Is it possible for a single nation to veto Turkey's entry or it be a case of a majority decision?

Is there is a veto, the best bet is Cyprus

Posted by: Elephant at December 13, 2004 11:27 AM

There was also a poll done in Greece for the newspaper "To Paron"(The Present) by a polling company RAS. 76.3% of Greeks think that the Greek government should not agree with Turkey's EU bid unless it stops its airspace violations in the Aegean territory of Greece. 74.9% of Greeks say Turkey should be given a no in its EU negotations, because it does not recognize Cyprus. Contrary to these wishes, the Greek government supports Turkey's EU entry; Turkey like no other EU member, would destroy the EU upons its entry, shifting along with the constant influx of muslim immigrants the demographic and even geographic identity of Europe, to Asia and Islam. Every other reason for rejecting Turkey is flaccid compared to this, nothing is worth the price of making Europe a province of Asian and North African Islam.

Posted by: Nikephoros_Phokas at December 13, 2004 3:11 PM

What does the difference between the European ruling class and its ruled tell us about the state of the anti-jihad movement in the West, and among us as readers and writers at Jihadwatch in particular?

The fascist-minded Platonist philosopher kings of the new-and-improved-Europe care no more about the people and the nation than did the old lot. The lower classes are still the slave classes, meant to work to provide wealth for their betters. The clerical support for the illusion of class is now made sanctified by the support of clerks in government social services departments. The new holiness is Inclusion of Other.

The Left is fascist. The collaborator-class of priests is replaced with pseudo-intellectuals from the academy current. The neo-Scholastics of Multi-Culti veni, vidi, vici, welfare, and I-demand-my-rights terrorize the unsure, the laity, those who aren't allowed to read the sacred texts of Latinate Foucault. The heresies of "What the hell is going on here?" condemn one to the fires of the Social Eginering inquistion. The power of the powerful, the might of the self-righteous, the authority of the knowing and the uber-moral, these fascists indulging in sanctimony and religiousity at the expense of the people, as usual, lead us all to the edge of revolution, and we are without a party of resistence. The Estates oppress us, and we have no
leadership in the field. The golden-boys of European neo-fascist Leftism know all, see all, and screw all. And we bend over backwards to appease them!

As it is always, the European rulership rules in its class interest. The fortunate side of that is the European masses, as it were, have centuries of experience with ridding themselves of such paraqsite classes. It's an endless war of interest and counter-interest. There is nothing new in European revolution. there is a history in Europe of resistence as well as of collaboration. Europeans might well go to war against the Janissaries and their pay-masters. But what of America? What of the majority of Jihadwatch contributors?

The American view of history shows little regard for the men and women who fought fascism in the Spanish Civil War. We are the beginnings of the Lincoln Brigade today. Like the Republicans, we face a growing and violent facscism that threatens to engluf the entire world, and our leaders and our fellows dismiss it as trivial, as a small problem beyond our borders, perhaps a few infiltrators here and there the police will deal with. The fact that fascism in pouring into Europe again from Morocco is simply an historic irony. Americans do not see the threat as serious.

What of us as contributors to this site? We are the vanguard in the war against Islamo-fascism. We understand the threat, and we are.... We are not organized.

The Europeans will revolt against their governments and turn the West into a giant Jugoslavia. Should we remain isolated? Should we sit this one out because it's a European problem, like the usual sort they create for themselves? Will we sit it out till the enemy makes a sneak attack on us that we simply cannot ignore any longer? Will we then have to go to the rescue of Europe again?

The European tradition of revolution and civil war is not our history in America. We've done each once, and that seems to have been enough to learn lasting lessons. The Europeans do not learn. But for us to forget that they do not learn is to put ourselves back on the treadmill of saving them over and again. We have to learn the game to play our parts effectively. We have to learn to create clandestine groups of determined resistence fighters. That comes from the radicalizing of members, not simply by reading Jihadwatch posts but from being on the streets in demonstrations facing the hatred of the opposition, of being tear-gassed, and of spending the night in jail. It's not our tradition here in America to involve ourselves in world affairs at a personal level. We do not think of ourselves as militant activists. But I argue that we must change that self-image into one of resistence fighters against Islamo-fascism and its pay-masters. Look at what our opponents did to us. Look at what they will do again. See that they will never ever stop. Look at your future. It is the ever-present threat of fascist Islam.

We too appease. We try to be sociable in the face of committed fascist of the Left. We respond patiently to Naseem and Reza and their ilk. We allow for fools such as the buffoon who bragged that he is so much smarter and more knowledgable than us because he has both a Master's degree and a Ph.D. We make welcome every side-lined fool from the Elbow-patches Society and all the has-beens of the Mensa Cheerleader Squad. But we don't organize. we are not, for the most part, Europeans. But what they do is affecting us daily. They will bring war upon us. We will have to join the military in our millions to combat the waves of peasant maniacs waging jihad in the name of the after-life. If the European tradition of revolution and civil war is foreign to us, how will we ever come to terms with Islam? No more Mr. Nice-guy.

