Grab your torches and pitchforks and demand his removal. He sweetnes the pot for the Moslems by pandering and promising participation "at the highest levels".

They should be praying Moslems NEVER reach the highest levels of their government.

Posted by: Andrew at January 20, 2005 7:48 AM

Oh Dear!
Let's break this down;-

The integrity of the family,- their own limited family, admitted an extended family, similar at first glance to the extended working class families of aunties and cousins too numerous to mention. But outside that family? Forget it! They even marry their cousins, but on the Mothers side only because "your blood comes from your father" as I was once told.

A respect for the wisdom of tradition; - their tradition, not mine. Not the tradition of free speech, dry, frequently black humour, freedom of religion, etc.

An opposition to the drugs culture, - they run the trade in some areas. Where does the very name hashish come from?

Social breakdown and crime; - but not Trial by jury and sentences designed to rehabilitate. Stoning and severing for preference.

A belief in the importance of compassion and the need to help the vulnerable:- Zackat for Moslems only, see the recent posts here about Banda Aceh for examples.

A commitment to enterprise, hard work and individual ambition;- All initiative stifled, no science except that in the Koran, all activities subsumed unto the Umma.

Asian immigrants do work so hard, run invaluable corner shops, do well at school, are caring doctors, their efforts reflect on the whole community. And many of these are Moslems. But please do not let the fine work of Hindu, Sikh, Jain and Christian Asians blind you to the agenda hidden amongst the good.

Andrew, you beat me to it.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 20, 2005 8:08 AM

Well, since Labor is already out of the picture, he just assured the UK Independence Party and probably the British National Party their best elections ever. Congratulations, Howard.

Posted by: Ali Dashti at January 20, 2005 8:11 AM

We are under no obligation to dismantle our culture, heritage tradition and history for any other group. I think this uniquely Western creation -- multiculturalism -- will lead to our eventual destruction.

No other countries on this planet are as busy as Europe and America at importing tremendous numbers of Third Worlders at the expense of their own identity. Immigration should be a privildge, not a right and the numbers must be drastically reduced or the new national identity which emerges from the strongest most driven group will assert a great intolerance towards the former majority population.

Posted by: Andrew at January 20, 2005 9:13 AM

Granny and Andrew:

Like Canada, I'm sure Britain has also a population of Muslims who are hard-working, decent citizens with no interest in jihadism. But they probably arrived in earlier waves of immigration (1960 - 1980) for the express purpose of bettering their lives, rather than looking to the social welfare systems both of these countries have as a means to subsidize and spread their Muslim fundamentalist "way of life".

It will be some time before we get enough of a grip on things to know how much of what we are seeing now is the product of oil revenues being spent to further Wahhabi and Shia fundamentalism by the two rivals, but I do wonder if this is why the Saudis started throwing pots of money into the building of fundamentalist mosques and maddrassahs around the world -- to be the dominant force rather than ceding their "defenders of the faith" status to the hated Shia theocrats in Iran.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 20, 2005 9:38 AM

Waterdragon52:

I'm sure Britain has also a population of Muslims who are hard-working, decent citizens with no interest in jihadism. But they probably arrived in earlier waves of immigration (1960 - 1980) for the express purpose of bettering their lives, rather than looking to the social welfare systems both of these countries have as a means to subsidize and spread their Muslim fundamentalist "way of life".

I think you're right - when the first wave of Muslim immigrants came over there was not the same culture of political correctness and welfare cushioning that there is now. Those Muslims tended to work hard to fit in and make a go of things.

The later generations of Muslims take Western freedom and tolerance for granted and try to impose their agenda.

Posted by: Interestd at January 20, 2005 10:48 AM

This "family values" stuff about Muslims is becoming a staple of their "we have so much in common" appeal.

But Mussolini was full of "family values." Paid vacations for workers. Bonuses for large families.

