One thing I hate about being part of Europe, unlike the Americans were not allowed to be patriotic.

Lest we end up being labelled racist. Any flag flying is sooo obviously a racist intent. Thats one thing us Europeans are jealous of (and we are fighting this, trying to change it) is patriotism.

The fact that it is in response to the Islamofacists is even more irritating.

** No Surrender to the Head Hackers **

Posted by: freestar at February 4, 2005 8:14 AM

The same thing has already happened in Sweden. Two Swedish girls were sent home from school by their headmaster for the crime of showing up wearing sweaters that showed some tiny Swedish flags. (Flag = Nationalism = Racism = Nazism, according to Leftist, Multicultural logic).

Posted by: Ali Dashti at February 4, 2005 8:16 AM

This exposes the insincerity of multiculturalism in that if we are supposed to celebrate diversity why can't we include the host culture?

It shows the true motive of the multiculturalists is the dismantle customs and traditions which typically wiegh against totalitarian takeover and transformation.

Posted by: Elephant at February 4, 2005 8:32 AM

Holland, but much of Europe actually, has developed a servere case of nationalistphobia: every expression of pride and sense achievement will be criticised by the leftist population as being 'dangerous.' On the other hand, our moslim brothers and sisters happily continue with chauvinist behaviour and spout their moslim identity wherever and whenever they please.

The islamisation of Holland remains perfectly on shedule.

Posted by: Jan Vink at February 4, 2005 8:42 AM

Holland, but much of Europe actually, has developed a servere case of nationalistphobia: every expression of pride and sense achievement will be criticised by the leftist population as being 'dangerous.' On the other hand, our moslim brothers and sisters happily continue with chauvinist behaviour and spout their moslim identity wherever and whenever they please.

The islamisation of Holland remains perfectly on schedule.

Posted by: Jan Vink at February 4, 2005 8:42 AM

Holland and Sweden has practiced tolerance so rigidly, that they've lost their culture to a band of illiterate midgets.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 4, 2005 8:45 AM

Midgets???

Otherwise agree with you.

Flags aren't racist - during the world cup Asians (= Indian subcontinent for you Americans)wore or displayed the England flag. Much good it did us though.

Don't know if they were Muslim though, as football may be haram.

Posted by: Interestd at February 4, 2005 8:49 AM

An article on this, in English, on this site (scroll down to 'Dutch Flag Prohibited', Feb 01:

http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Silvester at February 4, 2005 9:14 AM

Not to worry. Kj and the multi-kultis in the US are rapidly working to get the US flag out of schools and other places as well. Paving the path for the Caliphate... interesting! First time I noticed it ends with 'hate'.

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 9:20 AM

Robert Spencer, the Dutch article does not say: "In the Netherlands the national flag is now banned on *most* schools."

The article says: "In the Netherlands the national flag is banned on *more* schools."

I'm pretty sure most schools don't ban the Dutch flag, since most schools are Christian and they are more patriotic. Anyhow, fact is the Dutch flag is under attack and it is easier in the Netherlands to wear a Moroccan or Turkish flag than a Dutch one.

Posted by: Nordthiad at February 4, 2005 9:57 AM

Please tell me you're kidding?

PLEASE - this is another plastic doll story isn't it?

The Dutch ban their own flag because of Muslims?

What, you're serious?

Posted by: Timbo at February 4, 2005 9:57 AM

Another excellent tool that Islam uses to advance its agenda, right under the noses of the poor "sheeple" who believe that everyone is motivated by the same group hug mentality towards humanity.

The wake up call to this stupidity will most likely come in the form of a big "bang".

Moose

Posted by: Moose at February 4, 2005 10:15 AM

Not to worry. Kj and the multi-kultis in the US are rapidly working to get the US flag out of schools and other places as well.

Hey Gary. In the words of Dick Cheney, "G.F.Y."

Not to worry. Gary and the biblethumpers are rapidly working to get "god" into the schools and other places as well.... like the women's health clinics, the science labs, the hospitals, the courtrooms, the museums, the tv shows and movies, etc. All paid for with OUR tax dollars, of course. But don't worry. Gary and Bush both agree: they know what's best for everyone. Their God, their phony religion, their so-called ethics, their definition of "marriage", their definition of "decency", their definition of "freedom" and "art"... their way.

Funny that Gary likes to spout off about his "patriotism" and love of country, but keeps citizenship in the most liberal, secular, socialist nation in our hemisphere: Canada. I wonder why? Gary, have you served in the US military? How old are you? Are you a draftdodger? Did you run to Canada to avoid 'Nam, for the socialized medicine, for the right of gay marriage, or for the legalized pot?

Multiculturalism IS good. So is tolerance. The problem with allowing Islam to exist in a multicultural society is that Islam itself is neither multicultural, nor tolerant. So I am all for keeping Islam, the KKK, and the McVeigh wing of the GOP out of our multicultural society.

As for "paving the way for the CalipHate," if the mobots take over here I can always go to Canada, eh Gary?

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 10:51 AM

Keith, I agree that tolerance is good. But how do you figure that multiculturalism is good? Good for what? Why is it good? What makes it good?

You're a taxpayer, so is it alright with you that in your own homeland, those from other cultures can live here without paying taxes for the first what, 5-7 years they live here? It's ok with you that they can get a small business loan when fellow Americans cannot? Or how about the illegal aliens who come here and jump on our welfare system?

Multiculturalism does the economy no good, especially when it comes to the wall jumpers, who cost all of us 20 billion a year in social services, not to mention the 16 billion a year they send back to Mexico instead of spending here. All of it money they make here illegally, because they're not supposed to be here in the first place.

Back to Islam being incapable of co-existing with any culture, on that, you've hit the nail on the head. Now, is it possible for the GOP and the DEMS to agree that both have had a hand in screwing this country's priorities up? After all, Bush wants to passify Mexicans, and Slick Willie is the one who brought in all of these Somalians.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 4, 2005 11:12 AM

'Multiculturalism IS good. So is tolerance. The problem with allowing Islam to exist in a multicultural society is that Islam itself is neither multicultural, nor tolerant. So I am all for keeping Islam, the KKK, and the McVeigh wing of the GOP out of our multicultural society.' ~kj

I know you won't believe it (and more than likely, will Lie about it), but I do agree with most all of that statement.

Of course it is well known by now that McVeigh was tainted by islam, so I don't see how he was any part of the GOP.

My problem is with the bigotry, racism and narrow-mindedness of the people who are currently teaching and pushing multiculturalism in the country I call Home:

Leftist racism
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=3689

http://michellemalkin.com/archives/000859.htm

http://www.spymac.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=140691

Leftist Bigotry
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3444

http://www.israellycool.com/blog/BlogArchivesMoveableType/_archives/2004/1/18

http://eddriscoll.com/archives/003709.php

leftist (multicultural) support for islam in the schools:
http://humphrys.humanists.net/left.islamic.html

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicstrategy.shtml

http://weblogs.therightsociety.com/judsoncox/

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 11:17 AM

*stops back for a moment* As I said earlier, kj, I was 13 when your god kerry was defaming tens of thousands of Vietname Vets before congress. I am up here because my wife stood a better chance of finding the job that suited her desires: Stream Reconstruction. But as I expected, you only know what you want to believe, not what is reality. Not to mention many of your bigoted brethern (several hundred thousand) also live in Canada, while voting for losers in the US.

http://www.historytextbooks.org/islam.htm

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 11:42 AM

You all interested in knowing the opinion of many Europeans on themselves, me included, have a look at this page:

http://www.strangecosmos.com/content/item/105389.html

Posted by: Cid Campeador at February 4, 2005 11:53 AM

I can confirm Jan Vink's observations. I was discussing the van Gogh murder with some Dutch nationals not long ago and they seemed more concerned about nationalism than Islamic jihadism. I got the impression they felt Theo got what he had coming.
One of my biggest concerns for Holland is that it is going to develop the same kind of suicidal amnesia that way too many Americans have developed since 9/11.

Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 11:54 AM

kj,

Canada is far more PC than you understand. The murder of that Coptic family was not reported there. Islamofacism is an unknown word. I have friends there, and they understand the problem.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at February 4, 2005 11:56 AM

Cid-
I regret to report that a large segment of American society is also guilty of such ignorance and appeasement. Furthermore, we have a romantic penchant for isolationism (which should have been shattered on 9/11) that aggravates this problem. It's no mystery why the Dabashis and Churchills in our country enjoy a sympathetic audience and tenure at some of our nation's centers of learning/propaganda.

Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 12:02 PM

@ DCWatson: the costs of multiculturalism are indeed very high, but it seems governments are to frightened to turn down the expensive forms of immigration. In the Netherlands and Europe immigration did cost a lot of money, but the EU and the industry still want to stimulate more immigration to Europe. Whereas the United States will pay a great price for the Mexican immigrants, Europe will pay a same price for immigrants from the Middle-East and North-Africa. An interesting fact concerning the costs of immigration in Holland is written in the book Binnen Zonder Kloppen* by the Dutch economist Pieter Lakeman. He calculated that the immigration to the Netherlands did cost the country around 35 billion euro in total. If you compare the GDP of the Netherlands with the US it’s GDP, you can imagine how high those costs are for a small country as the Netherlands. The countries in the West need to find a new balance in tolerance, multiculturalism and the protecting it’s own culture and civilization.

* ‘binnen zonder kloppen’ is a Dutch proverb, that can be freely translated as ‘entering without asking’.

Posted by: Nordthiad at February 4, 2005 12:08 PM

For the Netherlands:

Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Ben ik van Duytschen Bloet
De Conningk van Hispanie...etc.

For kj: since when was late and unlamented Timothy McVeigh an honorable member of the Republican Party? I'll concede this if you admit that the equally late and unlamented Gus Hall (nee Hallberg; for he was of Finnish heritage, and "Americanized" his name on Papa Stalin's orders) was a good Democrat.

If you are speaking of us Evangelicals, just for the record, we do believe that it's for governments, not vigilantes or self-proclaimed avengers, to punish evil-doing. It's also in our book that we abstain from private vengeance.

Also, as for God in the schools, the reason why your civilization didn't take the path towards centralized, bureaucracy-supported imperium that EVERY other major civilization in the planet's history took was because we Bible-thumpers in Geneva, the Low Countries, Emden, and Britain (Puritans) declared at the key time that monarchs are subject to law and the consent of the governed. I refer you to Buchanan's _De Jure Regni Apud Scotos_, John Knox's treatises gathered in _On Rebellion_; Theodore Beza's _Droit du Magistrats_; Junius Brutus' _Vindiciae Contra Tyrannos_; Johannes Althusius' _De Politica_; Samuel Rutherford's _Lex Rex_, etc. All were written before 1650, by the way. As for your vaunted "rationalistic" enlightenement, its great Voltaire was chummy with the disgusting tyrant Fritz der Grossen of Prussia.

There is a part of me that believes that our civilization is being plagued by this furor Islamicus because it boasts of liberty and reason while denying the author of both. AND I can't help but note that many of the Islamic goons take their more immediate ideological and organizational inspiration from 20th century totalitarians such as Mao and Stalin.

Posted by: Kepha1 at February 4, 2005 12:14 PM

OT:
Attention all Yankees
NIHAD AWAD ALERT

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MARINES_COMMENTS?SITE=VARIT&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Excerpts:
A Marine Corps general with battle awards is being counseled to watch his words more carefully after publicly observing that "it's fun to shoot some people...
According to an audio recording, Mattis had said, "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know, it's a hell of a hoot. ... It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling.
He added, "You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil. You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them...

The Council on American-Islamic Relations, a Muslim civil liberties group, called on the Pentagon to discipline Mattis for the remarks.
"We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event," said the council's executive director, Nihad Awad. "These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life."

Oh, and Nihad Awad, Mr. "I am a supporter of the HAMAS movement" that is responsible for the deaths of 19 Americans and over 200 other people, expresses his moral indignation over someone else's indifference to the value of human life!
Have you ever seen such craven hypocrisy??
Cry me a river over the value of the lives of the Taliban and Tawhid and Jihad. Cry me a river over the value of the lives of the allies and accomplices of the murderers of thousands of Americans on 9/11. Cry me a river over the value of the lives of people who rocketed a mosque in Yakaolang where elderly men, women and children were seeking shelter. Cry me a river about the value of the lives of the people who executed Nicholas Berg and blow up wedding parties.

Notice to jihadists:
Need sympathy? Contact Nihad Awad. He values your worthless existence.

Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 12:33 PM

I have friends in New England. They are completely ignorant about the threat of Islam. I guess because in that part of the world (where I've been a few times), Islam just is not an issue as it hardly exists publicly (or at least where my friends live).

They really do think it is "six of one and half a dozen of the other" as regards Islamic fundamentalists and Christian fundamentalists.

I try and explain what things are getting like in Europe. They listen politely, but I can tell it means nothing to them.

Posted by: Celsius at February 4, 2005 12:52 PM

Nihad Wad? That guy was on O'Reilly whining like a newborn swine about Christian aid workers in Indonesia converting Muslims to a real faith.

He and Ibra-Ham Pooper are the epitome of two villages missing their idiots. If Pooper and Wad are so interested in what this General says, maybe they should grow a set of gonads and put on a United States Armed Forces uniform, fly to the Middle East, and kill Muslim terrorists.

Enemies should be demonized, especially when the enemies are actually demonic, like the Taliban and the Iraqi Muslims who kill the innocent.

Free speech boys, get used to it. For all the tough talking Muslims do, they sure are a bunch of pussies.

These two morons Wad and Pooper should have their eyes "toinked", then have their bulbous heads konked together to see which one clanks the loudest. They should move out of the country, because they are not American caliber.

Posted by: Prickzilla at February 4, 2005 12:54 PM

What is good or necessary about multiculturalism? Multiculturalism is the purest form of racism. It is divisive, destructive, and an open invitation to anarchy.
Most importantly, history clearly teaches the inimical, devastating consequences of previous experiments in muliticulturalism. Have they been forgotten so soon?
If you are anxious to obliterate your country and your culture, multiculturalism is the best way to do it, although there are quicker, less excruciating ways to commit suicide.
I cannot think of a single positive benefit of multiculturalism, not one.

Posted by: Susanp at February 4, 2005 12:55 PM

I know you won't believe it (and more than likely, will Lie about it), but I do agree with most all of that statement.

No. I believe that you agree with most of that statement.

Of course it is well known by now that McVeigh was tainted by islam, so I don't see how he was any part of the GOP.

And it has been well known all along that McVeigh was tainted by right-wing ideology; e.g. the "Big goverment is the problem" blather. McVeigh said in court that he bombed the building as a result of the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents. That's why the detonation of the Murrah building occured on the anniversary of the day the Branch Davidians committed suicide. McVeigh most certainly was part of the GOP. I know that you will say that he was a liberal, like you said that Hitler was liberal and would probably say that Ghengis Khan, Pontius Pilate, and Benedict Arnold were liberal, but you have an agenda that transcends reality.

McVeigh was "tainted" by Islam?-- that only makes it worse. He was brainwashed by right-wing pukespewers screaming "Clinton killed the kids at Waco! Clinton killed the Patriots at Rudy Ridge! Big government is the problem! The Feds are ruining this country!" all day every day on the fledgeling a.m. hate radio empire.

As a "good Christian" you will also be glad to know that McVeigh also asked for (and received) Last Rites. I assume you know what that means. It means that he went to Heaven! For all Eternity! He gets to play harp with those 31 babies he killed in the Murrah Federal Building nursery!

My problem is with the bigotry, racism and narrow-mindedness of the people who are currently teaching and pushing multiculturalism in the country I call Home.

Or, that you call “Home” sometimes.

When people push for tolerance and acceptance of others, and encounter racist, narrow-minded bigots, what do you expect them to do? Welcome the racists and bigots INTO the multicultural society?

I love the way you post all these links. Like Michelle Malkin and David Horowitz are going to "tell us the real truth" about the dreaded leftist liberals. How about I refer YOU to racism and bigotry on the right with link to democratic underground or mikemoore.com?

Mayhap our good friends here would like to see some right-wing bigotry and racism:

www.cofcc.org

www.kkk.bz

www.stormfront.org

www.martinlutherking.org

(that last on isn't what you think….. click the link “Jews & Civil Rights: Who Led the Civil Rights Movement” and see what your fellow “anti-multi-kulti” whiner, David Duke, thinks about multiculturalism.)

*stops back for a moment* As I said earlier, kj, I was 13 when your god kerry was defaming tens of thousands of Vietname Vets before congress.

That means that you were 12 when your anti-christ Lieutenant Kerry was killing commies and saving GI lives in Vietnam. While Dub, Dick and 90% of the current GOP was safe in school on mommy and daddy’s dime, or “defending” Texas in a cushy, non-deployable position.

(STOP. Don't whine back about Slick Willie. He was dirt poor and EARNED a scholarship to he most prestigious university in the history of the world. Upon returning from Oxford, he registered for the draft and received a high lottery number. And was thus spared from Viet Nam, lucky for America. A brief digression: Of course, had he gone, he may have seen so many buddies and innocent people killed that he may have turned to drink upon coming home. He may have drifted from dead end job to dead end job and eventually ended up homeless on the streets. He may have descened further into a private hell with the help of heroin and crack. He may have sought shelter and edible garbage in a dumpster. He may have been crushed to death by a garbage truck that emptied the dumpster. Then Rush could have made fun of him on his show.)

Kerry was leader of a group of COMBAT veterans that ASKED him to speak FOR them. if you hate combat veterans, that’s your business. I just wish you wouldn’t spit on them like that.

