Imagine: They are on the defensive in their own country!

Posted by: Terminator at April 27, 2005 3:55 PM

The Sheik has a point. If she had encased herself in black pup tent instead of being so brazen as to parade "strapless, backless and sleeveless" within view of men born without impulse control, she could have averted her own rape.

/mucho sarcasm

Posted by: scaramouoche at April 27, 2005 4:08 PM

Muslim leaders here have condemned the "sheik" for being too "outspoken". In other words, they don't disagree with the substance of his remarks, they simply think he was unwise to let the infidels hear about them.

Posted by: Herb K at April 27, 2005 5:55 PM

It's good that his views were commented upon by political leaders.

And it's also good that his views were broadcast on the TV program "Today Tonight".

People in Australia are picking up what these muslim clerics say, and all muslims can do is try to go into damage control.

Posted by: Voltaire at April 27, 2005 6:47 PM

"inappropriate, untrue and unhelpful..." was the comment of Federal Treasurer Peter Costello. Both "inappropriate" and that ludicrous "unhelpful" are as inadequate as that description Bertrand Russell once offered of Hitler as a "scoundrel." They will not do.

Far better was the response of the NSW Opposition leader, Mr. Brogden, who said "This guy ought to go back to the cave where he belongs." That is the language that is true, appropriate, and helpful.

Posted by: Hugh at April 27, 2005 7:43 PM

Yes Hugh, get those guys with their hatefull ideology back to their caves. But helas, it will not happen, even if they do not apologize, as long as politicians will explain that in fact they did.

Posted by: Ernst at April 27, 2005 8:05 PM

Peace be upon you all.

As an Australian Muslim woman, I was absolutely disgusted by that vile man's comments. Not only should he be condemned for making such comments but I completely agree that criminal charges are justified should such comments incite feeble-minded people to act upon them.

He in no way represents my views or the views of my community and religion. We are appalled and in no way agree. I would be horrified if people used such logic to justify raping any of my friends who come from various races, religions and cultures and dress in whatever way they choose. Australia is a free country and I am proud to call it my home.

With this said, I do not appreciate that this website, in turn incites hatred of Muslims merely because a small percentage of people who call themselves Muslims say and do foolish things. Not in my name I say! So stop bundling all Muslims into your narrowly construed categories and realize that each follower of Islam is as unique as each Christian, Jew or any other human being. We are not one and the same so stop unintelligently viewing us as such.

Be well and go in peace (Salam)

Posted by: AussieMuslim at April 27, 2005 8:38 PM

AussieMuslim:

This website does nothing to "incite hatred of Muslims." Robert, Hugh and the rest are only here to inform the public about what that "small percentage of people who call themselves Muslims" are up to.

If you are truly concerned about preventing such "hatred," your energy would be better spent trying to convince your fellow Muslims to act like civilized people.

We do agree on one thing, though: Launching an unproked attack on the most powerful nation the world has ever seen was definitely "foolish."

Posted by: lobo91 at April 27, 2005 9:03 PM

"a small percentage of people who call themselves Muslims say and do foolish things."
--from a posting above.

"Foolish things" hardly describes the acts of terror, the acts of violence and intimidation, the systematic lying about what is contained in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira (where Muhammad, uswa hasana, offers an example quite different from that of, for example, Jesus), of campaigns of Dawa deliberately aimed at vulnerable populations (prisoners, schoolchildren, immigrant communities that may feel marginalized), of apologetics and gobbledybook that rely on Taqiyya and Tu Quoque.

This business of the "vast majority of Muslims" don't accept it -- how do you know? On the basis of what evidence do you presume to suggest that the vast majority of Muslims do not accept the doctrines of hostility toward Infidels that are inculcated everywhere in Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira? Quite the opposite conclusion can be drawn from the delight expressed everywhere in dar al-Islam after the news of 9/11 got out, from the example after example of hysterical behavior toward non-Muslims in Sudan, Nigeria, Egypt, Algeria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Indonesia. There is just too much evidence that goes the other way.