Even more so Hitler. Think of all those decadent paintings by George Grosz and Ernst Kirchner and others that were banned. Instead, nice wholesome pictures of blond German youth, well-muscled, eyes right, looking forward to the glorious future of the Reich. Women, if not always barefoot and pregnant, breeding for that Reich --just as so many Muslims overbreed today (compare the birthrates in Muslim countries, or of Muslims and non-Muslims in Infidel lands), often quite consciously in order to raise the percentage of Muslims in the population.

The "family values" mean nothing. Being "law-abiding" if the laws you obey are ONLY those that do not conflict with Islam -- in which case they will not be obeyed -- means nothing.

In World War II, as A. J. Liebling noted in his report from North Africa, "Molly," some of those who joined the Free French had been small-time gangsters, Pepe-le-Moko types, in Algeria. During World War II Lucky Luciano reportedly helped to keep the ports in Sicily and Calabria, through his connections, safe for American invaders. While some fine family-values man -- say, Fritz Kuhn of the German-American Bund -- who wore a tie, and a shirt, and didn't smoke reefers, was a traitor, and jailed.

Howard has turned out to be a complete fool. And his foolishness is so perfect, so classic, so thoroughly nincompoopish, that in a way he serves a purpose. There is, at the moment, no one in English public life who seems able to describe Islam for what it is -- a kind of Ur-fascism. And like the Fascists, many Muslims are family-valued oriented, all right -- as long as the families they orient towards are Muslims.

But as for the rest of us, we Infidels, well that is a different matter.

I'll take the supposedly decadent West over the most fine, upstanding, cleancut Muslim cleric, or True Believer, any day.

Pongame una cerveza, por favor. Beulah, peel me a grape. Gif me a viskey, ginger ale on the side, and don't be stingy, baby.

Posted by: Hugh at January 20, 2005 10:49 AM

Waterdragon52
I think you have made a good point.

Most of the Asian girls I went to school with in the late 60s early 70s were born in Kenya and Uganda. It was hard then for us to distinguish Hindu from Sikh from Moslem (unless Dad had a smart beard and turban, which was a bit of a clue) not just because of our unfamiliarity with the cultures but because they were more of a community with each other. There was no hijab and jilbab, some wore plain trousers under normal school skirt or gymslip, shalwar kameez and wisp of chiffon scarf round the neck (not head) out of school, sari for special occasions. They were very proud of their British passports.

It all seemed to start to change, to my outsiders eye, around the time of the return to Iran of the Ayatolla Khomeni.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 20, 2005 10:55 AM

They contribute alright.

Posted by: DCWatson at January 20, 2005 11:23 AM

Granny Weatherwax,

Yes, maybe JW commenters had reported traveling through places like Indonesia, Malaysia, etc. twenty or thirty years ago and seeing very little in the way of hijab, burqua, etc.; but returning recently and seeing such signs of oppression everywhere. The local jihadis everywhere were emboldened by the takeover of Iran, but remember the main source of their funding: Saudi Arabia.

Gary, please take heed: Hugh says, "Even more so Hitler. Think of all those decadent paintings by George Grosz and Ernst Kirchner and others that were banned. Instead, nice wholesome pictures of blond German youth, well-muscled, eyes right, looking forward to the glorious future of the Reich. Women, if not always barefoot and pregnant, breeding for that Reich...

What a second.... the title of this article reads "Conservative party leader praises Muslim contribution to British life"???

(faints)

Posted by: kj at January 20, 2005 12:25 PM

Oh dear, I sense a bidding war coming on. First, Labour agrees to amend the tax code to make it more sharia-friendly for those with multiple wives and enlists one of its MPs to write a pro-Palestinian manifesto; then the Conservatives counter with a proposal for a symbiotic Tory-Islamic cultural awareness programme. Soon, the parties will be falling over one another to see who can be the first to install a pair of crossed scimitars on the Union Jack.

Posted by: Charles Martel at January 20, 2005 12:43 PM

It all seemed to start to change, to my outsiders eye, around the time of the return to Iran of the Ayatolla Khomeni.

Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at January 20, 2005 10:55 AM

Yes, and that may also be about the same time the Saudi nobility started spending their oil wealthy like crazy to support Wahhabism. (The Iranian Islamic revolution was around '78 or '79 wasn't it?)

