Of all the terrible things in the world!!
What a bunch of LOSERS.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2005 12:30 PM

OT
Ba’asyir and Thalib are of Yemeni origin, not Indonesian.
Surprise Surprise

Posted by: shiva at February 7, 2005 1:02 PM

Dont you every feel cheated

And how much of the tsunani aid is going in this direction

JAKARTA (Antara): The Indonesian Navy and the NationalAeronautics and Space Agency (Lapan) signed a memorandum of understanding on Monday to develop missile to reduce the dependency on foreign weapons.

"We are very dependent on foreign weapons. It is very harmful not to be able to operate our weapons just because we are under an embargo," Navy Chief of Staff Adm. Bernard Kent Sondakh said.

"The missiles will be for defensive purposes only," he added.

Lapan chief Mahdi Kartasasmita said the early stages of the development process would make use Lapan's expertise in rocketry.

Lapan launched its first rocket, the Kartika, on Aug. 14, 1964, under the tutelage of then president Sukarno.

"We expect to launch the missile from a naval warship in 2006 if everything goes as planned," he said on the sidelines of the signing.

The Rp 25 billion (US$2.7 million) national missile program will produce a surface-to-surface missile with a range of 20 nautical miles and equipped with a steel-piercing warhead.

Bernard expects the venture also to involve Indonesia's other defense-related companies, including airplane maker PT Dirgantara Indonesia, arms maker PT Pindad, the National Institute of Sciences and the National Electronics Board.

Posted by: shiva at February 7, 2005 2:26 PM

"Cupid and my Campaspe played
At cards for kisses. Cupid paid."

The Elizabethans, in blank verse and in tetrametric couplets, treated playfully those very kisses that the humorless Muslim love-police, even in that Indonesia the Western press likes to describe as tolerant, are prepared to punish with up to 10 years of imprisonment. One more difference between the civilized and the primitive.

Posted by: Hugh at February 7, 2005 2:39 PM

"The missiles will be for defensive purposes only"- Defending against what? Crusaders & Jews?

Indonesia has gone to the dogs.

Was colonial rule really such a bad thing? It probably was the best thing that ever happened to some countries...

This "country" has sooo many problems that would need to be fixed, but kissing in public is now a problem and must be outlawed...
Who can protect them from themselves?

Posted by: Terminator at February 7, 2005 2:42 PM

"Dont you every feel cheated

And how much of the tsunani aid is going in this direction"

that is a horrible thing to say, shiva.

what would jesus think?

Posted by: mathandhumanity at February 7, 2005 3:20 PM

Jesus would think shiva was spot on.

Posted by: Gary at February 7, 2005 4:22 PM

lol.

Posted by: freestar at February 7, 2005 4:44 PM

How pathetic can it get, imprisonment for a kiss on the streets... Well, here you go, Holland donated millions of Euros to Indonesia, a former coloney, and what do we get in return? Totalitarian madness.

Posted by: Jan Vink at February 7, 2005 4:52 PM

Why was shiva's comment terrible? Certainly there are enough wealthy muslim nations that could take care of their brothers and sisters in indonesia....instead it is the generous infidel countries that put their money and manpower into helping an ungrateful nation who had more rules and regulations for the volunteers that came to help dig them out..."women must observe muslim dress....your forces cannot be armed while in the country"..blah blah blah....as if our women should be shrouded under a heavy black tent so muslim men will be able to control themselves, as if our soldiers should not be armed while unloading supplies in a land where al queda is supported and they could be in danger...I say infidels should have kept their "unmodest women volunteers" and "armed soldiers" out of that oh so "pious" muslim land and let their stingy, unhelpful muslim brothers dig them out.

Posted by: USAgirl at February 7, 2005 5:05 PM

Maybe this legislation will make all of them infidel Western tourists think twice about spending their vacation in Indonesia. I think they should be spending their well earned Dollars, Pounds and Euros elsewhere anyway. Here's to more muzzy countries showing their true colours!

Posted by: disillusionised_german at February 7, 2005 5:12 PM

What of the kuma-sutra? is this against the foolish laws of islam?

I've heard from some mid-east war vets that homosexuality among muslims was very high, they suggested this may be where their hatred really comes from...

Posted by: Chuck at February 7, 2005 7:10 PM

A wonderful example of Islamic Idiocy! Shows no matter how much money or goodwill from Infidel Nations, these stupid buggers will use it for more violence and rant from their wretched Koran.
Okay, so Indonesia has just said goodbye to Tourist trade.This is unlikely to harm the West but will certainly harm Indonesia's struggling economy.

Posted by: Morgane at February 7, 2005 8:43 PM

The Indonesian government should go a lot further. Sexual intercourse amongst Muslims after marriage should also be banned.

Posted by: Timbo at February 8, 2005 12:04 AM

USAgirl says,

"Why was shiva's comment terrible? Certainly there are enough wealthy muslim nations that could take care of their brothers and sisters in indonesia...."

So I nominate her, to go snatch the USA relief supplies from the dying Indonesians, and give this same explanation as she does so.

