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An in-depth story from the BBC, "Killed for the family's honour"
There is growing concern among Palestinian human rights workers after the killings of at least six young women in recent months. The murders are described in some quarters as "honour killings". The victims are usually accused of behaving improperly and bringing shame upon their families. Orla Guerin has been piecing together some of the victims' stories.She was last seen at half past two on a Saturday afternoon looking down from a window in her family's apartment.
They live on a main road, in a building that houses an ice-cream shop. Outside a religious procession was making its way through the streets...
Less than two hours later, she was dead - her skull crushed - reportedly by blows from an iron bar.
Her name was Faten. She was 22-years-old, a Palestinian Christian from the West Bank city of Ramallah.
After her lifeless body was found, her father and an aunt were taken into custody...
Forty-eight hours later, and a half an hour's drive away, two sisters were killed - this time in a Muslim home.
Police believe this was another so-called honour killing. The victims were a 20-year-old called Amani and her older sister Rodina, who was 27.
Both were married and both had apparently been strangled. A third sister was attacked but survived, and she is now in hospital...
Read it all.
Posted by Rebecca at May 8, 2005 8:11 AM
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'Honor' killings?
I don't see any honor anywhere in this killing spree. Where're our vocal feminists and even louder human rights crusaders just when we need them?!
This honor killing fetish is not limited only to moslem socities but is mostly found there only in the XXIst century. Forget palestine, I've seen reports of this scourge emerge in Western Europe - in the UK of all places.
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at May 8, 2005 9:06 AM
Surprising to see that Orla Goering doesn't blame the Israelis for the problem... These excuses for men don't have anything else apart from what they consider their "honour". Last night they had a piece about Turkish girl during German prime time news. She had her nose cut off by her family because she went out on her own (while her "husband" - he raped her so she was forced to marry him - is in jail because he raped a young boy)!
At least stuff like that now makes the msm. Hopefully that will help us stop Turkey becoming a EU member.
Posted by: disillusionised_german at May 8, 2005 10:18 AM
The reasons for their deaths are
1)Zionist Conspiracy
2)American Conspiracy
3)Zionist-American Conspiracy
4)Lies, their really alive in a harem somewhere
5)Fort Knox not being returned to the 'rightful' muslim world
6)History books not showing that the wheel and fire were invented by muslims
7)Whitewashing of the great holocaust against muslims (????)
8)The neverending story....
When will people wake up and smell the hammous/hamas...
at May 8, 2005 10:23 AM
I think that it is interesting, to say the least, that the BBC story led with the killing of a Palestian Christian woman, Faten. It is obviously an attempt to label honor killings as a genertic cultural problem, rather than largely within the Muslim populations in the Middle East, Asia and Africa. I am not denying that honor killings do happen occasionally within families identified as non-Muslim, as in the case of the tragic Faten. The fact remains that honor killings are much more widely practiced, jutified and accepted in Islamic communities, a truth that BBC doesn't want to acknowledge. The story ties in the thread of "well, everybody does it." Not so...
Posted by: maryrose at May 8, 2005 11:37 AM
A friend's brother is in the Metropolitan Police.
He reckons that the number of 'honour killings' that come to light are only the tip of the iceberg here in England.
at May 8, 2005 11:57 AM
OH shame of shames! AT LEAST Six women discovered killed in recent months in the pal territories!
How can this be amongst these peace loving victims of Israeli oppression. Orla Guerin is obviously ASTOUNDED at the news!
HAve they been kidnapped by mossad agents perhaps? No it appears not.
Some quarters describe the murders as "Honour Killimgs" we are told. Obviously this is not BBC terminology along the with the word terrorism and others.
Orla who has a talisman pass to the inner sanctums of most terrorist (sorry militant) groups .
orla discovers that one of the victims was spotted by someone from a "religious procession" passing below.
WOW! was this a palestinian Christian procession? Orla does not say .
She was beaten to death for loking out of a window? Gee those unknown religions are strict!
You would'nt want to be chewing gum too!
Faten had fallen in love we learn with Samer from Jericho ( Do we have another hollywood blockbuster here?). The whole thing is extremely sad - they"ll have to change the ending somehow and Orla really should stick to reporting the good news from her beloved pals, like the wonderful martyrdom operations of the Al aqsa brigades on behalf of the persecuted Pals against the ZIO NAZI entity.
But DAme Orla's investigative skills go indeed further! She tells us what none of us knew- that
"in male-dominated conservative Palestinian society, if a man commits an honour killing he may get off scot-free. I wonder if hANAn ashwari is aware of what these palestinian christian are up to?
Yes we were right "Honour killings" are commited by CHRISTIANS! As Oral discovers thorugh her briliant sleuthing.
