http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/uk_politics/2005/01/07/seeking_the_muslim_vote.html

Seeking the Muslim vote

There's a bonkers article in today’s Daily Mail about Labour’s latest attempt to win back Muslim voters (unfortunately it does not appear on its website despite being on the paper’s front page) who’ve deserted the party over Iraq.

Posted by: Ali Dashti at January 7, 2005 7:03 PM

O'Brien is probably an IRA mole trying to undermine the U.K. with this clever appeal to the enemies of modern Western secular civlization-

If not, then he'd better wipe the brown off his lips (and nose) fast before the native English citizens catch a whiff of where he has been planting them. (Anus islamicus.)

Chamberlain merely sacrificed the Czechoslovaks to the Nazis in a bid to stave off a war that he worried would perhaps fatally injure his nation.

O'Brien apparently wants to sacrifice England itself to the 7th century mindset of this cult of mind doom known popularly as Islam.

I suggest free-thinking members of the fading British populace demand that this pandering puke read the Koran and understand the mindset of the people whom he is glibly encouraging to ultimately take over his land.

To paraphrase Churchill:

Never have so few done so much against so many.

Posted by: profitsbeard at January 7, 2005 7:05 PM

Some recommended books about Islam:

By ex-Muslims:

"Leaving Islam - Apostates Speak Out" edited by Ibn Warraq

"Why I am not a Muslim" by Ibn Warraq

"23 years" by Ali Dashti

"Women and the Koran" by Anwar Hekmat

"Islam and Terrorism" by Mark Gabriel

"Islam and the Jews" by Mark Gabriel

"Rage against the veil" by Parvin Darabi

"Islamic Mysticism: A Secular Perspective" by Ibn Al-Rawandi

"Shame" by Taslima Nasrin

Coming soon: "A World Apart" by Ali Sina

By others:

"Onward Muslim Soldiers" by Robert Spencer

"Islam Unveiled" by Robert Spencer

"Muhammad" by Maxime Rodinson

"Islam and dhimmitude" by Bat Ye'or

"Among the Believers" by V. S. Naipaul

"Islam and Human Rights" by Ann Elizabeth Mayer

"Human Rights in Iran: The Abuse of Cultural Relativism" by Reza Afshari

"Escape from Slavery" by Francis Bok

"The Rage and The Pride" by Oriana Fallaci

"Jihad in the West" by Paul Fregosi

"Mohammed and the Rise of Islam" by David S. Margoliouth

"Slavery in the Arab World" by Murray Gordon

"Reliance of the Traveller" by Ahmad Ibn Lulu Ibn Al-Naqib

"Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis" by Bat Ye'or

Posted by: Ali Dashti at January 7, 2005 7:07 PM

The Information Project update is posted at Jihad Watch... "email trouble" thread

Posted by: susan_b at January 7, 2005 7:38 PM

Nothing but arse kissing slime balls !! I HATE this Labour government!! All they're interested in is keeping their overpayed corrupt arses in their parliamentary seats waiting to draw their equally overblown pensions AAAGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!
And the rest (Libs and Cons) are no better. They all sh** in the same pot. Greedy, corrupt, self centred, megalomaniacs.

It says Blair has read the Quran.. HA !! I'll bet he has !!

I hope him and his stupid (baby grand piano keyboard)grinning wife are the first to feel the knife on their jugulars when "they" ATTEMPT TO TAKE OVER. I'd love to be a fly on the wall that day.

Posted by: True Brit at January 7, 2005 7:40 PM

Of course it goes without saying that Blairs Labour Party are the best friends the muslims ever had,equally so it also proves that he does not give a rats ass for the working men Labour are supposed to represnt.Liberal Eurabian Politics has totally shafted the average European
citizen and placed squarely above him the radical
muslim...oh best give abdul everything he screams
for he may go off and become a jihadi.European
politicians are truly the only one's to blame as it is them alone who've pandered to every demand
made upon them by these people who've every intention to force all of us european citizens to
live under some sort of Sharia law.Listen to what
the imam's and clerics are saying allover Eurabia
Mr Blair.Their pathetic plan to gain more muslim
votes just goes to show us all how the Dhimmi's
operate openly in front of our own eyes all the
time.The destruction of European society is all
but complete.

