Yes. Know what the teachers are teaching.

That is, and always will be, the reason I continue to post links to inform the public of what their publics schools and colleges are indoctrinating their children in: Anti-Western, Anti-US, Anti-Christian thought:

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2236

http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-conflict/Articles/Pipes-2004-11-24.asp

http://www.blessedcause.org/clinton.html

http://www.therant.us/staff/shroder/california_schools_blatant_recruitment_to_islam_new_evidence_found.htm

Posted by: Gary at April 7, 2005 10:35 AM

Sound Vision has some Da'wa tips on how to "encourage" public schools to include Islam. See if you recognize some of these as being used at your child's school.

Posted by: epg at April 7, 2005 10:40 AM

"epg" has given a very userul link on the methods used by, recommended to, the tens of thousands (if not more) busy missionaries for Islam, propagandists beavering away at every level -- textbook writing and textbook adoption, show-and-tell Ramadan visits to schools, infiltration and promotion of Islamic goals and aims at every level, the financing (often with Saudi or other foreign money) of propaganda films about Islam or Muhammad (two of which, which do obvious violence to the truth, have been repeatedly shown on PBS statons.

Infidels do not bring the same maniacal fervor in ferreting out such propaganda efforts. We have been lackadaisical. We are easygoing. We cannot quite believe that it is going on, and going on not just here and there, but systematically. The link epg provides, and other Muslim sites, will show you just how premeditated and carefully worked-out it all is, from the long list of "dos and don'ts" in approaching, and attempting to gain favor for prayer-rooms in public schools and similar demands, from teachers and principals. There are even Muslim websites stressing the usefulness of offering an "exotic" meal as part of Muslim Outreach on campuses, or in mosques. Oh, it is all laid out.

And, of course, Muslims are told what to talk about, and what to carefully avoid talking about. What words to use, what themes to stress. It is all there -- the propagandea texts -- all on-line, or to be picked up, in booklet form, at your nearby mosque.

The problem is that most Infidels simply are put off by, discouraged by, even such words as "Qur'an" and "Hadith" and "Sira." They get nervous. They can easily be intimidated. They should not be. It is a very simple affair, really, for how could it be otherwise -- given that its adherents number in the hundreds of millions. While there are elements that become more complicated. It might take more of an effort to study what effect Islam has, not on the primitively fervent, but on the intelligent, silent dissenter who is born into Islam, who may realize how dangerous and malevolent so much of it is, but who prefers to put that out of his head and dwell on the supposedly soothing aspects of daily ritual, and is held in continued thrall by a mingling of motives -- filial piety (remembrance of a pious grandmother, perhaps), dislike of those Infidels who mock Islam but are themselves hardly admirable, embarrassment, fear not so much of death (especially if they live in the West) but of social ostracism, losing one's family, or possibly even the career-considerations, where being a "moderate" Muslim, at least if one is seeking work or prominence as a Young Muslim Voice, or as a Representative Bright Young Muslim Thing (see the noisy Irshad Manji, or the quiet wine-collumnist and pundit Fareed Zakaria, for two different examples).

But Islam itself is not hard to understand. There is no need to become learned in what Al-Ghazzali wrote in "The Incoherence of the Philosophers." Stick to the canonical texts, and the sensible commentaries by Western scholars. Arthur Jeffery was no fool; Joseph Schacht was no fool; Antoine Fattal was no fool. Read these people. Read what you can find at the websites of Ibn Warraq and Ali Sina and others. Read the archives at www.challenging-islam.com and simlar sites. That's all you need.

And remember that if you do not spread the word, and do not watch vigilantly over textbooks and teaching, that small army abroad in the land -- look at what Michael Sells does with his sanitized Qur'an, and look at those poor freshman at the University of North Carolina required to read that version, which is a guide to a false Islam. Look at that university, and consider the role, for examle, of Professor Carl Ernst (read on-line his casuistry on behalf of this sanitized pseudo-Qur'an, and you will not wonder why he was selected to receive the new Kuwaiti version of the King Faisal prize, one of those "services-to-Islam-through-supporting-greater-understanding-and-dialogue" affairs, with which, by now, we are all drearily familiar).

Those tens of thousands of full-time Muslim "missionaries" are conducting Da'wa and propaganda, largely unimpeded, or even observed (under the radar is the cleverest way), and meting, often, only with the naivete and good-hearted ignorance of Infidels who want so desperately to believe that nothing is fundamentally wrong with the "real" Islam, just the bad old Wahhabi or Salafi or "extremist" or some version -- they are not really quite sure which. But they know it is not the "real" Islam. And why? Well, because Muslims tell them so. And so does Michael Sells, and Carl Ernst, and Khaled Abou El Fadl. And half the membership of MESA Nostra. They couldn't all be deliberately misleading us, could they?

