabit.

More than one John Walker Lindh -- I can think of an East Coast example -- has been set on the course of Islam, and is off seeking a suitable bride in Yemen, because of a smiling Pakistani roommate (or some such) he had at prep school and then at Harvard, or schools like it. The problem is everywhere, at every level.

Eternal vigilance has to be exercised. Islam is a cult, but even more, it is a cult that threatens everyone who does not belong to that cult, in a way that the Hare Krishnas and the other well-known cults never did. And it will permanently stunt the growth of all those who enter it -- you do not want to stunt your child's mental growth, do you?

So you need to study, with care, those parts of www.dawanet.com that are most relevant, and most revealing. It is not hard to do. You can print out some of the stuff, and share it with other parents. You can protest -- or better yet, pre-empt the efforts of the smiling lady who wants to come to St. Grottlesex or your child's homeroom to tell everyone about the wonders of Ramadan. You may think, at first, that little harm can come of it. YOu would be wrong. An initial false impression about Islam, implanted in someone at an impressionable age, may be stuck and hard to eradicate later on. The first task of all Infidels is to sufficiently study the matter, so that no matter what is presented to them, they cannot be fooled. The second task is to help inform as many other people as possible, no matter how long it takes, no matter how tiresomely pedagogic one's tone may become, no matter how repetitions -- repetition even of phrases, until your audience has thoroughly assimilated those turns of phrase and made them their own, even possibly not recognizing where they came from. This is a duty of individuals, including many who come to this website, because the government has abdicated its responsibility. And if we are to believe a recent story, of the 1,500 members of MESA (the academic assocation of those who teach in MIddle Eastern departments), only 50 of those 1,500 appear to take the current administration's dim view of the Jihad -- or 3%. That means that the teaching of Middle Eastern matters, you can be sure, will carefully avoid Qur'an (except the Sells version, or some equally sanitized, or explained-away-in-advance version), hadith, and sira.

Those 50 no doubt include Cook, Crone, Lewis, and a few others who are the only members of MESA whose scholarship is other than tendentious trash, but it is still a scandalous situation.

It used to be said to students going to Soviet Russia to study Russian that they had "chosen the worst place in the world to study" -- for they would be subject to propaganda that would drown out the study of literature and language. The worst place now to try to learn about Islam, and Jihad-conquest, and the treatment of non-Muslims, from Spain to Indonesia, under Muslim rule, is now within university departments of Middle Eastern studies. There are still scholars in Leiden, in Germany, even in Paris and in England. In this country, given the general laxity about doctorates and the weigh-by-the-pound attitude toward publications, the situation is much worse. One cannot imagine Rashid Khalidi, Fawaz Gergez, Abou el Fadl, and the rest getting academic posts at any institution of serious scholarship (and that excludes, of course, St. Antony's in its MIddle Eastern wing, at Oxford); in this country, they have no problem whatsoever.

Were another Joseph Schacht, David Margoliouth, Arthur Jeffery, Dufourcq, Bousquet, Snouck Hurgronje to come along, where exactly in this country would they find positions, much less be allowed to receive tenure? Hard to imagine.

Posted by: Hugh at November 24, 2004 9:53 PM

So Muslims want Americans to teach their children all about Islam in their school system. What an opportunity!!! Thank you!!! Here's what they can be taught about Islam-

1-)Indeed, let's teach our students the truth about Islam in order to truthfully Expose Islam as having its origins in Middle Eastern human sacrifice sects...and not from Abraham as Muslims falsely claim.

2-) Teach them in order to truthfully Expose Islam as idolatry and teach them the truth about al-lah. Namely that Al-lah is NOT the Judeo-Christian deity known as 'Yahweh.' And that Al-lah has been proven beyond all doubt to be 'BAAL.' 'Baal' is in fact the source of the word,'Beelzebub,' which of course is a synonym for 'Satan.'
When the origins of the word 'al-lah' are made clear, it becomes equally clear that Muslims are in all probability unwitting worshipers of 'satan.' And incidentally this is what many Hindus of India believe. And while we're at it we can teach our children the destruction of Hindustan and Eastern Hellis at the hands of the Islamic invaders.

3-) Teach them so as to truthfully Expose Islam as being what much of the world has discovered it to be (at cost)--the greatest killing machine known in the history of humanity. YES---teach our students the truth of Islam's history--namely that islam has likely murdered over 400 million human beings over the past one thousand years. Teach them Islam's harrowing history of conquest, sadism, slavery, and genocide across Asia Minor, the Balkans, Africa and much of southern Asia...
Teach them so that they may know this and remain vigilant.

4-)Yes. Teach America's children Islam is conspiracy to commit MURDER. And conspiracy to commit GENOCIDE. In the words of Islam's 'bible,' the Koran:'SLAY THE INFIDELS EVERYWHERE TEHY ARE FOUND'....And that they are the infidels targeted for extermination NEXT.... Al-lah is hungry for their blood...Teach them, teach them....
Let's teach them.

Posted by: pythagoras at November 25, 2004 12:22 AM

Marry Your Rapist – Understanding Islam

In Islamic society if a woman/girl is raped she is offered the option - of marrying her rapist. She is given a choice on whether to press charges or to marry the offender. If for instance, the girl is poor and the man is rich marrying her rapist, might work out in the woman’s favor, as her family will want to get rid of her now.

The women’s virginity is seen as so important to the society and in marriage, that if a woman looses her virginity - she will spend the rest of her life without a husband and with no other financial means, this could prove disastrous.

To protect the virginity, young Muslim women engage in anal s-e-x with the young men; as on marriage she must present a medical certificate – proving that she is a virgin. By having anal s-e-x she can have a little fun, without loosing her virginity and ruining her chances of marriage.

If this young girl was brought up in the West - she might not have understood - that to engage in full or normal s-e-x could lead to problems with marriage and this is where the conflict with her family would lie.

Once Islamic women loose their virginity, many opt to become prostitutes as few other options are available. In this case care should be taken to see that this young woman does not see prostitution as her only option and although rejected by her family could still marry, have a career and lead a normal life. This should be the main focus of any counseling.

In Saudi Arabia many Europe men complain of being sexually harassed – by the Arab men. In the Islamic world it is very common for men to engage in s-e-x with other men and women with women - as it is of utmost importance to preserve the virginity of the women in the society.

Posted by: Pass It On at November 25, 2004 5:09 AM

A very good way of informing the public, in either the uk or usa is witj car stickers on the back window.
get them printed, give them out to friends, associates or even to a local car wash.
A simple message.
"SAVE YOUR COUNTRY VISIT WWW.JIHADWATCH.ORG"

or any other site.
Think of the amount of people who will look at your rear car window in traffic.
Just an idea

Posted by: apostate_islam at November 26, 2004 9:33 AM

Sounds like Bush has to fight the war on the homefront as well. I didn't think the problem was that bad in the homeland? Just what is the numbers of Muslims in the States? And do we count the coloured nuts around Farrakan as Muslim or is that something else? And are these in Michigan recent immigrants or where do they all come from?

Posted by: Terminator at November 26, 2004 5:57 PM