Posted by: sul3j at January 7, 2005 7:58 PM

They (Labour), the LibDems and Conversatives are a bloody disgrace. Trying to stay in (or get into) power by selling out your own people to the death-cult of Islam. This is treason and I just hope the Brits will wake up before it's too late. A friend of mine who lives in Ilford, Essex is trying to sell her flat because she wants to move to an Essex coastal-town. She said there aren't any muslims there because, that's her theory, muslims don't like the seaside. After the Tsunami I'm not surprised. Maybe the Muslims in the UK already know what to expect once the real God has had enough.

Posted by: disillusionised_german at January 7, 2005 8:03 PM

I just received this e-mail from a Christrian Reverend in England.

C:\My Documents\ISLAM-O'BrienandHoward1\ISLAM-O'BrienandHoward1.jpg

C:\My Documents\ISLAM-O'BrienandHoward1\ISLAM-O'BrienandHoward2.jpg

Politicians are such filthy hoes

Posted by: DCWatson at January 7, 2005 8:09 PM

Christian....sorry about that

Posted by: DCWatson at January 7, 2005 8:14 PM

True Brit, you're there, how bad is it with Islam over there across the pond? Where are the pub brawlers and hooligans? I don't want to see merry old England taken over by a horde of half-wits that still think the earth has edges.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 7, 2005 8:19 PM

I can tell you a bit about it, DC... I support a London Football Club which has been well-known for its Hooligan element in the 80's. These guys mainly wanted to fight - no matter who against. It was never political but just a means of proving that you're a man. Either these guys have grown out of it or they have been kicked out of the grounds because of their hooligan behaviour. You do get the occasional fight before or after a football match but London's East End especially if so much in the hand of Muslims that you can walk down a street for 30 minutes without coming across another white person.

Posted by: disillusionised_german at January 7, 2005 8:27 PM

The Reverenc Clifford has sent this e-mail to supporters about this very issue. I cant find the link to the article by Graeme Wilson from the UK Dail Mail he sent as a jpeg, but it was about this same issue.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003087.php

----------------------------------------------------------

FROM THE REVEREND CLIFFORD:

Dear Friends,

S H A M E L E S S
Labour's cynical bid to win back
the Muslim vote it lost over Iraq

So reads the front page of today's DAILY MAIL (see attachments for the
article).

This is the shameful reality of modern Britain. Here is the UK Left's
unholy alliance with Islam.

Let us who love our Christian heritage rise up and do our duty.

Yours faithfully in Christ,

Dr Alan C. Clifford

Feel free to send him your support.

cliffordNRC@compuserve.com

Posted by: Andrew at January 7, 2005 8:28 PM

disillusioned german

Das habe Ich auch einem andern Deutschen poster gesagte, er heisst "Nippon, aber vellicht ist es gut wenn du es auch kennst.

Bitte shau den weblog an. Er ist auf Deutsche und velleicht willst du ihn an dine Deutsche freundin forwarden. Der anderer weblog ist auf Holländisch mit einem Englischen Tiel. Er ist sehr interessant.

Shau dir es an.

Danke

http://www.schule.dk/islam/islam.htm

http://www.pim-fortuyn.nl/pfforum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=66

Posted by: Andrew at January 7, 2005 8:37 PM

DC

Thank Christ I don't live in a big town or city so although "their" prescence is in my small commumity it's hardly noticed, that's what's so damn frustrating, the silly buggers don't realise the major towns and cities are overrun, so while they haven't got em living next door, in the small villages like mine, they don't see the threat.
The media covers everything up or makes out it's us that are the problem, It may as well be happening on the moon as far as a lot are concerened. and well, what can I say about the footy hooligans and the pub brawlers.
I'm not a footy fan but I believe lots of the hooligans got their passports confiscated when overseas matches were playing a few years ago, (might have been a world or European cup or something) and the media and police really clamped down on them at home, so if they are still up to their shenanigans it's well hidden, but maybe not, because the way our media are, if it was still happening nothing would give them greater pleasure than slag off the Brits, it would be never off the screens and out of the press.
Pub brawling is alive and well but it's in the towns mainly. The binge drinking youth spill out onto the streets smashed out of their brains and start scrapping at the drop of a hat, we get to see that from cctv footage regularly aired on our TVs, and the women are as bad as the men.!!