And there is the evidence of the "defectors" from Islam, whose numbers swell with each passing day -- whose articulate work of analysis can be found at such websites as www.secularislam.org and www.faithfreedom.org, and hundreds of others -- Iranians, Pakistanis, Malays, Bengalis, Berbers, Kurds, even a few Arabs (who, because Islam is considered "an Arab gift" to the world, and which is a vehicle of Arab supremacist ideology, is hard for Arab Muslims to leave, and indeed Christian Arabs sometimes show a loyalty to Islam that, for example, dissenting Pakistani or Iranian Muslims do not).

No "hatred for Muslims" is a feature of those associated with this website. There is simply a refusal to accept the nonsense and lies, and a willingness to study the teachings of Islam, and the history of Jihad-conquest and of subjugation of non-Muslims, treated as dhimmis.

And then the problem of what to do about the Muslim world-view, and those Muslims who may not, for all sorts of reasons, not fully share that view, but who cannot be easily distinguished from those who do, or who may themselves become more fervent in their faith, even fanatical, for all sorts of also hard-to-perceive reasons, leaves Infidels with the problem of properly defending themselves, their civilization, their understandings, their manners and morals and political and social arrangements. They are under no obligation to modify their own societies for the sake of Muslims. Quite the contrary.

Posted by: Hugh at April 27, 2005 9:23 PM

I admit I may have over-stated my conclusion regarding the "vast majority" of Muslims but certainly many who know and understand their faith recognize the beauty of the religion and its rational nature. They recognize that Islam and its Quranic injunctions are to be taken in its entirety and not dissected to justify means prohibited by Islam.

Those who seemingly rejoiced at the acts of violence committed on 9/11 may not have done so purely on the basis of an affiliation with the faith of those who attacked. Please note that many do not even know what is in the Quran, let alone have read it with meaning, in its entirety. It is thus certainly plausible, if not probably, that their joy came from a realization that the “most powerful nation in the world” is also weak. A nation who is currently reaping the resources of these countries while subjugating them into abject poverty through extremely oppressive debt schemes.

You speak of a history of violence that apparently is inherently an aspect of the Islamic faith. Yet, while I in no way condemning Christianity, believing Jesus is as much my Messiah as that of any Christian, I do condemn the actions of those who began the Crusades, who colonized in the name of bringing Christianity to the so-called barbarian world and who are now, under the guise of the War on Terror campaign, kill the innocent once more. This is not an issue of religion, it is of politics and greed and disillusionment. Once we recognize that we can move on.

A few other points, for you have mentioned much in your message:
1. Regarding campaigns of Dawa aimed at vulnerable populations – evangelical Christians do the same – neither is something I advocate
2. Regarding ‘defectors’ from Islam – simultaneously note that Islam is currently the fastest growing religion in the world with hundreds converting daily, particularly in the US. The coin falls both ways.

I am sorry for the perception you have on Islam but the facts are facts, anything you take piecemeal will give you a distorted view. Please understand that there is a distinction between a religion and those who purport to be its followers.

I apologize if I have offended anyone in this message or my previous message. I will not be responding after this given law school exams fast approach. Peace be upon you all.

Posted by: AussieMuslim at April 27, 2005 10:35 PM

DEPORT THIS PREHISTORIC BACK TO HIS CAVE IN THE THIRD WORLD PRONTO !! We don't want these 'holy men' offended, eh...So they can go back to looking at black tents and raping unfortunate camels and goats instead.

Posted by: Morgane at April 27, 2005 10:40 PM

Islam's real views on Women:

WOMEN IN ISLAM:

Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to BEAT THEM, but not severely. If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. TREAT WOMEN WELL FOR THEY ARE LIKE DOMESTIC ANIMALS and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”
Tabari I:280 “Allah said, ‘It is My obligation to make Eve bleed once every month as she made this tree bleed. I MUST ALSO MAKE EVE STUPID although I created her intelligent.’ BECAUSE ALLAH AFLLICTED EVE, ALL OF THE WOMEN OF THIS WORLD MENSTRUATE AND ARE STUPID"
Qur’an 4:3 “If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice who seem good to you, two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to do justice (to so many), then only one, or (a slave) that you possess, that will be more suitable. And give the women their dower as a free gift; but if they, of their own good pleasure, remit any part of it to you, eat it with enjoyment, take it with right good cheer and absorb it (in your wealth).”
Qur’an 4:11 “Allah directs you in regard of your Children’s (INHERITANCE): TO THE MALE A PORTION EQUAL TO THAT OF TWO FEMALES. These are settled PORTIONS ORDAINED BY ALLAH.”
Bukhari:V1B22N28 “THE PROPHET SAID: ‘I was shown the HELL FIRE AND THE MAJORITY OF ITS DWELLERS WERE WOMEN WHO ARE DISBELIEVERS OR UNGRATEFUL.'When asked what they were ungrateful for, the Prophet answered, ‘All the favors done for them by their husbands.’”
Muslim:B1N142 “‘O WOMENFOLK, you should ask for forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the DWELLERS OF HELL.’ A wise lady said: Why is it, Allah’s Apostle, that women comprise the bulk of the inhabitants of Hell? THE PROPHET OBSERVED: ‘You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. YOU LACK COMMON SENSE, FAIL IN RELIGION AND ROB THE WISDOM OF THE WISE.’ Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense? The Prophet replied, ‘Your lack of common sense can be determined from the fact that the evidence of two women is equal to one man. That is a proof.’”
QUR'AN 4:43 “Believers, approach not prayers with a mind befogged or intoxicated until you understand what you utter. Nor when you are polluted, until after you have bathed. If you are ill, or on a journey, or come from answering the call of nature, OR YOU HAVE TOUCHED A WOMEN, and you find no water, then take for yourselves clean dirt, and rub your faces and hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving.” [THE QUR'AN CLAIMS WOMEN ARE UNCLEAN AND POLLUTED-WORSE THAN DIRT.]
Bukhari:V4B55N547 “The Prophet said, ‘But for the Israelis, meat would not decay, and if it were not for Eve, wives would never betray their husbands.’”
Qur’an 33:59 “Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better.”
Qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”
Bukhari:V4B52N143/V5B59N523 “When we reached Khaybar, Muhammad said that Allah had enabled him to conquer them. It was then that the beauty of Safiyah was described to him. Her husband had been killed, so Allah’s Apostle selected her for himself. He took her along with him till we reached a place called Sad where her menses were over and he took her for his wife, consummating his marriage to her, and forcing her to wear the veil.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N524 “The Muslims said among themselves, ‘WILL SAFIYAH BE ONE OF THE PROPHET'S WIVES OR JUST A LADY CAPTIVE AND ONE OF HIS POSSESSIONS?’”
Ishaq:593 “From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.”
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘THIS IS BECAUSE OF THE DEFICIENCY OF A WOMAN’S MIND.’”
Ishaq:584 “TELL THE MEN WITH YOU WHO HAVE WIVES: NEVER TRUST A WOMAN.”
Ishaq:185 “In hell I saw women hanging by their breasts. They had fathered bastards.”
Qur’an 24:31 “Say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty except what (must) appear; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display them except to their husbands...”
QUR'AN 24:34 “FORCE NOT YOUR SLAVE-GIRLS TO WHOREDOME(PROSTITUTION)IF THEY DESIRE CHASTITY, THAT YOU MAY SEEK ENJOYMENT OF THIS LIFE. [AND HERE'S THE FREEDOM-TO-PIMP CARD:] BUT IF ANYONE FORCES THEM, THEN AFTER SUCH COMPULSION, ALLAH IS OFT-FORGIVING.”
Ishaq:469 “The Apostle said, ‘Every wailing woman lies except those who wept for Sa’d.’”
Tabari VIII:62/Ishaq:496 “Ali [Muhammad’s adopted son, son-in-law, and future Caliph] said, ‘PROPHET, WOMEN ARE PLENTIFUL. YOU CAN GET A REPLACEMENT, EASILY CHANGING ONE FOR ANOTHER.’”
Ishaq:496 “Ask the slave girl; she will tell you the truth.’ SO THE APOSTLE CALLED BURAYRA TO ASK HER. ALI GOT UP AND GAVE HER A VIOLENT BEATING FIRST, saying, ‘Tell the Apostle the truth.’”
Qur’an 24:1 “(This is) a surah which We have revealed and made obligatory and in which We have revealed clear communications that you may be mindful. For the woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah. And let a party of the Believers witness their punishment.” Qur’an 24:6 “And for those who launch a charge against their wives, accusing them, but have no witnesses or evidence, except themselves; let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies, (swearing four times) by Allah that he is the one speaking the truth.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

http://www.prophetofdoom.us/quotes5.html#women

Islam treats women abominably!

