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Get out your handkerchiefs: this one's a real weeper. A Useful Idiot Alert from Eastern Michigan University's EchoOnline, with thanks to EPG:
"It felt like no one wanted to be near me."This is how Eastern Michigan student Zoe Piliafas summed up her winter semester. Her new isolation wasn't the result of being a bad or unpleasant person.
It was simply because she was -- at least, for this semester -- different.
To her professors and her classmates, she was not Zoe, an outgoing and outspoken student. She was Zhooda, a student with a soft Middle Eastern accent who wore a burka (sometimes spelled burqa or burkha), the heavy, concealing garment that became known to most Americans only when the media turned it into a symbol of the repression of women under the Taliban in Afghanistan.
"You're not seeing the body of a female," Piliafas said. "You're seeing a garment that represents female."
Under the supervision of political science professors Elaine Martin and James Ivers, Piliafas received independent study credit for wearing the burka the entire winter semester.
"Zoe kept a daily journal of her experiences," Martin said. "She met with me several times throughout the semester, wrote and conducted an e-mail survey for students and professors and turned in a final paper summing up the experience. She received one credit hour."
"I thought about this for probably three years," Piliafas said. "At first I had really strong judgment on it, and I thought, 'Well, what is this? Why would a woman have to cover herself from head to toe to stop someone else from looking at her?'
"I thought by telling a woman that she needs to be covered up, we're telling her that she's basically unworthy," she said. "But I don't think that's how Muslims view it. I think they view it as one so worthy that she can't be looked upon."
Up is down, black is white, good is evil and evil is good. If these people who are so worthy that they can't even be looked upon get out of line, beat them (Qur'an 4:34).
It was an EMU political science class that solidified Piliafas' interest in the subject."In one sense, Zoe's project began with a women and politics class in which we discussed some of the human rights issues during the Taliban control of Afghanistan, and other countries with similar practices, including 'honor killings,'" Martin said. "Zoe's interest was in women's rights."
"I wanted to say that you can't breathe underneath this, which you can't," Piliafas said. "I wanted to say that this is so inhibiting I couldn't run, which you can't. I wanted to say that you can't feel the sun on your face. You can't. You can't feel the wind on your face ... And you don't realize how much you miss those things until they're completely taken away.
"There isn't just a dress and then something you put over your head," she said. "There's something that goes on your arms ... and then you have the dress and then you have a headband that pulls your hair completely back so ... it never would be shown. And then you have a scarf that goes over all your hair and then you have a veil. So you have three layers of clothing on your head.
But none of this is bad, of course. What's bad is people who object: just as Islamic apologists routinely portray me as evil for pointing out what the jihadists say and do -- rather than point at the jihadists.
"But at the same time," she said, "Everything that I wanted to go in and say negative about this, I ended up finding more -- not positives -- but more negatives in the opposite direction. How people treat people dressed like this.""I can tell you that she did feel de-humanized, although that was not her only feeling," Martin said. "I think she wants to share her experience with others, in order to help us understand both why women may freely choose this and why some women may feel persecuted if they are forced to conform."
"The first day walking out in public without my boyfriend next to me, without someone else having knowledge of the study made it so strange," Piliafas said. "The reactions were completely different than anything I'd ever experienced. Staring. I felt uncomfortable. Nobody -- it felt like nobody wanted to be near me."
She also told of instances of blatant discrimination she encountered. Students laughing as she passed. One person referring to her as "ninja" to his friends. On an evening walk toward Halle Library, a group of students threw snowballs at her as she passed.
The difference in treatment was noticeable in her classes as well.
"People talked down to me, like I didn't have any intelligence -- and I have a 4.0," she said. "There were many instances where I was in a group setting, and normally I take on a leadership role. I wasn't even allowed the chance."...
The idea of a non-Muslim student dressing in a burka for a semester proved controversial. Some students in her classes were not only surprised to learn the truth but also irritated at what they considered to be "dishonesty" on her part. Some felt she was being disrespectful to Muslims -- although most Muslims she spoke to were supportive. She was even threatened once after she revealed herself to her classes.
When questioned about their stance on the project, most people seemed to be cautious but supportive.
