In England there were about 150 suicides by female Muslims and after one case turned out to be a Honour-killing disguised as suicide the
Police are now reviewing all the files and
are approachingthem as homocides by the spouse
or relative.

In Canada we had a recent honour killing by a Muslim couple from Pakistan,I concluded that the murder was a biproduct of a immigration scam by the husband to marry a Canadian to get his Citizenship.
Canadians know the case of Farah Khan and she was their Daughter that the husband wanted killed
because he was the step-Father and I think she was the Daughter of the Wifes deceased prevous
husband,they tried to resort to "Shariah-Law"
as the blame for obeying the Quran to have a Honour-killing. It was a ugly murder that shocked
everyone and of course the PC media avoided identifying them as "Muslims" and the trial Daily
reports revealed this fact months after the news items.

This case has me wondering about how safe the "Tsunami Orphans" are when CAIR and the world Islamic Org.'s demanded that the Muslims kids don't get poisoned by the Christianization"
of Western adoptions,if "Shariah-law" has such little value on human life how secure will the orphans be in Muslim households with non-biological parents.

Posted by: ala-sux at February 27, 2005 5:50 PM

God Almighty, even at 13 they're such bloodthirsty little jackals. Brainwashed from day one. Their soul, their humanity, their compassion obliterated. You'd think honor-killings would die out, like many repulsive habits and customs of other cultures. I think even the Sicilians got up to this lunacy until recently, but Islam doesn't move forward. Never will. They ensure their young ones are indoctrinated in the backward, tribal mindset, to show absolutely no respect for the laws of the land they live in.

How many more women will die? Not many, just a few here and there on an occasional basis. That's all that's needed. A few examples for deterrents. Don't marry your 48-year old cousin and you'll end up like that Hatin girl! Great way to keep their girls in line.

Posted by: feralee at February 27, 2005 9:03 PM

'several 13-year-old pupils are said to have implied that they thought Mrs Sürücü had "earned" her death. "Well, she lived like a German, didn't she?" remarked one...'

Maybe the Bundes-dhimmis running Germany should give up trying to integrate the muslims. Afterall, those that do try and integrate are just going to get themselves killed.

Posted by: Belisarius at February 27, 2005 10:51 PM

Incidentally, the practice of forcing women to marry their first cousins promotes a quite substantial amount of inbreeding. Cousins, are, on average, at about 15% relationship to each other, which means that consanguinity in their offspring is roughly 3%. This doesn't seem like much initially - but of course add up the relative rate over 1400/20 (total # years of the existence of islam/average generation time) = approx. 70 generations. I think one can see the shockingly high potential level of inbreeding that would result. Not a smart societal practice.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at February 27, 2005 10:54 PM

200,000 Muslims in Berlin just 15 years after the fall of the wall? Berlin? The cold war haven for young West German men avoiding military service, the banks, the discos, the nightlife, the wall, the poverty, the hopelessness, the absurd cold war contraditions; but this is the greatest contradiction and the greatest surprise of all. Or am I the only one?

Posted by: JTF at February 27, 2005 10:55 PM

Ala-sux: By raising the issue of the Pakistani "honor killer" who seems to have immigrated to Canada as a spouse, you have shown a good reason why immigration law needs to have a few teeth.

Posted by: Kepha at February 28, 2005 12:37 AM

God Almighty, even at 13 they're such bloodthirsty little jackals. Brainwashed from day one. Their soul, their humanity, their compassion obliterated... Islam doesn't move forward. Never will. They ensure their young ones are indoctrinated in the backward, tribal mindset...

Posted by: feralee at February 27, 2005 09:03 PM

Beautiful, feralee--you hit the nail on the head. The absolute only way to put an end to the craziness is to educate all of our own kids to be able to evaluate our situation, which is all but impossible to do in the current school system in the U.S., thanks to the work done by the Three Stooges, Kant, Hegel, and Marx.

Their crap was brought into the U.S. by the sons of prominent American families who were sent to Germany, the homeland of the Three Stooges, during the period widely surrounding the Civil War to complete their studies.

The young Americans were sent there instead of to Britain because so many Americans were still pissed off because of the two wars only recently concluded with the Mother Country.

This was a grave misfortune for us, since while in Germany, our boys absorbed the thinking that has led to our current inability to think clearly about, and respond appropriately to, our current situation.

Since these young fellows were usually sons of families with connections that could help them get employment pretty much wherever they wanted, they flooded politics, journalism, and education, among others.

