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January 18, 2005

Anger at Muslim schools attack

More of the predictable reaction from Muslim groups to David Bell's observations. From The Guardian, with thanks to Sir Percy:

The head of the government's education watchdog prompted an angry reaction from Muslim leaders yesterday after claiming that the growth of Islamic faith schools posed a challenge to the coherence of British society.

In a deliberate intervention criticised as "irresponsible" and "derogatory" by senior Muslim representatives, the chief inspector of schools David Bell claimed that a traditional Islamic education did not equip Muslim children for living in modern Britain.

Diversity and acceptance of different cultures was potentially a great strength, Mr Bell claimed, but it could also undermine "our coherence as a nation" if taken to extremes.

Mr Bell used a speech about citizenship to the Hansard Society - an educational charity which promotes effective parliamentary democracy - to explore how youngsters determine their "national identity" through the teaching of citizenship in schools. He turned to the fast-growing independent faith school sector - which includes about 100 Muslim, 100 evangelical Christian and 50 Jewish schools, broadening his argument to say: "Faith should not be blind. I worry that many young people are being educated in faith-based schools, with little appreciation of their wider responsibilities and obligations to British society."

The new figures on independent faith schools are contained in Ofsted's new annual report, which will be published early next month and which will say that many Muslim schools "must adapt their curriculum to ensure that [they provide] pupils with a broad general knowledge of public institutions and services in England and help them to acquire an appreciation of and respect for other cultures in a way that promotes tolerance and harmony".

Mr Bell said: "The growth in faith schools needs to be carefully but sensitively monitored by government to ensure that pupils at all schools receive an understanding of not only their own faith but of other faiths and the wider tenets of British society. We must not allow our recognition of diversity to become apathy in the face of any challenge to our coherence as a nation ... I would go further and say that an awareness of our common heritage as British citizens, equal under the law, should enable us to assert with confidence that we are intolerant of intolerance, illiberalism and attitudes and values that demean the place of certain sections of our community, be they women or people living in non-traditional relationships."...

In his speech Mr Bell said that "traditional Islamic education does not entirely fit pupils for their lives as Muslims in modern Britain". He also warned that diversity should not be interpreted as separation or segregation.

Last night Dr Mohamed Mukadam, chairman of the Association of Muslim Schools, accused Mr Bell of Islamophobia and challenged him to a public debate on the issue. Mr Mukadam, who is also principal of Leicester Islamic Academy, which has 700 pupils aged five to 16, said: "I am very surprised to hear Mr Bell's comments and I challenge him to come up with evidence that Muslim schools are not preparing young people for life in British society. It's a misconception of Islamic schools and a further example of Islamophobia. For a person in his position to make such a generalised comment just beggars belief."

Iqbal Sacranie, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: "The issue of community cohesion and coherence is of paramount importance for the whole nation but we consider it highly irresponsible to suggest that the growth of Muslim faith schools poses a threat to 'our coherence as a nation'. The issue around schools not adequately fulfilling their responsibility in preparing children for their wider responsibility is a generic issue affecting all poorly resourced schools." At present there are more than 100 Muslim schools, teaching the equivalent of about 3% of Muslim children, but only five of them receive state funding.

Dr Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of Birmingham's Central Mosque, said: "Muslims schools do not harm social cohesion and neither do Jewish or Christian schools. Why he is picking up on Muslim schools I do not understand. Why would teaching children the principles of their faith affect community cohesion? It's unfortunate that he has made these comments."

Well, the obvious answer to this question is the nature of those principles themselves. Judaism and Christianity do not foster the same contempt for unbelievers and their society that Islam does. Judaism and Christianity do not teach that the state must be overthrown and religious law instituted when this becomes possible. Can Dr. Naseem guarantee that no Muslims in Britain want to do this? Or that none of the principles that lead to such a desire are taught in Muslim schools in Britain?

I thought not.

Posted by Robert at January 18, 2005 8:06 AM
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Posted by: unicorns62000 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 8:26 AM

Investigate the curricula. If Muslim schools are a Koran-based curricula with little or no offerings in academics and practical arts they are for the purpose of creating a class that expects to live off the dole, a disguised jizya.

Posted by: epg [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 8:41 AM

Dr Mohammad Naseem, the chairman of Birmingham's Central Mosque, said: "Muslims schools do not harm social cohesion and neither do Jewish or Christian schools. Why he is picking up on Muslim schools I do not understand. Why would teaching children the principles of their faith affect community cohesion? It's unfortunate that he has made these comments."

Maybe it's because there aren't any Jewish or Christian religious leaders exhorting adherents to perpetrate acts of violence against "non-believers" in the name of their God and a concern that what is being shreiked in the mosques is being repeated in the classroom.

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 12:45 PM

It is obvious that Mr. David Bell doesn't realize that everything a person needs to live a fulfilling life is already accessible through the Holy Qur'an.

A one book world makes life a whole lot simpler. Especially, for the imams and mullah-f*ckers.

Posted by: Moe's Foe [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 12:59 PM

OT:
"The Islamists' Favorite Brits"
By Melanie Phillips

The Labour Party engages in anti-Semitic demagoguery to win the Muslim vote.

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=16653

Posted by: Mike [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 3:13 PM

We have heard all of this stuff about Islamic schools with vehement denials without anybody producing any evidence, pro or con. I would like to see Jihad Watch examine some textbooks typically used by Islamic schools in Britain and the U.S. and analyze their content.

Posted by: bgordon [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 3:45 PM

"Muslims schools do not harm social cohesion and neither do Jewish or Christian schools."

Christianity and Judaism are an ancient part of British culture; of course they don't harm social cohesion! They are part and parcel of British life. They are social cohesion! Islam is apart from, not a part of, British culture. Islam is a hostile and alien creed, an upstart newcomer, that by its very nature is causing hate and division. How dare he say that Muslim schools have the same social position in Great Britain as Christian schools - where the hell does he think he is, Karachi?

David Bell... a TRUE socialist.

Posted by: Timbo [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 9:45 PM

Islamophobia! Islamophobia!
Racist! Racist!

There, that settles the debate.

Islam wins again.

Restored Caliphate 1; England - 0.

Next...

Posted by: profitsbeard [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 18, 2005 11:16 PM

Timbo:

Read the piece again. Bell is raising a clarion call -- concerned about the values being taught in Islamic schools being in opposition to Britain's tolerance and liberalism and hence, not preparing its students to make positive contributions to British society.

Posted by: waterdragon52 [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 19, 2005 9:37 AM

I think that the schools shoud not be accredited so that any graduates will not be able to use any education, from grade school to uni level as a valid proof of education.

Posted by: Atomic Master [TypeKey Profile Page] at January 19, 2005 7:32 PM

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