"The motivations/ideology of the person performing the study could greatly influence the results or reporting of the results," said Arain Affan, a 1998 graduate of Northwestern University, 2001 graduate of the University of Chicago Law School and practicing Muslim. "Based on the description (provided by writer), it seems -- and I'd hope -- that the motivations of the person who did the study are without hidden agenda...
Right on, Affan! To think that some women might not want to wear burkas...well, that would be evidence of a sinister "hidden agenda."
Posted by Robert at April 22, 2005 8:19 AM
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Boo frikety hoo.
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at April 22, 2005 9:06 AM
"Under the supervision of political science professors Elaine Martin and James Ivers, Piliafas received independent study credit for wearing the burka the entire winter semester."
Unbelievable! If ever I read anything that gives truth to GB Shaw's contention that "them that can do and them that cannot, teach" it's stories like this.
at April 22, 2005 9:08 AM
She could hide at least four agendas under a burka.
Posted by: Beagle at April 22, 2005 10:00 AM
Ignorant little phony apologist. How about going to Suadi and wearing Western clothes, and then seeing how "dehumanized" you feel when they drag you away to be stoned to death.
Posted by: kj at April 22, 2005 10:14 AM
"Damnit! You're a princess, and you'll understand that if I have to beat you to death!"
Fits in with "we had to destroy the village to save it", although I hear that's apocryphal.
[Sharia logic]
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at April 22, 2005 10:38 AM
"But I don't think that's how Muslims view it. I think they view it as one so worthy that she can't be looked upon."
Yeah. That's why they throw acid on your face and flog you when you dare go out without it. Just because they view you as soooo worthy.
at April 22, 2005 11:29 AM
Darkly humourous parallel:
In the Christian Gospels, Mary Magdelene poured perfume on the feet of Jesus because, as tradition goes, the perfume was not worthy of him but she had nothing else to give.
In islam, the acid that's poured on the faces of women without veils is also presumably not worthy of them; but, of course, it's all islam has to give.
Sleep is better than prayer.
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at April 22, 2005 12:02 PM
I am just about dumbstruck ! Her experience is pretty much to be expected.
Posted by: ReligionOfPeaceMyArse at April 22, 2005 12:04 PM
Midway through the semester, Piliafas blew her cover during a group project when she shook the hand of a new male group mate. Another group mate, a Muslim man who saw the handshake, immediately knew something was wrong.
"You ever do something and you realize the moment that you did it you should not have done that?" she said. "He (the Muslim group mate) immediately asked to speak with me outside. And I was anxious ... He asked me what my philosophy was, what books I was reading -- meaning Arabic books -- that I couldn't even repeat ... I thought, 'Maybe I'll turn the question to him' because he asked me if I was Muslim, and I said 'Are you?' And he said, 'Yes I am, but more importantly, are you?'"
She felt she owed the man an explanation and, in the hallway outside her classroom, explained her project, her methods and her purpose. She didn't know what to expect from him but was surprised by his reaction.
"He thanked me probably four or five times for doing the project, for taking an interest in the Muslim community,"
Oh my goodness, imagine that a dirty unworthy woman shook a man's hand. Must have been because she was just too special to touch a man?
I loved the part about the kids calling her a "ninja" - that is great.
I don't know about everyone else here, but when I see islamic dress, I feel that they might as well be wearing a swastika.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 22, 2005 12:45 PM
What a silly, silly girl. It's hard to believe kids can be this stupid these days.
Posted by: igor at April 22, 2005 1:20 PM
From Carolyn2's posting just above comes an excerpt in the full story:
"Midway through the semester, Piliafas blew her cover during a group project when she shook the hand of a new male group mate. Another group mate, a Muslim man who saw the handshake, immediately knew something was wrong.
"You ever do something and you realize the moment that you did it you should not have done that?" she said.
He (the Muslim group mate) immediately asked to speak with me outside. And I was anxious ... He asked me what my philosophy was, what books I was reading -- meaning Arabic books -- that I couldn't even repeat ... I thought, 'Maybe I'll turn the question to him' because he asked me if I was Muslim, and I said 'Are you?' And he said, 'Yes I am, but more importantly, are you?'"