I think if we had a couple of major incidents then the Brits I'm sure would either riot or Westminster would see the biggest demo's ever.
The dishonest and dumbed down media are the culprits, a lot more goes on than most ever get to hear about because it's many small incidents scattered all over the country and if it's reported at all, it's in local newspapers not the nationals, so anyone who wants to know has to really search for the stories to see how widespread it is, otherwise you only get a snapshot of the bigger picture.
There's been a couple of documentaries since the Bradford and Burnley riots which showed how there are "no go" areas in those towns, one clip that springs to mind was of a 70+ year old man getting half beaten to death by Pakistani muslims because he happened to stray into their no go area. They took over a whole municipal park and white's aren't allowed in. This is the sort of thing that's hushed up.
It makes me so damn angry when I see these jumped up, snotty little Pakistani's who haven't lived here more than 1 generation, having the GAll to tell British people they can't go into a park that was likely built by their granfathers. the sheer bloody AUDACITY makes me blind with rage!!!

Posted by: True Brit at January 7, 2005 9:44 PM

The appeal states:

"The reality is that the only way a Palestinian state will be created is if Israel is prepared to concede land it currently occupies on the West Bank and Gaza."

Oh, I see. In the moral reality in which the rest of the ( Judeo- Christian ) world occupies, the only way a Palestinian state will be created is if and when the Palestinians are prepared to stop murdering Jews and Israelis and come to understand that Israel right to exist in peace in the Middle East is not an issue open for debate.

However, in the Jew-hating world in which the British Labour party now occupies, murderous antisemitism is not only not questioned, but encouraged by the likes of British Energy Minister Mike O'Brien.

Posted by: MJ at January 7, 2005 10:13 PM

@ Andrew

I have used the http://www.schule.dk/islam/islam.htm URL on the forum of the German newspaper I usually (try and) post on, my friend. As usual nobody seems to bother but I will bombard them with that URL for the coming weeks. You need to re-discover your will to fight, mate. If we don't make a stance now our children will be slaves of the evil empire of islam and nobody can want that, right?

Posted by: disillusionised_german at January 7, 2005 11:08 PM

Yeah, groveling Labour party, you go ahead and "dream the same dream as Islam" (LOL!). Go ahead, go play with the fairies at the bottom of the garden. Tra la la la! Whore yourself for votes. Do whatever it takes to ensure your fancy salaries, perks and pensions. What do you care, when it all turns into a NIGHTMARE for the good people of the UK? The ones who actually pay the taxes to pay for your grand lifestyles and your grand "dreams" (should be: 'deranged fantasies').

Funny, but I don't believe I've heard of political parties asking if they can win over the Catholics, or the Jews, or the atheists, or the Druids. But you constantly see and hear so many examples of pathetic pollies going after the "Muslim vote". That's a bad sign. They wield far too much power, considering how little they contribute to the good of society. The world is so bass-ackwards.

Posted by: feralee at January 8, 2005 5:50 AM

Having visited London numerous times and making many long term British friends I found their attitudes so uninformed. Muslims are harmless fanatics that cannot amount to anything. Placate them and ignore them was the accepted thinking. Well when the muzzies are back dooring their children before selling them, raping mom before cutting off her head and making dad watch it all, it will be too late to realize that "killing infidels for allah" really was what they wanted to do. May they spend eternity in hell covered in pig feces.

Posted by: vulcan at January 8, 2005 6:45 AM

True Brit: "I think if we had a couple of major incidents then the Brits I'm sure would either riot or Westminster would see the biggest demo's ever."

I doubt it. "British" identity has been bred out the Anglo-Saxon population now. The “anti-racist” generation controls every branch of the government and media (I’m not suggesting anti-racism is a bad thing). If Muslims are allowed to keep practicing their polite form of racism, i.e. "Muslim brotherhood", the UK is ready to be conquered. Every year we let in another 250,000 “asylum seekers” to prove our anti-racist credentials and ask for nothing in return. White families are more likely to move out than speak out. I’ve noticed white-flight has accelerated in London in the last couple of years. House prices have peaked in London after a decade of rapid inflation, so the number of white families who cash-in and flee will probably double this year.