Posted by: Freedom1 at April 27, 2005 10:46 PM

AussieMuslim- Encourage your fellow Muslims to give up Jihad, Sharia, and all the rest that is violent and oppressive. When and if this happens we will have a positive view of Islam. I'm not holding my breath for there's a snowball's chance in Hell that this will happen.

Da'wa and Christian proseltyzation should be done in the private not the public sphere, especially not in public schools!!!!

Posted by: epg at April 27, 2005 10:47 PM

I am shocked and appalled at the lengths that satan goes to in the form of human beings with names such as Freedom1 in concocting complete rubbish in an effort to discredit Islam. No one in their right senses would believe a word of this concoction, and why would people especially women be so attracted to Islam if it treated women like that. A decent post of AussieMuslim is being returned with such filth! Freedom1 enjoy your freedom for nothing lasts forever!

Posted by: observer at April 27, 2005 11:28 PM

Those quotes on women in Islam are accurate and true-straight from the Qur'an and the Ahadith. Verify them for yourself.

It's nice to know you consider Islam to be "filth".

There are many more such Islamic quotes here:

http://answering-islam.org.uk/

Verify them for yourself.

P.S.-Don't threaten me again or I will call the police.

Posted by: Freedom1 at April 27, 2005 11:46 PM

Here are more quotes on Women in Islam from the Qur'an:

Women
2:223 Your women are a tilt for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilt as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad)

2:228, And women shall have rights similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable; but men have a degree (of advantage) over them

2:230, So if a husband divorces his wife (irrevocably), He cannot, after that, re-marry her until after she has married another husband and He has divorced her

2:282, and get two witnesses, out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her.

4:3, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

4:11-12, Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children’s (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females:

4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.

4:34, Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.

33:50
O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

53:27, Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.

66:10, Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: “Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!”

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33:

Narrated Usama bin Zaid:

The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 31:

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:

Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse."

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 122:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "If a woman spends the night deserting her husband's bed (does not sleep with him), then the angels send their curses on her till she comes back (to her husband)."

Volume 4, Book 54, Number 460:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "If a husband calls his wife to his bed (i.e. to have sexual relation) and she refuses and causes him to sleep in anger, the angels will curse her till morning."

Volume 2, Book 18, Number 161:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abbas:

The sun eclipsed in the life-time of the Prophet (p.b.u.h) . Allah's Apostle offered the eclipse prayer and stood for a long period equal to the period in which one could recite Surat-al-Baqara. Then he bowed for a long time and then stood up for a long period which was shorter than that of the first standing, then bowed again for a long time but for a shorter period than the first; then he prostrated twice and then stood up for a long period which was shorter than that of the first standing; then he bowed for a long time which was shorter than the previous one, and then he raised his head and stood up for a long period which was shorter than the first standing, then he bowed for a long time which was shorter than the first bowing, and then prostrated (twice) and finished the prayer. By then, the sun (eclipse) had cleared. The Prophet then said, "The sun and the moon are two of the signs of Allah. They eclipse neither because of the death of somebody nor because of his life (i.e. birth). So when you see them, remember Allah." The people say, "O Allah's Apostle! We saw you taking something from your place and then we saw you retreating." The Prophet replied, "I saw Paradise and stretched my hands towards a bunch (of its fruits) and had I taken it, you would have eaten from it as long as the world remains. I also saw the Hell-fire and I had never seen such a horrible sight. I saw that most of the inhabitants were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! Why is it so?" The Prophet replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was asked whether they are ungrateful to Allah. The Prophet said, "They are ungrateful to their companions of life (husbands) and ungrateful to good deeds. If you are benevolent to one of them throughout the life and if she sees anything (undesirable) in you, she will say, 'I have never had any good from you.' "

Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

It is forbidden for a woman to be seen by any man except her husband when she is made up or well-dressed. (TR. P 430)

3. A woman is not a believer if she undertakes a journey which may last three days or longer, unless she is accompanied by her husband, son, father or brother. (TR. P 431 )