She felt she owed the man an explanation and, in the hallway outside her classroom, explained her project, her methods and her purpose. She didn't know what to expect from him but was surprised by his reaction.
"He thanked me probably four or five times for doing the project, for taking an interest in the Muslim community.."
One might note the idiocy of a girl who thinks that having a "4.0 average" is an indication of high intelligence, a girl who babbles in business-speak about "taking a leadership role," who cannot see why her little project, hardly a secret from everyone, might amuse others, and some might therefore mock this "Muslim" girl but of this "pretend-Muslim" girl, a girl who fails to realize that Infidels, even if they thought she had been a real Muslim, have a perfect right to regard those who wear that kind of outfit in this country (if they are not joking, or getting one-credit semester hours for their performance) are exhibiting an outward and visible sign not only of their being Muslims, but being quite fervent and even fanatical in their faith, or at least willing to follow the dictates of some Muslim male who, cock of the walk, rules that particular roost. Why should Infidels not exhibit their own feelings, of mockery, of wariness, of mistrust, of dislike, of hostility, given what the last few years have demonstrated about Islamic beliefs, and about the real loyalties of Muslims, and the central tenets (beyond the pillars of prayer, fasting, tithing, and so on)of Jihad to spread Islam. It would be bizarre for non-Muslims not to feel, and forever to conceal, that mistrust and hostility. Indeed, it is useful to demonstrate it, to make those who remard you with hostility to be put on notice that you now understand them, and can no longer be fooled.
This silly girl, wasting her college years dressing up in a burqa to conduct the most banal exercise, and forgetting the stifling nature of what her self-imposed imprisonment -- if only, for a minute, she asked herself what it would be like if it were not a "one-hour credit" she was earning, but would have to dress that way for the rest of her life, and so would her Muslim daughters, and their daughters, and every female she knew, and that in some countries she would not be permitted to study with men, to leave the house without a male relative, to walk unaccompanied to that same school cafeteria to talk to Infidel men, or perhaps even -- horrors -- to shake the hand of a man. This is a girl who is completely uncomprehending of her own lived experience. She is unable to make sense of things. She assigns meanings that do not make sense, and ignores the real meanings of things.
The most telling incident is that, to be found in the full text of the relevant article. After she forgets herself and inadvertently shakes hands with a man, a Muslim male student demands to speak to her, and the implied menace in his own behavior turns to smiles when he realizes he is dealing not with a real Muslim who needs to be punished for shaking hands with a man, but one more of those confused and easily manipulated non-Muslim girls who earns his gratitude by so clearly promising to endow with precisely the wrong meaning her little experiment.
He would have threatened a real Muslim girl with a beating, or worse. The gullible pretend-Muslim, who felt she owed this complete stranger an explanation (why -- because he is a Muslim, and every female Muslim must explain her actions to any male Muslim who comes along and demands one?) "explained her project, her methods and her purpose." And to her surprise, "He thanked me probably four or five times for doing the project, for taking an interest in the Muslim community..."
To her suyrprise. But not to ours. We know exactly why he "thanked" her, "probably four or five times." She will blame the Infidels for their atrociously unsympathetic behavior toward her in her burqa. Oh, how that once-threatening-now-smiling Muslim man wishes there were more like her, taking exactly that kind of "interest in the Muslim community." Just what that Muslim community needs -- the complete fool, the useful idiot, beyond possibility of parody.
Yes, many more.
Posted by: Hugh
at April 22, 2005 1:53 PM
Hugh:
More dangerous than this gormless student, many times over, are the two teachers involved.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 22, 2005 2:04 PM
You have a point. It's the problem that won't go away: Si peu d'esprits, et tant de sots.
And, as Ricky Gervais said recently, there's only so much time in the day.
Posted by: Hugh at April 22, 2005 2:22 PM
I'd rather be dipped in feces than have to wear one of those black crow suits. One good thing, is that 'islam' may have lost a potential 'revert' since obviously this young girl didn't like the islamic fashion code.
Posted by: Just_Linda at April 22, 2005 2:49 PM
I don't suppose she went for the whole kit an' kaboodle with a fgm?
No, didn't think so.