Just imagine… if Kerry had kept quiet when he came home from ‘Nam (like Al Gore) would you like him? If Kerry had earned FOUR Purple Hearts instead of three (like Wes Clark) would you like him? If Kerry earned the Medal Of Honor in Nam (like Bob Kerry) would you like him? If Kerry had THREE limbs amputated in Nam (like Max Cleland) would like him? Oh wait… I know what the problem is now. It’s not what Kerry did or didn’t do… the problem is that there’s a “D” after his name! And he DARES to criticize the god-king draftdodger, Dub. THAT’s the problem. Maybe you should use your search engine and find out what Col. David Hackworth and Jesse Ventura think about Dim Son and his Iraqi quagmire. (I know, they must hate America too, right Gary?)

Yeah, too bad Kerry was in all those protests, with those goddamn hippies. If they had just kept out of Nixon’s business, there wouldn’t be 58,000 names on the Wall in DC… there’d be 158,000 names, or maybe 580,000 names.

I am up here because my wife stood a better chance of finding the job that suited her desires: Stream Reconstruction.

LOL... an environmentalist treehugging dirtworshipper! LOL... I love it. You have to go to a liberal country to find a job in an environmental field! LOL.... you should've moved to Washington or Oregon.... LOL...I though “old-fashioned values” meant that the MAN was the breadwinner, but apparently you’ve found an “alternative” lifestyle that suits you.

God, Gary... PLEASE keep writing. It just keeps getting better and better...Thanks, I needed that. That is almost as good as the link you recently posted that was supposed to implicate Carter in helping the Taliban, but only mildly mentioned him while RAKING Lord Reagan over the coals. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

But as I expected, you only know what you want to believe, not what is reality.

No, I only know what little you’ve told me. I can see why you’re ashamed, though. I know now that you have renounced full American citizenship for money, or more specifically, so your wife can make more money. Nice. Maybe she could start her own company and rent a post office box in the Caymans, then you could go tax-free!

Not to mention many of your bigoted brethern (several hundred thousand) also live in Canada, while voting for losers in the US.

I’m sure that there aren’t any of your bigoted brethern [sic] doing the same thing. Oh no; none at aaaaaall.

A funny thing about racism… I used to be called “nigger lover” by the rep-cons, now I’m being called “racist” by the same people.

It’s also funny that a dainty Miss Nancy that never served can question the patriotism of someone like me, who served in the United States Marine Corps; but like I said, for some people all perceptions revolve around whether a “D” or an “R” follows the name, eh?

KJ the LLLL

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 12:57 PM

Well put, Prickzilla.
I wonder how the CAIR-Holy Land Foundation investigation is going (?). I haven't heard a peep, except that the HLF got slapped with a 42-count federal indictment.
How do you say "bye-bye" in Arabic?

Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 1:01 PM

Susan~ true multiculturalism is the assimilation of what is Good into the overall culture. However that is not how the Left wants to see it done- they prefer to go about it in a fashion that Destroys the good of the main culture (in this case, the US and Canada) by making out any and All customs and institutions of the past 2000 to be evil- especially if they are based in Christian thought. And at the same time, seeing No evil in the culture to be 'accepted' (read: garnered votes from at their expense, and eventually Our expense).

Can I Prove that? Not easily. Is it Obvious? Most certainly, to anyone who pays attention.

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 1:02 PM

One thing I hate about being part of Europe, unlike the Americans were not allowed to be patriotic.

Maybe there's a reason the fear patriotism-nationalism? Like that little thing called World War Two? The Europeans know a hell of a lot more about war, environmental ruin, nationalism, etc. than Americans do. That's why they are so liberal.

Too bad that their liberals ideology lets a hateful cult like Islam flourish in it's midst. Maybe after a serious European Jihad, (what's left of) Europe will have a deep knowledge of that too, and strive to keep it away.

When the Jihad begins in earnest, how will it all play out? The French can always flee to French Guiana, but I guess America, Canada, and Australia will have to take in the rest of you.

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 1:02 PM

However that is not how the Left wants to see it done- they prefer to go about it in a fashion that Destroys the good (blah blah blah, Tim McVeigh blather) ...all customs and institutions of the past 2000 to be evil- especially if they are based in Christian thought.

Liar. Even I recognize the many good traits of the occasional wayward Christian.

"The last 2000"? I presume you mean "the last 2000 years"... but Islam is only 1400 years old, and I thought "we" were supposed to loooove Islam?

Can I Prove that?

Of course you can't. If you could, you would have already.

Is it Obvious? Most certainly, to anyone who pays attention.

I.e., if you don't agree with Gary, you're just not paying attention. Very tolerant.

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 1:07 PM

kj-
The vast majority will stay in France. They've already accepted their dhimmitude.

Posted by: Mike at February 4, 2005 1:10 PM

Mike:
Right you are! The French love totalitarians so they will take to Islam like flies to sh*t!

I'm sure the French girls will compete with each other to be the first to spread their legs for their new Islamic masters. They did it for the Nazi soldiers during WWII and they'll do it for the Islamofascists in the 21st century. Just watch!

The Europeans are a tired, self-loathing culture and they deserve to have their culture, or what's left of it, overrun by unlettered barbarians. The better ones will make it to the shores of the Anglosphere, which is still patriotic and knows how to fight. The more self-loathing amongst them will just convert, or more likely, passively accept their new status as second-class citizens in what used to be their own lands. They don't have any children anyway, so their world ends when they die out.

Unfortunately, people learn the wrong lessons from history. It's not nationalism that caused WWII, but deeper evils, state-worship, collectivism and self-sacrifice (altruism). Nationalism was necessary in Europe if you wanted your country to survive as a distinct culture. Darwinism among the nations caused those nations who did not have a strong sense of nationalism or identity to die out or be absorbed by larger countries.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

A small lesson that is being learned among the more sheep-like cultures like Holland is that if you want to be taken seriously or have some political power, slit someone's throat. The steak-knife is mightier than the pen!

Posted by: MetalMuncher at February 4, 2005 1:53 PM

Keith's rollin' today. He's on his game, much more than I am today. I'm freakin' tired. Keith, you've made some sense, and I agree with some of what you say, but please stop defending Clinton, he was a degenerate. Wait, no, he was a, yes, a degenerate.

I don't defend politicians on either side. I voted for Bush, know why? because Joe Lieberman wasn't running and Kerry is a UN bootlicker. By the way, Kerry went to Vietnam because he was denied a deferrment. My praise and respect goes to him for his service to America, but he never said "send me" like his hilligan running mate Edwards claimed.

They're all crooked and you know it. Clinton was no better than any of the rest of them, so give that part a rest already.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 4, 2005 2:09 PM

Multiculturalism is not even moral relativism, but a corruption of it. All cultures deserve respect, except your own and usually that means Western, post-Enlightenment cultures. It comes from Literary Criticism theory or out of the cesspool of academia. There are no calls for the immigrants in Holland to be more multicultural or tolerant. And, if they are not, what's going to happen to them.

I never understood why any European country has to have immigrants anyway. The Japanese don't have immigrants into their country and they are doing just fine.

It is just a logical conclusion of liberalism which is just a vehicle for Western suicide. Liberalism was recognized as Western suicide as early as 1964 by James Burnham. His excellent book, "Suicide of the West" tells how liberalism leads to Western suicide.

The West is like Rome was in the 4th and 5th centuries A.D. The barbarians will give the decadent Euros what they have coming to them unless Europe wakes up and helps destroy the Islamic menace.

Posted by: MetalMuncher at February 4, 2005 2:11 PM

I propose that the Dutch ban their language next, and then themselves, this should appease Is-lame for a while at least.

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Posted by: kj
As a "good Christian" you will also be glad to know that McVeigh also asked for (and received) Last Rites. I assume you know what that means. It means that he went to Heaven! For all Eternity! He gets to play harp with those 31 babies he killed in the Murrah Federal Building nursery!

Dear kj
Humans do not decide who or who doesn’t enter heaven.

And the Spirit of Jehovah shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah. And his delight shall be in the fear of Jehovah; and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither decide after the hearing of his ears; but with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and decide with equity for the meek of the earth; and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth; and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. (Isaiah 11:2-4)

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Kj, can you explain to me why the illiberal Democrats, dislike everyone of the minorities that President Bush’s has appointed?
This President has appointed more women to influential staff positions that any President in History.

While Democrats can only talk the talk, This Republican President walks the walk

Posted by: Bar at February 4, 2005 2:40 PM

Someone over there should have just told them:
"If thine eye offend thee, pluck it out!" by jingo.

The United States must not, and will not bow to this cultural plague. We will legislate against them, we will fight them in the streets if we must, and we will expell them from our shores. We must never bow our knee to these bastards.

This stuff makes me sick to my stomach. Holland, you have already fallen.

f.g.

Posted by: f.g. at February 4, 2005 3:09 PM

DC:Keith's rollin' today.

I wish!!!!

He's on his game, much more than I am today.

