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Of course, she now denies saying or meaning it. From the Copenhagen Post, with thanks to Filtrat:
No matter what former Social Democratic city councilwoman Fatima Shah really believes about the stoning of adulterous women under sharia law, the damage is done. Immigration consultant and author Fahmy Almajid says last week's scandal over Fatima Shah following a feature article in daily newspaper BT under the headline "She Supports Stoning" is yet another setback for integration of Muslims in Denmark.
Yes, but it is strange (but not surprising) that the article seems to be placing responsibility on those who publicized her remarks, not on her remarks themselves.
"This scandal has only deepened the divide, led to more hate and more generalisations. It's given more ammunition to the popular perception that all Muslims believe women should be stoned for adultery - even Muslims who (like Fatima Shah) are doctors, politicians and well-integrated immigrants. It's damaging to Danes and Muslims. In fact, it doesn't even matter if Fatima Shah resigns from politics and retracts her original remarks. The damage is done," said Fahmy Almajid.
It doesn't matter if all Muslims don't believe adulterers should be stoned. If some do, they constitute a segment of Danish society that does not accept Danish law. And that must be faced, generalizations aside.
Last week's interview in B.T. was based on an interview with Fatima Shah conducted by outspoken pundit and Social Democrat Mohammad Rafiq. Speaking with daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten today, Fahmy Almajid said Fatima Shah herself bore much of the blame for the brouhaha."Maybe she was misquoted, but she should have found out beforehand what the point of this interview with Mohammad Rafiq really was, and she should have been more careful. In fact, I believe that any politician who isn't media-trained should be extremely cautious in making any kind of statement to the press," said Almajid.
Almajid said the debate in Denmark over Islamic sharia law was largely irrelevant to begin with.
"No one in this country is in any position to make statements about sharia law, because we have no authorities in the area. There's not one properly trained imam. Sharia is really only a question of interpretation. Sharia under the Taliban regime in Afghanistan meant that women couldn't speak out loud or laugh. In Saudi Arabia, they can laugh but they can't drive. And in Syria, they can more or less do as they please. Interpreting sharia law literally is just like Danes taking the Old Testament literally," said Almajid.
Classic dodge. No one is taking the OT literally in all its particulars. Anywhere. But plenty of people take Sharia literally. Almajid focuses on minute areas of disagreement between the Taliban and the Saudis, fails to mention that Syria is not a Sharia state, and in no way informs his hearers that Sharia is actually for the most part quite fixed and readily identifiable in content.
Posted by Robert at November 25, 2004 7:44 AM
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at November 25, 2004 8:04 AM
OMG!
These bastards have now gotten so emboldened that they loudly debate the applicability of sharia in western societies! Now will the free press do us all a favor and conduct a crash course on what sharia is and does to the general mass of western news-consumers?
OT but pertinent? IS the media in mainland europe really 'free'? DOn't artificial shackles like 'hate-speech laws' and racism-accusations not stifle the fundamental right to free expression? Why, even Canada is shit-scared of opening its media market out to Fox news! Where is all this heading...?
Posted by: voletti at November 25, 2004 8:08 AM
Wait a minute. I take the OT literally. Sure, I'm aware that since the coming of M'shiach, our mission cannot be to preserve ourselves in one land in order to prepare the way for M'shiach, so we no longer follow the ceremonial and civil law. However, the moral law of the OT remains in force.
Our Christian mission since the ascension of the risen Christ has been to make disciples of all nations, not destroy Canaanites. It's why Peter got a vision in Acts 10 about eating all kinds of non-kosher animals (he was called to preach to a Roman centurion's household right afterwards).
Adultery, murder, theft, and blasphemy (among others) remain major sins in the eyes of God. Blasphemy, which is false prophecy (speaking, in the name of God, a purported revelation He did not give) is indeed a very serious sin, and is probably why most of the Muslim world consistes of slums surrounded by deserts--for Muhammad's false prophecies brought a curse. The death penalty for murder was given to Noah (Genesis 9), long before Moses, for murder is a sacrilege against God's image.
The Islamic fury unleashed on the proudly blasphemous West (in Maryland, my state, public school children aren't allowed to be taught that the Pilgrims thanked God) may well be a divine payback. Amos pointed out to Israel that if they loved Mesopotamian gods so much, they would be sent to those gods' place (Amos 5:25-27). Hence, I shudder for my country and civilization, on which God lavished His good gifts and much grace, when I reflect that God is just. And since, unlike the infidel Thomas Jefferson, I take the OT literally, I say the above not as some kind of rhetorical flourish. God is not mocked.
However, I have no doubt that Christianity will rise again even better and more faithful before the Bible's homelands are re-evangelized.