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 22, 2005 2:57 PM
Why shouldn't people naturally avoid her when she is wearing her ninja suit. That's why Muslim women are forced to wear them. You'd think she was a complete idiot or something!
Posted by: Jakester at April 22, 2005 3:12 PM
"I don't know about everyone else here, but when I see islamic dress, I feel that they might as well be wearing a swastika."
Once again, Moslems = Nazis, huh?
If Hitler hadn't genocided the Jews, would the Jews have flocked and fled to Israel, usurping the A-rab's own land? Naturally, the A-rabs were mad because these Jews were invading them like the Whites who invaded the Native Americans. Fifty years later, 9/11 happened because some dumbass A-rabs believe that America is controlled by the Jews.
If Hitler hadn't genocided the Jews, then maybe 9/11 wouldn't have happened.
Posted by: Ramaz at April 22, 2005 3:16 PM
So while "Blame-The-Jew" has always been a tactic of the Islamists, in this case, it actually makes sense to blame the Jews. They stubbornly lay claim to a chicken-strip of land. And they learned this stubbornness from the American colonials who genocided the Native Americans to extinction because of the belief of "Manifest Destiny."
Posted by: Ramaz at April 22, 2005 3:24 PM
But the real solution is not to give up the land to either the Jews or the A-rabs. The real solution is to dump tons of radioactive waste on that little chicken-strip of land, and kick them both out. See how they like it then.
Posted by: Ramaz at April 22, 2005 3:26 PM
Yes, Ramaz I think of Nazism. When the jihadists have plainly stated that they intend to establish a worldwide caliphate, I think of a swastika. Islam is not compatible with our way of life, the women who dress in the veils are clearly rejecting the west, so I must believe that they are here as colonists.
Here is a site you should read.
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 22, 2005 3:59 PM
Ramaz:
Before you talk about rights to the "chicken strip" perhaps you should study the demographics of the region prior to the early "aliyahs" by Eastern European Jews in the early 1800s. Jerusalem, Safed and two other cities were predominantly populated by Jews, followed by Christians and lastly by Muslims, who were Bedouins and not given to settling down anywhere for any great period of time.
You might also cast some attention toward the special treatment "Arab refugees" received from the UNRWA's predecessor agency on the scene as opposed to the way they count refugees from other conflicts. As few as two years was sufficient in their case. In other words, many of the people claiming a long connection to the lands west of the Jordan were no more than economic migrants from the larger region who likely came to enjoy the better economic situation that followed the arrival of Jewish settlers.
Lastly, you might want to consider the fact that lands were acquired by legal purchases through the Arab waqfs and many Arabs who did flee, did so because they were urged to do so by their leadership and stayed in camps, also because they were councilled to do so.
Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 22, 2005 4:44 PM
OK Ramaz, if its a chicken-strip of land, then why don't the islamic nations around there piss off and live on the rest of the chicken?
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at April 22, 2005 6:45 PM
Granny:
Double LOL!
What part of UK are you living in ?(if you can tell me vaguely or in code or something..) Is it still in same area as where you grew up?
I| can't imagine living in a society where every male is your prospective murderer. Or rather, I can, but I'd rather not.
Posted by: Silvester
at April 22, 2005 7:17 PM
This has nothing to do with this useful idiot's little game of charades, but it's a lovely example of muslim insanity that I'm sure she'll never hear about:
Pakistani says he sacrificed wife, four children for
Muslim festival
KARACHI (AFP) - A Pakistani schoolteacher who was
arrested for allegedly killing his wife and four
children said that he sacrificed them to mark the
birth anniversary of the Prophet Mohammed.
He "sacrificed" his family in honor of Muhammad's birthday. The great death cult of Islam has claimed five more innocent lives, sacrificed at the altar of insanity. He cut their throats in tribute to the king of the throat slitters, Muhammad.
It is so depressing to see people like this student and so many others, especially our government, defend Islam and muslims when they don't know a damn thing about Islam. What is it going to take to open their eyes? Are the daily atrocities committed by muslims every day of the year, all over the world, not evidence that something is terribly wrong with Islam? I guess not.
at April 22, 2005 11:28 PM
Wearing the burqa made her take on a typical Muslim characteristic: whining victim. Oh boo hoo, poor me, they're being mean to me, they don't want to be near me, boo hoo, nasty people! I wonder if CAIR will take this story and run with it. Probably even add the instances of "discrimination" against her to their tally of anti-Muslim hatred.