Right on?

I'm freakin' tired.

You're tired? I've got a 3-month old, and a 30-month old at home...

Keith, you've made some sense, and I agree with some of what you say, but please stop defending Clinton, he was a degenerate.

Wait, no, he was a, yes, a degenerate.

So Clinton was a degenerate... what would you call him if he sent 241 US Marines to die in Beirut, cut and ran to Grenada, funded Hezbollah and the madrassas that spawned the Taliban, AND laid a wreath on the tomb of the unknown Nazi soldier? What would you call him if he started a war for the Saudis based on lies that got 11,000 troops killed? Or "just" 1400 troops killed? (That's Reagan, Bush the Greater, and Bush the Lesser, respectively.)

I don't defend politicians on either side.

And I just defend the ones on both sides that do right.

I voted for Bush, know why? because Joe Lieberman wasn't running and Kerry is a UN bootlicker.

And Bush is a Saudi bootlicker.

By the way, Kerry went to Vietnam because he was denied a deferrment.

No, that's not the truth. It's a lie. You are either a liar or, you have been lied to. I will now prove it:

Men didn't "go to Vietnam" for being denied a deferment. They had the opportunity to request more and more deferments, like Dick Cheney. They could discover a "medical" problem, like Limbaugh. They could act crazy at their physical, like Ted Nugent. They could go to grad school. They could start a family. They could buy a slot in a non-deployable National "Guard" unit. Kerry's family was pretty well off and had connections in the diplomatic field. I think if Kerry really was as chickenshit as Trent Lott, Tom DeLay and the other "pro-war" draftdodgers, he could have easily found a way out.

Even if I grant you that Kerry volunteered for the Navy "only because" he was denied a deferment, men didn't automatically go to Vietnam. Kerry was stationed safely and comfortably on a ship, and REQUESTED combat duty.

Now what do you say? Please, I'm not being rhetorical, and I mean no disrespect. I want to know what you think given what I've just said (wrote.)

My praise and respect goes to him for his service to America, but he never said "send me" like his hilligan running mate Edwards claimed.

See above. He volunteered to join the Navy, and then volunteered for combat duty. He served honorably in combat, risked his life under fire for his crew and the Ranger they pulled out of the river, and earned his ticket home with three Purple Hearts. Recall that no one with the Swiftboat Liars for Bush actually served with Kerry on his boat, and all the men that served with him on his boat have stood with him every since.

Please don't tell me that Kerry recommended himself for his medals or that he authorized his own Purple Hearts. You can't recommend yourself for a medal. Only a doctor can authorize a Purple Heart, and they were pretty good at detecting malingerers and self-inflicters. The rule was: Three Purple Hearts, and you're out. Period. No "Three Purple Hearts that hurt at least as bad as a broken arm" and you're out. Three Purple Hearts. Kerry didn't make the rules; played by them, suffered adequately, and won a trip home.

As for poor, old Bob Dole claiming that Kerry never bled on the battlefield, or Michelle Malkin (as mentioned before) claiming his wounds were self-inflicted, it's amazing to consider that Kerry could actually push that shrapnel so far into his thigh that the doctors couldn't get it out, and didn't spill a drop of blood.

(BTW.... Dole said on CNN that the hundreds of men in Swiftboat Traitors for Dub coulnd't all be liars... so if I find a hundred democrats that served in WWII that say Dole hurt his right arm masturbating, will that be true too?)

They're all crooked and you know it.

So if they're "all crooked" why then do you only complain about Clinton, Kerry, and Edwards? Because "crooked" ends in "D"?

Clinton was no better than any of the rest of them, so give that part a rest already.

The only thing Reagan, Bush, and Dumbya are better at than Clinton is wasting the lives of Soldiers and Marines.

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Kj, can you explain to me why the illiberal Democrats, dislike everyone of the minorities that President Bush’s has appointed?

Absolutely. All of the minorities that Dub's apointed are conservative ideologues. That's why. Now, can you explain to me why the conservative Republicans disliked every one of the minorities that President Clinton appointed?

This President has appointed more women to influential staff positions that any President in History.

Yeah, and he's the first president in history to limit the rights of women to choose abortion AND birth control.

While Democrats can only talk the talk, This Republican President walks the walk

Another one of your stock bullshit comments. Dubya also talked the talk of fiscal responsibility. And states' rights (like deciding who can marry whom.) And environmental stewardship. And very restricted use of the military in "nation building" exercises. And getting Bin Laden, dead or alive. And.... etc. etc.

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 3:46 PM

Keith, believe what you want. Clinton and Kerry, are no better than any other politicians, they are lying shits just like the rest of them. C'mon, you're smarter than that.

And don't call me a liar. I don't lie. Kerry asked for a deferment, that's all you need to know. You can try to defend it, but you admitted it. He wanted to stay home just like everyone else. Hell, I don't blame him. But don't get caught up in the bullshit. The bottom line is that he didn't get a deferment, and Bush and Cheney did.

Please tell me you're not a Jimmy Carter supporter as well. Kerry lost the election, it's a done deal. I don't think any politicians are looking out for anyone but themselves. We're being sold down the river, and it's been going on for decades.

How about we drop it here. To hell with the ones who want to do away with our way of life, and our nation's borders.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 4, 2005 4:02 PM

I'm afraid I must apologize for a comment I made in one of the threads here a couple of weeks ago.

Due to personal experience working for a small Dutch company for five years and several stints working in the Netherlands, I made a comment something to the effect of "at least the Dutch seem to be realizing that they are losing their culture."

I therefore acknowledge that the Dutch are becoming more like the Walloons than the Flemish and are on a steady lemming-like march to become French.

Posted by: Don Miguel at February 4, 2005 4:20 PM

What you know of me, kj, makes you a member of the Know-Nothings. No matter. In the end, your ideaology will either sink the West, as it is doing in Europe, or it will be sunk along with islam.

Off for the weekend, guys! Sorry to leave you to kj's tender ministrations.

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 4:30 PM

This is the first of April is it not?

No?.... OMG. Something has gone wrong in the Netherlands. Has the water supply been checked recently? What are they putting in those legalised drugs?

I think I will go and have a cup of coffee. In the meantine, can some Dutch person come and tell us, that is all a huge misunderstanding.

Posted by: DP111 at February 4, 2005 5:09 PM

DC Watson:Slick Willie is the one who brought in all of these Somalians.

Somalis are known throughout East Africa, as a nation whose culture is brigandry and theft; thoroughly good raw material for the American melting plot, wouldnt you say?

I realise, that in democracies, anyone can be elected to office. But surely once elected they should bother to find out the people they are welcoming into the nation. Here in the UK, we too are under seige from the criminality of Somalis and Kosovans; another group of people whose culture is based on criminal activity of one sort or another. It would seem that law abiding Somalis or Kosovans are in the minority.

Posted by: DP111 at February 4, 2005 5:18 PM

Funny that Gary likes to spout off about his "patriotism" and love of country, but keeps citizenship in the most liberal, secular, socialist nation in our hemisphere: Canada. I wonder why? Gary, have you served in the US military? How old are you? Are you a draftdodger? Did you run to Canada to avoid 'Nam, for the socialized medicine, for the right of gay marriage, or for the legalized pot?
Multiculturalism IS good. So is tolerance.
Posted by: kj

Point by point.

I imagine several hundred thousand people in North American hold dual citizenship, including my own father. (I don’t) He loved both countries.

I would imagine that Cuba beats Canada for socialism.

Canadians do not generally support conscription, but we do not condone desertion, especially if the deserter joined the American army as a volunteer.

Socialized medicine is a provincial thing (as most things are in Canada) not a Canada thing. Some provinces are more socialized than others.

For a secular nation we sure have a lot of government sponsored religious schools. Catholic schools exist in every province as well as many other types of Christian schools. All with support from the taxpayers.

Most Canadians generally consider multiculturalism a failure now. A major change in the last 20 years. So it isn’t so good. (Disliking multiculturalism is not the same as being a racist, try to remember that)

Posted by: Sheik Canuck (swt) at February 4, 2005 5:58 PM

Now, can you explain to me why the conservative Republicans disliked every one of the minorities that President Clinton appointed?

Yes, all of President Clinton’s appointee’s hold a illiberal ideology they masquerade as a liberal one.

All this talking about Canada is making this non hockey season even more unbearable.

Posted by: Bar at February 4, 2005 6:08 PM

Susan,

Multi Kulti in itself is a good thing. How would you like to live without Chinatown, Sushi, little Italy- to name just a few. But we all know that they are just a part of a mosaic that makes up our western society. They are all part of our national fabric, whether they live alongside us or not, they assimilate and finally, they do integrate. Is it possible that this will happen also with the Mexicans who provide cheap labour in the US? I tend to think so.

All that falls apart when confronted with a monolith like Islam, the despotic blood cult of beduins, primitive carawan raiders who want to take the world back to the 7th century.This ideology has nothing to give, but it takesaway our freedom, it intimidates, it confuses and it wrecks havoc wherever it is allowed to flourish.