Posted by: mathandhumanity at February 8, 2005 3:23 AM

You've gotta laugh. Today on the news I saw Indonesian soldiers calmly having a meal at a cafe watchng looters steal everything that wasnt nailed down.

I have always regretted the amount of money donated to Aceh.

Posted by: DianaC at February 8, 2005 5:01 AM

Good, don't kiss, and we won't holiday in Indonesia either.

And Chuck, I knew two guys who were sexually assaulted by men, when they were in the middle east.

Posted by: Voltaire at February 8, 2005 5:13 AM

I will NEVER step foot on ANY muslim land. Women in muslim lands are viewed as creatures with less worth than cattle, they are simply put on earth in islams view for the sexual gratification of muslim "men" (and I do use the term Men loosly) and to be a factory to produce as many babies as is physically possible....however this does not answer the question...where are indonesias muslim brothers and sisters, why do they wait for the unbelievers to dig their people out, wealthy countries such as saudi donate with stinginess, many muslim nations that donated the tiny amounts they did even wanted to ensure their money would ONLY go to help muslim...yes these are the generous people that seem to be defended here.

Islam is an ideology that was made up by a sick, perverted pedophile...therefore I dont expect too much from its followers, except much of the same type of activity practiced by their "revered" prophet....it is well known that they feel that their prophet was "perfect" and they should conduct their lives as he did his...to think a man that raped a 9 year old child is viewed as "perfect" by over a billion people really puts islam into prespective.

And as a personal note....we have donated money, and yes I made sure that the money went to non islamic causes, because unfortunatly I cannot trust that money going to indonesia wont end up being used for jihad instead of feeding starving children....my husband and I have also decided that if it becomes possible legally(we have already spoken with a lawyer), since we have both the monetary means and the desire we will adopt a girl that has become orphaned, we will open our home, family (we have 4 boys) and hearts to a child that needs a family (and will likely have a better life over here)....so unless you are willing to do the same math...put up or shut up....some sit back and criticize while others actually do something.

Posted by: USAgirl at February 8, 2005 5:25 AM

I won't go into what I have done to help out, and what I will continue to do, because I'm the anonymous type when it comes to that kind of thing. But let me assure you, you shouldn't bark up that tree.

I think your plans are admirable USAgirl. I just hope that orphan girl loathes a little less than you do. You describe muslim men as though all 500 million of them are subhuman. You might want to rethink that.

Posted by: mathandhumanity at February 8, 2005 6:07 AM

And Chuck, I knew two guys who were sexually assaulted by men, when they were in the middle east.

Posted by: Voltaire

Thanks for the info, I will put this in my permanent brain file.

My Vet friends were taught of this as part of sensitivity training before being deployed in the initial stages. They also informed me of their cure for sexually transmitted diseases; they have sex with a goat or sheep to remove it.

These people are underdeveloped or as we used to call it before the PC awareness: RETARDED

Posted by: Chuck at February 8, 2005 6:46 AM

Does anyone out there still believe the historical fiction that Indonesians Islamicized all by themselves, said goodbye to the magnificent Hindu-Buddhist Kingdoms of Central Java and turned themselves willingly and happily into one of the world's most tyranically corrupt and backwards places? No???

Good. We didn't think so. We don't believe it either.

Most likely, Arab armies (perhaps numbering several million) invaded the island of Java (possibly from the north coast of the island, and possibly using the Malay Peninsula or other tropical Asian landmass as a military base) during the late tenth century, possibly during the 970s or 980s.

Armed with sophisticated military power and armaments these Arab and other middle Easterners could quite possibly have marched into the heartland of Central Java and opened fire on these kingdoms--slaughtering perhaps tens of millions of people (conceivably more than twenty million Javanese). Once in power, we think the Arabs pressured lesser Javanese kings to 'spread Islam' by the sword. However, all did not go according to plan. The great volcano, Merapi, erupted catastrophically and probably finished off both most Arabs and Central Javanese. It is possible that millions more perished.

When the Mojopahit Empire arose in East Java around 1300 AD, it contained Arabs. No one has ever really explained their presence there as Java is not believed to have Islamicized for more than half a century later. But if the island HAD been invaded, THAT would explain their presence. And a good deal more.

Indonesians have lost touch with who they are. At the moment, they appear to think they are Arabs. They do not realize they were once much more. And could be again.

What a terrible travesty. What a sad fate for a once-great people. Very sad. Very, very sad.

Posted by: pythagoras at February 8, 2005 10:19 PM

MATH AND HUMANITY:

You are as out of touch with the spirit of Jesus as anyone I could ever imagine.

You act shocked by judgmental comments, but then you reply with comments that are far MORE judgmental. If you dislike judgmentalism you should refrain from partaking of it yourself. Since you are clearly playing 'both sides', you're actually being a hypocrite. What would Jesus have to say about THAT?

Posted by: pythagoras at February 8, 2005 10:26 PM

Short-term marriages popular in Pasuruan
National News - May 12, 2004

Indra Harsaputra, Pasuruan

After completing junior high school, it was expected that Tuminem would get married and work to support her family. Eventually, she was urged by her parents to marry an employee of a company in Surabaya for social and economic reasons rather than mutual affection; the marriage would be contractual.