4. A woman must veil herself even in the presence of her husband's father, brother and other male relations. (TR. P 432)

5. She is forbidden to spend any money without the permission of her husband, and it includes giving food to the needy or feast to friends. (TR. P 265)

6. A wife is forbidden to perform extra prayers (NAFAL) or observe fasting (other than RAMADAN) without the permission of her husband. (TR. P 300)

7. If prostration were a legitimate act other than to God, woman should have prostrated to her husband. (TR. P 428)

8. If a man is in a mood to have sexual intercourse woman must come immediately even if she is baking bread at a communal oven. (TR. P 428) 9. The marriage of woman to her man is not substantive. It is precarious. For example if the father of the husband orders his son to divorce his wife, he must do so. (TR. P 440)

11. Majority of women would go to hell. (Muslim P 1431)

12. If a woman refuses to come to bed when invited by her husband, she becomes the target of the curses of angles. Exactly the same happens if she deserts her husband's bed. (Bokhari P 93)

13. The women who are ungrateful to their men, are the denizens of hell; it is an act of ingratitude for a woman to say: "I have never seen any good from you." (Bokhari P 96)

14. A woman in many ways is deprived of the possession of her own body. Even her milk belongs to her husband. (Bokhari P 27)

See also www.islam-qa.com

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

Posted by: Freedom1 at April 28, 2005 12:03 AM

Observer, if Freedom1 knows the tenets of your religion better than you do, then quite simply it's tough luck. Enjoy your religion, for nothing lasts forever and even chains of steel will eventually crumble.

AussieMuslim: regarding apostates from islam, what punishment is to be meted out to them? And what punishment to Christians who leave the fold? Compare and contrast.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 28, 2005 1:08 AM

Way to go, Freedom. Quote their own books to them.

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 28, 2005 1:15 AM

Here is another source we use for our quotes:

http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/Surai.htm

Posted by: Carolyn2 at April 28, 2005 1:18 AM

Satans freedom1, geoff and others your efforts to tarnish the name of Islam will only ruin you. You can burn in your jealousies until your last breath and then wait for the unimaginable fire of hell to roast you forever, but Islam will always flourish. Your suffering will never end while we rejoice. Do all that you can to change the word of the Creator, spend your entire life but you that have emerged from the loathsome despicable fluid will be consigned to ruin and perdition while the truth of Islam will shine forever! Write what you may I have better things to do than respond to satans. Go on write more rubbish. GOOOOOOOD BYEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: locksatan at April 28, 2005 1:53 AM

Locksatan - what a fool you are.

Nobody needs to tarnish the good name of Islam (that phrase in itself is an oxymoron).

Islam does quite a good job of tarnishing its own name.

Posted by: DianaC at April 28, 2005 2:41 AM

Well, as AussieMuslim said: Please note that many do not even know what is in the Quran, let alone have read it with meaning, in its entirety. This was subsequently proven by comments by observer who obviously didn't recognize the "filth" in his/her own religion's holy book. Try doing a bit more observing, observer, instead of blindly swallowing and believing fairy tales. Yeah, why on earth would women be attracted to Islam, given what this "prophet" who never prophesied anything says about women? Obviously, coz they're kept in the dark like you, and fed a lot of crap, like mushrooms.

Posted by: feralee at April 28, 2005 3:47 AM

test

Posted by: Terminator at April 28, 2005 4:04 AM

test

Posted by: Terminator at April 28, 2005 4:04 AM

Aussiemuslim: As a female, what's in it for you? Do you wanna go along to Mohammeds bordello and watch your husband do 72 virgins and 24 boys day-in, day-out? Sorry to burst your bubble... just think about it!

locksata: yes, I admit I am envious: I would join you for the 72 virgins, never mind the 24 boys, they can give me foot massage and do my toe-nails...

I just don't like the suicide part, blowing myself up among other people, cutting off heads etc., but by all means: Go for it!Go with Allah and stay ignorant and stupid!

Posted by: Terminator at April 28, 2005 6:32 AM

AussieMuslim

You have shown yourself to be a living affirmation of every point Hugh made in his post. Note the employment of leftist rhetoric of 'economic exploitation' to explain the disgusting blood lust of those celebrating 9/11, when in fact it was pure unordained ejaculation of joy at the sight of Jihadi's killing Kaffir.