And where she claims that she normally takes on a leadership role, she blames other for not letting her. Sounds more like she was in victim mode and didn't stand up for herself. Which is what the burqa is meant to do.
at April 23, 2005 12:00 AM
What's her next project, black face?
Humming "Mammy" across campus, and delving into the 'real experience of the downtrodden'?
These slumming pseudo-intellectuals don't realize that they insult the millions of women who are enslaved into this costume-prison, under pain of death, by cavalierly putting it on for 1 credit, and then throwing it off with no more consequence than discarding a baby pacifier after an ecstacy rave.
"Burqa Like Me" indeed.
Posted by: BigSleep at April 23, 2005 2:02 AM
Silvester
My parents moved into a.n.other borough in district E. at the end of the war. In adulthood I live in the Land of the White Stiletto.
Where are you, in similar terms?
Posted by: Granny Weatherwax at April 23, 2005 2:41 AM
Until a few years ago, I viewed the burqa as a curious and outdated costume of Arab women. I felt sorry for them, but mostly ignored it as I didn't think it had anything to do with me. But now that I've learned more about Islam, I view the burqa with revulsion.
Worn in non-Arab countries it is a political statement, an in-our-face sign of contempt towards non-Muslim women. Their menfolk view women who don't cover up to be loose-moralled and "asking for it". Look at the rapes of Western women by Muslim youth whose minds have been bent and twisted to equate morality with wearing the living room drapes. That's what they are teaching their son's while living amongst us. Revolting.
You can be the most conservative, pious woman around and you're labelled a whore because you don't dress like a 7th Century Arab. It is a sign of their completely misplaced arrogance and self-perceived but false superiority and piety. While they view unveiled women as decadent and immoral, they think they're pious and moral while practising and condoning spouse abuse, the murder of women who don't submit to total control, genital mutilation, & incestuous, forced and child marriages. A totally whacked out, screwed up, and twisted code of morality. Give me a society where women feel free to bare their belly buttons or not, versus one where they view covering 98% of your body to be the most important thing while stomping on basic human rights.
And don't even bother to try to convince me that a Muslim woman CHOOSES to wear such a ridiculous get-up. If she's not beaten or censured, she'd be ostracised and treated like a whore by her own community, her own family. Some French Muslim girls learned that painful lesson in Parisian banlieues.
Posted by: feralee at April 23, 2005 2:55 AM
Granny:
A lot of chicks and ducks and geese where I live!
I'm still pondering over yours!
at April 23, 2005 3:28 AM
Silvester
I think I have you taped, is your air bracing?
at April 23, 2005 4:52 AM
Granny:
I suppose it could be, and if it is too bracing, there's always the isinglass curtains.
Posted by: Silvester at April 23, 2005 5:47 AM
Ladies and gentlemen, a word of advice:
Do NOT post personal details on here, except in the most general way. There are people reading this who hate you, and who would absolutely harm you if they could - not to browbeat our troll again, but Shurki by admission and deduction falls into this general category.
Be careful, and all the best,
Geoff
Posted by: Geoff at April 23, 2005 2:51 PM
I found some information at the link I posted above, I had heard that Indian women threw themselves into the funeral pyre of their husbands, but never knew why. Read this explaination, islam again.
To enlighten the people who are ignorant about "Sati" Pratha in India, this custom was a result of Muslim oppression and brutality. The Hindu women of India, in order to save their honour, used to jump into the fire after their husbands were brutally murdered by Muslim invaders. The question that arises from this is why did they jump into the fire and kill themselves? Why didn't they just poison themselves? The reason for this is that the lecherous necrophiliac muslim invaders did not even leave the dead bodies alone. Yes, they had sex even with the dead bodies! How disappointing it must have been for them to find nothing, but ashes.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 23, 2005 3:16 PM
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html
This site has a lot of information on islam.
Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 23, 2005 3:18 PM
This is what is required of dhimmis:
They are not to build any new places of worship.
They are not to repair any old places of worship which have been destroyed by the muslims.