Such is the case for most girls who reach adolescence in Rembang subdistrict, Pasuruan regency, East Java.

Tuminem, familiarly called Mbak (sister) Min, is now 30 years old and has three children. Three times has she entered a contract of marriage; to the same man.

Her husband comes home once a month and provides money for household expenses.

"At the age of 12, I already knew I would be married according to local tradition. At 14, I was compelled to marry contractually -- they were fearful that no man would propose if the matter was left any longer," she told The Jakarta Post.

Besides receiving money from her husband, Tuminem works as a housemaid for a salary of Rp 500,000 (US$60) a month. Her total income is enough to meet the needs of her three school-age children.

"My husband will only provide money as long as I'm still bound by the contract, and if the children know he is their father. They refuse to call him father as they understand the marriage between us is contractual," she said.

What are the terms of the contract? Tuminem said, when her husband was present, the contract stood and she was obliged to perform her wifely duties. If he was absent for a prolonged period, the contract would no longer be legal.

"He pronounced twice that he would divorce me; but because he still needs me, he returns, we reconcile, and now he has promised not to divorce me. He gives me Rp 400,000 for a visit," she said, confessing that her husband visits twice a week.

Tuminem's two sisters, Maimunah and Fadiyatul, were contractually married at the age of 12. Both are factory workers with salaries of Rp 400,000 a month.

Maimunah has four children and Fadiyatul, three children. They have been married to many men. Maimunah admitted that she had already been married to 10 men, Fadiyatul, to three.

Tuminem, Maimunah and Fadiyatul expressed the sincere wish that they could be married permanently, although they were pessimistic that no one would marry a woman with children.

The three sisters' story is not unusual in Rembang, where contractual marriage is legal. The community, the majority of whom are migrants from Madura, consider that mature girls must marry as soon as possible.

Once they start menstruating, the community rules that it is time for girls to bear children. Similarly, boys who have experienced a wet dream are obliged to start a family and find work.

A contractual marriage is carried out much like any other marriage. There should be witnesses from the families of both the bride and groom, a Muslim marriage cleric, guests and a reception.

The difference is that a contractual marriage is not registered with the government. The groom's family should pay for the wedding.

Usually, the groom's family will opt for a Rp 500,000 wedding package, including the cleric's fee and catering.

The groom must also bring a gift to the bride in marriage. The worth of the dowry is dependent on the bride's status: If she is a virgin, the price is between Rp 1 million and Rp 1.5 million, whereas, if she is a widow, only Rp 300,000 to Rp 500,000 is required.

According to a resident of Rembang, Hadi, contractual marriages are a long-standing tradition in Rembang, but various areas of Pasuruan regency -- such as, Orobulu, Kalisat, Tampung Pajaran, Kanigoro, Pandean and Jangkungan villages -- also encourage contractual marriage.

"Society has accepted this practice, as according to their beliefs, it's valid. Some religious leaders have approved it, while other provincial government officials are against it. But whether it's opposed or not, it has become more popular," he said.

A broker will arrange a contractual marriages for a fee of between Rp 100,000 and Rp 300,000.

It is the job of the broker, who usually works as an ojek (motorcycle taxi) driver, to find a women who is to the liking of the groom and within his price range.

Hadi explained that the spread of the practice to other areas outside Rembang was due to an increasing population and the growing number of Rembang residents that moved to other villages.

Besides that, he said, lately, women worked as prostitutes under the guise of contractual marriage, and brokers acted as their pimps.

Ayu, not her real name, works in a massage parlor in Surabaya. She said the practice was acceptable as it allowed women to secure a better income. "You can get paid by your husband as well as your employer," she said.

Posted by: shiva at February 9, 2005 3:09 AM

No.1/1974 on Marriage. According to article 45 of this Law, a child who has
entered a marriage no longer enjoys the right of protection from his/her
parents. This law states that “both parents have a responsibility to provide the
best support and education for their children until the child is married or is
able to become an independent person”. Therefore, the parents legally are no
longer responsible to protect and support their child after the child is married,
whatever his/her age.
Even though it is only in rare cases that married children still continue their
education, regardless of their age, there is no legal restriction imposed upon
them not to go to school. Law No.2/1989 on national education system does
not prohibit married children from going to school. Article 5 of this law states
that “every citizen has an equal right to receive education”. At the same time,
Article 7 states “the acceptance of a person as a student in an education unit
held without any discrimination against sex, religion, ethnic, race, social status
and level of economic power, taking into consideration the specific
characteristics of any special education unit”.. Therefore, there is no
requirement/obligation for every school to accept married children as its
students.

Posted by: shiva at February 9, 2005 3:49 AM

Early marriage is not uncommon in Indonesia. Indonesia laws allow girls to
marry at the age of 16. However, marriage before the age of 16 is possible
with the consent of the girl’s parents, and the religious court or an officer of
the government’s religious affairs office. Once married a girl is no longer
considered a child and no longer benefits from child protection rights.

Posted by: shiva at February 9, 2005 3:51 AM