Somehow, I don't think the Saudis shelled out either out of piety (OBL and his ilk denounce the SA nobles for all sorts of religious transgressions) or charitability, but rather to maintain SA as the "defenders of the [Islamic] faith" status rather than see this fall to the hated Persian Shia.

Maybe more recently arrived Muslims come with a sense of entitlement, but I think it's been carefully cultivated in them before they left and continually nurtured in them after they land.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at January 20, 2005 12:57 PM

Check out this photo gallery from the Student Movement Coordination Committee for Democracy in Iran - it's definitely worth a bookmark:

http://www.daneshjoo.org/article/publish/cat_photogallery.shtml

Shari'a anyone?

Posted by: Mike at January 20, 2005 1:34 PM

I didn't see anything in Michael Howard's statements about this "immense" contribution:

http://www.theinsider.org/terrorism.asp

Posted by: Mike at January 20, 2005 1:38 PM

Am reading a book about the Balkans 'Minorities and States in Conflict' written by Hugh Poulton.
It is noticeable that Slovenia with 90% ethnic Slovenes has the highest standard of living of Post Yugoslavia States and the least problems...
Albania with its high birthrate [muslims] causes problems pushing into Christian areas and outbreeding everyone else, something which Dhimmi Howard and rest of fools in Britain should have taken note of. So far Albania has produced nothing except criminal gangs and poverty and extra Albanians [not wanted by anyone ] - believe crime is so bad in Britain with Albanians that a special force had be set up to tackle terrorizing
gangs of Albanian Thugs in the U.K.
Since when has the ordinary Briton agreed to give over their land, rights, heritage, culture to
Islam?? FIGHT FOR YOUR RIGHTS BRITS WHILE YOU'VE STILL GOT SOME LAND TO CALL YOUR OWN.
Best thing that could happen is Terrorists bomb Westminster Parliament. Present lot of British Politicians are as much use - to put it crudely -
'As tits on a Bull!'

Posted by: Morgane at January 20, 2005 5:34 PM

Waterdragon, Granny Weatherwax: And many of these are Moslems.

Some of them are muslims.
Recent surveys show that muslims are at the bottom of every level of attainment. According to Theodore Dalyrimple, a doctor who works in prisons, Muslims also make up a very large proportion of inmates in HM prisons, and with hardly any Sikhs or Hindus in prison.

Muslim youth are running around with no aims in life, thus susceptible to the call of jihad, and for this reason, the government is considering special incentives to help young muslim men.

Oh yes Mr Howard, muslims are indeed making a very valuable contribution to the UK.

Posted by: DP111 at January 20, 2005 6:48 PM

"Valuable contribution"

A few questions if I may….

What???? When????? Where????? How?????

PC politicians ram this irritating phrase down our throats a thousand times. I wish one of them would just give us a few details, because I would really love to know more. In fact, I'm all ears.

Riots in the north of England - bomb makers in the south - anti-British Islamist sedition all over the island – millions upon millions of pounds spent keeping an eye on this “enemy within” - if this makes for a "valuable contribution" then God save us from any “below average” community. Who do these Conservative syphilitic baboons think they’re fooling? No wonder nobody votes for them.

Tell me when one British Muslim did anything good for the UK? The best they can come up with is that they are "law abiding and pay their taxes" [debatable anyway] - so what! That's a minimum requirement, not a valuable contribution. They may say that many have businesses perhaps? So what! Some of them get rich doing business in the world's 4th largest economy, and for that we owe them something??? Most small Asian businesses only employ other Asians anyway – Muslim or otherwise. Or perhaps is it that they enrich us with their culture? Well, according to their religion they are not even supposed to befriend non-Muslims. They never marry into other cultures, they form ghettos and are a very closed community, so if they do have anything to offer, the average Brit on the street certainly does not see any of it.

Liberals, Socialists, Conservatives… they’re all talking the same dhimi language.
Guy Fawkes, where are you now your country needs you!

Posted by: Timbo at January 25, 2005 11:25 AM