It wasn't too long before our policy makers, our publishers and editors, and our university professors were spouting the same trash as the Three Stooges.

Their legacy to us is the postmodern nihilist Left and their unholy alliance with the nihilist Islam. The alliance exists through the shared goal of each, the Left and Islam, of destroying the West and the rest of the infidel world.

What could be simpler? That's what nihilists DO--destroy stuff, including the human mind.

We really need to educate our own kids, since the schools won't.

You can do a lot by taking the material from Robert et al., and be sure your kids understand everything you can teach them about Muhammad, Islam, and what life would be like under them.

Be sure that you read your kids' "social studies" (that's history, geography, and civics to you "over 60" folks) textbooks, and correct the many errors with what you know to be the real deal.

Do it every day; let them know the truth about Islam; do not permit the Left to be their only source of information, because they are doing a white-wash job on islam that is designed to bring your children through the gates of Dhimmiland.

Posted by: cubed at February 28, 2005 8:09 PM

Cubed-

In maligning the Germans, you're forgetting that Lawrence of Arabia was British.

Posted by: kafira at February 28, 2005 9:17 PM

That's the point with Cubed. She talks a good game, but start looking at her "facts" and they fall apart. This nonsense about young men being sent to Germany after the Civil War neglects two small matters.

FIRST: Germany was universally acknowledged, throughout Europe, as having the best universities, and the largest number of them, right from the eighteenth century. That is still largely the case today. Russia, Britain and the British Empire, France, Spain, Italy, all imitated the German model. Germany had the leading scientists, linguists, doctors, historians (such names as Mommsen and Burckhardt are still and rightly hallowed); indeed, her enormous industrial growth after 1870 was caused largely by the intelligent application of scientific discoveries made in her university research department. It is not by chance that Germany has led the world in chemistry, an industry based on research, from then till now. Conversely, Britain, until the eighteen-sixties, had almost no educational establishment worth speaking of: two small universities in England, one each in Wales and Ireland, four in Scotland. What would any young American go to England for, except to improve his social manners? And Cubed does not seem to know that, from about 1860 to about 1925, Hegelism dominated English philosophy departments. Read C.S.Lewis and learn.

SECOND: long before the Civil War, the reactionary governments of pre-revolutionary Germany had been driving hundreds and thousands of its young, highly educated, professional graduates, eager for that thing called Liberty, across the ocean, where they were eagerly snapped up by the swiftly growing American university system (as well as by the American Army, newspaper world, and local politics - all of whom grew strong on German-born reinforcements). These people gave American universities an increasingly and noticeably Germanic tone. The Ph.D. title, unknown to British universities, and the M.A. one, unknown to England, were both brought to America by German teachers of a dozen disciplines, training their American students in any one of a dozen disciplines from philology to biology. So, if you want to complain about German influence, blame your fathers, who went and did what Americans at all times have always done: gone where the expertise was, and paid what they thought it was worth. Of course, if you want your country deprived of three-quarters of its historic universities, of all its science departments, and of most of its advanced studies, you are welcome to dream of it. It sounds rather Muslim to me.

Posted by: Paolo at February 28, 2005 11:13 PM

It's a sad situation for Muslim women. I have a feeling that some would actually leave, if they could. Some are too far gone into the Islamic way of thinking and life. These are the type who are likely complicit in the murder of their female relatives during these "honor" killings. Or supportive in some way. But I'm sure there's a segment of the Muslim female population who, while living in Western countries, see the opportunities, the possibilities, the freedoms, and want them for themselves. As they rightly should. But they don't dare venture out, because of examples such as these, in this article. Hatin Surucu. It's a terrifying threat to live with. Unreal and unimaginable. This shouldn't be happening in modern times, in our countries.

So not too many more women have to die, as in physically die, because examples like Hatin are deterrents. But so many more, perhaps tens of thousands, die inside. They die emotionally, spiritually. It's terrible.

What's worse is if our own society pussyfoots around the issue, afraid to offend, afraid to profile. We're condemning more women to die because of that.

Posted by: feralee at March 1, 2005 4:28 AM

cubed!

Right you are about Hegel and Marx, but to call Kant a stooge is a bit strange. A stooge of what?

Kant's "Critique of pure reason" is one of the best works ever written.

Kant was not aware of the barbaric background of Islam.

Posted by: nippon at March 1, 2005 8:16 AM