Posted by: 1630r at January 8, 2005 8:26 AM

We need more like Dr Clifford in the UK to point out the obvious in the main stream media. Tony Blair, not so smart move mate. Theres 1.6 million Muslims in the UK. That leaves 57 non-muslims. Ok lets do some very crude maths here, say 50% are on the left and 50% on the right. Lets also crudely presume that all those are on the left will not take a stand against the ideology of Islam and those on the right will. That leaves 26 million people who have the potentional to vote out the Labour party on this issue!!

Note to all outside the UK: Although the media as a whole has tendancy to left wing bias, this does not accurately refelect the political landscape. Again, very crude indicator of political inclination, but give a take a few percent either way depending on the circumstances of the poll, the nation was almost exactly split 50-50 over going to war in Iraq.

Though if the fervent left wing bias shown by The Mirror, The Guardian, The Independant was to go by, you would have never have guessed this wass the case.

I will never forget The Mirror screaming "Torture at Guantanmo Bay" - my god ! The poor terrorists! And what did they claim? Sleep deprivation & sensory deprivation. Damn! How gruesome, how barbaric, how mediaeval!! This was when the battle for Afghanistan was happening. Dhimmi media!

Posted by: freestar at January 8, 2005 8:48 AM

Much of the UK is already looking increasingly like a Middle East bazaar. You cannot go to a mall in East or North London without turning around to find yourself face-to-face or should I say -- eye-to-eye --- with a cloth sack pushing a pram.

I'm sure Tony Blair has read the Quran and I'm quite certain he fully grasps the implications of a British community composed of 30-40% Muslims. And that day is fast approaching. But Tony has his grand dream of becoming the first President of Europe, taking his place among the other elite in Brussels. By that time, he will no longer be responsible to the British citizenry and his role in signing and sealing the fate of liberal culture in the UK to a fanatical and triumphalist Islam will have been given a tidy tuck and facelift by the BBC, The Guardian, Le Monde, and other agencies who must placate their Arab/Muslim audiences and paymasters.

I for one, will not wait around for the day when all criticism of Islam is blotted out of The Telegraph or The Times for fear of reprisals by the Muslim Council of Britain or the Home Office. I will not stay to watch war memorials and Christmas decorations removed to avoid offending the local Muslim community. And I will not continue to pay 30% of my wages in taxes so the government can build a £3 million mosque for terrorists and provide £1,000 per week in housing benefits to their families.

Posted by: Charles Martel at January 8, 2005 11:55 AM

Idiotarian politicians like O'Brien and Labour's chief MEP Gary Titley make Neville Chamberlain and his famous 'little piece of paper' look like Churchill on steroids.

The Labour Party, which was set up to protect the rights of British working people, is now prepared to abandon and sacrifice the same working people in the interests of some unattainable mirage-like PC fantasy of blissful universal multi-culturalism.

This may be New Labour's dream, but it's a dream that muslims - in non-Taquiyyah mode - will never accept. Islam is 'to dominate and not be dominated.' Why can't Labour's happyclappy idealists grasp this simple fact from the horse's mouth?

Blair is alleged to have read the Koran. One wonders which sugar-coated version he read. Or did he just read a 5 page precis kindly provided by the Muslim Council of Britain, whose eternally smiling TV spokesman is clean-shaven and wears a smart suit and tie, and smilingly reminds his audience that muslims worship the same god as Christians and Jews (something vehemently denied on just about every islamist website that isn't purely for western consumption - just try making that claim in any muslim majority country and see the response!)

Ordinary people across Europe feel bewildered and betrayed by political elites begging for muslim votes like dogs whimpering for scraps of meat. What can we do about it?

We can start by organising into small groups of like-minded people and alerting our friends, families and neighbors to what's going on; we can put up stickers in public places with quotes from the 'true' voice of Islam: the Koran and Khoemeni and Abu Hamza and Bin Laden and other menacing hate-spewers (remember to put web adresses for JW and DW and similar sites on your stickers!)