Posted by: Kepha1 at November 25, 2004 8:51 AM
Why, even Canada is shit-scared of opening its media market out to Fox news! Where is all this heading...?
Posted by: voletti
I for one (Canadian), am looking forward to getting my Foxnews after Jan 1st. But to be honest, I like many others these days get my news off of the net. Both Main stream media and otherwise. Thank God for the internet. Whatever name you give him.
Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at November 25, 2004 8:58 AM
Here's a Danish story about this gal from last Friday - with a photo: http://www.berlingske.dk/indland/artikel:aid=507044/
Here's your typical Modern and Moderate Euro-Muslim: young, female, educated, politically active, even unveiled. And she states here quite clearly that Islamic law is more important for her than the democratic law of the country and the "humanist community".
Posted by: Scandie at November 25, 2004 11:26 AM
The Dane's Viking ancestors must be turning in their graves. Four decades of leftist multi-culturalism has destroyed !,000 years of Nordic culture. Good night Denmark.
Posted by: Son Of Albion at November 25, 2004 11:33 AM
There's follow-up on this in Copenhagen Post:
http://www.cphpost.dk/get/83873.html
Among other things, another Muslim politician says:
"It's impossible to condemn sharia. And any secular Muslim who claims he can is lying. ... Demanding that Muslims swear off sharia is a form of warfare against them," said [Centre Democrat Ben] Haddou...
at November 25, 2004 12:12 PM
Fox appears to be close to going on the air in the pay-channel range,but Muslims and CAIR still want Al-Jazeera and Sharia-Law in Canada.
This is a bad combo since the show is in Arabic and is know for the beheadings by "Non-Muslims"
wanting to defame Islam.
NO ISLAM - KNOW PEACE
at November 25, 2004 5:18 PM
What do we have to know about Islam?
I learned as much as i ever needed to know in a theatre in Cairo: A man leaned over his wife and punched his 15 year old daughter in the face so hard her blood spurted onto the aisle. I learned that when a peasant girl takes off her veil in front of a foreigner and fluffs up her hair she doesn't think she's showing broken teeth, black eyes, and cracked cheek bones that never heal, she thinks she's angling for marriage on the spot. I learned that the blood-soaked rags on the street came from eight year old girls who'd been mutilated to please Allah. I learned that if I were to teach at the local school, all of my students would have been murdered by their families for asking questions after class. I learned that even though I could get money in pounds sterling, a house, and a wife--16 years old, and she's a virgin--that there is no way I want to increase the suffering of anyone whose life is already barren and painful beyond recovery. I'm not that kind of man, but there are many who'll happily fill my place: they are Moslems. They are my enemies. I know that. I really don't need to know more.
I do know a fair bit about Islam, its tenets, its culture, its history. I know at least as much about fascism. I really don't need to know nearly as much as I do to make an informed decision that Islam and fascism are evil, and that I must do whatever is in my power as one man to stop the evil those ideologies create in our world.
I know, and others know, that Islam is evil, and that it incites and enflames the minds of the weak and helpless to commit atrocities against the Huam race. It perpetrates slavery and spreads a sickness in the Human spirit. I know that those who have that sickness are nearly impossible to save. I know they will infect their children with the sickness that is Islam, and I know they will infect your children with the same sickness if they can.
Knowing all that, learning more each day as I do, I msut ask: What is to be done? At what point do I say I know enough, and enough is enough?
I don't need more knowledge of Islam. This is the time to spread the word and the knowledge I have. this is the time to let others know what I know. And I do not believe for one moment that anyone will care more or less if by the time they see the mere outlines of Islam they are offered more. People make up their minds quickly on such issues, and to try to create masters of anti-fascism in the war against Islam isn't that important. One fascist in Denmark can educate a nation in five minutes. Beyond that there is little more to learn other than the attitude one will take.
Again, I ask that you meet your neighbors and people in your communities to tell them simple things about Islam, such as the so-called marriage of Mohammed and Aisha. As Hugh points out, it is right and successful to pound home the simple messages day by day. People will make decisions based on emotion. A few facts, and off they go. Mostly it is a matter of attitude. Support your neighbors and members of your community in their genuine concern regarding the loss our our heritage. Support women whose lives are living hell because of Islamic culture in our midst. It's a matter of attitude now. Draw in those who want to be drawn in. They are legion. They want you, and they need you to talk to them.
I suggest now, on the strength of our writer who pointed it out recently, that military people who are returning from Islamic lands are your natural constituents. If you see someone in uniform, say hello. Invite them here. When they see they're not alone, they will bring others. the greatest thing they will learn is that they are not isolated and despised for having fears of Islam. Take it day by day, and each day say hello to one person. If you have a chance to meet a military person, so much the better. Just say hello.
Hi, my name's Dag.
Posted by: sonofwalker at November 25, 2004 5:43 PM
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