Tens of thousands of people come regularly to this website. If each of those regular visitors were to have made a thousand not business cards, but cards of the same size, listing five or six of the best, most informative sites on Islam, and were to make a point to hand them out, to friends, colleaguees, someone you engage in conversation at the dry cleaners or the bookstore, or standing in line at the Post Office or the supermarket, or waiting patiently at the taxi hazard, first engaging in some conversation about Iraq, or Saudi Arabia, or the price of oil, or taking a plane -- you know how to start that conversation going that will lead, inevitably, to your explaining that you have been, on your own, "studying Islam" and you are amazed and concerned at how little people seem to know about this "belief-system" or "ideology" (do not call it a "religion"). Try, if you can, to work the words "dhimmi" and "dhimmitude" into the conversation -- and then helpfully explain what these words mean, and how under Islam non-Muslims have been treated, from 700 until the present, from Spain to the East Indies.

Make sure they take that card. Tell them how enlightening they will find articles at those websites. Include, at a minimum, the following:

www.jihadwatch.com
www.secularislam.org
www.faithfreedom.org
www.dhimmitude.org
www.challenging-islam.org

Add others, to taste. If you can mention "Why I Am Not a Muslim," or mention how useful ex-Muslims are as "defectors" in explaining the nature of Islam -- that too would be useful. Right now, all over the Western world, Muslims are working full-time (at CAIR, but also in a thousand little local CAIR-like groups) to promote Islam, and of course misunderstanding of Islam. This has to be countered.

Posted by: Hugh at April 7, 2005 11:35 AM

I don't know what to make of this. Are muslims trying to make islam into something it is not i.e. are they trying to promote a benign islam ? Why are they so obsessed with teaching non-muslims about misunderstanding of islam ? Surely their target audience should be the self detonating jihadis that cause mayhem. Why the heck does anybody pay any attention to these muslim groups ? Why do people pander to this stupid, superstitious, third world cult ?

Posted by: ReligionOfPeaceMyArse at April 7, 2005 11:56 AM

So why is Mohammadanism ok to teach in schools, but Christianity is run right out of town. If creation was taught, the MSM would be showing me all the Americans protesting and calling for separation between church and state. I would hear the complaints about how their children are being indoctrinated into Christianity. I hear no such complaints about children being indoctrinated in Mohammadanism, maybe that is asking Americans to be a bit to politically incorrect. This PC, BS, is based upon feelings, not facts. If separation between church and state is what Americans truly want, then stop teaching all other religions except, Christianity. Only in doing this will they convince the rest of America that their motives are what they claim, until then, actions speak louder than words.

It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.
Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: Bar at April 7, 2005 2:09 PM

And Hitler liked dogs and cream cakes.

But if that's all we said about National Socialism the p.s. police would be blowing blood vessels from Berkeley to Boston.

Why the Candyland version of Islam?

Why the presumption of prejudice beforehand?

Why the apologetics?

Just give the facts, ma'am. Just the facts.

Mohammad married a 6 year old, but waited till she was 9 before he took her to bed.

With the Michael Jackson trial going on, this would be the most relevant fact about this religion and its founder for the young minds to grasp in our schools.

And then tell the rest of the sordid story of 'submission'. (Who wrote this b.s. about Islam meaning "peace"? Can't they even Google?)

Now that I have torn my hair out, I'm going to go walk my 'unclean' dogs, and maybe have a BLT and some Chardonnay when we get back.

THE P.C. MADNESS rolls on....

Posted by: BigSleep at April 7, 2005 3:28 PM

"...Tens of thousands of people come regularly to this website. If each of those regular visitors were to have made a thousand not business cards, but cards of the same size, listing five or six of the best, most informative sites on Islam.."

Posted by: Hugh at April 7, 2005 11:35 AM

Great idea! Since they would be inexpensive to print off, some could be printed in black on fluorescent yellow paper (to make them highly visible and easily noticed), and left on bus seats, park benches, counters in department stores, etc.

BTW, Co-Jet.org has some graphics--a red nullification symbol over black words like "sharia," "dhimmitude," and "jihad." I've printed it off and taped it to the inside of my rear car window. Maybe one or two of the most useful sites could be hand printed along the bottom.