An artful, but blatant taqqiya artist, you are transparent.

Tell me, do you believe that Australia would be a better place if it was to be ruled under sharia law and were to become a Muslim country? I want to know, because then I will be able to gauge your true feelings.

Plurality, tolerance, joy, life, art, music, freedom....all of these things are capable under liberal western democracy, and the opposite of what can be attained under Islam.

And do read your own Koran and Hadith for proof, read the quotations posted here to show why Islam is fairly represented by the 'Rape Sheikh' from Down Under.

Posted by: Zico at April 28, 2005 7:10 AM

locksata

You are a text book example of the medieval psychopathy that Islam inculcates in its followers. It would be frightening if it were not so hilarious and pathetic to see idiots like you foaming such nonsense at the mouth in the year 2005. You belong in the stone age, with your troglodyte mentality and moronic apocalyptic self delusion.

Anyway, after the initial comedy of your rant passes, it is clear that such vehemence does indicate several inadequacies and inferiorities of a deep rooted, almost ineradicable nature. This is also connected to the Rape Sheikh's own pathology. Islam has a culture in which the dynamics and processes of rape are deeply imbedded, included in its morbid vengeful and deeply sexualised rhetoric of Jihad.

Islam = Submission

Rapists make the victim submit too.

Join the dots, everyone...

Posted by: Zico at April 28, 2005 7:16 AM

Yes "Aussie" Muslim Woman, us poor suffering citizens of Sydney know what your community is really like in this city. You're all thugs and your anti-Western rant really does give you all away.

The USA has got its problems, but I wish to ask something... if you hate the USA so much why do your violent and hostile co-religionists all want to live in Australia? Australia always supports the US military, Australia always votes with the USA for Israel in the UN, Australia is also a predominantly Anglo Saxon Christian Capitalist culture with a British colonial background. In many ways Australia is but a small America (albeit without the guns, pollution, national debt, and with universal health care). I notice that as a community you "Aussie" (Aussie when it suits you) Muslims always slam America, nevertheless by this measure your antipathy towards Australia can not be far behind. As an Australian, I also dislike your community’s attacks on our Jews. The first governor of NSW and this country’s finest general were both Jewish – how dare you!!

I would like to write a lengthy reply to your comments but I must go and pick up my wife from a local train station. It's dark and the Middle Eastern taxi drivers that hang around there shout rude remarks at her when she walks home alone. After all, their religious leaders are actively encouraging them to rape women in non Muslim attire, so I can't be too careful these days.

I hate all Muslims and I think Australian crime and unemployment would drop by at least 80% if all of you wicked people were kicked out tomorrow. Your religion is set apart from all other faiths by its pure backwardness and barbarism. You complain about the crusades - the Muslims attacked Europe first!!!! What about Spain, Portugal and Sicily??? You forget these "small" details. You people always talk about the crusades because your culture is stuck in the Middle Ages. For you the crusades might have happened 50 years ago, such is your progress.

You are not Australian. You are an enemy of the state who should be arrested and deported immediately.

I spit on your false greetings and crocodile tears.

Posted by: Timbo at April 28, 2005 8:09 AM

Right on! Piss on the trolls!

My dear 'Aussie Muslim': The US, or any other western country 'is not subjecting any of 'your' countries to 'abject poverty'- Islam does that. The teachings of your miserable & deranged prophet does that.

The Saudis wasted 60 billion dollars so far to build mosques and madrassahs around the world, to supply Islamic fanatics with weapons, and to reward suicide bombers...

Meanwhile, 'your' country, Australia, (where you don't deserve to be) has raised one billion (!) dollars for tsunami victims, the Saudis came up with a paltry 10 million!

All of you, with few exceptions are ignorant, half educated morons and zealots waiting to kill 'infidels and jews'- and all we are doing is trying to prevent that from happening. Bali, Beslan, 9/11, Madrid, Moskau, (too many!!)

that's all we need to know about your rotten 'religion'- which is nothing but a blood-cult and more dangerous than hydrophobia in a dog.