Jes, Japan is doing well in keeping them out, but not entirely: In Ueno there are several thousand day labourers hanging around the station, most of them from Iran. I don't know how they got there, but they managed to get in.
Here in Australia we are OK for the moment, John Howard copped a lot of flak for locking up whole shiploads of Islamic would-be immigrants and estblishing settlements for them around the Pacific Islands. That's not much good, eventually they tend to end up here anyway (Via NZ).I think we have to resort to Islamic barbarism and cruelty in order to achieve anything before it is to late...

Posted by: Terminator at February 4, 2005 6:29 PM

Gidday Terminator, I'm in New Zealand. There seems to be a few similarities between Aus/NZ relationship and U.S/Canada. I think Howard did the right thing with the Tampa boat people though I believe most were economic refugess anyway, and now they are all here in NZ along with hundreds of family members who arrive periodically. You would have had more boats if he hadn't taken a firm line. Seems you have a bit of Muslim trouble in Sydney, how bad is it?

Posted by: leelion at February 4, 2005 7:20 PM

BUY A FU-K EN GUN AND WIN SOME ONE SAYS ANTHING TO YOU CLAIM ROAD RAGE AND JUST KILL THEM

ROTFL!!!!!!!

WHAT WIMPS WE CAN'T HEAR YOU GROW SOME BALLS!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Suirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen

PS
HAVE TO COME OVER TO THE DIMMI MORE OFTEN NEED TO LOL MORE!!!

Posted by: Catherine at February 4, 2005 8:01 PM

I'd be interested to know precisely how wide-spread this was. The headlines to these stories tend to amplify what actually occurs. For instance the actual concent of the story that Silvester linked to only indicated that this happened to two students in one school.

Posted by: Dilophos at February 4, 2005 8:40 PM

Canada is my native land but before I get out the fireworks and party hats you should know the real history of our Liberal social engineers that pulled a scam on all of us.

First lets go back to the 1940's,while thousands of young Canadians were dieing in Europe from the 1939 invasion of Poland by Hitler
which triggered Britain and the British Subjects
in Canada to declare war on Germany for violating
a treaty. During this period a Liberal from a wealthy family mocked the war efforts by driving around the countryside in Qubec while wearing a nazi helmet as if that was an expression of humour,his name was Pierre Elliot Trudeau and later in the 60's he became our Prime Minister
by acting like a playboy and promising to decriminalize marajuana to appease the hippies.
Trudeau brought us the Charter of Rights and Constitution,but he tricked Parliament into passing the vote to bring in those documents by
using his Parties seats to dominate the house on a Friday. Friday's are usually a pretty dormant
day in the house because MP's fly back to their
districts for local issues since Monday to Thursday are the designated times for Bills,Comments,Question periods each day,and Member's bills introduced for review.
Trudeau gave the impression that the vote would take place in the near future,but he alerted his MP's to stay in Ottawa while the other Party MP's
left and couldn't make it back if a vote was Tabled on the issues.
With little resistance to the Documents Trudeau
called for the vote knowing Canadians might not like the change if they actually read the fine print,the landslide yes-vote paved the way for this new Canada that took away more Rights than the ones gained.

When I look at Iraq and China I see Nations that give some rights Canadians had taken away,Iraq will draft a Constitution that has a P.R.( proportional representation) election method
that includes the losing parties that still share in the seats based by the percentage of people that voted for them. Iraq will also have about 33 percent of the seat reserved for Female candidates to correct past wrongs and be inclusive.
As for China,it recently passed a law allowing
Citizens to have "Property-Rights" enshrined into their Nations rule of law.

Canadians lost their Property rights and Governments can take your land at will and only pay you a fair market cash settlement,in the last election the NDP had over 1 million votes but were given seats only based on the winning candidates,the promise of having more females in Parliament was shot down when the Liberals kicked out several females from the main core,Iraq will assure females a seat in the Congress as part of the law for elections.

Our homeless freeze to death in the winter because the Constitution protects people to refuse medical help or be taken to a shelter
before they die from the cold.
We now have the same-gender marriage debate and it will only be a matter of time before a group of same-sex people want the right to marry to get access to the partners benefit plans at work.
If two males can marry,why not 3 or 4 ,who will determine the actually gender preference and home would a Company prove you're not partners and will deny coverage.

I do care about Canada,but don't think it's the paradise the Liberals portray it as,they just passed an Election Bill that gives Politicians access to public funding based on a cash amount
for each vote in the previous election,ironically,the Liberals won the election as a minority Government with only about 139 seats out of 312,because of that they have hinted
they may have made a mistake and will review the funding method.
The Liberals want to go back to Corporate donations and the large personal amounts that helped under the old system. They thought they would always be the major power and screw the public by using tax money to fund their campaigns.

Posted by: ala-sux at February 4, 2005 8:41 PM

Posted by: kj at February 4, 2005 03:03 PM

Are you in this Fight against the Islamic Terrorist or Not??

Oriely has a Lot of people who like him so when Mr.Spencer went on People were Listing??

If a Lib would have him on their Show I sure he would go the Job is to Make People under stand the Threat and you with a new Jewish little baby should be the Frist to be on board to get the word out!!

http://www.hatefreeamerica.com/022702.htm
U.S. Islamic Schools Teaching Homegrown Hate
Wednesday, February 27, 2002
By Kenneth Adelman

NEW YORK — Can it be true? That Islamic schools in the United States teach hatred towards American Christians and Jews?

http://www.hatefreeamerica.com/091904.htm
On September 19, 2004 Chicago Tribune staff reporters Noreen S. Ahmed-Ullah, Sam Roe and Laurie Cohen in an article titled: A rare look at secretive Brotherhood in America , reported on the Muslim Brotherhood in America:

(For a full version of this article click here)

…………Over the last 40 years, small groups of devout Muslim men have gathered in homes in U.S. cities to pray, memorize the Koran and discuss events of the day. But they also addressed their ultimate goal, one so controversial that it is a key reason they have operated in secrecy: to create Muslim states overseas and, they hope, someday in America as well.

YOU ASK WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO ME??

http://www.hatefreeamerica.com/122303.htm
Student Journeys
Into Secret Circle
Of Extremism
Muslim Movement Founded in Egypt
Sent Tentacles to University in Knoxville
By PAUL M. BARRETT
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
December 23, 2003
One afternoon, Mustafa Saied, a junior at the University of Tennessee , was summoned by a friend to a nearly empty campus cafeteria. The two settled themselves in a quiet corner, and Mr. Saied's friend invited him to join the Muslim Brotherhood.
"Everything I had learned pointed to the Muslim Brotherhood being an awesome thing, the elite movement," says Mr. Saied of his initiation in 1994. "I cannot tell you the feeling that I felt -- awesome power."

KJ NOW PAY ATTION

http://www.islamreview.com/articles/islamicstrategy.shtml
The Islamic strategy, an insider's report.
They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad.
West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper.
You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us?
On the camera:
We will always say, “Islam is the religion of Peace.”
We will say, “Jihad is actually inner Jihad.”
Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible.
Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam.
Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely.
We will increase in number. We will double again.
You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, “wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people”, But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911.

http://www.qando.net/details.aspx?Entry=146
On September 26th, a television station in Saudi Arabia did some "man on the street" interviews which were recorded and translated by MEMRI. You can see the interviews, in arabic, here. Below is the translation. It's a peek at a very different world. A dark and disheartening world. We all know racism and bigotry still exist, but we don't often get a glimpse of it in such blatant form. It points to the long road ahead in the Middle East for any meaningful solution between Arab and Israeli

Interviewer: 'Would You, as a Human Being, be Willing to Shake Hands with a Jew?'

Respondent 1:

"Of course I wouldn't be willing to shake hands with a Jew, for religious reasons and because of what is happening now in Palestine, and for many reasons that don't allow me to shake a Jew's hand."

Respondent 2:

"No. Because the Jews are eternal enemies. The murderous Jews violate all agreements. I can't shake hands with someone who I know is full of hatred towards me."

Respondent 3:

"No, the Jew is an enemy. How can I shake my enemy's hand?"

Interviewer: "Would you refuse to shake hands with a Jew?"

Respondent 4:

"Of course, so I wouldn't have to consider amputating my hand afterwards."

Interviewer: 'If a Child Asks You Who 'Who are the Jews,' What Would You Answer?'

Respondent 5:

"The enemies of Allah and His Prophet."

Respondent 6:

"The Jew is the occupier of our lands."

Respondent 7:

"The murderers of prophets. Our eternal enemies, of course."

Respondent 2:

"The murderers of prophets, that's it."

Respondent 8:

"Allah's wrath is upon them, as the Koran says. Allah's wrath is upon them and they all stray from the path of righteousness. They are the filthiest people on the face of this earth because they care only about themselves - not the Christians, not the Muslims, nor any other religion.