And those in the UK can always send emails to Blair and O'Brien telling them we *were* going to vote for Labour, but since they're giving preferential treatment to the most intolerant and threatening ideology on earth, we will just have to cast a protest vote for some other party.

Posted by: Benelux at January 8, 2005 1:31 PM

Brit and German, thanks for the updates. I just have a soft spot in my heart for the pub brawlers, and even for the hooligans, as long as innocent people aren't their victims.

These are the people that need to know about Islam and its manipulative followers. I've suggested this to Reverand Clifford over there as well, as he and I converse about this problem on a fairly regular basis.

Start telling the Brits that they're gonna be forbidden from drinking, and that the pubs will be shut down if Islam ever takes over, and they'll likely be ready to do something about it before any of that happens.

Bring it to the streets, not to 10 Downing. I feel bad for Britain, they've been raped of their toughness and their traditions.

One of the greatest nations in history, one of the toughest nations in history, and one of the most intelligent nations in history appears to have a government that's selling its citizens out.

A true shame.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 8, 2005 10:22 PM

Here are 2 comments on this story: http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/000965.html and http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/archives/000974.html

Readers of this site might find Melanie Phillips' diary and articles interesting.

Posted by: philiph at January 9, 2005 5:28 AM

Philip

I've been reading Ms Philips articles for a few weeks now, I agree her work is interesting and she isn't afraid to call a spade a spade !
A good ally for the Brits

Posted by: True Brit at January 9, 2005 9:22 AM

Quick.Someone send Mike O'Brien a link to the British Islamist website that declares that voting is "haram" so he can see what some potential Muslim voters think about democracy and other western values.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 9, 2005 4:20 PM

The tragedy for the UK at this crucial juncture, is that there is really no political voice that is stating the danger we are in. We have no Daniel Pipes, Robert Spencer etal. There are not even voices in the political wilderness. All is silent. Britain is like a rabbit caught in the headlights, transfixed, as doom approaches.

The Conservatives under Howard are worse then Labour under Blair. Everytime I see Michael Howard, I cannot but recall Ann Widdecomb's remark about him.

We thus have no choice in the forthcoming elections. It is as if in the Presidential elections of 2004, Americans had no choice other then between John Kerry and Jimmy Carter. Yes. Ugh sums it up.

Meanwhile the BBC continues to sedate the population by caricaturing and defaming Christianity, while at the same time, propagandising about the sublime nature of islam.

Posted by: DP111 at January 9, 2005 4:29 PM

waterdragon

Yes I saw that a few days ago which makes it all a bit hypocritical being as there are muslim ministers and councillors all over the country and they have their own party with policies

http://www.islamicparty.com/policies/thepolicies.htm

Posted by: True Brit at January 9, 2005 4:34 PM

I suggest that a vote, which weighs in the balance the long-term implications for Muslims, is the right approach.

I suggest that O'Brien consider the long-term implications of an ever increasing muslim population in Britain. The nation that gave birth to modern civilisation is at stake, and O'Brien beleaves he is dreaming the same dreanm as muslims. Amazing. The muslim dreams of sharia in Britain.

Posted by: DP111 at January 9, 2005 4:41 PM

DP111
I agree with you
our only alternatives are UKIP or the BNP
The BNP got over 800,000 votes in the local elections last June and UKIP got a MEP elected.
I hate to say it but the BNP is the only party that is openly sounding the sirens.
I have spoken with a gentleman researcher at UKIP and he is fully aware of Islam and it's agenda, so is Kilroy Silk, but is not as open as the BNP. They all get such bad publicity it's hard for people to see the wood for the trees.

Posted by: True Brit at January 9, 2005 4:48 PM

Bugger the BNP they are head cases, they tell the truth about islam, but most people will not vote for them.

This is a letter I have just sent to my MP, I suggest everyone writes a similar one to theirs, write one to every political party, every one.

Dear Mr Hammond,

This is the first time in my life that I have ever written to an MP.
I am a resident of XXXXXXXX
The reason for this e mail is basically, but not only to express my absolute fury at the article written by that snivelling dog Mike O'Brien http://www.themuslimweekly.com/newspaper/viewfullstory.aspx?NewsID=NW00002041

How dare he sell out the interests of this country for votes and what are you and the Conservatives going to do about it ?