"Back in Ramallah, Faten lies buried in the CHRISTIAN CEMETARY, in a rough grave, without even a headstone. Her father was released from jail for two hours to attend her funeral"
THANK you Orla for being politacally correct and not revealing until the end the obvious- that these killings are the work of Christians
at May 8, 2005 12:21 PM
Maryrose
I suggest this girl was buried in a Christian Cemetary because she would have been deemed unworthy of burial in a Muslim one.
at May 8, 2005 12:26 PM
Oh, thats right...honor/killing. An oxymoron or just a moron...
at May 8, 2005 1:21 PM
Fear and repulsion at female sexual power is a recurring theme in the Qur'an and hadiths; hence, the obsession with menstruation, prayer, and what is 'clean' and 'unclean', restrictions and rules on modes of dress for women, the blatant male voice of the Qur'an, Sura 4 and a variety of demeaning rules and commentary, etc. What must these innumerable rules and ideas do to minds that are taught not to question in the slightest their authority?
Obey Allah and the prophet! (in the male voice)
And if you do not? Brutality.
Posted by: JTF at May 8, 2005 5:32 PM
To me, this story seems unbelievable--at least without some verification and explanations. To me it seems as though Muslims again want to paint the honor killing problem in the Mideast as being a pan-Arab, pre-Islamic tribal custom rather than as being a mostly Muslim-specific problem.
This article (see excerpts below) says that of the three honor killings last week near Jerusalem, plus one attempted honor killing where the woman survived, that one was a Christian girl from a Christian family. O, really? With Christians being only one percent or less of the West Bank population, what are the chances of one out of four honor killings/attempted honor killings involving a Christian?
The details just don't make sense either. It says the Christian girl tried to elope with a Muslim man, but was sent back to her Christian parents. What are the chances that Muslims would ever send a runaway Christian girlfriend or fiancee back to her Christian parents? Then the article says the Christian parents beat the girl and broke her pelvis, and that the father is still alive and well. What are the chances that a father would survive in a Muslim society after beating his daughter for trying to marry a Muslim? Then it says that the girl appealed to a Bedouin tribe for protection, which seems quite far fetched. The Bedouins sent her back to her family. Why? Then it says the father killed the daughter, AND he's still alive and well and they let him out of jail to go to the funeral even though the girl was under the protection of a Bedouin Muslim tribe. By that point, the daughter surely would have been considered a Muslim, and what are the chances that the father would be alive after killing his Muslim daughter? The daughter is buried in a Christian cemetery, too. Why would Muslims allow someone who was killed for trying to marry a Muslim be buried in a Christian cemetery, especially since they would have seen her as having converted to Islam?
Inquiring minds want to know!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4522465.stm
Excerpt: Her name was Faten. She was 22-years-old, a Palestinian Christian from the West Bank city of Ramallah. [snip] Faten had fallen in love with a young man called Samer, a Muslim, from Jericho. Her family disapproved of her choice. In the last desperate weeks of her life, Faten knew a death sentence was hanging over her head, and she tried hard to escape it. She attempted to elope, but did not get far and was sent home, to face the wrath of her relatives. [snip] Faten decided to use an ancient formula for resolving disputes, known in Arabic as "Tanebeh". The idea is that a woman in distress can appeal to a powerful tribe. Faten approached a Bedouin tribe in Jericho, who took her in. They asked her father to promise she would not be harmed. After he gave his word, she was returned home. Within days, she was dead. The governor is greatly troubled by her killing. It was he who looked up from the procession, and saw her face in the window. [snip] Back in Ramallah, Faten lies buried in the Christian cemetery, in a rough grave, without even a headstone. Her father was released from jail for two hours to attend her funeral.
Posted by: markjames at May 8, 2005 5:43 PM
In the west we regard killing itself to be dishonourable. Therefore among westerners, the concept of "honour killing" does not exist since it is a contradiction in terns.
When will muslims evolve to the same level as ourselves?
Posted by: Voltaire at May 8, 2005 7:49 PM
The point of this article is that it is yet another example of the blatant use of the BBC (with full approval, I suspect) to further the aims of Orla Guerrin's pro Islamic agendas.
This article would never have been written if it had to focus on Islamic honor killings, but by suggesting in a "read between the lines" fashion that it was committed by Palestinian Christians it will suggest to naive readers that Honor killings are committed by Christians and ,dare i suggest, are a polluting influence on peaceful Islam.
I can imagine Hanan Ashwari sitting with Arafat in a morning meeting in Ramallah and being asked to reinforced this with respect to the western press.
"And what do you offer in return Chairman Arafat?"
" I will ask Suha and Raymunda to lay off the accusations of the Israelis poisoning our drinking water to sterilize Palestinian women and the rumours that Palestinian Christians are exploiting Muslims in Bethlehem"
" Very well, I will get on to my BBC contacts right away and do not worry it will not cost you one dollar. It will be paid for by the British taxpayer"
at May 8, 2005 8:35 PM
When Van Gogh had his throat cut in Amsterdam some people put up a sign: " Thou shalt not kill"...
This sign was later taken down because it was "offensive to Muslims"-.....
@#$%*
at May 9, 2005 11:00 AM
Years ago, Orla Guerin was the BBC correspondent from Italy. Italians never expect much from foreign correspondents, but she was so fantastically bad, ignorant, arrogant, uncomprehending, that I personally sighed a sigh of relief when she was shuffled away. Being a classic careerist and pole-climber, she eventually had herself posted to the Middle East, which, in terms of career, was a big promotion. Now you can see why I regarded her as such a blight.
Posted by: Paolo at May 11, 2005 4:03 PM
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