"The solution is clear, not only to me but to everyone. If only [the Muslims] declared Jihad, we would see who stays home. We have a few countries There is one country with a population of over 60-70 million people. If we let them only march, with no weapons even, they would completely trample the Jews, they would turn them into rotten carcasses under their feet. There is another country that donated money, saying, 'I am behind you, I'll support you with weapons, just wage [ Jihad ].'

"But the cowardice inside us, deep within our hearts, was instilled by the Arab leaders, may Allah forgive them. They breast-fed us with it from the day we were born to this very day it has grown with us."

SO kj STOP ATTACKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE FIGHTING DON'T SEE MUCH COME-ING FROM YOUR SIDE OF THE ISLE??

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT, AND COURAGE TO DESTROY ALL ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

PS
THAT INCLUDES THE LIB'S WHO SUPPORT ISLAMIC TERRORIST

Posted by: Catherine at February 4, 2005 04:00 PM

Posted by: Catherine at February 4, 2005 8:45 PM

Keith, believe what you want. Clinton and Kerry, are no better than any other politicians, they are lying shits just like the rest of them. C'mon, you're smarter than that.

Posted by: DCWatson at February 4, 2005 04:02 PM

nO HE IS NOT!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
God Bless the USA and her Fighting Forces and ALL who Fight with her Amen

ROTFL!!!!!!!! can't fly their own flag why????? ROTFLLLLLLL tears in my eys and to think this is what kj wants?? what a dumb sh-t!!!!!

PS
ROTFL and to think they are telling us what to do??

I FLY MY FLAG AND LET SOME ASS HOLE TELL ME I CAN'T I WILL SUE OR SHOOT YOU FIGUARE IT OUT!!

ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Catherine at February 4, 2005 8:58 PM

nO HE IS NOT!!!~ Catherine

Thank you, Catherine.

I realize I don't make a clear enough effort to get the point across.

You do quite nicely with just a few words, however :P

For the record- there was an argument in the Church, several centuries ago, over the meaning of the word 'Is.' (However I found it the first time, I am not coming across it now to give a link, sorry about that).

If one thinks about it, there really is something to that argument.

Clinton was at least smart enough to know About the argument. (Not that he was able to make effective use of it).

Wonder if kj is... nahhhh. He'd just dis it.

Posted by: Gary at February 4, 2005 9:38 PM

This will get ZERO play in the media

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at February 4, 2005 11:11 PM

"Don't you infidels see?," they will say. "There is no Western civilization! Only Islam can lead to true tolerance and salvation! Sure, theree might be a beheading here, a stoning there, but hey! They're not REALLY Muslims, even though the Koran justifies these actions explicitly."

By the way, I don't really care who our allies are right now in resisting Islamic fundamentalism. I don't care for socialism, but the global Jihad is now much more of a threat to freedom than the forces of liberalism are. That said, anybody who justifies the Muslim takeover of society, whether in the name of "tolerance" or "multiculturalism", are no better than the jihadis themselves. Maybe if everybody saw the murders of Damiel Pearl, Paul Johnson, or Nick Berg, we wouldn't have to debate so much about the "peaceful" nature of Islam.

Posted by: vrkbarracuda at February 4, 2005 11:23 PM

To those of you who replied to my post about multiculturalism, I think maybe you misunderstood me. It has been years since my last college political science class, but the definition of "multiculturalism" as I learned it is
the belief that all cultures are equal in value.

Since all cultures are not equal in value, the purpose of multiculturalism is to extirpate the truly worthy and free cultures (Western civilization) by asserting that they are equivalent to third-world, primitive cultures.

But the most insidious aspect of multiculturalism is its desire to indoctrinate people, especially children, with the idea that good and evil are subjective concepts, and that moral judgments are racist, bigoted, or prejudicial.

I believe that moral judgment is imperative to sustain and protect life, and that the values, beliefs, and ideas that vitalize a culture are subject to scrutiny and objective judgment.

A free, modern, progressive society is more valuable and desirable than a totalitarian, stagnated or retrograde society. America has been a DIVERSE SOCIETY for many years, with ethnic and religious groups too numerous to count. But it was NOT MULTICULTURAL. There is a big difference between a united, cohesive society comprised of many ethnicities sharing a common culture and language, and multiculturalism.

That's my take on the subject. To encourage hundreds of ethnic groups to immigrate to America and NOT ASSIMILATE and NOT LEARN ENGLISH, will eventually destroy this country. That is what the left-wing haters of Western civilization want; that is multiculturalism.

Muslims began the multicultural onslaught in America. I don't consider the Mennonites and Amish to be in the same league as the muslims for many reasons, although they do maintain separate communities and a traditional life-style.
Muslims are the first group of immigrants to voluntarily segregate themselves from mainstream society because they believe they are superior. They partake of only the beneficial (to them) aspects of our society and culture, and contribute absolutely nothing.
Due to rampant illegal immigration, illiterate Mexicans have flooded the country and in some areas, created third-world slums with high crime rates and high birth rates. They refuse to learn English, they abuse our welfare system and even if they work and pay taxes, which most do not, they cost more than they pay in taxes.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that no nation can survive if it is divided into many separate ethnic groups who can't get along with anyone but members of the tribe. Yet that is exactly what the social engineers are striving for in America.

Posted by: Susanp at February 5, 2005 1:38 AM

Mike,
re Marine Corps General offends CAIR
& its
NIHAD AWAD

Click the link to read what the Marine General said.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MARINES_COMMENTS?SITE=VARIT&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

So these CAIR clowns, want us to believe that they are Americans? Sure looks like it:

"We do not need generals who treat the grim business of war as a sporting event," said the council's [The Council on American-Islamic Relations] executive director, Nihad Awad. "These disturbing remarks are indicative of an apparent indifference to the value of human life."

Who is this "we" to whom Nihad Awad refers? Does CAIR have generals now? Is Lt. Gen. James Mattis an lslamic general?

And an Islamic [I know this is a modifier, but it appears to chap their rear-ends, so I like it] refers to "an apparent indifference to the value of human life?" Do these Islamics value the lives of non-Islamics?

Upon reflection, Gen. Mattis' remark, especially after reading what Nihad Awad said, does have merit.

I mean it makes one think.

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 5, 2005 4:13 AM

Here is a copy and paste from a recent speech by Geert Wilders, the Dutch MP currently under death threat by islamists. His speech also refers to this story of the boys with their flags. You can read this and more about the Dutch situation here http://dutchreport.blogspot.com/

He says all the right things.

First Speech Geert Wilders
Representative wilders, under threat by Islamist who wants him dead, gave his first public speech since the murder on Theo van Gogh. He spoke to 50 businessmen in the city of Rotterdam, the city that made Pim Fortuyn. MSM calls him right wing, extreme and radical. But he is just a moderate conservative, with a lot of potential for the Netherlands.

Judge for your self. The speech gives a good view on Dutch situation:

Rotterdam January 31, 2005

"Ladies and Gentleman,

I would like to thank you, for letting me speak here. This is my first speech in The Netherlands since the murder of Theo van Gogh. I consider it an honor to make my comeback here in Rotterdam together with you.

I want to use tonight’s speech here, to tell you about my plans for my political movement and most of all, my plans for this nation. The coming months I will go public with more ideas and gradual transform from an independent representative to a large public movement.

I will not speak lengthy and at the end you can ask questions. I’m curious to hear from you what your ideas are about the future of The Netherlands and how we all can make sure we leave a better Netherlands for our children.

It has not been an easy time since I left the Liberal party (VVD).

Of course I already was a maverick liberal. Last year I published together with my former colleague Oplaat my ten-point plan. The essence of that plan was that the liberal party (VVD) was to left wing. Leading liberals even want to unite with social-liberals (D66) and socialists (PvdA). Now I left the liberal party (VVD), this seems a good idea to me. The liberal party (VVD) is a very purple party [*1]. All major parties in parliament are one of a kind. Let them all merge together.

In the 90’s we thought we where on holiday from History. As if we where done. But September 11th acted for many as a wake up call. Long before 2001, I had already warned against the radical Islam, but the government ignored all warnings.

The Netherlands slept quietly further. The elite refused to see the dangers that threatened us. Also the murder of Theo van Gogh did not bring the moral clarity we need at this moment. Our elite keeps on speaking non-sense about how we should start the dialog. Drinking tea as a remedy against terror. It’s nice that TV-shows like ‘around ten’ (Rond om tien) are full with reasonable and good educated immigrants, reality is, that 90% of the Moroccan people in The Netherlands only watch Moroccan TV channels. The gospel of the dialog does not reach them.

Now is the moment to act. It will soon be spring, time for spring-cleaning. I do not make a difference between terror against the state and terror on the streets. Who on the street (lijnbaan) prevents that medical rescue service workers can do their work [More info: here], should just be arrested. Is such a person a holder of a foreign passport, makes it easier. Because this person can be send quickly out of the country. Every week airplanes arrive at Schiphol airport coming from Turkey and Morocco with new immigrants with no perspectives. It would be good if the return flights also had some passengers.