Posted by Terminator at April 28, 2005 03:20 AM

Posted by: Terminator at April 28, 2005 8:20 AM

To quote Geoff, Locksatan's and AussieMuslim's grandchildren will be secular.

Posted by: waterdragon52 at April 28, 2005 8:41 AM

"This guy ought to go back to the cave where he belongs."

Posted by: Hulegu Khan at April 28, 2005 8:54 AM

Locksatan,

Diana's quite right - we need do nothing save expose islam for what it is: mental slavery, as the word itself indicates. You may write and whine about it, but ultimately your efforts will be for naught. More and more people are leaving islam every day; in the West and even in the east, and most especially in their hearts. I see it all the time, and I've personally helped several people to convert away from islam. The triumphalism is failing; the world is waking up.

I don't do "all that I can to change the word of the Creator", I merely reflect the words of YOUR creator back at you. I have no problem with the Christian or Jewish Creator, merely yours.

And where is he, this voice-through-dogbodies that supposedly sends his message through a man prone to epileptic fits? Did Mohammed go back to the mountain for his updates, or did they now for some reason come direct to him? Odd. The old legends of the Nephilim, the earthfallen angels - ancient adversaries of mankind - are often referred to as being at their most puissant in the mountains. What an interesting coincidence.

However, I will do as you say and continue the dissolvement of islam. I'm glad you approve. I'm such a naughty Satan! LOL

The caravan will roll on and on...an empty caravan, rolling into an empty desert, mindlessly pulled by beasts of burden.

Geoff

The Horned One

PS: Timbo, that really goes on??? I can see why you're pissed, mate. Call the fucking cops. Unbelievable. That's islamic respect for women, all right - yeah, yeah, really EQUAL and all. Are these then the tactics of the great caravan? Any peaceful muslims out there want to comment on this? Idiots.

Harass women, intimidate children. So this is what islam is about then - terrorism at all levels: physical, mental, emotional (the latter being saved for loved ones, like wayward islamic daughters that date students of evolutionary biology, for instance). I'm not a violent person, but I can honestly tell you I'd be seriously considering it in your case - just hang in there mate. The fucking cowards. Cowards all.

Posted by: Geoff at April 28, 2005 9:12 AM

Hi - the Dark One here. Look, I don't know about all this Satan talk, how one person or another is a "Satan", or a country is a "Great Satan" - frankly, I'm getting a little annoyed from all the copyright infringement. So - cut it out. That's an order from me to everyone using those terms. That means YOU, "locksatan". That's an ORDER.

Sincerely,

Satan

PS: Locksatan, your grandfather says to say hi.

Posted by: rrv94z at April 28, 2005 10:40 PM

Geoff, yeah, check this out:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Shots-fired-to-teach-police-court-told/2005/04/27/1114462103548.html?oneclick=true

Posted by: Timbo at April 29, 2005 1:50 AM

So! according to this pagan priest women unless dressed in a black tent looking out through what seems to be a birdcage are inviting rape - by "good?" pagan moslem "men??"
By the same rules could the poor pagan moslem women be seen as responsible for their treatment and standing in the pagan moslem ranks? If they had the common sense and courage they would leave such a brutal women hating pagan religion. numbat

Posted by: numbat at April 29, 2005 1:57 AM

So! according to this pagan priest women unless dressed in a black tent looking out through what seems to be a birdcage are inviting rape - by "good?" pagan moslem "men??"
By the same rules could the poor pagan moslem women be seen as responsible for their treatment and standing in the pagan moslem ranks? If they had the common sense and courage they would leave such a brutal women hating pagan religion. numbat

Posted by: numbat at April 29, 2005 1:57 AM

So! according to this pagan priest women unless dressed in a black tent looking out through what seems to be a birdcage are inviting rape - by "good" pagan moslem "men??"
By the same rules could the poor pagan moslem women be seen as responsible for their treatment and standing in the pagan moslem ranks? If they had the common sense and courage they would leave such a brutal women hating pagan religion. numbat

Posted by: numbat at April 29, 2005 1:57 AM

I read the link Timbo - it's despicable beyond belief.

This is the tolerance and acceptance of islam.

Geoff

Posted by: Geoff at April 29, 2005 2:29 PM