I am not Jewish/Christian or moslem. My father is sikh, my mother is hindu, my wife is christian.
I was born here, so was my wife, so were my children.

Religious tolerance is something I have always believed in. I also believe in Freedom of speech.
Why is a religion (islam) that is so intolerant being grovelled to by politicians in this country ?
Would you grovel to the BNP ?

The moslem community is keen to portray the impression that islam is a peaceful progressive religion that has been misinterpeted.

Recently we were all treated to the site of that odious individual nick griffin being arrested and released. His words "islam is a wicked and vicious faith" may have been offensive, however he was entitled to his opinion. However why did no one in the media or politics question his quotes from the koran ? (that rape of female non moslem prisoners is justified)
the verses he quoted were either true or not, if the truth offends then so be it.

The Editor of the Sunday Telegraph was recently condemmed because he said that mohammed could be described as a peadophile by some because of his marriage to aysha.
How old was mohammed when he married her ? how old was she ? He was 53 she was 6 years, he was 56 and she was 9 when he consummated the marriage , this is either true or it isn't, it was interesting how the moslem representative from mab didn't not deny this, he merely said it was offensive. ( I personally find Tony Blair and labour offensive).

I am obviously not a BNP supporter. But I am given to plain speaking. I work in IT, and will shortly be setting up my own business, my wife is a barrister, we are not stupid people.
We have been lied to and basically "pissed on" by labour for the past 8 years.
I worry for my children and their future, and to be honest if I could persuade my wife we would leave for the USA where this curse of politicall correctness is not so entrenched.If Turkey is allowed to join the EU, then we will.

Please, please do not be PC, islam is not a peaceful religion, do not pander to it. Will you or labour provide any special privilages to sikhs/christians/jews/hindu's/buddhists etc ?
Tax concessions for multiple wives ? Does the law of this country allow more that one wife ? NO, so why offer a tax consession for it ?

Do you want to allow special privilages for a religion that treats women as worth half of a man ?
That advocates the stoning to death of adulterers ? How many in your party or labour would survive ?
That advocates the murder of gays ?
That oppresses non moslems as dhimmis ?
That has committed genocide where ever it has encountered other beliefs.

Please do not be scared to critisise this religion, the allegation of racism is baseless.
If you want votes from minorities then seek out the sikhs/hindus/buddhist/jews/christians/gays/women.
Ask these groups of their experience of islam, how many sudanese christians have you the conservatives talked to ?

I have attached some links below which I sincerely hope you will visit and circulate.
http://www.jihadwatch.org

http://www.faithfreedom.org

http://www.secularislam.org/Default.htm

http://www.homa.org/

If you wish to win the next election, the Conservative party will have to be more aggressive, you will have to tell the plain truth and dispense with politicall correctness.
Why pander to this one faith ?
Where do you stand on islamic schools in the UK ?
what do you think of the murder of Theo Van Gough ?
Will you allow sharia law to be implemented within the moslem community in the UK ?

This silly invented word islamophobia is meaningless, a phobia is an irrational fear, there is nothing irrational in my (and others) fear and contempt for that religion, I know what I am talking about
Have you ever read the koran ?
if not do so, cross reference any quotes from the above sites and then ask your self what islamophobia is.

The people of this country are not stupid, and if politicans continue to treat them as such they will drift to complete lunatics like the BNP.

There is nothing wrong with plain truthful speaking.

Regards

XXXXXXX

Posted by: apostate_islam at January 10, 2005 12:32 PM

For all non-Brits reading this, who have an interest in the UK, I would urge them to read the “Rivers of Blood” speech given Enoch Powell in April 1968. Before his death I used to think he was just a clever fascist, but now reading his speeches I think he may have been a remarkable visionary. I have given a few excerpts below.
As he was an old servant of the Empire, he might have been slightly soft of the Muslims (the Muslims in India helped the British oppress the Congress Party in the 30’s and 40’s and supported the war effort in exchange for a Muslim homeland “Pakistan” and he probably thought that the British liberation of the Arabs under the Ottoman Empire and its struggle against the foundation of Israel would not be forgotten by them) so he never singles them out as a community, although I am sure he would if he were alive today.
The thrust of his message seems to be directed against black people in general, which is distasteful (especially considering the shining example given by such gentlemen as "apostate islam" and thousands like him) but if we can rise above this colour issue, we find that all of what he predicted came to pass - at least as far as the Muslim intake was concerned: riots, a lack of integration, sedition against the state and the general loss of social cohesion caused by ghettos and multiculturalism.
What is most disturbing is that he was 100% accurate with his figures, which bodes ill for us, when we speak of France becoming a Muslim country within 50 years etc. I would dearly love this to be BS, unfortunately the statisticians are no fools even though our politicians are.