America, you must wake up and go to work. The shopping spree is over. Now it's time to pay the credit bill.

Let's forget that Islam is killing its own around the clock. Let's concentrate on the fact that Islam is killing our own. Every day ours are dying at the hands of Moslems. There's nothing abstract about that. Ours are dead. There will be more of ours dead tomorrow. And on it will go. In time it will touch you directly. What will you not do then?

But what can we do now to prevent the deaths that will occur if we stand by idly now?

If a further 70 million hungry, poor, and violence-prone Moslems join those in Europe now, what will our future be like next year? Will we keep hitting the snooze button? Will we keep listening to the dulcet tones of Esposito and Armstrong? Or will we hear 100 million Islamic voices chanting in Europe five times per day: Death ot America?

If you could demonstrate your anxiety about the Moslem terror in our midst, where would you go? What would you do? It's not like us, as a rule, to go out into the streets to protest. We have to think seriously about changing that perception of ourselves. We might have to look at those who do protest. We might have to learn that if people can organize a protest meeting over the injusticies of spraying bole-wevils to extinction, then maybe we can protest against the end of civilization as we know it.

To do anything effective, you need the support of your neighbors and friends. I urge you to have one friend per day join this site as a writer. And I urge that new writer to enlist another. I make this promise: Tomorrow I will have a friend write anything at all to this site. And I will do that everyday. I challenge you.

Forget the cynicism of the European fascists. Wait, if you must, to learn the mind-set of European resistence. but as Jihadwatch contributors, take what we are and use it to our advantage. We are not revolutionaries, I'm sad to say, but we are capable of creating and sustaining the greatest civilization the world has ever known. We should be able to enlist at least one person daily to voice support for that. We are not likely, as are our European friends, to take to the streets to fight a war against our governments. We have other traditions and other means to make ourselves known and obeyed. One way is to change the system by being actively involved in our own lives as citizens. Involve a friend tomorrow.

Posted by: sonofwalker at December 13, 2004 4:00 PM

The Euro-Arab Dialogue, and all the secret agreements made, with France at the center, between certain European governments and institutions (the E.U.) and representatives of the Arab League and Arab governments, is the product of elites, arranging secret covenants secretly arrived at.

Those elites, those ruling circles, have often benefited personally -- as Chirac, for example, has -- from their appeasement of Arabs and Muslims. A good many government officials, journalists, diplomats, and of course supposedly disinterested teachers and researchers, have received, directly and indirectly, Arab largesse.

Despite the clear unease, desarroi, disagio, of the peoples of Europe, the governing circles everywhere are in too deep in their appeasement of Islam to allow themselves to draw back now. For then they would have some explaining to do. In the first place, they would have to explain to their own people how it is that over the past two or three decades, the governments in Europe have allowed in so many Muslim migrants, allowed them to come, to settle in, and to begin to transform Europe, rather than being transformed by Europe (which in any case is impossible -- or, where possible, always subject to backsliding into the fervent and fanatical version of Islam, a change that can be prompted by any number of things).

That is why people in Europe must demand a referendum. They have a right to vote on a matter as momentous as allowing a gigantic Muslim state, one that has given ample evidence of a bullying, and hostile nature, and which is prepared to take but not to give, and indeed shows that it takes offense at any suggestion that a Muslim country would not fit in perfectly within -- not so much "Christian" Europe as a Europe that was formed by, and owes its civilization to, a"Christian" or, more accurately, a "Judeo-Christian" history, one that is completely opposed to, and by, Islam.

Yes, a referendum. If they can take place for things as relatively trivial as a tax override, surely referenda in France, Germany, and in other countries on the matter of Turkish admission can be both demanded, and held to satisfy the demand.

Posted by: Hugh at December 13, 2004 11:36 PM

EU POLITICIAN: "A referendum on the admittance of Turkey into the EU, Hugh? But...BUT..that would be democratic!!! That just isn't civilised...the trains won't run on time if we do things the democratic way.

Besides why ask the plebs what they want when you can do things quicker by running the train over them. Worked with Mussolini and all those other beurocratic idols of ours. Edrogan therefore is just the kind of guy we are looking for.

Tommorrow Turkey, then the middle-east and then the WORLDDDDDD!!!!!...when you get that big only a beurocracy will do...democracy just cramps our megalomaniac style.

Edrogan, springtime and eurabia!!!!! I can just about smell the bootpolish stamped on the faces of all the dhimmi's now."

Posted by: obl r us at December 14, 2004 1:09 AM

59% of the Dutch are AGAINST a Turkey EU-membership. Only 29% of the Dutch say they agree with a EU-membership for the Islamic country.

https://n21.noties.nl/peil.nl/

Posted by: Nordthiad at December 14, 2004 2:25 PM