In addition, there is an online book, "Islam Undressed," by Vernon Richards, that is a great overview of Islam from start to finish.

Another BTW: If you want to take a look at the syllabus, go to www.teachtci.com/curriculum/mwh_toc.asp. From this syllabus, it is apparent that there are six chapters on all of Europe, and five on Islam. Now THERE'S an equivalency!

Posted by: cubed at April 7, 2005 3:38 PM

Sorry--forgot to tell you; "Islam Undressed" was linked from TheReligionofPeace.com. There have been some problems with the server, so IU has been temporarily consigned to the ether. You can still get it at http://126.198.64.171/ (I think). In any case, TROP and the author are working on getting the problem fixed, and I urge you to take a look at it when it is available.

The reason I'm recommending it is not only because Robert did, but because as an overview, it would make a great resource for our kids' teachers, for parents, and even as a textbook for older middle school and high school students. There are no lies of commission or omission, and no "talking down," so parents would have to help younger children with the content.

Posted by: cubed at April 7, 2005 3:52 PM

Sorry--forgot to tell you; "Islam Undressed" was linked from TheReligionofPeace.com. There have been some problems with the server, so IU has been temporarily consigned to the ether. You can still get it at http://126.198.64.171/ (I think). In any case, TROP and the author are working on getting the problem fixed, and I urge you to take a look at it when it is available.

The reason I'm recommending it is not only because Robert did, but because as an overview, it would make a great resource for our kids' teachers, for parents, and even as a textbook for older middle school and high school students. There are no lies of commission or omission, and no "talking down," so parents would have to help younger children with the content.

Posted by: cubed at April 7, 2005 3:52 PM

Oops. Sorry for the double...

Posted by: cubed at April 7, 2005 3:53 PM

Once again I'm off subject, but I recieved an email from Kristine Withers, the woman in New York being sued by CAIR.

Dear Mr.. R******,

Thank you for your support, I could use your support. Especially in light of the news this morning that they got two 16 year girls from NYC, who were going to be suicide bombers. I do need the help with my lawyer fees. But I do not know how to really set that up. I am usually one of those self sufficient types, I am not really used of asking for help. If you have any idea how, please let me know.

Kristine Withers.

My Response:

Ms Withers,

The first thing to do is post this email on JihadWatch, FaithFreedom, and LittleGreenFootballs web sites and see what kind of response we get.

I would hope an American attorney would take this case on a pro-bono basis, but that's something you will have to look into.

Second, take out an advertisement in the NY times on your plight and call the paper - have your story ready for a reporter. This could make national news, and I hope that it does.

Call 60 minutes, Bill O'Reilly, and any other conservative paper or news show you can think of. Not all suffer from from dhimminitude.

NY senator Charles Schumer does not suffer from dhimminitude, in fact quite the contrary. His number is 202-224-6542. It's well known he does not care for this sort of thing, and perhaps a phone call or two could nip this thing in the bud, or have the law suit dropped.

There are a lot of people in this country who don't care much for CAIR who is no doubt involved in this law suit. There's help out there, you just have be more proactive in recruiting it.

In the interim, I'll go to the web start to work. All is not lost, but most of all don't give up hope!

Keep me posted.

-----------------------------------
Any input from here?

Posted by: BillR at April 7, 2005 4:25 PM

I wonder if any teacher or administrator would have the courage to read to a high school class the following advice column about wife beating (ever so slightly and only when disobedience is frequent); This is a sort of Dear Omar Q&A from Islamonline.

What does Islam say about wives beating?
7/1/2004 2:00:00 PM GMT


Anti-Islam debaters misuse the Noble Verse 4:34 and wrongly take it as a point against Islam.

In this verse Allah Almighty has allowed men to slightly beat their wives in certain situations to stop them if they crossed God's limits regarding the husband's rights, but never allowed harsh beating, as how we see men beating their wives nowadays.

Allah said in Qur’an:

"Men [as husbands] are responsible for their women because God has made the one superior to the other [in different spheres] and because they spend of their wealth. Therefore, righteous women are obedient [to their husbands] and guard their secrets as God has also guarded secrets. As for those from whom you fear refusal of obedience, admonish them and [if this does not effect their behavior then] leave them alone on their beds and [if even this does not effect their behavior then] beat them." Qur'an (4: 34)

The above verse can be explained in two ways. Firstly, it is clearly stated in this verse that men might only beat their wives in the case of "Nushooz" or disobedience. In fact, Allah Almighty has allowed beating wives as the last resort for husbands, a man should warn his wife first, and if she is still stubborn, then he may stop sleeping with her, and then if she is still disobeying him then he might beat her (slightly).

