Obviously defacing websites that disagree with their way of thinking is the jihadists idea of free speech.

It also seems their idea of democracy is "what's mine is mine and what's yours is mine too"... maybe they're just not used to having to work hard to get the money to pay for what they want.

They seem to be in denial that defacing a website is also theft (which from the credit card frauds, etc), something they're not averse to, because somewhere in the koran there's obviously no mention of "thou shalt not steal". Stealing someone's webspace (that they've paid for) and defacing a site (which they've created with their own hard work), is illegal, immoral and criminal.

They should be prosecuted for their actions and the owner of the site should demand as much recompense as he possibly can.

One way of injuring these jihadists is through their pockets...

Posted by: Jerusalem Posts at December 17, 2004 9:12 AM

Looks like conservatives versus liberals, yet again. Liberal, progressive Muslims are trying to drag their culture kicking and screaming into the modern era...and the you-know-whats say "No way; you're not a real keeper of the faith; you're a traitor; you're going to hell; you're the enemy..." gee, sounds familiar.

The previous commenter commented this comment: One way of injuring these jihadists is through their pockets...

I couldn't agree more, that's why I don't patronize Muslim gas stations. I always find a Hindu. But a good gag is...(oh god this is fun) if you go into a Muslim gas station or convenience store, and they have pornographic magazines behind the counter, ask them if they have any porno featuring Muslim women. The reaction is...PRICELESS. (Note: it might be wise to get a Carry and Conceal permit first. (Yes, don't act surprised; some liberals love guns too.))

Posted by: kj at December 17, 2004 9:30 AM

Yeah, I went to the site and they don't look that progressive (liberal) to me either. I will still send all the Muslims that seem moderate to me to www.secularislam.org, but compared to most Muslims, these guys are at least trying.

To my progressive, liberal, atheist, secular, apostate, and humanist Muslim friends: you have a formidible task ahead of you. But we all wish you luck.

Posted by: kj at December 17, 2004 9:50 AM

I wonder if this might along the lines of what happened to the Islam-Christianity 'Exchange' (jamaat.net). They recently went down completely; everything lost or so my sources tell me. That may be a bit pessimistic. I'd like to think it was because they were getting slaughtered, but who knows? At any rate, I assume Robert's taking precautions?

KJ, that's mean about the gas stations. Funny. =) But kinda mean. But funny. =) You should maybe be somewhat ashamed of yourself. Or not.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at December 17, 2004 10:38 AM

You should watch the film on that site about the battle for America. It's not the America I want.
http://www.thebattleforamerica.com/

Posted by: Carolyn2 at December 17, 2004 1:20 PM

They're playing into our hands. Someone send them a bottle of whiskey (or something more Halal, although I suspect they'll consume the Whiskey as well).

Posted by: bastardos at December 17, 2004 1:58 PM

Funny, kj, for all your rants about conservatives, it's the conservatives, not liberals, who are standing up to the jihadists - liberals have't done sh*t to defend the West, which is why Zell Miller read you all the riot act at the RNC.

This former liberal recommends a book to you by a former liberal:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/089526076X/002-5008104-1573611?v=glance

Posted by: Mike at December 17, 2004 2:42 PM

What cracks me up more than anything is how liberals think of themselves as "progressives", as they cling to their failed 19th century theories on economics and politics.
Gee, why do we keep losing to the Republicans? Why do the margins grow increasingly larger?
Feel left behind yet? You SHOULD. Progress isn't coming from the paleo-liberal left, dude - the Revolution is leaving you behind. My hippy-ass figured that out decades ago, what's taking the rest of you so long??

Posted by: Mike at December 17, 2004 2:49 PM

Funny, kj, for all your rants about conservatives, it's the conservatives, not liberals, who are standing up to the jihadists -

Like that liberal, James Baker, who is representing the Saudis in the lawsuit brought by victims and survivors of the 9-11 terrorist attacks?