…………………………………………………………………………

APRIL 1968

In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office. There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.
As time goes on, the proportion of this total who are immigrant descendants, those born in England, who arrived here by exactly the same route as the rest of us, will rapidly increase. Already by 1985 the native-born would constitute the majority.
The natural and rational first question with a nation confronted by such a prospect is to ask: "How can its dimensions he reduced?" Granted it be not wholly preventable, can it be limited, bearing in mind that numbers are of the essence: the significance and consequences of an alien element introduced into a country or population are profoundly different according to whether that element is 1 per cent or 10 per cent. The answers to the simple and rational question are equally simple and rational: by stopping, or virtually stopping, further inflow, and by promoting the maximum outflow. Both answers are part of the official policy of the Conservative Party.
It almost passes belief that at this moment 20 or 30 additional immigrant children are arriving from overseas in Wolverhampton alone every week - and that means 15 or 20 additional families a decade or two hence. Those whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. We must be mad, literally mad, as a nation to be permitting the annual inflow of some 50,000 dependants, who are for the most part the material of the future growth of the immigrant-descended population. It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre. So insane are we that we actually permit unmarried persons to immigrate for the purpose of founding a family with spouses and fiances whom they have never seen. Let no one suppose that the flow of dependants will automatically tail off. On the contrary, even at the present admission rate of only 5,000 a year by voucher, there is sufficient for a further 25,000 dependants per annum ad infinitum, without taking into account the huge reservoir of existing relations in this country – and I am making no allowance at all for fraudulent

Nothing is more misleading than comparison between the Commonwealth immigrant in Britain and the American negro. The negro population of the United States, which was already in existence before the United States became a nation, started literally as slaves and were later given the franchise and other rights of citizenship, to the exercise of which they have only gradually and still incompletely come. The Commonwealth immigrant came to Britain as a full citizen, to a country which knew no discrimination between one citizen and another, and he entered instantly into the possession of the rights of every citizen, from the vote to free treatment under the National Health Service.

The other dangerous delusion from which those who are wilfully or otherwise blind to realities suffer, is summed up in the word "integration". To be integrated into a population means to become for all practical purposes indistinguishable from its other members. Now, at all times, where there are marked physical differences, especially of colour, integration is difficult though, over a period, not impossible. There are among the Commonwealth immigrants who have come to live here in the last 15 years many thousands whose wish and purpose is to be integrated and whose every thought and endeavour is bent in that direction. But to imagine that such a thing enters the heads of a great and growing majority of immigrants and their descendants is a ludicrous misconception, and a dangerous one.

For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrator communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood". That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century. Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal.

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Posted by: Timbo at January 10, 2005 11:55 PM

What makes me so mad about this is this bill to protect Islam against being criticised. Well its a system of government that its followers want to apply to the UK and as such is against all our principals of freedom and respect for others, if you are not a Muslim you are NOTHING!! Therefore Labour is putting forward a bill to prevent us from talking about a political movement, which is a complete and utter erosion of our freedom of speach.

The PC crowd have managed to mug the population, however people are now at last becoming aware of the threat, there is more and more discussion in those towns and villages, people shake their heads with dis-belief how these people preaching hatred and killing can get away with it while when we try to stand up we have our own laws turned against us.

As for me, I did not vote in the last three general elections, but I will in the next and it will not be for politicians who are letting the Islamics destroy our freedom.

As for the Conservatives they will not speak for fear of being labelled racists, but I hope, and I do hope that once they are in power they will take the steps necessary to defeat this most horrible religions attempt to take control.

Posted by: Daffersd at January 14, 2005 11:19 AM