Another explanation says that the Arabic word: "idribuhunna" used in the Noble Verse 4:34 above is derived from "daraba" which means "beat". The issue with all of the Arabic words that are derived from the word "daraba" is that they don't necessarily mean "hit". The word "idribuhunna" for instance, could very well mean to "leave" them. It is might be like telling someone to "beat it" or "drop it" in English.

Wife beating anytime and for any reason is prohibited in Islam.

Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:

“ Do not retain them (i.e., your wives) to harm them...” Qur'an (2:231)"

In this verse Allah forbids husbands from keeping their wives with the intention of harming them.

Also Qur’an states that if life has become impossible and unbearable between husband and wife, they should go separate peacefully:

“If a wife fears cruelty or desertion on her husband's part, there is no blame on them if they arrange an amicable settlement between themselves; and such settlement is best; even though men's souls are swayed by greed. But if you do well and practice self-restraint, God is well-acquainted with all that you do. Qur'an (4:128)"

Male dominance- even if it wasn't physically abusive- is not allowed in Islam, for it will eventually threaten the marriage and result in a divorce. Husbands should not try to force their wives to change. Some husbands (Muslim or non-Muslims) have the tendency to show some dominance by trying to impose certain rules upon their wives, in a hope that their wives would start living or acting the way their husbands want them to live or act. For that matter, requests for small changes (form either wife or husband) is okay, but for the basic things such as beliefs or habits should be accepted as is.

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) ordered Muslim husbands to accept their wives as they are, treat them kindly and equally; according to the following “hadith” narrated by Mu'awiyah al-Qushayri:

"I went to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) and asked him: What do you say (command) about our wives? He replied: Give them food as what you have for yourself, and clothe them as you clothe yourself, and do not beat them, and do not revile them."

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) ordered Muslim wives not to provoke their husbands allowing them to lose their tempers and so beat them, he (PBUH) also advised Muslim husbands not to over react with their wives, for this provokes the wife to disobey her husband and thus giving husbands the right to beat them (but again not harsh beating).

Brutally beating the wives and causing bruises and damages to their bodies is clearly prohibited in Islam. And because Islam gives his respect to dignity of the individual, Prophet Mohammad forbad striking on the face for anyone, even slaves, not just for wives, because it is mere humiliation.

As narrated AbuHurayrah:

Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) said:

"When one of you inflicts a beating, he should avoid striking the face."

Posted by: maryrose at April 7, 2005 6:18 PM

Yes, maryrose, those nasty bits should certainly get an airing, but they won't of course. Just the sanitized, filtered, whitewashed, G-rated version, fed to our kids, like candies. The other thing that should get taught by teachers is that Sistani's list of filthy things. The list where non-Muslims are in the same category as excrement and urine and other nasty things. Afterall, that is what they are teaching their own kids to think about non-Muslims, about our kids.

Posted by: feralee at April 7, 2005 10:00 PM

I would like to look into the Withers case and, if possible under the legal venue, file an Amicus Curiae brief. I've grown very sick and tired of censorious bullies of my own and other religions censoring everyone right and left (and by other religions, I include logical-positicism, Darwinism, nihilism, and Marxism, as well as Islam) with threats of lawsuits. This is one reason why I've often suggested waiting until a hate speech law gets passed, pick on statements against Christians, Jews, conservatives, or other currenty unpopular groups, and sue the untenured prof, imam, or other vulnerable party who makes them. Only then will the Left rediscover the First Amendment's applicability to people other than themselves.

Do you think we could get an injunction against CAIR re filing similar suits? Charge harassment or similar things?

Posted by: Kepha at April 7, 2005 11:40 PM

In response to Kristine Withers, try the Thomas More Law Center. It is the ACLU's nemesis but might be too right-wing to suit you. I don't know anything about the case or you but I know this firm has helped many people. Thomas More Law Center, 3475 Plymouth Road, Suite 100, Ann Arbor, MI 48105-2550
Phone-734-827-2001

To ReligionofPeace--Muslims are trying to silence Islam's critics because they know if the truth about Islam is ever exposed to the Western masses, muslims will not be tolerated in our midst. You do realize that most Americans know absolutely NOTHING ABOUT ISLAM except what they hear from the apologists and from muslims themselves? That's why organizations like CAIR file lawsuits against people who tell the truth about Islam, accusing them of "racism", "bigotry", "slander", "libel", or whatever trumped up charge they can think of.