Terrorism is not something you solve with a orange bracelet [*2] or a binding day [*3]. We should give all we have to protect our families.

The government comes with new paper plans, but in the mean time they do practically nothing. There is not a single radical mosque closed, not a single radical imam evicted from the country and not even one of the hundred and fifty terrorists under surveillance by the intelligence service is caught. With intentions and laws only, you will not solve the problem of the radical Islam. What this country needs, are politicians with guts that dare to stick their neck out and act when needed. Regarding the war on terror the gentleman [justice minister] Donner, [Domestic affairs minister] Remkes and [prime minister] Balkenende, bark but don’t bite.

Last week the trial against Mohammed B. [murderer of Theo van Gogh] started. A letter written by him illustrates what kind of emergency we are in. B. hoped that it would not take much longer “before the knights of Allah will march into the Binnenhof [parliament] and in the middle of the square will rise the flag of the Tawheed. The parliament will be renamed Sharia-court and the chairman’s hammer will confirm the Islamic judgments. Out of the tower of Kok [room of prime minister] will sound the praises for Allah.

I often hear a lot of nonsense coming from that tower, but I must say: rather Balkenende than Allah.....

Main objective of the Group Wilders the coming months is the battle of the referendum. U might know it: in June you may vote before or against the European constitution.

In a way it is good that you finally get an opportunity to voice your opinion directly. The Dutch population is never asked something about the European ‘fusion’. That ‘fusion’ is presented by the political parties elites (CDA, PvdA, VVD, in front) as a natural phenomenon. According to these vested parties, the European ‘fusion’ is an ‘inevitable’ fact, a train that left the station and can’t be stopped anymore. Every European treaty is without worthwhile discussion approved, no European proposal goes our leaders to far.

As a representative I judge all proposals on their merits. If something is in the interest of the Netherlands we should do it, but if it is not, we shouldn’t do it. That’s the way a representative should act: Always in the Dutch national interest. Objective and well considered. Not join none-sense because Brussel [EU headquarter] wants it so badly.

Was the abolishment of the Guilder [Dutch Currency] in the Dutch interest? The price rises caused by the euro? Denhaag gives our monetary and fiscal policies away to anonymous bureaucrats in Frankfurt. Is that really smart? France and Italy break the stability pact, the Greeks and Italians haggled when joining and the German chancellor Schroeder what’s to stretch the criteria even further.

Is it in our national interest to have a joined European refugee policy? Not being allowed to guard our borders? Is it in our national interest to be one of EU largest net contributors?

Is it in our national interest to admit more new, poor countries like Bulgaria and Romania to the union? Strangely these questions are never debated in Den Haag [Dutch parliament]. And now the political elite wants to admin Turkey to the union, a Islamic land of millions, that will have an enormous influence on the federal super state. Because of the new European constitution, Turkey will have more influence on Dutch legislation than The Netherlands it self. It can’t become crazier than this.

A considerable amount of our legislation is already coming from Brussel, most Dutch civil servants carry out European law. European laws and rules now consist of 100.000 pages. Each year that grows with a few thousand new rules. Europe is out of control. Europe is not owned by its citizens but owned by the bureaucrats in Brussel.

The European constitution abolishes the primary principle of sovereign and political independent democratic member states. Both legally as politically The Netherlands will become a province in the European super state. And do you know what socialist (PvdA) spokes person Witteveen, a big supporter of the European constitution, said in the senate during the debate over the EU referendum? He said: “The development of the EU go with little steps, often over obscure dark winding paths, but has now reached the point of no return: Dutch citizens no longer live in a sovereign nation state, the independent kingdom of The Netherlands …”. I could not have said it better than this socialist did. But in contrast to the PvdA, the CDA and the VVD, I will not accept this sell out.

If the new European constitution is accepted, more often decisions will be made by majority rule. The Netherlands looses its veto. We will lose as many as 63 veto rights. Countries with more citizens will get more influence. A country like Turkey with it’s enormous population will have more influence then the small Netherlands. Now there live 68 million people in Turkey. In 2020 there will be 83 million.

Thus the difference gets bigger and with that, Dutch influence gets smaller. Thus, the more Turks there come, the less we have to say about our own country. I hope you will go to the ballot and vote against the European constitution. This way you contribute to make The Netherlands independent again. The elite in Brussel will be disappointed next June.

The Groep Wilders will transform the coming year to a broad movement. In these times of slum, I come with a message of hope and optimism. I think The Netherlands can do better. I think our best days are still ahead. I think there is no reason for pessimism, simple because we have confronted bigger problems in the past. Look around you, and see what the Dutch together have buildup. These same Dutch should be afraid for the challenges ahead? I don’t think so.

Maybe you have heart that Groep Wilders is an one issue movement, a club that has only one topic.

They are right.

Our issue is freedom. I put freedom central. The freedom that your mother can go out in the evenings, the freedom that your grant children are not forced to wear a head scarf, the freedom that you can spend your income on your family, the freedom to say what you want, the freedom you have because your government protects your family against terrorists, the freedom to have a job and a pleasant live, the freedom as a country to decide for our selves independently.

Since today we can add an other freedom to this list: the freedom as a Dutch to wear the Dutch flag. For example on your school bag, as the boys in IJselstijn wanted but where not allowed by their school direction, because it would provoke Moroccan students

Freedom is the central idea. Now organizing it.

In the months after I left the liberal party (VVD), I received tens of thousands of mails. A large part of the messages had a clear message: Geert please continue, but please not a second Lijst Pim Fortuyn (LPF). [*4].

I have taken this at hearth.

To start with, we make full use of the element of time. Professor Fortuyn had only a few weeks to organize. That did not work out. We let our self advise and assist by professionals. That must result in a faction that is unanimous. Solid people who together form a cohesive team.

Our administration is in professional hands, to make sure there is never any doubt about the financial management.

Our organization slowly emerges, with all cost involved. Later we also need extra money for a national election campaign. The existing political parties have doubled their government grants from 7 million in 2001 to 15 million euro in 2004. This way the taxpayer has to pay for commercials the Dutch elite parties make for them selves.

My new party has not yet run in parliamentary elections and that is why it not eligible to claim government grants. That means that I have to organize my finances my self.

But that is not something we are unhappy about. We are not a party that lives of the taxpayer’s money, needlessly parasite ting on the public treasury. We are a citizen’s movement: free people who make their own choices and who are not on addicted to government money.

My call for donation I made last year, resulted in many reactions. Often these are small amounts of individuals. Sometimes someone sends a small message with it. For example a woman who says that she can not give more than 10 euro. But she add’s “Mister Wilders, you have to know that you can always come into hiding at my home”. Reactions like these get me through these cold times.

Al small donations are welcome. Because they show that this is a citizens movement.

I have enormous energy to create something great. I hope, together with you.

Ladies and gentleman, thank you for your attention.

Posted by: Sebastien at February 5, 2005 5:30 AM

Posted by: unicorns62000 at February 5, 2005 04:13 AM

Don't you jut Love Marines YES WE LOVE TO KILL THE ENEMY!!

Every Hunter loves the thrill of the hunt and then there is the Kill!!

Well we have asked our Marines to be our Hunters and Kill the Enemy and we LOVE THEM FOR IT!!!!

Part of the American Tribe
Squirrel Hunter
Spider Killer
GOD BLESS THE USA AND HER FIGHTING FORCES AND ALL WHO FIGHT WITH HER GIVE THEM STRENGTH, WISDOM, SIGHT AND COURAGE TO STAY THE COURSE TO DESTROY THE ENEMY ISLAMIC TERRORIST AND ALL WHO SUPPORT THEM AMEN

Posted by: Catherine at February 5, 2005 12:24 PM

While we can most definitely be assured that when the word immigrant is used when speaking about the Netherlands, it denotes Muslims, I think we should be careful. I can't find any mention of Muslims in this article. Here's my cheesy Systran translation:

flag prohibition is widespread

AMSTERDAM - more schools appear have
banished the Dutch flag.

On the green heart lyceum in them to pine rijn is the Dutch three
colour already almost a year from pine boze. All groepsidentificerende
characteristics are not accepted there and suspension threatens as
students nevertheless venturing with clothing and piling up with flags
to arrive. Readers reacted earlier these weak furiously to the flag
prohibition of IJsselsteinse school, because the flags provoking would
be for foreign co-students.

Execrated

A boze man communicated yesterday that he is regularly execrated '
expatriate and left intellectuals ' because he drives round in dark
blue ex-defensieauto with rood-wit-blauwe a sticker at the back. I get
that to hear I a nationalist and a fascist are. Perhaps a list can be
established there with what can say Dutch still and do, sneers he.

