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Someone subscribed me to the Yahoo Group "Islam_1_God_1_Religion_1_Truth." A lot of interesting material has come across its wires recently, including this little nugget about not being too hasty with good wishes to the dhimmis:
Assalaamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu Dear Sister ~ ~ ~ ~, With reference to your query "can we Muslims say "happy new year" or respond likewise to any ppl who greet us "happy new year"? please find below what Shaykh Muhammad Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) wrote vis-à-vis celebrating non-Muslim holidays, congratulating them, or sending such salutations to our Muslim communities: Quote:- Greeting the kuffaar [unbelievers] on Christmas and other religious holidays of theirs is haraam [forbidden], by consensus, as Ibn al-Qayyim, may Allaah have mercy on him, said in Ahkaam Ahl al-Dhimmah: "Congratulating the kuffaar on the rituals that belong only to them is haraam by consensus, as is congratulating them on their festivals and fasts by saying ‘A happy festival to you’ or ‘May you enjoy your festival,’ and so on. If the one who says this has been saved from kufr, it is still forbidden. It is like congratulating someone for prostrating to the cross, or even worse than that. It is as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations, and so on. Many of those who have no respect for their religion fall into this error; they do not realize the offensiveness of their actions. Whoever congratulates a person for his disobedience or bid’ah or kufr exposes himself to the wrath and anger of Allaah."Congratulating the kuffaar on their religious festivals is haraam to the extent described by Ibn al-Qayyim because it implies that one accepts or approves of their rituals of kufr, even if one would not accept those things for oneself. But the Muslim should not aceept the rituals of kufr or congratulate anyone else for them, because Allaah does not accept any of that at all, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):
"f you disbelieve, then verily, Allaah is not in need of you, He likes not disbelief for His slaves. And if you are gratefulby being believers), He is pleased therewith for you. . ." al-Zumar 39:7
". . . This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion . . ." al-Maa’idah 5:3
So congratulating them is forbidden, whether they are one’s colleagues at work or otherwise.
If they greet us on the occasion of their festivals, we should not respond, because these are not our festivals, and because they are not festivals which are acceptable to Allaah. These festivals are innovations in their religions, and even those which may have been prescribed formerly have been abrogated by the religion of Islaam, with which Allaah sent Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the whole of mankind. Allaah says - interpretation of the meaning):
Whoever seeks a religion other than Islaam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers." Aal ‘Imraan 3:85
It is haraam for a Muslim to accept invitations on such occasions, because this is worse than congratulating them as it implies taking part in their celebrations.
Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:
Whoever imitates a people is one of them." Shaykh al-Islaam Ibn Taymiyah said in his book Iqtidaa’ al-siraat al-mustaqeem mukhaalifat ashaab al-jaheem: "Imitating them in some of their festivals implies that one is pleased with their false beliefs and practices, and gives them the hope that they may have the opportunity to humiliate and mislead the weak."
Whoever does anything of this sort is a sinner, whether he does it out of politeness or to be friendly, or because he is too shy to refuse, or for whatever other reason, because this is hypocrisy in Islaam, and because it makes the kuffaar feel proud of their religion.
Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion, to help them adhere steadfastly
Majmoo’ah Fataawa wa Rasaa’il al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 3/369 - unquote.
Fi Amman Allaah,
Your sister,
K a r i m a
Posted by Robert at January 1, 2005 4:25 PM
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As Khomeini said "There is no fun in Islam."
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at January 1, 2005 4:55 PM
More fruit from the tree of hate. This is right up there with the prohibition against using Muslim "charity" proceeds (zakat) to relieve the suffering of non-Muslims. They are also forbidden to wish non-Muslims "peace" (salaam) in greeting them. Religion of War.
Posted by: Hulegu Khan at January 1, 2005 4:55 PM
Allaah is the One Whom we ask to make the Muslims feel proud of their religion,
Really. This, while they are crying out, that the Christian West should speed up delivery of food, medicines and money. Above all, money, money ie jizya.
Islam is a Satanic cult that glories in the humiliation of muslims and non-muslims alike. Even a human tragdy such as this, muslims can only think of making capital for islam. An equal opportunity offender, is the best that one can say about islam.
Posted by: DP111 at January 1, 2005 5:37 PM
The very fact that Moslems need to ask such a question shows the deficiencies of the religion. Sorry, cult. I do listen carefully to my vicar's views (ecumenical, usually accord with mine, on other issues we can agree to differ) but I can pray, read the Bible, examine my own conscience and use all that to determine right from wrong. Moslems don't seem to have that relationship with the Lord.
OT one of the most interesting things that struck me about the battle for Fallugiah was a report from a local man about how terrified his neighbours were under fire. He said he was hearing all sorts of weird things as "people are so scared they are making up their own prayers"
If all Moslems would start to pray properly instead of doing gymnastics in the conference room all lunchtime they might actually learn something.
at January 1, 2005 6:00 PM
I wonder how the mad mullahs plan to explain why Muslim Indonesia was hit the hardest by the tsunami?
I'll bet they will explain it in terms of Allah being displeased because not enough infidels have been slaughtered, or some such.
Islam has to be the most pathetic excuse ever for a faith - to my knowledge, Islam does not provide even one new thought, only prohibitions and bigotry.
Posted by: DianaC at January 1, 2005 6:37 PM
it all fits with their belief that anyone and Everyone not of islam is, at best, 2nd class.
Unless it is someone like michael moore. He'll be a Jannisary (sp). Or a slave.