The Islamic advocacy groups like CAIR are stifling our right to free speech and ruining many lives and reputations in their frantic efforts to keep Americans from learning the truth about Islam. They exaggerate and lie about discrimination and "hate" crimes against muslims, and blame nonexistent attacks against muslims on "Islamophobia." They are using our Constitution and freedoms against us to advance their agenda. It is absolutely imperative that they obfuscate, deceive, and lie about Islam because when the truth gets out, muslims will be pariahs, and justly so. They want everyone to think they are just ordinary, law-abiding citizens who love America and nothing could be farther from the truth. I would bet that over 75% of the muslims in America advocate the jihadist agenda and support it in some way.

Once the Islamic agenda is exposed and muslims are under close and constant scrutiny by millions of kafirs, it will be very difficult for them to achieve their goal, which is to eventually abolish the Constitution and turn America into another Saudi Arabia. They are arrogant subversives who must be stopped. Our entire way of life has changed because of muslims and they simply aren't worth it.

I cannot answer your question about why people pander to muslims and try to appease their demands. I would prefer to deport them all, starting with the rabid Wahabi clerics and the female ghouls who slither around in shrouds and rubber- soled shoes. If they want to be invisible, let them vanish into oblivion in the Islamic hellhole of their choice.

Posted by: Susanp at April 7, 2005 11:46 PM

Last time I was Stateside, an elderly and very liberal acquaintance expressed nostalgia over how the public schools of her youth "transmitted the culture". I politely refrained from pointing out how eager lawyers and radicalized disciples of John Dewey got the schools into the business of actively destroying the culture and falsifying its history.

Further, I'm old enough to know that the radicalization of the academ wasn't accomplished by superior scholarship, but by sit-ins and demonstrations. I think a great deal of the irrational terror people in academia and the MSM have of Redstaters voting their consciences is that since our current "intellectual elite" so gleefully indulged in creative axe-grinding throughout its career, it imputes its own values, methods, and general moral irresponsibility to everyone else.

Posted by: Kepha at April 7, 2005 11:48 PM

The threat of censorship has become so serious that it seems adivsable that anyone in academia preparing to speak out on Islam should first be armed with liability insurance to help cover legal costs in the event of a lawsuit.

The bright side of this: the cost of the insurance should be a tax deduction because it is required by your job.

Posted by: JTF at April 8, 2005 12:14 AM

BillR,

Those are damned good ideas. Tell her to call conservative radio stations too and...what the hell...socialist that I am, even try the ACLU. I would be stunned if they did anything but laugh, but why not? At least make them eat their own bloody irony. Call Rush Limbaugh too. Frankly, conservative radio listeners outnumber liberal ones. Radio's a good place to start.

Could you be the liason for Ms. Withers, so that we keep abreast of her situation? If there's anything that can be done to help, let us know - or maybe email Robert, since I have little doubt CAIR also reads this website. Best to keep the enemy of free speech guessing. =)

Right, Dougie?

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 8, 2005 12:59 AM

I dont care a fart about the anti-Christian part, but the rest are pretty bad. Not like any of this is news anyway! Yes Im a Hindu "fundamentalist, fanatic, militant, extremist". And hence countless studies proving missionary transgressions of law and basic ethics will be rebuked for they were on the side of the 'Hindu fascist saffron brigade'. Hence the life of one christian missionary personnel (eg. Graham Staines) deserves a million times more recognition than few hundred thousand hindus living as refugees in their own land (read Kashmiri pundits). No so-called 'human rights' NGO or committee worth its salt cares a fiddle about this. After all they belong to the 'communal hate-mongering majority'

Posted by: Tushar Saxena at April 8, 2005 1:43 AM

Please encourage these folks to add a fairier collection of links to their choices as the none biased POV offer by them is in serious doubt. RMB to copy hyperlink email address I think

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Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 8, 2005 9:19 AM

Thanks for the Islam undressed link.
I have as well put advertising on my car. Im planning on handing out flyers at the theaters where the Kingdom of heaven movie is showing as well.
samples of the flyers are avaiable on my site.feel free to make your own from the templete

Posted by: KAOSKTRL at April 8, 2005 9:26 AM

BillR:

RE: Kristine Withers. Someone previously recommended this organization as taking on the ACLU; they might help.

http://www.aclj.org/

Posted by: CGW at April 8, 2005 1:15 PM