The green heart says have obliged lyceum itself to those measures by
the hardened climate on school. Not only the flags, but also lonsdale
lonsdale-kleren, lay in a coffin with white or red laces and
bomberjacks are possible discrimination or plague behaviour according
to the Executive Board of the school result in. A spokesman of the
school lays from: Sometimes all of a sudden the flame in the pan beats
and then must we react. Then we keep out the problem object for
tijdje. According to the school the students make of it no problem,
but are it especially the parents who find that their children are
decreased its own identity. "everything happen in consultation and a
prohibition is a large word." The rural office race discrimination
understands the schools but thinks that it has to little prohibit
sense preventively.

We need to be careful, I think, in fighting Islamofascism to fight fairly.

Posted by: patrickafir at February 5, 2005 2:47 PM

Posted by: Celsius at February 4, 2005 12:52 PM

"I have friends in New England. They are completely ignorant about the threat of Islam. I guess because in that part of the world (where I've been a few times), Islam just is not an issue as it hardly exists publicly (or at least where my friends live)."

A Connecticut Red here Celsius, a neocon, grew up in NYC and relocated here. You're absolutely right, people here are mostly oblivious to islam (regardless of my efforts) and the threat these rats impose; and liberalist, moonbatty thoughts prevail.

But while islam doesn't exist publicy, neither do our Twin Towers.

We'll wake up, I hope.

I did.

Posted by: khamr at February 5, 2005 3:24 PM

I sent the article to a relative in Hilversum,Netherlands which is around 23 miles south of Amsterdam regarding the suppression of showing the Dutch flag: and this was the responce I received. I have corrected the English without distorting my relatives comments.

Hello Mackie:

We are very surprised that the American newspapers are writing over our country.It is so very true that we must look very closely over the comments that we want to talk about with our friends in public if its about muslims. We can be sued for racism if we dare to say something about the Marokan or Turkish people.
in some citys we are in the minority and the muslims are aware of that so they will take advantage of this.

It is not very comforting to live like this, but as you know we are very flexible in our thinking, so we will stand true to this thing. I hope your country has a better culture.

Sorry for my bad english.

Posted by: Mackie at February 5, 2005 9:33 PM

Don't bother trying to find common cause with leftists, they'll use every opportunity to corrupt, and then jam the knife into the back.
Besides, they're all slogans and cliches, with zero substance.
Compromise and collaboration with leftism is the reason for the mess we're in.

Leftists propagate the myth that words define reality. Therefore they can create reality with words. They have created a climate that allows total contradiction of reality by skillful deceptive manipulation of language to tap into emotion. This is the stuff of George Orwell. But the leftists project their own machinations onto those that resist.
Leftists claim they're liberal-- therefore they are. NOT.
And the Branch Davidians "committed suicide"-- according to The Ministry of Truth.

Posted by: kentim at February 6, 2005 12:22 AM

In addition.

Stalin and communists were instrumental in helping Hitler achieve power, the Nazis and Communists collaborated in the destruction in the democratic parties in Germany. Then they collaborated in the secret Ribbentrop/Molotov pact, dividing Poland between the U.S.S.R and Nazi Germany, the real trigger of the Second World War.(And they were supported by leftists world-wide).

Hitler double-crossed Stalin, possibly pre-empting Stalin's own double-cross plans. The Soviets still maintain strict secrecy about Stalin so nothing definitive is known or may ever be known about it.

In my opinion Roosevelt made a mistake in recognizing the Soviet Union, the truth was known about the nature of the regime despite impressive propaganda efforts by sympathizers and fellow-travelers.
Recognition bestowed legitimacy and in effect approval on that murderous regime that still maintained the Marxist-Leninist ultimate goal of world-wide destruction and revolution. The other Western countries had been duped into saving the communist regime from collapse with economic assistance and trade, made possible by Lenin's so-called "New Economic Policy"- which was sold as a moderation and liberalization of Kremlin ambitions. It was a fraud that was dropped after it had served it's purposes. And it had many purposes.

In my opinion,technically,those governments that collaborated and compromised with the Soviet Union at that time have blood on their hands, and were de-facto corrupted by it.
Collaboration with Stalin/leftists to destroy Nazism(after Hitler's double-cross) further corrupted and tainted governments who were claimed to be fighting against evil. The correct policy would have been to facilitate Nazi-Communist mutual destruction.

Instead the U.S.S.R. had increased it's power and influence to the point where for 40+ years the communists/leftists wrecked havoc on the world and threatened the destruction of Western civilization. There were occasions where that destruction was narrowly avoided.
The leftists claim Stalin was'nt a "true Communist". Just like the muslim apologists claim BinLaden et.al. are not 'true muslims". They BOTH SAY THOSE THINGS FOR THE SAME REASON.
And-- Stalin was not just an ordinary megalomaniac- he was a serious student of Marxism and highly intelligent. His whole being centered around fulfilling Marx's and Lenin's "prophetic" visions. The denunciation of Stalin by Khrushchev was political damage control for a world-wide audience- the so-called "secret meeting speech" manuscript was conveniantly leaked to Western media shortly after.

Compromise with leftists is compromise with evil, their words are meant to seduce and exploit the gullible and the weak. It does not matter what their intentions are, the historical record shows what the results are when they have power. They are allied with the Islamists now for the same reason Stalin and the Communists helped Hitler. They were/are two competing totalitarian political ideologies who have a common enemy that must be eliminated before they can turn against each other. The main enemy is whats left of the Principles as set down by the Founders in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, as practiced by the United States of America.

Just like individual muslims cannot claim that their islam is the correct one, and others have 'hijacked " true Islam, while these supposed 'hijackers' are overwhelmingly validated by history, holy scriptures, and popular support. Individual leftists may openly express their disgust and contempt and fear of islam, that is no great revelation. They view all religion(or any other belief or thought that deviates from leftism) as stupid and dangerous.

But the overwhelming, popular view expressed by leftists world-wide is the moral/cultural relavitist(hypocritical) perspective and moral equivelency. Which prohibits making value judgements on cultures(and special groups) or the moral codes they adhere to. The most pathetic and disturbing example of this in action is the defense and propagation of the "Palestinian cause", and the equalizing demonization of Israel.

We don't need the leftists. We need the undecided and apathetic.

Posted by: kentim at February 6, 2005 12:36 AM

kj,

Your vile, hate filled screeds are some of the worst bile I have read on the internet recently.

McVeigh was certainly an extreme right wing ideologue, but that doesn't make him a member of the GOP any more than Charles Manson or ELF eco-terrorists are members of the Democrat Party. In fact, the racist sites you linked to are often virulently isolationist and are highly critical of the Republican Party for the US's current war and our support for Israel.

Muppet

Posted by: Muppet at February 6, 2005 2:13 AM

So much for the murder of Theo Van Gogh waking people up to the threat of Islam. Seems that horrifying event has only served to speed the Dutch's descent into dhimmi hell. But I don't blame the average Dutch person. Just the usual suspects - the dhimmi politicians, the dhimmi teachers, etc. People who have no backbone, no soul, no pride. People who are an even greater threat to the normal, sane, free world, than the Islamics themselves.

Posted by: feralee at February 6, 2005 8:14 AM

Further clarification..

Over 100 years ago there were people who began to recognize the incremental subversion of original Liberal principles, and the transformation into something that kept the name but adopted illiberal ideas:

http://www.constitution.org/hs/manvssta.htm
MAN VS. THE STATE-- Herbert Spencer

"But why do I enumerate facts so well known to all? Simply because, as intimated at the outset, it seems needful to remind everybody what Liberalism was in the past, that they may perceive its unlikeness to the so-called Liberalism of the present. It would be inexcusable to name these various measures for the purpose of pointing out the character common to them, were it not that in our day men have forgotten their common character.

They do not remember that, in one or other way, all these truly Liberal changes diminished compulsory co-operation throughout social life and increased voluntary cooperation. They have forgotten that, in one direction or other, they diminished the range of governmental authority, and increased the area within which each citizen may act unchecked. They have lost sight of the truth that in past times Liberalism habitually stood for individual freedom versus State-coercion."
++++++++++++++++++++++
About the deceptive "Left-Right" formula:

http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=603
The Leftists were, for all practical purposes, ideologically similar to those of us who call ourselves “libertarians.” The Rightists were ideological opposites: statists, interventionists, in short, authoritarians. “Left” and “Right” in France, during 1789-90, had a semantic handiness and a high degree of accuracy.

But “Leftist” was soon expropriated by the authoritarian Jacobins and came to have an opposite meaning. “Leftist” became descriptive of egalitarians and was associated with Marxian socialism: communism, socialism, Fabianism.

What, then, of “Rightist”? Where did it fit in this semantic reversal of “Leftist”? The staff of the Moscow apparatus has taken care of that for us, and to their advantage: Anything not communist or socialist they decreed and propagandized as “fascist.” This is by way of saying that any ideology that is not communist (Left) is now popularly established as fascist (Right).

Posted by: kentim at February 6, 2005 2:01 PM