Like that liberal, Henry Kissinger, who couldn't chair the 9-11 Commission because he might have a "conflict of interest" investigating some of his "clients"?

Like that liberal, Grover Norquist, who lives to defend Islam?

Like that liberal, David Duke, who says that Israel should be destroyed to make a homeland for the "palestinians"?

Like that liberal, Louis FarrahKlan, who says that "Islam mean peace" and that the Koran is the ultimate source of truth and holy law?

Liberals like that? LOL.

...liberals have't done sh*t to defend the West,

Just tell me this: who has put away more jihadis, Janet Reno or John Ashcroft? (Note: Tommy Chong and Martha Stewart aren't Jihadis.) Were more Americans killed by jihadis under Clinton's watch, Reagan's watch, or Bush's watch? We all remember Clinton bombing the Al-qaeda factory in the Sudan and the Alqaeda camp in Afghanistan (until a certain group of American whined and whined and made him stop)...

The simple fact is, after the WTC was attacked in '93, the Clinton administration worked to prevent further attacks and were successful. Recall that (at least) three terror attacks were planned for us around Y2K. They were all thwarted.

Then W came to DC and was fixated on SDI and tax cuts for the rich to "reverse the damage" done by Clinton. According to the director of the FBI, Ashcroft "didn't want to hear about terrorism", after all, he had to get those dreaded potheads and pornographers.

THEY DROPPED THE BALL. It only took a phone call to stop all airflights on 9-11. They could have done it before 9-11. They could have done it when Dub got his Presidential Daily Briefing entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In The US." We knew the WTC was a target. We knew they could use airplanes as missiles. We knew they had no qualms about suicide.

Just name ONE THING Dub and Dick did to hit the jihadis prior to 9-11. Can you name one? Can you name ten?

which is why Zell Miller read you all the riot act at the RNC.

Zell Miller was a Dixiecrat that didn't have the hutzpah to leave our party when Reagan, Strom, Lott, and Helms did. I guess Max Cleland reading Dub the riot act doesn't mean anything to a "former liberal" like you.

This former liberal recommends a book to you by a former liberal:

You won't believe me (because I am a liberal) but I swear I thought that link was going to be a David Whorowitz book. I just thought so. (Really, with the phrases "former liberal" and "wrote a book", who else could it have been?)

Poor David. He claims that he was a liberal until a friend of his was killed by a liberal radical Black Panther. Too bad he didn't have any friends killed by the (right-wing, Christian) KKK, maybe he'd come back to my side. (By the way, the Black Panthers is pretty much defunct, visit www.kkk.org if you think that the KKK is.)

I like David Horowitz (but prefer Vladimir Horowitz, and actually may fave is Moses Horowitz.) He writes very well about the Israeli-"palestinian" problem. He has a ten-or-so-point essay about Arabs being the indefensible agressors in the Isreali-Arab issue that I often refer to when arguing with others liberals that are wrong about the Jihad issue. But keep him away from every thing else.

What cracks me up more than anything is how liberals think of themselves as "progressives", as they cling to their failed 19th century theories on economics and politics.

And what about the un-liberals that "cling to their failed 19th century theory on economics and politics": slavery?

Oh, I know... you mean communism! That really cracks me up, the way "un-liberals" try to equate liberalism with communism.

How about those failed economic policies of the fifties, when Unions were growing and people were prosperous? How about the "failed" economic policies of the '90s, when the minimum wage was increased, taxes on the wealthy were increased, taxes on the middle class were decreased, and we actually paid off the National Debt? And tripled the Dow?

Gee, why do we keep losing to the Republicans? Why do the margins grow increasingly larger?

I don't usually like to cut and paste, but let me enlighten you a little bit as to why "we" keep losing to Republicans. I am quoting your hero, Grover Norquist. Here is the link to the full article:

http://www.el-mundo.es/nuevaeconomia/2004/239/1095089802.html

And here is the excerpt:
When asked about if he thought Democratic Party was coming to an end Norquist told Pablo Pardo of El Mundo:
"Yes, because in addition their demographic base is shrinking. Each year, 2 million people who fought in the Second World War and lived through the Great Depression die. This generation has been an exception in American history, because it has defended anti-American policies. They voted for the creation of the welfare state and obligatory military service. They are the base of the Democratic Party. And they are dying."