Posted by: Gary at January 1, 2005 7:57 PM
Just to piss them off, we should loudly and unabashedly walk up to muslims everywhere and wish them "Happy New Year!" I want to see if they're going to be rude or respond.
Posted by: 3812Michelle at January 1, 2005 7:59 PM
I've always wished my Chinese friends Gung Hei Fat Choy. Never thought twice about it. It's natural for normal, well-adjusted, kind people to wish each other well during their holiday celebrations. Muslims are thrilled when non-Muslims join in on their Ramadan fasts, even if the gestures are naive and misguided, yet won't return the favour by just uttering a few well wishes. No-one is asking them to prostrate themselves before religious icons here. It's just Happy New Year. But it's all about demonization and denigration of the infidel. Can't even say nice things to us.
"as great a sin as congratulating someone for drinking wine, or murdering someone, or having illicit sexual relations"
LOL! Imagine equating drinking wine with murdering someone or illicit sex! My God, how twisted! Last night I drank quite a bit of lovely wine. Oh dear, according to Muslims I'm as bad as if I had murdered someone last night. Goodness me. Unbelievable!
Posted by: feralee
at January 2, 2005 12:52 AM
What is wrong with muslims? Why are they so stupid? They flee their own countries for the West to escape the stagnated, archaic, retrograde cesspools of Islam and the culture it spawns. They yearn for freedom and prosperity. They see the obvious superiority of our culture and what it has produced. Yet they tell us we must respect Islam and the detritus it spawns, while they all but spit in our faces!
Islam creates the worst of people, not the best. It breeds selfishness, delusions of superiority, contempt, greed, resentment, and hate. How can muslims expect us to respect them when they have absolutely no respect for us or our traditions, religions, and customs?
Muslims do not think like we do. They are as alien to our world as invaders from another planet, and every bit as dangerous. They don't belong in our world, but they are here and we must deal with them, on our terms, not theirs. Their hubris and arrogance will ultimately expose them for what they are---deceitful, mendacious, conniving dissimulators. Clever they are not.
at January 2, 2005 2:01 AM
Now we cant make Moslems feel inferior to infidels, even if in reality they are inferior.
Funny how they cant make kind greetings to us infidels, yet I see their fat hand sticking out wanting for infidel money. What a farce.
No Mohammadanism, Know Peace
Posted by: Bar at January 2, 2005 2:20 AM
Apparently Naseem didn't realize that she had committed an act of "haraam". See below:
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Hello all,
For obvious reasons I don't celebrate christmas, but would like to offer my congratulations to all infedels on this day.
It is my hope that at least on this day there is no violence (although the 14 million turkeys slaughtered I'm sure wouldn't agree with that).
Wish you all a good & cheery day today.
Posted by: Naseem at December 25, 2004 07:24 AM
at January 2, 2005 2:36 AM
Nor Chan'ad:
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Dear Moe's Foe:
You're right that we Muslims should celebrate this day with more vigour given the standing of Jesus in Muslim narratives. That said I just thought I'd let you know that it is celebrated to a certain extent in some quarters of the Muslim world. For example, read my post about one of the events held here in Bahrain to commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ. And you should know that right now in Bahrain most of our supermarkets and shopping malls are decorated with Christmas trees, lights, santas etc. Our radio station has been playing Christmas songs all week. And just yesterday I saw a couple driving in thir car wearing santa hats with flashing lights!
Anyhows, a Merry Christmas to all of the "infidels" and non-infidels who are celebrating it! Best wishes from the jihadist isle of Bahrain.
Posted by: Chan'ad at December 25, 2004 09:12 AM
at January 2, 2005 2:51 AM
When I see this I see that is difficult that Jesus sentence, we have to love the muslims, what a hard, greetings
Posted by: Franze at January 2, 2005 7:10 AM
"Similarly, Muslims are forbidden to imitate the kuffaar by having parties on such occasions, or exchanging gifts, or giving out sweets or food, or taking time off work, etc., because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said:"
Does anyone know if and how many muslims WORK on our infidel holidays, like Christmas day, Boxing day, New years day etc. here in the West ?
Posted by: True Brit at January 2, 2005 7:45 AM
When Stephen Harper the leader of Canadian Conservative Party congratulated Muslims on Ramadan last year, some of his conservative supporters voiced their exterme displeasure with him with a flurry of emails to the Conservative party and heated debate on main Christian conservative forums. Check the archives at www.freedominion.ca for more information.
It is not the muslims that are "so stupid", Susan, it is anybody who takes his religion too seriously, including Christians and others.
Posted by: SeenathePersian at January 2, 2005 10:17 AM
I guess from now on, instead of saying 'Happy New' Year to muslims, I'll smile and say a quick: "Happy gather-up-and-move-your ingrateful, arrogant, jihadi fifth column back to your god forsaken hell hole(and the horse you rode in on)!."
Posted by: Kemaste at January 2, 2005 12:19 PM
Feralee, you said,
"I've always wished my Chinese friends Gung Hei Fat Choy. Never thought twice about it. It's natural for normal, well-adjusted, kind people to wish each other well during their holiday celebrations."
Of course you do--it has something to do with "good will towards men" (unspecified belief system).
That's what ALL people who don't feel threatened by the happiness of others do!
Posted by: cubed at January 2, 2005 12:27 PM
Never trust anyone who can't laugh at themselves. As someone told me once, "F*** 'em if they can't take a joke!". What a bunch of losers these muslims are, shackled by their iron chains of religious legalism. When rules and regulations trump relationships, you have a problem.
Posted by: R Dubya Bee at January 2, 2005 8:10 PM
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