They are not to prevent muslim travellers from staying in their places of worship.
They are to entertain for 3 days any Muslim who wants to stay in their homes and for a longer period if the muslim falls ill.
They are not to harbor any hostility or give aid and comfort to hostile elements.
They are not to prevent any one of them from getting converted to Islam.
They have to show respect to every Muslim.
They have to allow Muslims to participate in their private meetings.
They are not to dress like muslims.
They are not to name themselves with Muslim names.
They are not to ride on horses with saddle and bridle.
They are not to possess arms.
They are not to wear signet or seals on their fingers.
They are not to sell or drink liquor openly
They are to wear a distinctive dress which shows their inferior status and separates them from Muslims.
They are not to propagate their custom and usages among the muslims.
They are not to build their houses in the neighbourhood of muslims.
They are not to bring their dead near the graveyards of the muslims.
They are not to observe their religious practices publicly or mourn their dead loudly.
They are not to buy muslim slaves.
at April 23, 2005 3:27 PM
This reminds me of a women I met that was a Christian and played these type of games with people in an attempt to deal with some unresolved personal issue from failed relationships with men.
Her shtick was to be rude and see if anyone would care enough to help,the problem was she set up a no-win situation by choosing either a apathetic or judgemental response depending on how the victim reacted.
The major problem was paranoia and her desire to prove she knew what other were thinking about her but would never say aloud,I gave her a lift home a couple of times because of mutual social events and extremely cold weather.
Since it's not my job to solve peoples problems
I learned to take people at face value,on the way to her home she started chewing gum and had quite the wad in her cheek.
She began to chew with her mouth open and slowly chomped louder as if to see at what point I'd speak up,she then leaned over while smacking and popping the gum and asked me "Doesn't this noise bother you",I said yes but I'm not to judge people based on their upbringing.
Amazingly she said if I cared I would have spoke up to correct me,later on I did speak up about her tactless questioning in public that
deal with private matters that are none of her business. I was now accused of being insensitive
and judgemental,she then claimed I had a crush on her and was trying to hurt her out of childish
revenge from when she perceived my hurt from the gum issue in my car.
I wonder how many male Muslims sat with her or was it just the infidels that ignored her?
at April 24, 2005 12:29 AM
Hey Ramaz , Mohammed started "genociding jews " in Medina - he failed , Hitler picked up the gauntelet - with the "volunteered moral support " of Mohammed's followers yet again - they failed .
Now here we are again, Mohammed's followers again , attempting to "genocide the jews " except this time the jews got nukes and their supporters got nukes and before the jews go down , if they go down [and they won't]....Mecca will be made into sand and glass .
Keep that in mind before you "kill your jew " in order to get into heaven .
Posted by: Excaliber at April 24, 2005 8:02 AM
oh ....and as far as all this pitiful "burka B.S. " ???
All should keep in mind , that muslim women are required to wear them under pain of death , or whatever other "cowardly act " muslim men can perpetrate against them [acid -face wash -a favorite, village gang rape another ], and those women who allege that they do so "voluntarily " are simply "parroting islams tenets " out of fear and intimidation , and have absolutely no hope of ever being considered anything other than sperm recepticles on a leash , with a sub-human status .
....did I leave out "human punching bags " ??
Posted by: Excaliber at April 24, 2005 8:10 AM
p.s. I wonder when the "honor killings" will begin in Michigan ?
Have sulphuric acid sales gone up yet ?
Muslim gals , watch out when hubby buys you a one-way ticket back home to "visit your relatives " .
at April 24, 2005 8:19 AM
"I think they view it as one so worthy that she can't be looked upon."
But, wait, that's the goal right? Not to be looked at?
"You're seeing a garment that represents female."
A female representation, not a person. Again, that's the point right? Not to look upon her as a person? To ensure no interaction?
"There were many instances where I was in a group setting, and normally I take on a leadership role. I wasn't even allowed the chance."...
Leadership roles require some body language on the part of the leader and those who would be lead, don't they?
I would like to see a study of babies reactions shown a regular face and a face covered up. With no smile visable I'm sure the babies would cry. I guess they would be considered "intolerant", too.
Posted by: Borg at April 24, 2005 11:45 AM
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