And there is also this idea that Nixon had called the "Southern Strategy." Look at the demographics from the 60s through today, and you'll see the proof.

Feel left behind yet? You SHOULD.

Aaah, yes. The Appeal To Popularity. In addition to being a leftist, a liberal, and a loser, I am also a loner, so it wouldn't bother me in the least if I was the ONLY liberal in America.

Progress isn't coming from the paleo-liberal left, dude -

Like that progress being made toward gender equality, protecting the environment, making healthcare available for the needy, and giving women more reproductive choices?

Yeah, I like the conservative "progress": cut taxes for the rich; to hell with the environment; let religion rule over science, our schools, and our courts; let the debt skyrocket to bankrupt the federal government; and send 200 Billion dollars to Iraq while our ports and borders are unprotected. Some progress.

the Revolution is leaving you behind.

Like I said, that doesn't bother me. And one day, if there is a "Muslim Revolution" I won't go along with THAT either.

My hippy-ass figured that out decades ago, what's taking the rest of you so long??

Perhaps your headband was too tight, or you snorted a little too much glue at a Grateful Dead concert.

Oh wait, I think I know the problem. I'm still thinking with my BRAIN. Maybe if I start using my ass, like you did decades ago, I can join the ranks of the illustrious "Party Of God" that also just happens to be the Party of Strom Thurmond (R-Racemixer, Rapist, Child Molestor.)

You can whine and complain and vilify all you want, it won't help the anti-Jihadi cause one bit. The liberals are always going to be here. The thing for you to do is try to wake some people up to become aware of the true nature of Islam and Jihad.

You can say what you want, but the Jihadis hate homosexuals, hate feminists, think the environment is here to exploit for money, seek a cultural return to a former "Golden Age" that never really was that good, hate minorities, like slavery, like subjugating "the other", use scapegoat politics, preach doom and gloom, base their faith on old scriptural myths and fairy tales, hate the Unions, want "God's Law" in the schools and courts, etc. etc.

Does any of this sound familiar? Please tell me, are the jihadis conservative or liberal?

I fear that your kind of blather will only serve to get more liberals co-opted into the Muslim apology mindset. I know that there is a problem on my side, but I also know that insults won't wake them up. What worries me is that maybe if enough people lose their jobs, their health care insurance, their life savings, their right to reproductive choice, and their access to low-cost, secular, "state funded" education, there could just be a little backlash on the political scene. And then, the pendulum could swing a little too far to the left, and POOF!- we stop helping Israel in their anti-Jihad struggle.

Mike, you almost got me. I was THIIIIIS close to switching to con-rep. After all, everyone wants to be popular, right? LOL.

You should convert to Islam and start a Dawa booth. You'd do great at winning over converts!

Posted by: kj at December 17, 2004 4:39 PM

Oh, and don't forget about that 43 million dollars W and Powell gave the Taliban in April, 2001. I'm SURE they didn't use it to buys guns or anything like that.

Posted by: kj at December 17, 2004 4:43 PM

Farrakhan a liberal?

That's a good one!

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Posted by: kaffar at December 18, 2004 7:15 AM

Frankly, I'm astonished that the jihadi thugs hadn't taken aim at "Muslim Wakeup" until now. I think the site was hilarious at times, especially the tongue-in-cheek Muslima sex fantasies involving the long-dead Bukhari and pals. I had no idea Muslims were capable of such satire! Here's hoping the site is back together asap........at least the funny parts.

Posted by: kafira at December 18, 2004 10:22 AM

I'm curious - are those rules yours or sent to you by another group?

Cindy

Posted by: firstbrokenangel at December 19, 2004 12:49 AM